there is a good news guys, opera has passed acid2 test

http://weblog.timaltman.com/node/832

i guess it is the first one in windows,
that is one more why opera is better

Nice to see the browser wars continuing full force.

Browser wars always fun. But as long as FF exists, people can use whatever they like, i'll stick to FF. And as a web developer i'm strongly looking forward to IE7 coming out this year, im running the IE7 beta and it finally can render all my CSS designs as intended (as they have been in FF for a long time). Since IE is the most popular browser, this will relieve thousands of web developers out there, soon we will be able to produce nice code without all the extra hacks to get it to work in IE6's crappy CSS implementation

Sorry if this was a bit off topic

i think with ie7 M$ will regain the market share it lost to FF.

Been using Spoofstick extension with Firefox for quite a while now, anti-phishing is not new for Firefox.

What is new is having it included by default.

...just like the article said. I assume you read it...

I guess Firefox will try and take credit for inventing this too. Get the facts:

www.firefoxmyths.com

haha yeah whatever

they may get the antiphishing out before IE7 though.

That's just sad. Poor you, living in a world surrounded by people who use a different web browser than yours.

An insightful and refreshingly honest site, I'll give you that... I just read it along with all of his sources, and I do tend to agree.

That being said, it still hasn't changed my mind to continue using Firefox until a better experience comes along. It suits my needs quite well.

Well thats good, I am glad firefox found something new to put in their browser. I really don't know what they can do to improve it much more. I mean with extensions, why do you need anything else? I think they should concentrate on fixing the bugs, making the browser perform better and improve on the features they already implemented. By adding more to it they are going to turn it into the netscape version that died. the 17 mb download that included the kitchen sink, bathtub and washer and dryer.

Mozilla needs to enable all options available in Firefox instead of hiding them. And stop releasing those hidden options as extensions. I really hate to download different "extensions" to get the option that I need enabled.

Does anyone see the fine print in this?

At the risk of sounding like ServerMechanic, here I go:

With Google's anti-phishing filter enabled by default, Google will have all FF users' browsing history. Every single page request in FF will be sent to Google.

...

According to me in security...
Firefox=Opera > Netscape > IE

opera8.x= 13 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/4932/

firefox1.x= 27 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/4227/

internet explorer6.x= 77 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/11/

opera is the clear winner

If opera could get anywhere near as much code scrutiny as firefox gets due to being open source, it would probably have just as many known vulnerabilities. It's the ones that haven't been discovered yet that you have to worry about most.

Secunia only lists the number of ADVISORIES. You have to look through each to see the actual number of vulnerabilities.

"Since Firefox v1.x was released, users have been exposed to 72 security vulnerabilities and counting, 39 of which are rated as Highly Critical and 1 Extremely Critical."

from www.firefoxmyths.com

I have a feeling you use opera........

i use three FF,Opera and IE7.
mostly opera.

Firefox Rulz Anyway!!

opera8.x= 13 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/4932/

firefox1.x= 27 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/4227/

internet explorer6.x= 77 vulnerability till now http://secunia.com/product/11/

opera is the clear winner

If opera could get anywhere near as much code scrutiny as firefox gets due to being open source, it would probably have just as many known vulnerabilities. It's the ones that haven't been discovered yet that you have to worry about most.

IE is closed source but has lot more problems,
blaming it on being open is very easy.

let me try this(just testing what kind of reaction i will get).

Opera kicks Firefox's ass.

i have not not seen as many innovative things in last few version's of Firefox compared to opera's last few versions.

Gecko,i agree it is very good

Ok, we understand that you are an Opera fan boy. Now can you stop spamming pro Opera posts?

I'm a developer.

I can get my sites W3C Compliant and working perfectly on IE and FF. I often have to wrestle with IE by adding htc files, using CSS to redefine IE's non-standard defaults, and adding alternate javascript codes if I do choose to use Javascript.

Also, Opera shows all of it's menus (on my computer) in bold and messes up font sizes whereas FF and IE keep my fonts on my sites proportionate.) Weird Bug ... it's the only Windows app that does this for me.

Each time I've tested with Opera, there are another set of issues that I'm not willing to tackle as I view FF as rendering pages correctly, IE as stubbornly not compliant, and Opera as a 3rd party app.

I'm again downloading it because I'm fascinated with it's small code footprint, and the speed. Opera is very lightweight, which I love. That's about it.

yes ,rendering is not opera's strong point,
in that area FF i ahead of opera.

oh stupid me i just forgot to enable ad filter in the outpost

sorry

This whole article is nothing but _ADVERTISING_ for Firefox 2.0!

Several extensions to Firefox already support this feature TODAY and has been for some time. Firefox is designed to be small and fast, not bloated crap.

You install _EXTENSIONS_ to extend Firefox with new functionality, add various extensions and you will have more or less any feature you can think of.

Noone cares if Firefox 2.0 will come with same features as IE7 "out of the box" except the media, because Microsoft now are trying to hype their "anti phishing technology" as it would be some complicated innovative code, when it in reality is nothing more than a few trivial lines of code.

PS. I use Firefox myself and I love it, I'm working on two firefox extensions at the moment .

In my opinion opera has taken the lead from rest of the browsers(and i have used ff for 2 years before switching over to opera), AOL is innovative & very very good too but not for practical use.

I hope mozilla with FF 2 might be able to change that.

It has been quite some time they have come up with something cool, their focus have been mainly on security, not much have been done on the innovation side.

I foresee a ServerMechanic comment coming soon.

I think it is stupid to add something else to slow it down and eat bandwidth, when all you have to do is use .00000000001% of your brain.

no joke.

Netcraft toolbar, which is a free toolbar for IE and FireFox, will provide antiphishing abilities for your browser.
This is not to be a shameless plug for their software. I wish to point out with their software installed it just worsens ones internet experience.

The same would go for every other antiphishing technology out there as well.
I dont use FireFox, but I wouldn't make use of the technology if it were to be included with the browser I use (Opera).

I have a feeling you are right

IE7 also has antiphishing technology built-in. It is disabled by default. On the first run, it warns the user of the risks of enabling it, and asks if it should be enabled.

Mozilla makes the Mozilla Suite and Firefox and AOL has made it's own version of Mozilla Suite that has it's own addons and such.

I hope you arent saying that AOL is using Mozilla code.

AOL software uses their own proprietary code.

Netscape 8 was built using the Firefox 1.0 codebase.

AOL owns Netscape and Mozilla. Much of the code from their browser is derived from Firefox.

Doesn't mozilla make both the Netscape and Firefox browser?

Netscape 8.1 has anti-phishing.. so why doesn't Firefox? I like Netscape better..

Firefox != Netscape. I'd rather Firefox stick with the base Mozilla ideas and work. The Netscape releases are the official Mozilla code customized by AOL to fit what they want and it usually lags behind the Mozilla releases. I do _not_ want an AOL product and my experiences with Netscape 8.x have not enthuised me. I'll stay with Firefox and I'd take a Google-implemented anti-phishing method over AOL's any day of the week. Of course browser preference is subjective.

Seems to me, Firefox is the one lagging.. Netscape has had this feature for months.

I have both FF and Netscape. I find that Netscape is faster, and external tools interface better. so AOL software or not, I like it better than Firefox. I keep waiting for FF to become "stable". It has too many bugs, and its NOT compatible with lots of things I have.

Netscape works fine, AND I can toggle between IE/Mozilla on the fly, that's a cool feature.

I can toggle in firefox as well.

He means Netscape fixes security problems months after Firefox does, ala IE fashion.

Its really funny how google and firefox are teamin up, Microsoft must be kickin themselves. I would if i were Microsoft.

oh no now FireFox has antiphishing...let me go change to firefox now because my browser doesnt have it.

*rolls eyes*

i don't like fishing anyway. Oh ya'll me phishing. I'll stick with Firefox just the same Ive used them all and firefox to me is the best I still got them and use them all

Yep, you got what I meant. Anti-phishing is also something that a browser shouldn't have to do... the user should use some common sense.

AOL implements things to look good but it doesn't mean they are done well. I'm not saying Mozilla/Firefox are perfect either. I'm also not saying IE is s*** though MS has plenty to work on.

Also, in response... not to you directly... I use an extension that lets me use Firefox and IE on the fly (well, it lets me open the same page in IE if I want to... which seldom if ever happens). So... what's the difference? That isn't enough to make me tolerate Netscape just for that when Firefox is more up-to-date and solid.

Just because Firefox never added anti-phishing until "now" doesn't make AOL Netscape releases any better.

It doesn't? so if a feature isn't released until later, what, I am supposed to just wait for the update?

If this were a Microsoft flaw, you people would be screaming bloody murder. but since its Mozilla, its ok to just "delay" a fix or two.

If its not updated frequently, its not updated soon enough. Why then does AOL fix their version BEFORE the FF version?

And the difference is for rendering, some pages look better in IE. It gives the browser versatility. Otherwise, why wouldn't every just use plain old HTML.. its good enough, without all that fluff. But no everyone wants the glitz, so we have java and activex.. No big deal, with Netscape you get both.

To me, this was an oversight, or maybe there were problems with FF that they couldn't update it until now, either way, AOL's software is still better, I don't care if its AOL version or not, obviously AOL team DOESN'T release stuff later than FF, because there are lots of other features in Netscape that are STILL not in FF, and up until now, the anti-phishing is another one..

You people are living in a dream world. Google, as I have been saying for a year now, is NOT doing anything new. They are just advertising and they are they new kid on the block, like FF. They are getting attention because they are new.

Microsoft, has been working on their own search engine, they don't need Google. Yahoo does it better than ALL of them.

Microsoft has much better products than Google, so why would they care what Google does?

you are under the false impression Google is the best, they are not. The same reasons you like to think MS copies, its EXACTLY what Google is doing.. They even hire MS employees.. doesn't that strike you as interesting?

Probably not, because you could care less, but its so obvious Google is just stealing code and technology, and you people just conveniently overlook it..

I fail to see how google is just like ms, lets compare. google really does inovate, they offer their services for free. They inovate, they try to damage microsoft as much as possible. Did I mention they inovate? Did I hear you say Yahoo is better, have you actually tried google? I tried yahoo a few times and then spent the next few minutes trying to figure out why it gave me the results it did. I then had to go back, to google to get what I was searching for. That was all the experimenting I needed. I then did the same with msn, and wound up right back at google.

google is just plain doing everything right, they are a people company. They are trying to hit all the right niches, and I love them all the more for it. Also, they treat their employees right, as I recall recently Ms wasn't making enough billions so they had to cut the employees health benefits down a notch. On the other hand google was hiring a new corporate chef because their free lunches didn't have enough variety? Now that is taking care of your employees. Also if MS has the best and the brightest but can't get them to perform, I don't know maybe it's low morale, they go to google and come out with an outstanding product. I would go to google if I was a Ms employee to. How do you figure Ms has much better products? As I recall google has done everything better thus far. Gmail, maps, pictures and soon hopefully Office! I mean why do you think Live is the new highlight at Microsoft? It's the google killer! I remember not that long ago, they spent how long redoing Msn search and came up with a brief, lame marketing blitz for it. They failed miserably and meanwhile google search is up to 48 percent and MSN is at 11 percent search. Woo google Ms! I mean Go Microsoft1

www.live.com

that is innovative.

buying out companies and providing their innovative stuff in google's name is not innovative.

do no evil, my #ss

exactly what outstanding or innovative product are you talking about

Dude, live, or "Web 2.0" is a bloody gimick.

The concept has been around for years, it's nothing innovative at all, Microsoft is doing that for attention and to fool people like you into believing it's innovative when the technology has been around since php and css were first implemented.

But anyway, Opera is undeniably the most secure and feature-filled combination browser(I said combined security and features, Seamonkey doesn't fall under this) but what really gets me about Opera is that they have been developing this browser for well over a decade; AND YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THEM TO FIX RENDERING PROBLEMS. Unless of course the focus is stability and security; which Firefox flops on. No duh Firefox is more secure than IE, but not more than opera, and the memory leaks are absolutely rediculous. The only thing Firefox does better is rendering popular sites, but there are several sites that render properly on Opera that don't on Firefox, inspite of me reporting the sites as flawed with bugzilla since Firefox 1.06!

Opera should have their own bugzilla for page-rendering, that would set them above Mozilla in every aspect, because they pwn under all categories.

Opera doesn't need extensions, but it does indeed have some plugins. But with all the features it has on-board, none of it is even necessary. When I have to wait between a week and a month for an extension to work on a new FF, that's bull.

Opera is a closed project, which has proven to go quite well; their developers have a much bigger idea what they're doing that the FireFerret programmers do.

nevertheless, this IS indeed an advertisement for Firefox 2.0...

Guess what, that google search in the corner of FF, it turns out that google makes advertising money every time you use that, and Firefox gets 80% of the funding when you search with that...

Down with Firefox, up with Opera Bugzilla!

Dude, live, or "Web 2.0" is a bloody gimick.

The concept has been around for years, it's nothing innovative at all, Microsoft is doing that for attention and to fool people like you into believing it's innovative when the technology has been around since php and css were first implemented.

But anyway, Opera is undeniably the most secure and feature-filled combination browser(I said combined security and features, Seamonkey doesn't fall under this) but what really gets me about Opera is that they have been developing this browser for well over a decade; AND YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THEM TO FIX RENDERING PROBLEMS. Unless of course the focus is stability and security; which Firefox flops on. No duh Firefox is more secure than IE, but not more than opera, and the memory leaks are absolutely rediculous. The only thing Firefox does better is rendering popular sites, but there are several sites that render properly on Opera that don't on Firefox, inspite of me reporting the sites as flawed with bugzilla since Firefox 1.06!

Opera should have their own bugzilla for page-rendering, that would set them above Mozilla in every aspect, because they pwn under all categories.

Opera doesn't need extensions, but it does indeed have some plugins. But with all the features it has on-board, none of it is even necessary. When I have to wait between a week and a month for an extension to work on a new FF, that's bull.

Opera is a closed project, which has proven to go quite well; their developers have a much bigger idea what they're doing that the FireFerret programmers do.

nevertheless, this IS indeed an advertisement for Firefox 2.0...

Guess what, that google search in the corner of FF, it turns out that google makes advertising money every time you use that, and Firefox gets 80% of the funding when you search with that...

Down with Firefox, up with Opera Bugzilla!

my friend like you i love opera too, it is my default browser and i like you don't like FF as much most FF fan-boys here.

but i will have to disagree with you on "m$ being less innovative"

most of the stuff google came up with and what people have been calling "innovative" is form other companies that google bought.

2001
Feb 2001: Deja (the Usenet archive, not the company) was acquired, and was incorporated to become part of the re-launched Google Groups [2].
Sep 2001: Google acquired Outride Inc. Outride was a spin-off from Xerox (PARC). Outride.net domain name still exists, but current forwards to Google. [3].
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2003
Feb 2003: Google acquired Pyra Labs, a weblogging provider and owner of Blogger [4].
Apr 2003: Neotonic Software was acquired as part of Google's plan to bring its CRM technology in house [5].
Apr 2003: Applied Semantics was acquired for $102 Million. Applied Semanitcs was a context ad company whose acquisition by Google was integrated into Google's AdWords/AdSense programs.[6].
Sep 2003: Kaltix was a small start-up acquired to develop and launch Google Personal [7].
Oct 2003: Sprinks was acquired to enhance Google's Adwords and AdSense program [8].
Oct 2003: Google acquired Genius Labs, another web logging provider [9].
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2004
Apr 2004: Ignite Logic was acquired [10].
Jun 2004: Google made a $10M investment into partial ownership of Baidu [11].
Jul 2004: Picasa was acquired to provide picture management tools to Blogger [12].
Oct 2004: Keyhole was acquired to provide the core mapping capabilities in Google Earth [13].
Sept-Dec 2004, Google revealed in its annual 10-K filing that it had acquired 2 Silicon Valley start-up companies: ZipDash and Australian firm Where2 LLC, founded by Lars Rasmussen. The technology provided by ZipDash was used to develop and launch Google Ride Finder. Where2 provided the core mapping capabilities in Google Maps.
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2005
Mar 2005: Web analytics tools provider Urchin Software Corporation was acquired [14]. Urchin's technology was used to develop and launch Google Analytics.
May 2005: DodgeBall [15], a social networking software provider for mobile devices, was acquired [16].
Jul 2005: Google, in combination with Goldman Sachs, and the Hearst Corp., invests a total of $100 Million into Current Communications Group [17].
Jul 2005: Google announced in its Q2 quarterly conference call that it had acquired Akwan Information Technologies as a part of its plan to open an R&D office and expand its presence into Latin and South America. [18]
Jul 2005: Google acquires Canadian start-up firm Reqwireless, a Web browser and Mobile e-mail software developer for wireless devices, as a part of its initiative to develop a version of GMail for the mobile device. [19][20]
Aug 2005: Google acquires Android Inc., a software provider for mobile devices [21]

Dec 2005: Google pays $1Billion dollars to acquire a 5% stake in Time Warner's AOL division. [22]
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2006
Jan 2006: Google acquires dMarc Broadcasting, creator and operator of an automated platform that lets advertisers more easily schedule, deliver, and monitor their ads over radio, and radio broadcasters to automate schedules and advertising spots. Purchase price was for $102Million, with an additional payout of $1.136 billion over three years if certain performance targets are met. [23]
February 2006: Google acquires Measure Map, Adaptive Path product to help with Blog Analytics. Spearheaded by Jeffrey Veen
March 2006: Google acquires Writely.

source: wikipedia

you call this innovation, at least M$ make stuff on their own.

Hahahaha! You think live.com is innovation??? Easily amused, aren't you?