For 1.3 million HD DVD customers, what's next?

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

February 19, 2008, 1:30 PM

Despite the disappointing news this morning for over 1 million HD DVD player owners and another 300,000 with an HD DVD drive in their computer, they have little to worry about. Here's why.

Believe it or not, HD DVD is not obsolete

It's one thing when a technology quickly becomes obsolete for something superior. But in this case, HD DVD was the better technology in a number of respects: it offered backward compatibility with standard DVD players through its Combo discs, no region coding, and advanced features such as Internet connectivity from the start.

Although Blu-ray discs can store more data and support higher encoding rates for video and audio, they use the exact same codecs as HD DVD and side-by-side comparisons of movies have showed no real differences in quality. In addition, the Blu-ray specification is still being finalized, and Profile 2.0 players with Internet connections aren't expected to hit shelves until later this year.

In turn, there's no reason to re-purchase any movies in Blu-ray. In fact, it's likely that many titles currently available in both formats offer better features on HD DVD. For example, 300 in HD DVD lets viewers watch how the movie was made using Picture-in-Picture, while the Blu-ray version does not.

Taking advantage of low prices

HD DVD's primary draw has always been its affordability. The format was able to trump Blu-ray in standalone player sales with hardware hovering around $100 compared to over $300. Those who invested in an HD DVD player can continue to use it to playback the HD DVD movies they own and as a low-cost top-quality up-converting player for standard DVDs.

Prices will also likely fall on existing products and movies, which makes this a prime time to purchase. It may sound strange, but because all recent HD DVD releases have been Combo discs with standard DVD on one side, there is no reason to buy the regular DVD when you can get both for the same price. It might also be a good time to pick up a second HD DVD player for another room when prices drop well below $100.

There's absolutely no risk in buying Combo discs since they function exactly like the standard DVD, especially as prices fall.

Support will continue

Although HD DVD is being discontinued, Toshiba isn't going anywhere. The company says it will continue to provide full product support and after-sales service for all customers. Of course, the concern will be longer term for those who invested in a library of HD DVD movies, but that's where China comes in.

China could fill the HD DVD player void left by Toshiba

With published HD DVD attach rates for movies around 4, over four million HD DVD discs have been purchased by customers. Add that to the free movie deals, and over 10 million HD DVD movies are likely sitting in homes needing players.

China is preparing to launch its own next-generation optical disc standard called CH-DVD to coincide with the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this summer. CH-DVD is very similar to HD DVD but was established separately for reasons of piracy and uses a different encryption standard. CH-DVD players will be able to play HD DVD discs.

As the format gets off the ground, Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers who brought cheap DVD players to the United States could do the same for HD DVD. As long as there is a potential for revenue, products will be made available.

Update ribbon (small)

3:00 pm ET Februrary 19, 2008 - Toshiba issued the following statement to BetaNews regarding existing customers.

"Toshiba's products playback both standard and HD DVDs and still offer inherent value and quality. Consumers can still enjoy their current library of DVDs and watch them in near HD quality. Although Toshiba remains firm in the belief that HD DVD is best suited to the wants and needs of consumer, we have to make business decisions that reflect market reality. Regardless, we will continue to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products and as inquiries from customers will increase, Toshiba is going to reinforce the support of the call center."

The statement continued: "It's also important to remember that approximately 1,000 HD DVD titles are available worldwide, and these titles can be used for the players and recorders. HD DVD player is compatible with the current DVD; moreover, it features up-converting function that enables the picture quality of DVD to near high-definition level that can be used as an up-grade version of current DVD player."

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By DynamicLynk

posted Feb 29, 2008 - 4:22 PM

Yep. I love my $50 HD-DVD player with 6 free movies, and under $15 for any other HD-DVD movie :)

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By ravemanson

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 6:28 PM

Jesus, don't You guys have anything better to do? Why spend time writing a 500-character long comment about how unimportant something is? None of You are right simply because You can't tell what's gonna happen in the future, even if the companies themselves say what they expect! The things people do to impress others...

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 5:30 PM

Is it just me or does reading these threads just make you wonder how fantastic Sony is at allaying consumer fears. Sony caused this by issuing false statements to begin with and yet people here are surprised how much negative reaction there is..beggars belief

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By Aires

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 12:29 PM

I have to say that Ilike HD-DVD and I won't be buying a PS3 ever.

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By Point Zero

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 11:22 AM

I think I finally go out and buy me a HD-DVD player now.

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By zain786

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 6:40 AM

HEY HEY - the Chinese will save the day - watch this space

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By SGD

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 1:45 PM

You are right I bet everything that you buy or least 90% is mase by them. Idiot.

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By Setian^Stalker

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 8:02 AM

Chinese will have nothing to do with saving hd-dvd
CD-DVD is their format that will kick off no doubt about that but it ends there. It's not the HD-DVD we all know despite its simularities.

And quite honestly im amazed that people are having a go at Nate over this article.
It states nothing that wasnt already known, it just made it known again.
If people have a problem with it they better take their issue up with China and Toshiba

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By testman

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 7:38 AM

With what content?

LOL

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By ingram091

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 1:14 AM

It all comes down to porn folks...

Personally neither option HD or BR is worth it IMHO. Not when their costs are STILL twice that of the same content on a DVD... And there is no way in hell I would EVER replace my extensive DVD collection to go to a high def format when all any moron need do is put an upscaler in line and it is more then adequate.

While I feel for the early adopters that are now left in the wind. I know the feeling I bought into all the BS with beta back in the day, and I would be dammed if i was ever that stupid again. that is why it will be a cold day in hell before I go to either so called HD format over DVDs.

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By FluffyDevilBunny

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 8:23 PM

I was wondering how long I would have to read until someone got it. So here is the current scope of things from the adult industry.

Of those companies releasing in HD right now 68% support HD-DVD only. 14% support Blu-Ray only and the rest support both. Our company is in the Both camp.

People are always commenting that the adult industry doesn't matter, but we do. We are the early adopters and have sales that meet and sometimes exceed Hollywood. We were the "Queen" in the Beta vs. VHS pawn battle.

But in reality none of this matters. The industry trend will be digital delivery before this battle sees it's finale.

And by the way, if you haven't learned "WHY" Sony is deemed the villain of technology, then I won't correct you. HD-DVD will never die anyways... DIVX never did.

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By FluffyDevilBunny

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 8:22 PM

duplicate removed

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By nt300

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 12:41 AM

BREAKING NEWS:
Un-Named Source confirms within Toshiba Corp. They've successfully sold the HD DVD Format and its patents to a large European Electronics Corporation that intends on further developing the technology for use in home theatre as a home video back-up recording format.

And yes they will continue the fight against Blu-Ray...

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By labomba

posted Feb 21, 2008 - 2:41 PM

That'll happen the same day when crows turns in to pigeons.

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By AlexCross

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 3:56 PM

Erm, yeah. Ok, here's the scoop. HD-DVD is dead. Discs are being cancelled, studios dropping support as they can. Existing inventory will be sold off if lucky. Since you seem to like dead formats so much, I've got some Laserdiscs you could buy. I've got a mostly working playing.

There's a lot of talk on the High Def forums about this digital pipe dream too. All I can say is you better get started on ISP legislation now as these are the problems with Digital Distribution:

* Traffic "shaping"
* Catalog (content) issues
* Download Caps
* Download speeds (even 8-10gb over a 2mb/s connection sucks)
* Less than Hi-Def Picture & Sound
* Can't stick extras in there
* DRM that makes Blu-Ray look good
* no physical media, permanent renter status
* Probable similar limitations as the ill-fated Divx Disc
* network congestion means your movie stops in the middle

Digital downloads are at least two decades away, maybe longer. Take FioS 20/20 and get that to 60% of the US and then you have DD. Well that is until the TV's are upped to a higher resolution and then require even more data to make the picture look right...

There might be some random breakthrough to allow DD of movies, but we'll probably have one or two successive physical formats yet. Why? The size of good transfers will continue to increase. The speed of the lines will not keep up (last mile). Physical media will probably remain cheaper long-run than near permanent renter status.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 1:36 AM

I do agree but I've mentioned before its critical for the content providers to do business with the ISP's.

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By Guyver

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 11:54 PM

1. Catalog Issues are certainly a concern. Probably many will see how Apple will sink or swim on their Apple TV service as well as Netflix.

2. Download Caps and Download Speeds not being fast enough are a catch 22. The cable companies will re-evaluate that when they're ready to roll out: http://tinyurl.com/2c326q More than likely people would pre-pay to have downloads done overnight and unlocked on "opening day".

3. Maybe less sound, but HD DivX does do 1920x1080.

4. Permanent renter status is definitely a minus for VOD, but for those who make a media server and figure out how to rip Blu-Rays to HD DivX, getting a new release is a simple matter of borrowing your friend's copy or the occasional rental. Hacking the Blu-Ray DRM will be an ongoing headache for those who refuse to buy a Blu-Ray movie, but for those determined to want something for free it may be worth it. Once a person has a copy they are free to back it up to blank media. Not a big deal.

5. Not so sure if VOD will suffer as much as the Divx Disc, but if movie studios opt to do simultaneous release for those who'd rather watch at home, you could see a huge uptick in popularity for this.

6. Network congestion stopping your movie in the middle is an issue if you're streaming but odds are the movies will be downloaded in its entirety or well enough where it's a non-issue.

7. You actually know how technology will be 20 years from now?!?!?!?!?!?! I think you're making a lot of assumptions here both in A/V quality as well as network loads and VOD consumer penetration.

8. Next resolution looks to be 1440p. I've seen it somewhere on a video on the HDMI.org site.

9. Although the size of good transfers would increase as resolutions increase, you're also assuming that people would want to download such higher resolutions when their hardware may not need such a thing. Two successive formats after Blu-Ray? Hard to say. MP3s came out about 1997 and I want to say in 2003 they began taking off. Now music downloads are a growing major industry. That happened a lot quicker than 20 years and we've come leaps and bounds from 56k modems. Video files could potentially repeat that trend thanks to the growing popularity of things like the iPod Touch and Apple TV along with the gaming consoles.

Generally speaking you're making a lot of assumptions from a position of somehow being in the know of what our future holds. I'm not so certain as you are.

What I do know is pirates and their like will continue their lifestyle till the very Orwellian end. The path of least resistance is simply ripping movies and playing them on a media server connected to their HDTVs.

IMHO I think there will be a place for VOD mostly for people who have large families or those who don't want the hassles of going to the theaters (expensive foods and annoying people). It probably won't be light speed at ultra high resolutions, but it will start off as a niche feature that will grow in popularity and when it grows content providers will meet the demand.

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By NULLedge

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 1:01 AM

thats a lot of words but it all comes down to this, the apple tv has full studio support, a huge user base from itunes/ipod to feed from, its sexy and easy to use, its inexpensive compared to bd players with internet connectivity, it doesnt take a month to start up, it doesnt require you to get off your a** to change discs, and you can watch a movie for cheaper and not even have to leave the comfort of your couch to get it done.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:17 PM

Amen to that AlexCross.

However, I can hardly wait to see what Netflix looks like on my PS3. They will announce a partnership tomorrow for the XBOX 360. Hopefully they will announce one soon for the PS3.

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 8:04 PM

Have fun buying another one in a few months.

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By democlees

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 7:12 PM

Another war waged and won not by t public but by convincing the ppl tht make t films to see it there way, china will take up t slack if blueray beats hd id go with hd all t way with its backward compattibillty

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:20 PM

Is that comment backward compatible with any particular known language?

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By ladylust

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:57 PM

Whats next? Buy all the movies you can on HD-DVD and use your HD-DVD to up convert.

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By Guyver

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 5:57 PM

Geez louise. You'd think the format war is still waging on given all the negativity here.

Let's put things into perspective. If you took everyone who bought either a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player prior to 2008, that number would amount to less than half the population of Hawaii. At this point, the HD player population may be right at the halfway point or slightly above half the population of Hawaii.

Translation: Who honestly really cares about either format? The format war was tiny to begin with. It should have been called the Format Battle. The next battle is between Blu-Ray and VOD.

That being said, I don't think Nate's comments are far-fetched. The Chinese have a reputation for piracy and making DVD players which ignored region coding. The Chinese are opportunists. The Chinese products we see here are cheap because that's all we want from China. People buying that don't care if they're not getting a Sony or Toshiba. I remember when Apex debuted in this country and their players were selling out at Circuit City's across the country when they first came out. Why? The Apex players could be made to ignore region coding. And I want to say those players were about $150.

Although the encoding for CH-DVD is different than HD-DVD's, I see no reason why a blackmarket player could not support both encoded formats. The hardware should be identical. Compatibility should not be an issue. Getting such players into the U.S. market may prove to be difficult, but where there's a will, there's a way.

And it really boils down to that. How determined is someone to not buy Blu-Ray in favor of blackmarket HD-DVD? I don't think that one will find very many that are passionate about supporting HD-DVD per se as time goes by. What I do think MIGHT happen is given Blu-Ray's additional DRM and yet to be deployed image constraint, the average joe consumer may end up being frustrated should the iron fist of DRM come crashing down. This will motivate the average joe more than anything IMHO.

Given that the CH-DVD format seems to have the backing of the Chinese government, that format is all but assured of succes in China. So the potential of what Nate is saying is certainly there.

So what's a tech saavy rebel to do? More than likely, people will get cozy to the idea of media servers (for those of us who don't own a console). People will rent Blu-Ray's and rip them to a HD DivX or HD Xvid format and put it on their media servers without thinking twice. This is the most likely thing to happen than a blackmarket Chinese HD-DVD player. It's less of a hassle.

Building a media server is not only cheap, it's relatively easy. The average joe could find a neighborhood kid to help him out.

On a side note, Asus is launching their own HDTV line later this year that has a Linux OS for web browsing and e-mail flashed into the TV's firmware. If Asus were smart, they'd also let this TV play any USB Disk or HDD loaded with DivX or Xvid movies to essentially give the masses what they want. DRM and Hassle free HD content which is convenient.

Bottom line, Blu-Ray won. The first format battle is over. Those who invested in HD-DVD are certainly entitled to keep what they have and enjoy what they have until their player dies a horrible death. There's some sliver of hope that they could replace their current player when it dies and potentially get a blackmarket Chinese HD-DVD player.

Blu-Ray's next battle is to postpone the VOD / DivX / Xvid invasion. How well they succeed rests entirely on how quickly they can accelerate the average joe's adoption of Blu-Ray.

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By Blaumann

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 5:14 PM

So, what new movies will i be able to buy on the format on life-support in six months time or next year?

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By nate

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 6:19 PM

HD DVD owners won't be able to buy new movies -- that's not the point. However, there will be 1,000 titles available for cheap until stock is depleted, which is a pretty good selection.

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By nt300

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:11 PM

Now its time for Blu-Ray to die off. Once CH DVD hits the market along with HD VMD, Blu-Ray won't stand a chance.

Hi Def Digital Downloads will also dominate in late 2008. And completely take over in late 2009. For less than $5 for 1080p movies, you cannot go wrong.

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By labomba

posted Feb 21, 2008 - 2:26 PM

Dude, keep hoping. Whatever the voices in your head is telling you, we have meds for those now. You are the one that have mentioned in another forum here in BetaNews (to be specific: Universal: We're Staying with HD DVD) that from your RELIABLE sources say that BD is the doomed format and that, also according to YOUR unnamed sources that given a couple of weeks that two major studios will go HD DUD exclusive. Where are they now? Have the voices in your head got you so deaf about Toshiba camp have surrendered? Or is it the fact that you still cannot accept the fact of defeat? Face it and move on. Stop cowering in a corner and hoping that HD DVD will still prevail. China cannot do squat with their CH DVD. It's funny how all you HD DUD fanboys starts to switch to the Far East for hope. Hi Def downloads, pfft. As I have mentioned in the past, it will take YEARS for it to be NEAR quality as hi def media now. By then, the next generation of hi def media would be far greater.

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By testman

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 5:25 AM

Pity there won't be any Hollywood movies using that format. So bang goes your theory.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:26 PM

what studio is going to give you their movies for $5? in high def?...PLEASE!

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 1:40 AM

He did say CH DVD you know :)

But the market is very specific I.E not for us

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By labomba

posted Feb 21, 2008 - 2:29 PM

Agree. CH DVD is not for US market and it will never will be. Do you remember VCDs? It is huge in Asian countries but it is a dust of a niche here. CH DVDs will have the same market like the VCDs. Definitely not here in the US.

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By CptGreedle

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 4:07 PM

Actually Toshiba themselves in their own statement said that they only sold 600,000 in USA, and less than 800,000 world wide. That is a far cry from 1.3 million.
Plus, if you really want to fool yourself into thinking it is worth holding onto a format that will not see new titles or future releases of any kind, go right ahead and delude yourself. The rest of us are buying Blu-ray.

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By Ryusennin

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:42 PM

"The rest of us are buying Blu-ray."

Not everyone lives in Hawaii (thankfully).

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By lazarus98

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 8:32 PM

Last I heard 600,000 + 800,000 = 1.4 million...
You must be using that new math we all keep hearing about... lol

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By yountmj

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 11:28 PM

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:20 PM

800,000 world wide includes the U.S.A.

I guess in your HD DVD universe the U.S.A is not part of the world called Earth.

Please do not compete on "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?".

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By MikeTechno

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 11:06 AM

This is just a sloppy use of terms here actually. Many people in marketing make the mistake of using the term "worldwide" when what they really mean to say is "international", aka non-domestic. Two very different terms with two very different meanings.

Way to many people, who should know better, throwing way too many words around carelessly without taking the time to really stop and consider what message (or more accurately mixed message) their words are sending.

Careless and sloppy. Nothing more.

How do these people actually get their high paying marking jobs anyways? More importantly, how do they manage to keep them?

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 7:52 PM

I'm just going to wait. You can go and buy a blu-ray now and when Indiana Jones come out on blu-ray and its not supported on your series 1.1, then go buy another blu-ray and when another movie comes out that is supported by the series 3 comes out but not your series 2 then you can go buy another one. Spend over $1000 and have 2 dead players. When will this end, will there be a series 4 and series 3 players won't be able to support the new movies made for the 4 players? This is going to be very sad.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:51 PM

Hopefully this does not happen.

2.0 is supposed to be the final spec.

PS3 is supposed to be ready for 2.0. So hopefully people will buy that as a player and not a stand alone device.

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By testman

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 5:27 AM

Well 2.0 only adds network support. If you don't want that (which will be most people) then 1.1 profile players will be perfectly fine.

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By yountmj

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 12:39 AM

Or, like myself, they could wait for the real feature-complete Blu-ray standalone consoles to become widely available. I'm currently keeping my eye on the Panasonic BD50. If it takes until next holiday season for the price to become justifiable (or something better comes along), so be it.

Aside from the lack of multi-channel analog audio outputs, it seems to be the first near-perfect BD player in my opinion, supporting all of the optional advanced audio formats.

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By nt300

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:08 PM

That was a TYPO. It is indead 1.3 million with HD DVD enabled notebooks, add-ons and HD DVD SAL players.

Toshiba retracted the 600,000 million sold number and corrected it.

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By nate

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:08 PM

600,000 standalone players
300,000 Xbox 360 drives
100,000 in Europe
10,000 players in Japan
20,000 recorders in Japan
---------------
1,030,000 total

+300,000 PCs and notebooks with HD DVD drives
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1.33 million total

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By labomba

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:20 PM

I hear ya about Chinese/Taiwanese players out there that MAY take the torch on where Toshiba dropped it off. Answer me this, can you give me some Chinese brand name DVD players out there that is trumping Japanese or US brand names? I'm interested to see if there are any Chinese/Taiwanese DVD players that are DOMINATING the DVD US market. Before you answer, pay attention to the question.

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By drxym

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:16 PM

Ho ho ho. This is a joke article right? On the day Toshiba says the format is dead, on the day that the last major studios departed, after weeks of bad news from one retailer, studio, distributor after another you claim the format is not obsolete?

Of course it's obsolete. It's as dead as a dodo. As for CH-DVD, talk about clutching at straws. Who says that it will be sufficiently compatible to assure support for existing players? Who says there will be foreign language movies to watch, or that they'll have foreign language tracks, or that they won't be butchered by Chinese censors? Who actually wants to order disks from China anyway? That's even assuming CH-DVD does take off. I can as easily see CH-DVD going the way of HD-DVD if consumers and manufacturers decide there is more reason to support Blu Ray no matter where the royalties end up.

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By Bogunch

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:14 PM

The war is not over. Toshiba just gave up. The Chinese will waltz in with a $50 player and that will be it for blo-ray. The consumer wants cheap!

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:50 PM

what movies are you going to play on the mythical $50 HD-DVD player? there are not going to be too many more new releases on HD-DVD...and you don't think studios are going to continue to press discs of older films do you? once stock is gone...its well, gone..

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By Bogunch

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:24 PM

Come on, man. It's the Chinese! They'll pirate them and re-release them on CH-DVD!

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By extremely well

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:35 PM

You are 100% correct. Blu-ray content will be re-encoded with pic quality slightly reduced (say by 10%) and made to fit on blank CH-DVD's and also blank Blu-rays. If a pirated copy of a movie on blu-ray will be 2x more expensive than a pirate copy of a movie on CH-DVD (due to media costs), then it's very obvious to see a new war on the horizon (CH-DVD vs Blue-ray).

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By wreckedchevy

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:06 PM

http://www.highdefdigest...nue_HD_DVD_Support/1484

well guess if anyone who has hd and is going to go blu still going to be one combo supplier for sure

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By Lawrence01

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:53 PM

I still wouldn't buy a blu ray player, because it still doesn't have internet connectivity which will come out in a new revision later, so all those who have bought a blu ray player will have to re-buy again...

"Profile 2.0 players with Internet connections aren't expected to hit shelves until later this year."

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 4:10 PM

I have had a 2.0 blu ray player for over a year.

It is called the PS3.

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:32 PM

I don't care if it has dual-Ethernet, quadruple audio/video decoders, and 1 TB of persistent RAM... until the firmware update has been released to enable use of that hardware, it is not Profile 2.0 compliant.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:40 PM

Who cares? The day it is released it will be 2.0.

It is a firmware issue, not a hardware issue.

Go play with your Wii.

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By yountmj

edited Feb 20, 2008 - 12:26 AM

"The day it is released it will be 2.0."

Exactly my point.

"It is a firmware issue, not a hardware issue."

Wow, good job there 'Professor'. Glad to see you've been paying attention.

The point is that it is currently not a 2.0 player as you so ignorantly claim.

"Go play with your Wii."

Haha... cute. Honestly, I wish I had one. At least it's innovative. In the meantime, PC gaming for me all the way, baby.

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:00 PM

Ah, it is not a profile 2 unit since the update has not been applied. It is a 1.1 at this point you are jumping the gun.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:10 PM

Do you know what 2.0 is?

PS3 is 2.0.

Learn what 2.0 is before you comment.

http://arstechnica.com/n...uture-proof-player.html

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:33 PM

Learn what "compliant" is.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:41 PM

Who cares? The day it is released it will be 2.0.

It is a firmware issue, not a hardware issue.

Go play with your Wii.

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By SGD

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 2:04 PM

Go play with you Wii how creative. You have ended a couple of posts like that is that a shot to make yourself feel good after being stupid?

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:52 PM

they will have to re-buy ONLY if they want the added features...if they just want to watch their movies they will still work...

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 8:03 PM

Yeah the movies made for the 1.1 player will work but if they want to buy a movie made for the 2.0 series they'll have to buy another player.

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By testman

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 5:29 AM

Wrong. The Profile 2.0 movies will still work on Profile 1.1 players. On Profile 1.1 players, you won't get the internet interactivity feature. As this is the only addition, I doubt it's going to bother Profile 1.1 player owners.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:13 PM

I wonder how many non PS3 blu ray players have been sold. Either 1.0 or 1.1 blu ray players.

These people fall under the same category as HD-DVD purchasers. They failed to understand the product before purchasing it.

Only 1 million HD DVD players were sold, including the add on for the XBOX 360.

The XBOX 360 will have netflix soon. Hopefully PS3 will also get netflix VOD soon.

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By improvelence

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:40 PM

You all deserve it. The message was in black and white for a very long time not to rush out and buy an HD-DVD player, regardless of the technology. Maybe the Betamax owners will let you into their little club. Lets see how many of you "refuse" to by a Blue Ray player...hah.

Me, I put more faith in digital downloads but am well aware that I will probably be purchasing a Blue Ray player eventually for the hell of it.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:15 PM

Improvelence,

I hope that nobody buys Blue Ray players.

I guarantee you that you will never in your life time, you or anybody else, will ever ever ever buy a Blue Ray player. I will never buy a Blue Ray player.

However, I do love my Blu Ray player. It is future proof, it is already 2.0.

Have fun with digital downloads. But if you see a Blue Ray player, do not buy it!

Only buy a Blu Ray player.

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:37 PM

"...it is already 2.0"

Really? No kidding! Which one did you get??? *sigh*

Some people really need to learn what Profile 2.0 compliant really means. Sure, most people guessed that the PlayStation 3 met every single requirement to be eventually upgraded to BD-Live status... but until the firmware update is actually released, it is not a Profile 2.0 player.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:41 PM

Who cares? The day it is released it will be 2.0.

It is a firmware issue, not a hardware issue.

Go play with your Wii.

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By THZGryphon

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:29 PM

+ to you for reading comprehension.

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By Zazou

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 2:22 PM

Hmmm, what does this remind me of?

Everyone else: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Nate Mook: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

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By nate

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:05 PM

No one is claiming HD DVD is still alive. The point is that a lot of people already bought HD DVD hardware and movies, and they aren't just going to disappear.

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By masulsaisright

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 11:49 PM

Please read the news before posting.

Universal just announced they are done with HDDVD.

You are correct though, they aren't just going to disappear.

You can still buy Beta movies.
You can still buy 8-tracks.
You can still buy laser disc movies.
You can still buy Atari 64's and video games.
You can still buy Pong.
You can still buy cassettes.
You can still buy LP's.

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By Guyver

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 5:40 PM

I've heard of an Atari ST, an Atari Mega, and a Commodore 64. But what the heck is an Atari 64? :)

Or do you mean the Atari Jaguar?

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By ladylust

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:56 PM

Yes.. the 64 bit Atari... I still have my mega ST :) Great for MIDI

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:48 PM

Don't forget MOD files!

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By SGD

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 5:02 PM

What is an 8-track movie? I have seen music on 8-track but never a movie. Maybe I missed that era.

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:42 PM

Oh yeah... you haven't heard of those???

They were fantastic... far ahead of their time.

You had one track for video, another for the PiP frame, and that left 6 tracks for stunning 5.1 uncompressed audio!

LOL

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By SGD

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 2:07 PM

What I remember of 8-track was the ability to hear songs on the track above and below the present track playing. Three for the price of one a real seller.

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By nate

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:50 PM

"They will disappear!"

"You are correct though, they aren't just going to disappear."

Huh?

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By PC_Tool

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 3:29 PM

What's amusing here, is the character wasn't actually dead.

So, if it follows the Holy Grail as you seem to claim...Nate must be right.

//or I could have my Monty Python sketches completely screwed up, but what would the odds of that be. :p

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By Zazou

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:13 PM

You're getting your Python's mixed up mate.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 4:51 PM

Nice spot.

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By PC_Tool

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 3:29 PM

Ahhh...crap.

Parrot sketch. I'll be damned.

Write it down, boys, PC_Tool got his Python mixed up.

I am never going to live that down here....

*slinks off to a corner*

MY HOVERCRAFT IS FULL OF EELS!

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By Paul Skinner

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 4:53 PM

I will not buy this tobacconist, it is scratched!

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By XMLaroux

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:00 PM

I bought mine as a gift for my father in-law.. he still watches the movies in amazement. Me, I stream my content to my 360's.. I have 4 media extenders now.. works great. No more media to lose.

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By masulsaisright

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 11:43 PM

Awesome.

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By nate

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:02 PM

Digital is definitely the way to go for convenience and storage. The problem is the quality still isn't on par with HD DVD or Blu-ray yet. And you can't loan digital movies to friends or family, unfortunately.

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By improvelence

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:45 PM

Right and wrong. I have seen some beautiful HD downloads. As far as lending out, DRM tries to rain on that parade...but its not impossible. Most sites also give you a few licenses for each movie. I think Blue-Ray can have a lucrative market for at least a few years, especially with the computer illiterates of the world. They are all digital, regardless of whether they are on a disc or on a server, digital information can be copied, burned, lent, etc. There is nothing stopping digital downloads from trouncing disc formats, except for the ignorance of the consumer.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:12 PM

Digital distribution is obviously the future we are heading for....

but the infrastructure for this is just not there yet for the masses...

the quality is just not up to par compared to the HD Media formats in both the visual AND especially the audio features...

the bandwidth just does not exist currently for companies to offer matching quality yet...

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By wreckedchevy

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:05 PM

anybody try sagetv's new hd extender suppose to be really good was wondering how close to hd-dvd quality of video is it?

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By XMLaroux

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 7:47 AM

I've only tried the 360, and my modded xbox... but why is that XBMC from OPen source is so much faster on a 733mhz machine than then what Microsoft has on the 360.. MC needs a speed boost. I havn't tried MC since Vista SP1, hopefully that speeds it up, as I've seen a real boost moving files over the network to my vista box now. If anyone finds a good extender... I'd like to know.

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By BklynKid

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 1:45 PM

I'm going to eBay my HD-DVD player and the two movies I own (only rented from Netflix the whole time).

Then? Back to downloading. I'm not buying a Blu-ray drive, unless it comes with something else I need/want.

The better format lost, too bad.

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