lol so ISPs are going out of business in France by terminating their customer base. Gotcha. Time to dump the stocks folks.

If they start arresting people for it Do not allow France to ship their prisoners out of country to your location folks. Make France a penal colony and be done with it. Turns out the Nazi regime still exists there after all. OK that was too far. Cause they are not doing that yet. But thats the next step the industry wants folks... Its coming eventually...

Maybe I should make it more Napoleonic. Via la Franc Guillotine drops, next offender!!!

I know I know he is Italian Give me a break I was being Sarcastic!!!

Actually if I were French government I would be more inclined to fear my people then most other places in the world... After all they have a nice little history of civil uprisings over small peasant level insults from the ruling class.

Where else has a reform movement (such as the french revolution) begun with genocide? Who better than the French? LOL!

Moved, page hiccuped my response.

Let them waste time. If it doesnt work the government will have to answer to the people. We cant pretend to know the outcome, France hasnt done it yet.

I dont really see how it cant work though? The only unrealistic part I see is perhaps their goal. You download illegal crap - three strikes your out. What's the problem with that? Just another stick to enforce the law with.
If you’re *innocent* you got two strikes to prove it :)

How the heck can you enforce something like this? You can't. Just use someone else's name or someone else's connection.

Then add fraud to the possible list of charges that could be against you?
There is bound to be a lot of research gone into bills like this - most of which the public hasnt seen. If they are confident enough to put a bill to parliament then they must have a pretty good idea.
I actually like this idea, leaves the riaa court cases out of it :)

So much for Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

These people are making me ashamed of my heritage.

that's the french "stick to the people" in Canada we get french leaders and we know all to well about this with the french.

As prevalent as internet is and so many areas in which to connect to it anyone can find a internet connection with little or no trouble. It is very easy to find in any part of the world unless you live in a cave. So in my estimation, the French government (as usual of course) is wasting it times on such a lame law. In all actuality it is rather senseless and moronic to make such a law, it will not work nor will it prevent downloading of any software, be it music, movies or whatever.

False. I'm typing this from a cave on a 15mbit connection.

Gee! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before!

Next thing you know they will be passing laws to ban all sorts of illegal activities and restricting access to all sorts of benign materials one might use to commit crimes.

Just like the asinine logic behind gun control - if you just pass a law saying only honest law abiding people can have guns, then the bad guys will follow the rules just like the honest people and they won't have guns with which to commit crimes!

Gee! Its SO SIMPLE (for folks with simple minds!)

I never realized how simple it is to reform criminals...

Leave it to the French.

I had a feeling that you would be the type to bring gun control into something like this. (rolleyes) Two things completely unrelated.

I suppose that you'd see outlawing jaywalking as an attempt to take your guns away from you as well? You have some very mental issues. But, than again what libertopian doesn't have similar problems?

You're right(sic) of course you dimwit.

Unfortunately, simply restricting access to a tool used to commit the crime doesn't solve the problem.

And only someone who is Actually preoccupied with guns (like yourself) would link jaywalking (an action) with guns (a tool used to commit an action)! My linkage was simply as an example of limiting access to a tool. Of course, we could also ban cars and then all sorts of related crimes would suddenly cease to exist too! Not! LOL!

But then you yourself cited one software method (of myriads of hardware and software based methods) facilitating exactly that which renders the law ineffectual.

Oh, but folks like yourself simply love symbolism over substance!

As if simply passing the law was equivalent to actually doing something effective! The only one's it might confuse are the idiot politicians who can't seem to secure their own computers and the sensitive records of others they contain for which they scramble to hide under legislation shielding themselves from liability - but which specifically holds the average person or business entity liable!

LOL!

"Just like the asinine logic behind gun control - if you just pass a law saying only honest law abiding people can have guns, then the bad guys will follow the rules just like the honest people and they won't have guns with which to commit crimes!"

You mean just like in England? Where it WORKS?

Yes indeed if guns are illegal only outlaws will have guns. Makes it easy to jail the outlaws.

In England and many other countries even the outlaws think twice about using guns. In the US people don't bother to think twice they just go home get their gun then shoot up the bar. Or their wife. Or their kids. Yep those hand guns sure have saved a lot of lives in the US.

The American Revolution was won with muskets, cannons and rifles not hand guns. French cannons at that. French money too.

Absolutely untrue. Crimes involving guns have nearly doubled in England since the stricter gun laws were passed... after 16 teens were shot in 1997.
What IS true is the fact that there are fewer gun related crimes per capita in England than in the US, but this has to do with fewer firearms already existing in that country. Making stricter laws concerning ownership of existing firearms in the US would give the same result... nothing.

But, back to topic...

My understanding of the british ban was that Death by guns was prevented from continueing its trend of going up. Unfortunatly with the affect of petty crimes involving guns going up

"Absolutely untrue. Crimes involving guns have nearly doubled in England since the stricter gun laws were passed... after 16 teens were shot in 1997."

Would you care to compare that number to oh say New York City? Where guns are easily obtained. Stricter laws DO effect the results. So does poverty. Hows the economy been since England changed the laws.

Keeping in mind that stricter laws is England is not exactly the same as NO laws to speak of in the US. England has never had easy access to hand guns. Making the laws stricter in a land that already had strict laws is hardly a good example.

Please find something meaningful to make a point. As you cannot change the fact that not having guns makes it hard to shoot.

Or is it just that you refuse to understand the obvious?

Hahaha.
So:
Download and get caught once; change IP address.
Download and get caught again and it'll count as first time again?

I'm sure they've considered that. More than likely they'll report the infringing IP to the ISP, the ISP will research the time of the event and locate the customer attached to that IP. The customer's service will then be de-activated.

I'm sure they've thought of changing ISPs, too. They state a cross-industry agreement with local ISPs, so I wouldn't be surprised if that data gets shared among ISPs (eg: who is currently blacklisted).

Deluge allows you to use proxy servers to download using P2P anonymously....

I doubt that there is really anything like anonymous anymore. Your IP is going to the Deluge servers and admittedly it might be harder to track you down once it gets there, but if anything they'll track back to the servers and get them shutdown.

Hmmm. And just who pays for the many manhours associated with all of this research you reference? And just where do they obtain all of the records? Do all of the companies just open their records? And then who is liable if the 'wrong' person gains access to privileged information and does something wrong with it?

And gee, since when does getting an online account require rigid authentication? So what is to stop me from applying for access with ANYONE's name? Oh, and since I am a criminal with criminal intent, we can all be SURE that I am so stupid and ethical as to give them my Eeal information!

Unfortunately, you are wrong about their "having considered that". A 3rd grader could waltz around this exercise in symbolism without substance.

Maybe they should just pass a law requiring everyone to be nice, and while they are at it ban war, pestilence, hunger and disease...

Yup, "they'll track back to the servers and get them shutdown."

As if one country's laws have jurisdiction in another country.

Get back to us after you shut down all of the Eastern European and Chinese servers (for a start) hosting phishing, malware and incursion initiatives. LOL!

You're getting a little too giddy pummeling your intellectual lessers (as much as I enjoy watching it). Better ease down, just for humility's sake :)