They see cheap labor and lots of eyeballs.
Google would sell their mother if the price is right.

Funny how the cheerleaders have swapped their story.

Google stands up to the US. The're all for privacy, hooray!

Google gets out the kneepads for China. Oh, well, it's the law.

US - protecting existing rights dictated by our Bill of Rights.

China - Not breaking existing laws.

You really see a connection here? I bet your imagination is *ral* fun.

Ok, explain to me how the US goverment subpoenna violates any of your right dictated in the Bill of Rights? You can't right? US government doesn't break any privacy laws at all. Google is just a selfish company who wants to protect their so-called 'trade secrets' when they fight the subpoena in courts.

Other companies like Yahoo or MSN does what DoJ wants because it is normal procedure. You can't even accuse them for breaking your privacy. Everything is in order, but Google just want to become a prick.

How can we excpect Google to stand up against Red China when the US itself won't? The problem isn't what we're selling to them but what we're BUYING from them. "Most favored trade nation", anyone? We MUST stand up against the megacorps that are selling us out and stop buying Chinse-made goods. China will NEVER democratize until we stop giving the Red Chinese our money, and stop subsidizing slave labor camps. Those Nikes you're wearing, that Nokia you're chatting on? All drenched in the blood of the yellow man, folks.

Dude...

Have you *ever* spoken to anyone living in China?

Let me put it this way:

Most of the folks I know over there, given the choice, would rather live there than here.

Should tell ya something...

Errrr ....

You're probably right, but that's not really the point ....

I guess most of the folks you know there, given the choice, would rather browse the Internet WIHTOUT censorship than browse the Internet WITH censorship

THAT should also tell ya something

P.S.: I'm neither American nor Chinese

I'm canadian, and love to share my music LEGALLY! after all, i did buy it, should be able to do what i want with it. i don't need some money hungery corporation telling what to do with something i worked hard for.(just one difference between us neighbors)

I'm sure most chinese people have good reason's for liking their country.

I, in fact, agree with the chinese government in this area. some information can be very dangerous in the wrong hands. a little censorship could stop some big problems.

should some iraq gun dealer be able to open up shop in the US and sell automatics to whoever wants one? after all, he can do it in his country eh!

When did google become a Human Rights Organization?

When did you all decide Google should be the "Champion of the People" in China?

By your moral compassess, they should not operate in the United States either. (Patriot Act, DMCA or illegal wiretapping ringing any bells?)

Google abides the laws of each country they operate in. Any business, in order to do so, must do the same. Why do we revile Google's presence there and not the companies who's products are made there, or at the very least composed mostly of parts manufactured there. (which would be a good portion of any modern device, if not the whole of it.)

What makes Google worse than the rest of them? "Do No Evil"? They didn't bring about the censorship, they simply comply with it. It is not their right, their job, nor their duty to take on the PRC. It *is* their job and their right to do business in any Country they choose, and avoiding a market as large as China would be suicide.

When Google filed for IPO and become public, their founders says that the motto "Do No Evil" surpass even their shareholder interests.

Do you really know what that means?

Google is not your normal public-traded company. Unlike Yahoo, Microsoft etc, shareholders interest should not be put above the "Do No Evil" motto. By complying with China's rules, it means that they endorsed censorship. You will have a hard time to convince me that censorship is in line with the "Do No Evil" policy.

By operating in China and censors accordingly, Google make a mockery of their own "Do No Evil" motto. Other companies like Yahoo or Microsoft are blameless in this, because after all, they are companies who put shareholders interests above all else, thus their business strategies is understandable. Google has that "Do No Evil" motto, and they should be rightly blamed for violating their own motto.

>>>Google abides the laws of each country they operate in.

Again...

"It is not their right, their job, nor their duty to take on the PRC."

Not going to China = Stupid.
Going to China = Good.
Going to China and trying to throw their weight around = Evil.

Who want's any company dictating any countries politics?

I don't feel that by being there they are "endorsing it". Hell, they are the most outspoken about it. Every page that is missing censored links plainly states that, which is well beyond what any other search engine does.

I believe being there and trying to make the best of a bad situation, and perhaps even improve it, is far better than sitting back and watchiong from afar. But again, this isn't even their responsibility.

"I don't feel that by being there they are "endorsing it"."

You feel WHAT????
Do you mean to tell me that the fact that Google CENSORS results from their search engine in China IS NOT ENDORSING CENSORSHIP?????

OMG!!!

what's wrong with censorship???
do you let your children watch porn too?
give your head a shake.

I'm sorry, do you need it defined?

Do you support The Patriot Act? The DMCA? Wiretapping?

Do you live and work in the US? By your definition, if you *do* live int he US, you *obviously* endorse all of these things and more.

But you don't endorse them, do you? You abide them while you must and do what little you can to make it known that they are wrong. Hardly Evil of you, is it?

Going to China and breaking their motto = Hypocrite bast**ds.

If they opposed censorship, why did they do it anyway? Censorship is bad.

Hell, when US government ask for some random info from them, which is NOT against any rules whatsoever, Google doesn't want to do it. That double-standard make me wary of Google further.

Not going to China is a good thing, not bad.

I don't want Google to dictate China's policies. But if China policies differs from Google's motto, Google should stay out of China.

First, it wasn't the grassroot people who voted for the Patriot/DMCA laws. It was by the Senators/Congressmens. Those kind of laws are almost always pushed by lobbyist from companies like the RIAA members or the Tier 1 ISPs. Just because those laws exists, doesn't mean people supports them.

At least in US, grassroot people can still oppose those laws through proper channels. Doing that in China will land you in a gulag somewhere in China-Russia border.

"it would have been "arrogant" for Google to come into the country and immediately tell the government what it should and should not be doing."

Gee, there's a familiar ring there.

Ok now say you own a company doing business in china and they told you to sensor things what the hell are you going to do? Say make me? Honestly, I would like to see any one of you here that say google is evil because of this, take that position and make a different choice. You people piss me off. They are in business to make money. They are not a human rights association. If you really care so much why dont you challenge the chinese government?

Because the Chinese government didn't ask Google to come there

Once agian, Google is a business. They are trying to make money.

That's fine. They however shouldn't try to promote themselves as being a really nice sweet little company then. Their dumb mantra "Don't do evil" is contrary to everything they do.

I would be fine if they would just be up front and say, "Yeah, we really don't care about our users, we just act like we care so we can get bigger than Microsoft."

Google is hiding something and I don't know what.

"Google is hiding something and I don't know what."

If you knew, they wouldn't be hiding it very well, now would they? ;P

Gulag.com's response is lame. Gulag censors content because they want to. Try putting thepeoplescube.com in Gulag's search engine and see what you come up with - nada. They're censoring content in this country. And WHO is requiring them to do that?

What else is Google going to say, that they did the wrong thing?

ah what a bunch of morons

chinese people, censors? they have sat phones. censors do not work in china, they have been circumventing them for years. also so much so, some bloggers took their site down just to mock our over humanistic cry for removal of censorship.

google is not evil, they detailed their answer and to this, they had posted that answer many months ago, so this is news? since censors can be circumvented, being there is indeed more important than not being there. be patient, people.

ah ok, the rest is news

What have I been saying folks?

How many more times do I have to say it?

GOOGLE IS THE DEVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't be evil, my ass.

Bulls***. They would do anything for the money. They just proved it in China.

Well of course they will. They're a business, not a ****ing charity.

Ass Kissers!

That they are!