Man.. this is gonna be lovely for school projects!

- Josh van Hulst

You can force Opera 9.01 to work.

Follow this video: http://www.monroeworld.com/misc/writely/

i am using opera and i don't feel sad at all that writely does not work with it cuz.......
well there is OO.org if i need some thing free and then most ppl also have ms office then we have word pad and then and then and then.......

i believe it is a candy to keep stock market
happy ;)

Can't figure out what it's for? Don't blame Google. Blame your lack of imagination. your incapacity when something calls for a touch of creativity.

Imagine, if you can.....

A Corporate appliance. It contains Google's search engine, a GMail server, Google's Calendar, and all of Google's Office Apps. All interconnected, all of them cross-platform.

Any email, data, or documents created are stored on the server, instantly searchable, accessible and useable by anyone connected to the corporate network with the proper credentials.

Instantly, workstation OS becomes irrelevant. Who cares what OS your workstations use when *all* of your apps are web (or google) based? Support costs? OS licensing? Office suites? Who needs em!

Seriously. This took less than 5 minutes to come up with. I bet the guys at Google have spent a *hell* of a lot more time on it.

People keep saying Google has no direction. Those folks simply don't have the capacity to imagine the possibilities.

"Instantly, workstation OS becomes irrelevant. Who cares what OS your workstations use when *all* of your apps are web (or google) based? Support costs? OS licensing? Office suites? Who needs em!"

Nice concept...But before you begin fantasizing about world conquest, they might simply want to begin by simply making it work with multiple web browsers!!

An onsite appliance might work, but online storage out of an originating entity's control eliminates the use of it by companies who must meet the terms of SOX, HIPPA, etc. data security standards - a LARGE market segment.

You assume anyone would be stupid enough to use online storage for situations requiring those standards.

Assuming that doesn't make sense. It simply wouldn't be used in those situations. (Unless the appliance thing happens)

As for multiple web-browsers? Firefox works on just about every platform. They are going for cross-platform. Opera is closed, IE isn't cross-platform, and Safari? Yeah...

Consider it the Desktop Client for the Google Suite. Don't like it? TS.

Again, companies won't *and shouldn't* be using any of these apps until an appliance is available. I never stated they would or should. :) (Yet you keep bringing it up)

you guys know that everything you type on google will be read and used for marketing?

Hmm, and you know.

and so what?
I mean seriously, what's wrong with that?
am I going to type my credit card and password list on the google word? probably not. what's to worry about?

Do you have a link to the T&C's that state this?

That would be commercial suicide for a product like this.

More likely, is your creating FUD.

"and so what?"
Good response!

Really...so you consider a company responsible if they used such a tool in composing documents containing proprietary information?

And if some of that data was your personal information and it 'somehow' ended up in someone else's hands and was misused? ...Your response would be?

So much for data security! And the company doesn't even control, nor can it certify, the integrity of the data and its storage. Out of site, out of mind...

It would not pass SOX, HIPPA, ISO17799 or FISMA guidelines.

The big question for me is, aside from students who do not have a collaborative version of MSOffice, just who has a use for this?

Ther is more to the world then composing for MySpace!

Yeah.......

It's called their moto... "don't do evil"

Yeah right.

So that's a no then, nobody has a link to T&C's that state that Google is going to use anything you type into their online word processor.

lmao...

Dude, anyone using Writely for personal info storage of for corporate info is an idiot.

Notice, *you* are the one who brought that up. He never mentioned personal info or corporate data.

As for usefullness. Perhaps with a little imagination and creativity...

Heh.. Yeah. Right.

so what? its a problem when the government forces google to give its archives.. or if google is broken into and someone steals all its data.. yea .. google appears responsible, but the government isn't.. btw it's in their terms that stats that all the data you give it will be stored and your privacy of that data is uncertain

Basically, you are saying that because there is a possibility that some corporate moron could lose his intellectual property by composing it via Writely, that this tool is useless and without merit.

I dunno man. It just doesn't gel. Take this for what it's worth, but I have *plenty* of uses for a tool like this, and none of them include composing for myspace, a site which I loathe.

Personally, it just sounds like the typical "lets bash the new popular guy on the block" mentality to me.

eh, i've beta tested most of google's programs. i can repect the potential of moving programs off the desktop, providing usable programs for free, and online storage. besides if you have to trust you documents to a company i'd choose google before any other. with e-mail, speadsheets, and word processors, the only thing google needs is a powerpoint replacment and all is good.

One would think that if you have a Google account you could log in to this service with no problem. However, upon entering my Google credentials, it failed to log me in.... Why does Google make you sign up for all of there services???

Maybe because Writely (like other new members of the Google family) was not actually created by Google. Where are all the people who criticize Microsoft for acquiring technology (as opposed to constantly re-inventing the wheel)?

It took Microsoft many years before the various parts and sections of Microsoft's own web sites adopted Passport and by the time it happened, Passport wasn't even Passport anymore; it was Windows Live ID and now there are Microsoft sites which are behind in updating all their wording to reference the new name and many which still rely on redirects thru the Passport domain.

Give Google a little more time. The mere fact that they have reopened Writely at all shows that they are making progress.

Google is definitely keeping us on the cutting edge of internet development (although I've used Office 2007 online and it is freakin' cool). But, maps and search engine's all I use them for, don't want to have all of your eggs in one basket. Yahoo for mail, google for searches, microsoft for too much, linux for a headache ;-)

The only thing I use Google for is it's calculator. And the occasional search if Google is faster to get to then Yahoo.

Personally, I don't see the point of these online "programs". OpenOffice works fine for me.

The funny thing is that Writely is using .aspx pages (which is .NET based ASP)

This is cute...Watching the Opera vs Firefox fights!!!
Best get a seat while you can! This is bound to be a big one!

Yawn...

So, assuming you can even use this tool, who does it benefit?
Companies are certainly not going to use it while they risk proprietarty data being stored off site out of their control.

Which leaves....
Moms and students who don't have Office. Should be a HUGE market.

Guess you've never heard of Web 2.0 then. Oy!

This Writely beta is more like a slow, dumb HTML editor than a word processor, and reminds me of WordPad, only much slower. As for Google, I got my own beef with those guys and their software. I am impressed that you can save files online, unlike AjaxWrite.

IMO, Opera is the most accurate of the browsers, following more CSS standards than any other. That Google tries to convert you to the Firefox religion is horse dung. As with other Google apps, it's limited unless you're using Firefox. (Writely's menus don't work properly in IE7.) As for the firefix cultists, at least I can say that I've never, ever had an extension break with every little update or had to worry about critical holes that never get fixed. Firefix's answer? Just say it's not a hole. Who does that remind you of! Buh-bye!

"IMO, Opera is the most accurate of the browsers, following more CSS standards than any other."

You take heavy medication right?

agreed

That statement was actually one true thing in zridling's post. Opera does tend to implement more CSS, and it (version 9) passes the Acid2 test, which has to mean something.

Google is God!! LOL

great idea, but the problem has very limited functions

It's very hard for me to keep hating Google. :)

Why? Now they're taking over the online office suite niche wars before they even begin.

What's not to hate? ;)

Doesn't support Opera... as usual. GG Google

Er, so Opera doesn't work with it and you blame Google. GG Logic.

I wouldn't say it doesn't support Opera, I would say, Opera doesn't work with Writely. There are a lot of online WYSIWYG interfaces that Opera has trouble with.

As I say when ever I review an opera release their xml and javascript handling is rubbish compared to IE and FF, so sadly things like writely are never going to work well with it.
With luck Opera will improve that as AJAX becomes so much more important!!

The problems is with Opera itself, it's a poorly designed rendering engine. There's no reason developers should have to waste time to make a page that renders properly with Opera when Firefox has adaptive rendering, Opera does a crap job following standards.

Anyway, I love Google's moves within the last year to make web applications more feasible and popular, while Web 2.0 is just a name change hoax, Google is really helping to get the interactive web standard on the map.

Eh, it doesn't work with any browser except FF, so...

Hopefully Opera will never support Ajax properly

Javascript is a security risk, and Opera is KNOWN to be the most secure browser.

But I use Portable Firefox, so don't start a war with me.

Opera and FF both follow standards to the letter.

But Opera has... I forgot what it call, that allows it to render incorrectly writen pages the way IE does. Blame Google for writing an incorrect page.

Opera's rendering, Javascript and DOM are fine, it's that the creators of this AJAX application broke the rules, deviated from W3C standards, then wonder why a standards compliant browser does not work with it.

Until people start writing code to the standards, a standards compliant browser is unlikely to work.

I would rather these sites sorted their code out, rather than modifying a browser to cope with bad code. That will just introduce bugs and security issues.

If I site does not work in Opera 9 (which is quite rare), then Iuse the InIE button to open the site in Internet Exploder.

"Javascript is a security risk, and Opera is KNOWN to be the most secure browser."

Out of the box, maybe. But anybody who is actually downloading an alternative browser probably knows how to implement the correct extensions for Firefox. NoScript is your friend in this case. Browsers as a whole are only as secure as the users who use them are. The whole "my browser is the most secure" argument is ridiculous.

You are joking right?

Opera is the most standard compliant browser there is, more so than Firefox, Safari and IE7, and considerably more so than IE6.

Opera also has a very well designed rendering engine, it's so wel designed, it's used in all their products, ranging from the desktop browser, via browsers for WindowsCE devices, NintendoDS, all the way down to Opera Mini.

As well it being standards compliant, and very adaptable, it's also blisteringly fast, the javascript support is at least 3x faster than anything else out there, and the general page rendering either on equal terms with the other browsers, or better. If you want the proof, take alook here:

http://celtickane.com/projects/jsspeed.php

Here are my Javascript results., catch me if you can...

Try/Catch with errors 0
Layer movement 31
Random number engine 47
Math engine 47
DOM speed 31
Array functions 31
String functions 63
Ajax declaration 0
Total Duration 250 ms

Another report about Opera speed:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html

On the same system, Firefox 1.5.0.6 gave me:

Try/Catch with errors 140
Layer movement 141
Random number engine 140
Math engine 157
DOM speed 140
Array functions 110
String functions 31
Ajax declaration 94
Total Duration 953ms

Almost 4 times slower!!

If the actual time difference is less than a second, is it really a valid argument? I mean, are you really happier that your browser goes about half a second faster than another?

IE6 takes nearly 2 seconds. So it's not less than a second. It's 1/4 second vs 2 seconds, and yes it do matter, as all these things add up, especially for javascript intensive sites, like Ajax driven sites, Like google Writely.