HP Threatens to Drop Blu-ray Backing

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

November 17, 2005, 11:33 AM

The Blu-ray Disc Association on Wednesday rebuffed requests by member Hewlett-Packard to include iHD in the next-generation DVD format, which would provide new interactive features. iHD is already slated to be part of both rival standard HD DVD and Windows Vista.

The development has spurred HP to suggest that if Blu-ray would not change its stance, the company may take a more neutral position and support rival HD DVD as well.

Such a move could pose a public relations nightmare for the still unlaunched format. While it could be argued that Blu-ray has gained the upper hand in the battle for the high-definition DVD, the group lost some key endorsements and has made some blunders in the marketing of the product.

Sony's insistence on near-complete control of the Blu-ray format could also be cited as a reason for the lack of a unified standard. The company made it clear in May there would be no deal if the agreement was not in Blu-ray's favor.

Losing the number-two PC maker could breathe new life into HD DVD. With the support of Microsoft, Intel and now potentially HP, the format would have a secure foothold in the computer industry. And sales of entertainment PCs have recently surged as Microsoft pushes Windows into the living room.

Signs of HP's wavering support for Blu-ray first appeared in late October. Along with iHD, the company requested that Blu-ray support managed copy DRM similar to that of HD DVD. The DRM would allow consumers to stream content to other devices through the home.

On Wednesday, however, it appeared as if neither would happen -- at least in the way HP wanted.

"Mandatory managed copy will be part of Blu-ray format, but while HP's request (for interactivity) is being considered, at this point in time, the Blu-ray group is still proceeding down the path of Java," Blu-ray spokesman Andy Parsons told Reuters.

Even though a form of managed copy will make it into Blu-ray, iHD appears to be the real deal-breaker. In a interview with PCWorld earlier this week, HP's director of strategic alliances Josh Peterson indicated that, after comparing notes with Microsoft, any new DVD format must include the feature.

"Based on that discussion and technical reviews, we decided iHD is a must, if you will, for the PC implementation of next-generation optical discs," he said.

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By klingon379

posted Nov 18, 2005 - 5:30 AM

The HD DVD forum folks are morons for using a disc that requires a red laser. Media that uses the newer blue laser is the future. Despite Sony's very poor handling of copy protection recently I would choose Blu Ray over HD DVD simply because it does not use obsolete technology.

HD DVD isn't better than Blu Ray just because Microsoft says it is.

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By SpackledHam

edited Nov 18, 2005 - 2:34 PM

Um... klingon, you're the moron. Read th HD-DVD Technical Introduction at http://www.dvdforum.org/...HD_DVD_Universal_24.pdf. You will see they use a blue-violet laser wavelength. Stop being a tool for Sony.

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By klingon379

posted Nov 19, 2005 - 3:53 AM

If HD DVD really uses a blue laser then manufacturing plants will still have to be redesigned. Discs that use a blue laser are NOT compatible with existing manufacturing methods for red laser discs.

Besides, the most important thing about high definition storage media is capacity. Because of HD DVD's similarity to standard definition discs it's storage capacity is severly limited and the format relies very heavily on the use of lossy compression.

Also, HD DVD does not have enough capacity to store both high definition video AND lossless 24-bit 96 KHz surround audio. Most people don't realize that audio is much more important than video. If you have a 80-inch big screen HD TV but use a cheaply built pair of stereo speakers you probably won't be drawn into the movie you're watching.

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By SpackledHam

posted Nov 28, 2005 - 9:59 AM

Will you please do at least a little research? First it's that they don't use blue lasers, now it's that they can't be produced economically... wrong again! See this article: http://news.com.com/Cost...ag=ntop&tag=nl.e703. The issue is that HD-DVD is *physically* similar to existing DVDs which allow lower manufacturing costs.

I wouldn't say that the storage capacity is a big issue. Because of more efficient codecs media distributors can get hi-def video at the same or slightly increased rates over current MPEG-2.

I disagree with your arguments concerning audio. First, the current lossy compression (DD 5.1) seems not to have affected people's ablity to be drawn into movies at all. You can have very good immersion with decently priced components today and that won't change just because of a new format. Second, your illustration of cheap speakers has nothing to do with the relative merits of lossy vs. lossless compression. In the third place, if most people really could tell the difference and/or cared about audio quality how do you explain the success of the iPod? Finally, I think it would be good to look at the relative lack of success of both hi-def audio formats to understand that the marginal increase in performance - especially on mainstream electronics - is not needed or appreciated by the marketplace.

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By Jedite

posted Nov 18, 2005 - 11:25 AM

Your facts are correct, however missleading in some ways.

Sure Blu Ray uses the new laser technology, however you forgot to mention at what price.

HD-DVD has something very important going for it, and that is since it uses prior tech the manufacturing plants dont need to be redesigned from scratch, this simple fact means that HD-DVD is a much cheaper and consumer friendly alternative due to the cost.

Blu-Ray on the other hand, will require new manufacturing processes which means more cost, not only that but they want to restrict copy and backup more harshly than the HD-DVD group.

Down with Sony =)

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By KSzostek

posted Nov 18, 2005 - 9:55 AM

No it's better because everyone else is figuring it out let face it Sony sucks and lets not go the integity route they suck there to.

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By jshurst

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 4:08 PM

I used to like Sony, but man they are really messing up here.

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By jordenpro

edited Nov 17, 2005 - 2:38 PM

I know everyone is upset with the rootkit issue which is making people hate anything pro Sony.

I've heard from the underground, that as for Blue Ray they will release an uninstall program for the standard rootkit that will be installed, however you will have to goto their website to download this utility and it requires your finger prints to be scanned and sent in, shipping and handling paid for by you. This is, for the fact they still believe that most people have no idea what a rootkit is and/or won't go through the steps to remove it. Also, they want to send customer information to the moon for later review.

I guess this is Sony's way of contributing to the Internet!

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By PC_Tool

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 2:30 PM

Didn't like Blu-Ray to begin with, like it even less now.

*shrug*

Hell, even if they do win the "format" wars, it'll be a non-issue for me. There will always be alternatives. Flash-drives getting cheaper, 2.5" External USB HD's getting cheaper...

Who needs non-rewrittable media nowadays?

Movies and software are almost always available online, even legitimately in most cases. Music can be legally downloaded. I really don't see a need for either of these formats ATM for me personally.

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By wincement

edited Nov 18, 2005 - 3:26 PM

Well, non-rewritable media is good for one thing: data-permanency. No magnet or HD-failure to worry about. And Flash memory is just too much more expensive to be a practical alternative

...for now, that is.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 1:22 PM

I heard a new sales incentive ad for Blu-Ray the other day:

"Buy Blu-Ray DVD's, and get 3 FREE Rootkits for every purchase." (joking)

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By Jedite

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 12:13 PM

SCREW Blue Ray. Sony can take their format and stick it up were the sun dont shine. I for one will not be supporting this format if it makes it to production. It wouldnt surprise me if when you placed a BluRay dvd in the drive it dumped 15 different types of DRM, and a few rootkits to go with it.

Down with Sony.

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By rijp

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 12:35 PM

Hahaha.. That's funny. I like Sony, but sometimes I wonder what they are thinking...

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By amed

posted Nov 17, 2005 - 1:30 PM

c'mon, lets give Sony some credit, at least they agreed to support mmc, and there also has been some talks about the Blue- Ray supporting both ihf and BD-J. if that happens then Sony will definitely win the nex gen of HD war.

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By Kamika007z

posted Nov 18, 2005 - 9:10 AM

Oh snap batman! The rootkit got a hold of my PSP!

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