Sony Should just give up... Oh Wait they did.
http://www.xyhd.tv/2007/...r-halo-3-launch-success/

P.S.

Halo 3, 4.5 million copies sold. That's more than every PS3 game sold to date combined.

That is so sad.

The verdict is in: I bought Halo 3 on launch day and only had a fewminutes to try it out. Initially I was unhappy but once I got into some extremely intense levels I decided this game rocks.

BTW, I went to BB today to get a snap on keyboard for my controller and ALL XBOX Pro's were sold out, they had 4 Halo editions and a whole bunch of Elites.

When I was there on Halo launch day, they had a good 50 Halo editions and the same amound of pro's in stock.

I guess a good title does sell consoles.

Seems like Microsoft has been buying good reviews for Halo 3.

Sad they need to resort to that, the game must really suck.

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-70701.aspx

Only a 8 year old PS3 fangirl would say that.

Like only a total idiot would think Halo 3 looks great..

Nice Jaggelies. PS2 era all over again!!

http://i160.photobucket....s/Niketalk/IMG_4267.jpg

http://i160.photobucket....s/Niketalk/IMG_4269.jpg

Seems obvious why Microsoft had to pay all the review sites off with goodie bags..

The best selling video game (ever) which has even managed to outsell the biggest grossing movie to date (amusingly that was that garbage Spiderman3)

From that well known Microsoft outlet, the BBC....

"The game sets the record for the most money earned in a day by an entertainment product, topping figures set by film Spiderman 3."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7015663.stm

.....and the best the Sony/PS3 zealots can manage is a childishly lame whine like a sad spoilt little b!tch & 'hope' that it doesn't emulate their beloved PS3's pathetic sales figures (which, btw, have now fallen off of a cliff twice).

This place gets funnier by the hour.

Keep it up Steve, Ray, Dave, Milkmaid, fernz..... or whoever you are going to be today.

Let's hope sales of Halo 3 don't "fall of a cliff" next week, as that has always made featured article news, when it pertains to other consoles..

I'll say it again...

As soon as Sony starts doing something positive worth mentioning, then I'm sure we'll all read about it here.

Until that actually happens, perhaps it's best that you stick with your Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanzine sites that tell you what you all want to hear.

When you keep clamoring for attention, you have to be prepared to accept the negative attention in the process.

ROTJONG

I'm not suprised the CC had copies being that most people put their orders in at a GS or other videogame store. Places like CC, Bestbuy, CompUSA normally have many left over copies after the rush. They just try to get in on the dibs. This is one reason that unless I'm going to be at a 12 am event, I don't even PRE-Order games from GS or game store anymore.

I was stunned to walk into my local CC yesterday after dinner on the 26th. I talked to a salesperson and in passing made a comment about Halo 3 and all the hoopla. She pointed me to the area where they have Halo 3 and I was shocked to see an enormously large quantity of the game left in stock. The salesperson said they had really not sold many of what they had in stock. There must have been 15 unsold sets that came in the helmet and far more of the other releases. After seeing the news stories about NYC, etc, I was utterly astounded.

I realize the game may sell better in some areas than others and this was expected to be _the_ game for the XBox 360. With Sony suffering the delay of GTA IV that gives Microsoft a bit of a boost for the holiday season.

1.5 million pre sells is not a bad number. Many games fail to sell that number period.

Rumor is Microsoft shipped over 4 million copies. I would imagine it is not hard to get the game at this point.

@ EOSWALD
"...but flat out insults are just ridiculous you know?"

Oh come now Ed Oswald. You knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote this piece. You know whom you serve here in Beta"News". The 360/anti-Sony fan base on this site is easily 20-1 and you cater to that. You writing 'PERSPECTIVE' actually proves that Ed Oswald = Microsoft Propagandist. These are your viewpoints and opinions about PS3v360. But I think you need to take it a step further and write 'PERSPECTIVE' on every piece you write. Maybe this site should just be called BetaPERSPECTIVES.

So now I ask you Ed Oswald, when's the last time you've written a non anti-Sony piece.
I know I’ve asked you and you’ve "answered" this before… So let me word it a little differently.

Do I really have to go as far back as E3 2 years ago to find a non anti-Sony piece from you? Surely you must have written something positive about the company since then.

"Do I really have to go as far back as E3 2 years ago to find a non anti-Sony piece from you? Surely you must have written something positive about the company since then."

You would have to go back more than 2 years to find something positive that Sony has done worthy of mention.

How could Ed write a article thats negative on halo when quite clearly in public eyes thats not the case? If he WAS to he would be misleading.
It's very fair to say its up to sony now to produce something big to show the general gaming public they are in the game just as serious.
Seems Ed just cant win with you people

AMEN

Agreed.

"Ed Oswald = Microsoft Propagandist"

- This just shows how ludicrous & pathetic the Sony/PS3 zealots have become.

It's sheer laughable blinkered paranoid nonsense.

How dare Betanews write anything that's not slamming the biggest earning/selling video game in history, eh?
(it even outsold the biggest movie to date too)

What a scandal.

LMFAO.

ah PS3 was the PS3 killer... Consoles suck... with their subscriptions to play online and their lousy uncustomizable interfaces, and lack of mod-ability for user made expansions.

I have never seen the appeal of these appliances... Xbox, PS.. whoppty do. Now at least the Wii was original in concept, but still.. None of them are very impressive when you look at the over all cost and game selection. They just plain suck compared to a high end PC... I would rather put the $600 into a PC and get a better video card or something and play hundreds of games , then buy a console box and only have a few dozen to select from...

Least Sony was smart and made it backward compatible so their library was bigger at the get go, but really... if you had a PS2 why go to a PS3 until more is out there? Same can be said of Xbox, and Wii, really...

Least a PC can be truly multi functional in the end...

TOTALLY AGREE!! but i just built a PC in march and it didnt come with PCI-E slot...so guess what? yup, buy a new MOBO and buy a new CARD, since my AGP is bottlenecking the rest of my hardware :-/

Agreed the best experience comes from the old PC.

Well the footage I saw looks very average, except for the bit about 0:50 with the troop ship landing, that looks awesome!

http://www.gametrailers..../usermovies/110735.html

I have all 3 3G consoles and I can only say that the PS3 was the most expensive and the least usefull of them.

Microsoft needs to do two things to put the last nail in Sony’s coffin.

Support divx natively.

Drop the exclusive support for HD-DVD and supply a combo Blue-ray/Hd-dvd drive both internally and optional external combo drive for existing xboxes.

If they did this Sony will be out of business tomorrow and have a stock price around 0.1$.
But Microsoft is no long what they were 5 years ago so they will probably stick to their current strategy and keep the PS3 in the marked just to make sure that there is competition and thereby avoiding a 2 billion bill from the communistic EU.

omfg, if microsoft did that, provided a bluray and hd combo drive, it would infact kill sonys sails for bluray players..

it would be ultimately unjust.. id say microsofts being kind by not doing this, and instead letting sonys playstation division kill itself...

id say though, sonys stock would drop a bit, but not much, sonys got players, dvds, tvs, car stereos, sound systems, and soo much more.. they will do ok, just close down the ps system.. wich is sad for me, ps2 was the s***!

Sony will not be able to recover if the PS3 fails as they have invested too heavily in the development of the PS3.
Okay they may survive but they will def be out of the Console business and have 3-5 billion hole in their pocket.

" communistic EU. "

- Hilarious.

Would that be "communistic" in the sense that the EU is a free and democratic voluntary collective of sovereign nation states who have the audacity to attempt to assert regulations and controls on the operation of 'the market' within their own territories (like every other sovereign nation state does) so as not to just stand by and allow an anti-consumer free-for-all?

In other words nothing actually "communistic" at all?

what the #&!! is a 3G console.

they still make money on every PS2 sold...and the PS2 is still outselling everything other than the Wii....their gaming division is not in the hole...

remember Microsoft never made a penny of profit on the original xbox...

Remember Microsoft has 40 billion waiting to be used.

I think he is referring to 3rd gen.

Or would it be communistic in the sence of:

Plan Economy
State run corporations
Democratic? Left-wing maybe
Limiting Consumers choice (Of cause to protect stupid consumers according to them)
Destructive subsidizing
Forcing stupid products on cosumers that no one wants
Spreading the wealth of (once) rich nations to everyone

Voluntary? How come no westen EU contries is holding election on memebership anymore. Maybe because EU would only consists of easten europe after that?

As for freedom I don't thing the west has alot of that these days.

I'm happy I left EU when there was still time...

Actually I’m referring to 3 grade consoles as these console all have their own weaknesses.

I can see that no system can do everything.

"Or would it be communistic in the sence of:

Plan Economy"

- Forget the ridiculous 'tabloid' take on things.
There is not a single sovereign member state in the EU that has a 'planned' or 'command' economy.

.....and btw even the most 'free market' is really no such thing and has various constraints, human, legal and regulatory.

"State run corporations"

- So there are a few non-privatised companies left in the EU.

So what?
That is not a credible definition of a communist or "communistic" entity.

The UK is not a "communistic" state because we have had whole nationalised industries since the end of WW2 (and still have a handful of state enterprises).

"Democratic? Left-wing maybe"

- Oh yeah, how revealing, of course.
The only democracy that really counts is one that gives you a result you agree with, huh?

Europe as a whole is extremely democratic these days, from PR maximising the 'voice' of a wide variety of view and opinion to a hell of a lot of genuine power devolved down to the states/counties, cities, towns, regions and people it affects.

If you don't know this stuff then just stop commenting on it cos it's pretty clear you have little idea of what you're talking about.

The EU itself remains exactly as the sovereign nation states want it to be, being directed by the Presidents, Prime Ministers, Ministers and the appointees of the democratically elected Govs that compose the EU within an agreed framework of law.

"Limiting Consumers choice (Of cause to protect stupid consumers according to them)
Destructive subsidizing"

- That's just a flippant response to the fact that we in Europe will never agree to a so-called 'free market' free-for-all.

Get over it, we won't.

"Forcing stupid products on cosumers that no one wants"

- Er, you'll find that in our markets the products "no one wants" remain unsold as they would be everywhere else.

"Spreading the wealth of (once) rich nations to everyone"

- LMAO.

Go read about how it works, go look at how the once incredibly poor, undeveloped and extremely needy areas and citizens of Europe have been raised up.

From Ireland to Spain to Portugal etc etc those countries that were once recipients of aid are now strong healthy contributing members of the community.....a process that will continue in the new entrant countries.

That was the entire point and it has worked exceptionally well.

"Voluntary?"

- Yes.

The EU did not force a single member to join.

" How come no westen EU contries is holding election on memebership anymore."

- There's not one of them so ideologically insane as to want to leave.

But each and every one of the member states remain sovereign and fully able to do so under international law, actually.

Countries want in to join the EU, not to leave it - despite what a tiny unrepresentative nutter minority might claim.

" Maybe because EU would only consists of easten europe after that?"

- If you honestly think that then I am sorry to tell you that you are woefully misinformed.

Even in the UK (probably the most 'Euro-sceptic' of the member states) we won't touch our 'pull out' political parties with a barge-pole.

We had a serious attempt at pushing this claim when the British tory party committed suicide over Europe in 2001.
They made the 2001 election a 'save the £' election (which, given what the then tory leadership were saying was in effect an 'in or out' general election.
They lost by a landslide, utterly smashed out of sight.

Even with a supposedly large 'Euro-sceptic' element us Brits, when offered the chance, wanted nothing to do with such a patently irrational and self-harming course of action.

"As for freedom I don't thing the west has alot of that these days."

- ......and what?
You idea of 'freedom' is allowing international corporations and big businesses to do anything they like?
No thanks.
In the EU we at least have some kind of brake against all of that absurdity, thanks to the collective voice we gain by having the EU.

"I'm happy I left EU when there was still time... "

- Good for you.

I could care less what you think of the EU, but if you're going to comment on it at least try and stay within the bounds of reality.

"Communistic"

FFS, wake up.

Europe is a capitalist grouping.....but one where the demands of business and 'capital' are not the only priority listened to.

.....and the idea that there can only be one version of capitalism is a wholly false conceit.

The Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii would technically be considered 7th Generation, FYI.

Not meaning to nit-pick. :)

LOL. Face it outside of hicksvilleUSA, nobody is interested in Halo 3.

http://www.reghardware.c.../09/26/halo_3_uk_launch/

Ed Oswald, to show you are not totally biased, please create this as a Featured Article, with all the accompanying photos.

That page is the first i heard of 'no interest' outside usa
BBC reported thousands of people lining up and the tabloids say the same story.
I'd say you went out of your way to find a negative story to counter all the bleeding obvious positive news coming out. Noones that stupid, we can clearly see the game is doing well
Hate to break it to you, those pictures hardly look like midnight photos either. Been to the UK? guess not

"Been to the UK? guess not"

Erm, considering I live there, yes...

I think this pretty much sums it up:

http://www.2xlrobot.com/sounds/mirror.wav

Great then you know how oxford street looks late at night? not like that photo that says 5 minutes to launch...

Priceless... that's just good comedy.

And if you came from the UK, you would know that hardly any stores bothered with midnight openings, they all went for the 8AM openings this morning (26th).

If you look at the EXIF data in these files, they were indeed all taken shortly before store opening.

I know it's hard to understand how your beloved Halo 3 has flopped outside HicksvilleUSA, but you only have to look at the product, which does not live up to the hype to understand why.

People are sick of more of the same Xbox FPS games, and want something different. The sales of the Wii show this.

Halo 3 offers nothing new, and is a rehash of Halo2. It's got a very narrow audience of 12-15yr old gamers.

mate, i dont own the game nor do I ever have a xbox 360. Its not my beloved game. But when people like you talk s*** I feel its somewhat important to inform other people of the bulls*** you dribble.
Halo3 flopped outside usa? i mean seriously stop making BULLs*** up and go back to cowering under your mum while your dad beats you up.... i assume thats whats happening because your still too p**** scared to use your own username here.
If people are so sick of the same xbox FPS games then you better tell people to stop buying them and start reducing the attachment rate.
Your about as detached from reality as anyone could be.
I feel dirty enough I even replied to you the way I did. Yes i lowered myself to your level, be happy

Ohh, attach rates. Now I wonder who keeps talking attach rates around here..

Buddy, you just gave yourself away...

S'funny but I live in the UK & I know a lot of people interested in Halo3 (and some are buying it and a new XBox 360 together).

All the game shops in my town and the nearest large city I've just been to are plastered with posters and advertising for it etc etc.

To pretend it's hardly selling and no-one here is interested is as typical a lie as we have come to expect from fraud Hollywood
(who still remains - clearly - far too embarrassed to try and come in & comment under his own handle here).

What an idiot.

"All the game shops in my town and the nearest large city I've just been to are plastered with posters and advertising for it etc etc."

I hate to break the news to you. But having posters in windows does not:

a) mean it's selling.
b) make it a great game.

It just means Microsoft spent alot of money buying people off. The fact so many people are saying it's not what it's cracked up to be, and fails to live up to the hype, is bad news for Microsoft.

What's even worse, is the bad news for Xbox360 owners. A full year has passed since Gears Of War was released, and you have Halo3 which fails to even meet that standard. If Microsoft/Bungie can't get any more out of the 360, don't expect anyone else to either.

LOL.

Expect a Xbox720 in a few months, to correct all the bad design decisions made in the 360. It will have Blu-Ray as standard, it will have a HDD as standard, I suspect Wifi and motion sense as standard, I expect it will also be black.

A detect a slight hint of jealousy and bitterness... perhaps because Microsoft and Nintendo have been successfully doing what Sony should have been doing all along with the PS3:

Market it as a game console?

Honestly, you need to start reading the articles, it stated most closed because of cold, second people do have jobs, third there was some areas were there were bigger crowds.

Why Halo 3 is a success is because ANYONE can pick it up and play it, and online is where Halo shines, the single mode is just a bonus.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't have the best graphics, (wii doesn't and its putting both systems to shame)

Now take a FPS on a pc and it takes time to get used to with a keyboard and mouse. Once you get used to it yeah it probably is better. Halo you can pick it up and within minutes pick up what you need to do.

He is right about one thing signs do not sell games example Lair. Lots of signs crap game.

He also fails to admit that the reviews have been stellar unlike his loved PS3 games. Funny he mentions Gears of War and fails to mention the huge hit called Bioshock. He is an other pathetic troll that is completely clueless. A new system in a couple of months what a joke.

You are right about him being jealous since his system has nothing new that is worth playing. All you here is coming the games are coming but nothing seems to materialize.

I also like the way these trolls fail to give examples like the article writer asked for instead all you get are their childish attacks, MS sucks, Halo sucks, and rest of the childish comments. If the system is so good why can no one truly answer his challange. Simple they do not have a defense at least not yet since there is nothing out to make the PS3 a good buy.

Like Ed stated all you wil see here is hate and nonsense no answer or challenge to his article. Dave needs to grow up and point reason to buy instead of attacking the competition. I guess he has no defense so the only reponse is stupid statements that are blatantly wrong and showing of ignorance.

Like $ony's motion sense that the reviews say seems like an after thought. What is the big deal about Wifi? Xbox720 in a few months you really are ignorant Dave. You are so far off base its almost funny.

How about all the signs for the hot Lair game, didn't really suck. Looks amazing but plays like crap.

Answer the challange or move on.

many central London stores, including Virgin Megastore and Game in Oxford Street, were forced to hold fire until 8am this morning following a ban from Westminster Council on a midnight launch, possibly over fears of frozen gamers or fights over copies

um, it says it was too damn cold for the gamers to be out side waiting for the store to open at midnight, and it was a public ban for the stores..

You're a lying moron, plain and simple.

From the BBC -

About 1,000 games shops around the country opened at the stroke of midnight so fanatical gamers could buy a copy and assume the role of Master Chief. First day sales may well have grossed more than any other game, film or album in history.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7013855.stm

....and ffs how desperate can you Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shills get, the next XBox to have a Blu-ray drive?
Yeah right.
Just after Universal & Paramount go format neutral on their movies I guess, hmmmmmm?

You really are a bunch of deluded fanboy oafs.

IS that the same BBC that showed Killzone 2 footage and labelled it Halo3?

very credible...

I would guess Bioshock was not mentioned for good reason, it's sub-par game, with massive texture compression, and huge amounts of texture reuse. Technically a long way behind Halo 3 and Gears.

I was very disappointed with Bioshock.

"IS that the same BBC that showed Killzone 2 footage and labelled it Halo3?

very credible... "

- FFS you guys just can't help excelling yourselves can you?

The world doesn't revolve around your little game console(s) you know.

Just cos the Beeb may have mislabelled an illustrative screen shot.
Like anyone cares.

That minor error does not mean that the Beeb is now without credibility in the world as a news reporting organ and can't accurately say how many people have rushed for this product in the UK.

Obviously the fact that you claim to 'think' it might seriously be open to question on the basis of that kind of minor mislabelling is just another obvious indication as to how you Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shills are quite detached from reality in your paranoia and frankly a bit insane with your cretinous devotion to your 'beloved'.

Yeah, maybe Microsoft paid them off too, huh?

LMFAO.

Yeah ok that is why it got excellent reviews. Your ignorance is amazing.

Bad games do not get game of the month.

Right thats why 1.5 million were preordered, thats just preordered get a clue dude.

Erm, you do realise everyone in the industry is in each others pockets. Most of the gaming sites are US based, and all live in Microsoft's pockets.

They give free laptops, Vista PC's and other bribes for good reviews. Face it, most sites are paid off (Betanews/AMD/Microsoft), or cause controversy and rely on advertising to generate revenue.

Bioshock is a OK game, but it's certainly not as highly ranked as many rate it.

Wow is that the best you can do!

I bet if it was on the PS3 it would be game of the year material.

What ever you say.

Incredible... if something doesn't agree with your viewpoint, you call it a conspiracy. Are related to Mark Gillespie by chance? He stopped entertaining us with he comments on Betanews because he was convinced the Betanews staff was conspiring against him. As I recall, he said something to effect of "there is NO OTHER explaination" than a conspiracy against him. Hilarious.
If someone gives an XBOX game a good review, in your world, there can be NO OTHER explaination than a conspiracy. Every village needs...

Too bad you never played it. You don't even own a 360. You proved that by showing that picture of your 720p HDTV setup (which takes good use of your HDMI).

"Halo 3 offers nothing new, and is a rehash of Halo2."

The PS3 is a rehash of the PS2. ;)

Are you thick or something? I am not DaveBG/Dave Peterson, or whoever you think I am.

I guess they never paid the people reviewing lair very well then?

Even PSM said it stuck so they must have missed the check as well.

Ah, but did Mark actually leave? Hmm? I get the impression his 'spirit' lives on in quite a few monikers around here...

And who told you there were 1.5 million pre-orders? Where did the press release come from?

Basically here is how it works. Microsoft issue press releases saying anyhing they want, fanboys then all rush out to buy it, because the hype machine brainwashing, means they will feel inadequete if they don't have Halo.

"I wonder who keeps talking attach rates around here.."

......any and everyone with a functioning brain when discussing the so-called high def format war?

(so that's the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray zealot drones out of the reckoning for a start)

You've never even played Halo (or even own a 360 for the matter). Talk about brainwashing. Your the fangirl; the fangirl of the PS3.

"Are you thick or something?"

?!?!?

Halo...pfft, PORQUERIA!!!

this article is a little silly if you ask me...the PS3 has sold more than 5 million consoles to date...got some great games coming out...rumors circling of another price drop...blu-ray still out selling HD-DVD...

and while I'll wait to pass judgment on Halo 3 until i play it myself...the reviews im reading (especially outside the US where the Halo/360 hype is nowhere near what it is in the US) is that Halo 3 is a great game, but falls flat on the visuals...been hearing rumors of lots of jaggies and aliasing problems...but i have not yet played it so ill wait....

I'm still expecting Haze to be a shocker to many...its a PS3 exclusive FPS that is still flying under many people's radar....and god forbid if square ever actually announces a FF VII remake for the PS3...the Japanese will start selling their children to get PS3's...

we shall see how things go...but to say the PS3 is dead less than a year into its life cycle is a little much...Sony can afford to ride this one out for the time being because unlike MS their last gen console has a real life cycle, and is still making Sony buttloads of money

Sure Dave. Your jealousy is so obvious and posts stink of desperation.

Soon, Only Not Yet

September? October? Next Year?

I don't get how you find a couple of pictures on the web about a upcoming game like Haze and it is all in a sudden going to be game of the year. Those fanboys say this is coming out and is going to blow this and that away yet nothing happens. The same fanboys stated that when Lair comes out we will see the PS3 start selling. The game looks amazing, look at what the system can do. Well Lair is out and it looks amazing but the game is well, not fun. Why do these morons always base a games future by a couple of screen shots. Kill Zone 2 is an other example the game looks great but the previews are like the Ai is terrible making the game no fun. Once again looks great but game play is not there.

This is not at all directed to you just in addition to what you stated.

The AI probably relies on the 8th disabled core...

price drops would piss me off, seriously, if i spent a grand on getting a ps3, the controllers and all that stuff, id be right pissed off... if somone else gets 200 dollers off from what i had to pay, id be soo mad...

hahaa would not supprize me at all...

question though, does sony themselves know how to code games for the ps3..?

huh? the game releases in November...they have gameplay footage out...and i never said it would be game of the year....

and Killzone 2...the only time gameplay has been shown was at E3...and nobody actually played it but GG themselves...the game is slated to be released for quite some time...it was according to the developers a "pre-alpha" build of the game...I would not expect proper AI at that point of a game's development...

You really fail to get the point. You trolls say something is going to be excellent just by a couple of pictures. Didn't you fanboys say the same thing about Lair. That game looks so good and it is going to crush the competition, as the game sits on the stores selves not selling.

I'll say it again maybe you should read a little slower to understand, nice graphics do not make a game good. If that was the case the Wii would be in trouble.

By the way I hope it is better then the first Killzone. Then again it would be hard to be much worse. A lot of reviewers didn't even like it. It seems that any game that is an exclusive to Sony is awesome which is wrong.

Probably not, as evidenced by the rather lackluster titles already published by Sony themselves.

I would expect the games to look good, as the GPU that Sony was forced to accept from NVIDIA (either this or nothing...) was based on last-gen technology that a lot of PC gamers have been using for the past 2 years. Of course developers know how to code the graphics properly... at least they should.

The rest of the architecture for the PS3 is a nightmare... too 'advanced' for its own good. There are numerous other consoles throughout history that have all had highly advanced cutting-edge hardware architectures for their time, but suffered a horrible fate because of it.

It was the same way with the Sega Saturn. About the only individuals who could properly and efficiently code for that platform were Yu Suzuki and Sega's own AM2 research and development team. Hardly anyone else either knew how to code for it or wanted to. The hardware deviations from 'the norm' were simply too extreme for its time, and other developers quickly lost interest.

I have no doubt that games for the PS3 will only get better as time goes on... they haven't much choice. However, to release a next-gen console without giving developers a chance to become intimately familiar with the hardware was just ridiculous, and I hope they will learn their lesson from it. The PS3 deserves 3rd place (or 4th, 5th, or possibly 6th, if you count the PS2 and Nintendo's portables).

Microsoft and Nintendo rightfully deserve the success they've enjoyed by offering platforms that are easy to work with that offer excellent rewards for the developers and consumers alike when the game is finished.

When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter who wins or looses, it all matters if you enjoy what you have. Right now the XBOX 360 is a more "valued" console than the PS3, however that may change, as does everything in this world. If you always based your life on maybes or what ifs, you'd have a pretty sad life.

Go have fun, stop being thuds and buy what you want to buy. :)

Most analysts seem to barely understand how to operate their TV let along give insightfulness to this current console battle.

The bottom line is one that XBoxers don't want to hear - the XBox 360 shot its wad and is done. Yes, Xboxers will buy Halo in droves - even if EVERY Xbox minus the 30% defective ones or about 6 million current users all bought one, that is about 5% of US households. It's NOTHING. It's a fine game and a fine system but MS had illusions the 360 would sell like the PS2 - about 100 million - it it NOT going to happen.

Are there hardcore gamers who are absolutely committed to playing and paying for the newest and latest - yes, there are 25-35 million Americans who fall into that category and they will choose or buy both PS3 and or an Xbox - but that is all.

On the other hand, 80% of American households but are casual gamers who play flash games, poker online, etc ... and that is who Nintendo is correctly chasing.

The audience is now irrevocable and CLEANLY divided between hardcore gamers and casual gamers and casual gamers - while they have always been therea nd Nintendo has always been seen mostly as a casual gamer system (certainly post PS1) BUT the crucial difference is now the WII is something ANYONE can play in 2 minutes. You personally might sneer at that but the fact is that 75% of people interested in VG's are NOT that committed to practicing, going online and logging 1,000 hours. They don't measure the value of that - it would be like trying to convince people to run a marathon - they jsut don't care that much and Nintendo was smart enough to realize that. As long as Nintendo doesn't screw it up - they will win the "body count" race for this generation. It's over. Nintendo passed MS and is not looking back. Who will be second? Most likley PS3 ... especially if you count worldwide - that is why MS ahs pretty much lost. It might be a split in Europe between the two but in Japan, it will be like 15 to 1 so MS Xbox will defintely be third within 9-14 months.

This round is over. Maybe with the XBox 720.

http://2aday.wordpress.c...ey-stand-now-whats-next/

Nice 'perspective' piece.

In all honestly, I enjoyed reading that link.

The Wii is only on the marked because of the price. The mashine is ridicules, and as soon as the price for the Xbox and PS3 drops the Wii will no long be talked about.

And you will probally see the control stick on both the Xbox and PS3 if they believe that this kind of control will be long lived.

Wii maybe charming right now but when it loses that it will die a fast death.

Sony thought they knew everything but lost everything.

Microsoft played it right and pretended to be the underdog but made a beast at the right price.

And yes Microsoft had quality issues, but the handled it correctly (After a little while:)) and when my box broke it was running again within two week. From what I hear it takes about 2-3 months for sony to fix their boxes when things go wrong.

Major yawn, FFS get girlfriends, boyfriends, good p0rn, camels, whatever.

Steve, it's all around teh internets (to quote on of your PS3 fanboy links), Halo 3 rocks.

By the way hows the crappy system, the petition, and the girls at blu-ray.com doing?

What we all need to understand is that the ps3 developers are still not using the maximum capacity of the system. i am thinking if it is used it can emulate an xbox 360 and run halo 3. well i still like the ps2 as its got games that is really using the system to the max.

I think that statement should go without saying. It is rather common knowledge that the PS3 was a poorly designed architecture from the developer's point of view.

It's not just that enough developers don't understand the architecture well enough... it's that it seems they don't want or care to, and that has been stated on several occasions (and as evidenced by most of the rather lackluster games available to date, and nothing too impressive on the horizon).

From what I have read, Sony has yet to release a decent toolkit to help developers along that path. Kutaragi-san's (PS3 creator and former President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment) dream seemed to fail to include all the people who would take what he and IBM designed and make proper use of it. Who knows... maybe upon stepping down he knew something the rest of us didn't, and wanted to make himself scarce when the inevitable backlash from angry customers and investors ensued.

...and surely your comment on emulating the 360 is a joke. :)

I agree completely on the PS2. To date it's still the console I use the most. I was completely surprised to see the explosion of color from Odin Sphere... that game sure pushed the limits of that console.

"It is rather common knowledge that the PS3 was a poorly designed architecture from the developer's point of view."

Are you a developer? the hardware is different...it is a new take on how a "CPU" works. Sure the tools are not the best, however that can be said of any new hardware including the 360.

It takes time for developers to come up to speed on how a new architecture works. The Cell architecture in the PS3 offers considerably more horsepower than what is in the M$ 360. It is just going to take another generation or two of games to start really showing.

remember M$ rushed out the 360 over a year before the PS3 and Wii since the first XBox failed so badly. So you are seeing games which push the 360 for all its got now since developers have some experience.

Yawn, you have no idea what you are talking about once again. Many developers have stated that the great tools that MS (not M$) has made creating games is the easiest of any of the new systems. Every one here knows you are a Microsoft hater and usually don't know what you are talking about. When are you going to stop using windows since you hate MS so much? The cell on paper may be great but to bad the other supporting hardware is not so good. The memory design is old school and very limiting to the cell. This has been discussed here several times by the way.

I can not believe that you would even bring the Wii up in your comment. The Wii will never able to be compared to the 360 as far as power goes so give that up. The Wii is fun but seriously underpowered when compared to the 360 or the PS3. Rushed out and failed you truly are pathetic.

Hardware ahead of its time

Jaguar- Dead
3do - Dead
Dreamcast - Dead
ps3 - Dead?

What I find amusing about your posts you state the ps3 is more powerful (on paper it is but has yet to show in real life) I am sure you can do a search and look for news articles that state the xbox360 is much easier to program for whereas the ps3 not so much.

Yet, you go on and on about the wii how its better then all systems, yet has the worst in graphics, Halo has always relied on gameplay and ease of use for any person looking to play a fps.

Xbox had more power then the ps2, yet did fairly well, they came late to the game, it would have been stupid for xbox to continue to develop for the xbox and not promote a new system when everyone else is. Nintendo doesn't develop for gamecube anymore, that must have been a failure too?

More power as has been demonstrated by the wii doesn't equate better games, if the control is terrible, which has been the case for ps3 games. Personally (IMO), I think the wii is going to become a novelty and lose some of its steam, but we'll see.

"Halo 3: Not Game Over, But Awful Close"

Awfully

I'll be deep in my cold, cold grave before I'll let you get away with that.

Thank goodness there are those on this here 'net that still insist on proper grammar.

Maybe that will be included in the next version of Firefox. :)

I may finally break down and buy an Xbox 360 just to get this. I laughed at my Linux-nut friends who bash MS all day long, only to go home and play on their XBox for hours every night. Funny that they call me a MS-nut and they own one of these and I don't.

HALO 3 is worthless.

Call of Duty 4 OWNS.

Thanks for playing.

HALO 3 is worthless.

Opinions are fine, and Halo 3 may be quite worthless to you; however, Halo 3 is worth quite a bit of money, being that it has had over 1.5 million copies in PRESALES.

In other words, that first statement is flat-out wrong.

He's gotta be used to it by now. ;)

Yah, you definitely have a point there!

I knew this would bring out the Sony contingent in full force. But NONE of you have yet to address my question. FF is Sony's big name franchise. It has a MUCH larger cult following than GT, MSG or what have you. Sorry, you won't see queues for those titles.

My question still stands. What is the reason to buy a PS3? You guys can snipe, but lets see some real points, rather than insults. Those who can't seem to contain themselves.. well, read above.

BLU-RAY movies for the win!!! Wait, is this a gaming system or a DVD player?

I don't see you getting an answer to that since there really is nothing making it a must buy system. The games so far are seriously lacking and the blu-ray drive has been rated as an average player. Sony tried to put to much into the hardware rather than the actual software. For the most part most of the games on the system are multiplatform on cheaper cost wise on other systems. To date the only really good apps are Resistance and maybe Motostorm. For a system to be out this long and not have any major titles out is a disgrace plain and simple. We keep hearing that the games are coming but nothing has materialized.

What you will get is a bunch of name calling and complaining. The flames will be flying but not a thing of substance will rise to the surface.

It's definitely not a gaming system, for a gaming system has actual games!
But on the bright side it makes a really pretty paperweight or a doorstop.

Oh, I'll admit... it sure looks spiffy!

...

and that's it.

Actually, I did answer the question below, and I know you too well from the past few years of articles to believe you're a Microsoft propagandist! :)

Are you saying it's the Mac OSX and/or Windows Vista of gaming systems? :)

Not at all!

Even Windows Vista is exponentially more useful than the PS3... and I would go out on a limb and suggest that even Mac OS X has more games available. :)

Don't forget with Winter coming it will do well as supplemental heating also.

Reason to buy a PS3?

Blu-ray. I have both a 360 and PS3. Only game I have on my PS3 is Warhawk. Its a great game and I've been playing it a fair amount, but the PS3 is much better for blu-ray movies right now than it is for gaming.

Halo3 is going to be huge though - I don't think Sony will ever catch up. And if they lose to HD DVD, they'll be in a deep deep hole.

"and I would go out on a limb and suggest that even Mac OS X has more games available"

LMAO

Hmm, It might be cheaper to buy a PS3 to provide heating in my house. Cheaper than buying a heater.

This "article" reads far too much like a Microsoft propaganda piece than a consumer aid. Further, to considering the Final Fantasy series as PS3's one and only saving grace smacks of ignorance, as titles such as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5 are major console-selling titles in their own right. Epic eye-rolls for this piece of "journalistic" tripe - I wish I could get back those five minutes I wasted reading this.

It's funny how some of you selectively read. Seems like you don't know the difference between an opinion and actual journalism? They're clearly defined here on BetaNews.

Yup, you do have that bolded word at the beginning of the article that conviniently points that out, I noticed. Wow--never seen you appear to be so...upset, but I guess I'd be too.

not upset, more just annoyed. Like I'll take some hits for pieces like this (I was expecting it!), but flat out insults are just ridiculous you know?

I don't blame you. You have a lot more restraint then I would. I probably would have already dropped the ban hammer on them lol. Your articles are fine, they just think anything not pro-Sony is a "biased" article lol.

Ed Oswald = Microsoft Propagandist ... LMFAO, what a hoot! That's the best laugh I've had since watching the Family Guy premiere on Sunday night.

I missed the family guy premiere?? Son of a b****.

Diddo, most articles on this site are M$ propaganda. But here are the facts- from a PS3 owner:

1- PS3 has nothing besides the blueray to make itsell right now. Games are lacking but by christmas that will not be a issue with great titles coming out near xmas.

2- producing games on the PS3 is more expensive initially, but once a company makes one game, the rest to follow will get cheaper and take less time to make.

3- If FF moves to xbox the PS3 will take a significant hit which it may not be able to recover from.

In summery the PS3 will not be on a level playing field until the 2nd wave of games comes out for that system (which is looking like late 08-09. Those caliber of graphics will trump anything the xbox can produce. When this happens the power MAY s*** to sony. But the question remains... will it be too late by then? Will the xbox 720 be in heavy development by the time the ps3 just gets started?

But ultimatly who cares because Nintendo has and will continue to dominate the younger gamer generation.

2nd wave of games?

Did I miss the 1st wave?

Obviously, you haven't actually read any of this site's articles. This is anything *but* a propaganda site for MS. Nate usually slams them (no offense Nate, but you typically do), and Ed is critical of them frequently. That said, you should really learn to read, since the article clearly states at the beginning that it's an "PERSPECTIVE" (translation: OPINION).

1- I wouldn't say "great" titles in every case, certainly nothing that screams BLOCKBUSTER. But then again, everyone's taste in games is different.

2- What makes you think it becomes cheaper for them after the first game? Actually, cost doesn't change at all unless they reuse the same engine and recycle graphics for every game. That works to an extent to save some development time, but it's not very innovative to generate "cookie cutter" game templates.

3- This point you're exactly right on.

But your summary is way off base. Beta Max was technically superior to VHS, but it still failed. The same is happening to BluRay.

I think I missed the first wave as well.

Yeah, that's my favorite so far. Considering 90% of the articles i write on here are something about Apple! ;)

You mean the PS3 has games? Where?

I knew it... Apple Propagandist!!! :)

Actually, I wonder how the world would react if/when Apple finally joins the fray and unleashes their "iConsole" on the masses.

It's all the rage... everyone's doing it! :)

Microsoft can't afford to develop a Xbox720, as much as they would like to correct the errors they made with the 360.

They lost over 4 billion on the original Xbox, they have lost over 6 billion on the 360 (development costs, and repair costs).

They screwed the original Xbox ownes over, by releasing an entirely new console after less than 3 years.

Do you think they would survive doing the same again? The 360 will be around until 2012 at least (and stuck with DVD drive and games that can't use the HDD).

All Halo 3 shows, is how little things have actually progressed since Gears Of War a year back. Don't expect anything to change very much on the 360, from this point in, for at least another 5 years.

The PS3 on the other hand, is just warming up.

I've never had a single issue with the 360, possibly because I'm one of the few that actually knows how to follow instructions on proper care and use of the console.

Aside from that, I cannot deny the hardware has issues for millions of people. But Microsoft has no need to develop another platform yet (even though they are probably already working on one, which is the way it goes). The 360 is a very successful console (not in all regions, as their marketing leaves a lot to be desired in Japan). In that same respect, Sony had no need to work on their next gen console either, as the PS2 continues to be an extremely successful console. That didn't stop Kutargi from working on the PS3 as soon as the PS2 was finished at the turn of the century.

Minor corrections to the hardware layout, DVD drive, and a CPU that generates less heat and consumes less power, and the 360 will have absolutely no downsides. To the best of my knowledge, that would make 1 hardware revision since launch. If that's what it takes to become even more successful, I say go for it. After all, Sony had 15 hardware revisions for the PS2, and it still has the same problems.

It has a new game to download called Qbert which is pretty good.

"Microsoft can't afford to develop a Xbox720, as much as they would like to correct the errors they made with the 360."

- LMAO.

Financial analyst now are we?

OK. Prove it.

Go on, show how you can back this "they can't afford it" line up.

"They lost over 4 billion on the original Xbox, they have lost over 6 billion on the 360 (development costs, and repair costs)."

- Actually all Wiki says is that they had losses of $4 billion to 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox#_note-15

But again, feel free to prove what you've claimed.

Goodbye Steve.

They have more cash then Sony could ever dream of. They are after all one of the wealthest companies maybe you missed that part. They could buy Sony not the other way around.

IMO some articles are on the biased side of whatever topic it covers, but i do not even look who the authors are and could care less, but this is my opinion.

There are many games coming out that will sell and sell well for ps3 owners, not saying they will make every shlup in america go run out and buy one but how can u not consider almost all of these "great: games:

*(not sure how concrete these dates are, every damn game i preorder seems to get delayed!)

September 17, 2007 Turok
October 2, 2007 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
October 9, 2007 Tony Hawk’s Proving Ground
October 16, 2007 Grand Theft Auto IV
October 30, 2007 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
November 2007 Army of Two
November 2007 Assassin’s Creed
November 2007 Haze
November 2007 SOCOM: Confrontation
November 2007 TimeShift
November 2007 Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune
http://www.allthingsps3....-ps3-game-release-dates/

Granted not all of these are exclusives but who cares, I will finally have some good games to play later this year :)

When speaking of devolopement u could not be more wrong, I have programming experience, and its not a typical "engine" per say but the individual game developers all create their own custom tools for programming, both the xbox and ps3 have dev tools, but all companies port over their own customized tools, the first time porting these (which most on this gen dev them from scratch) its VERY time consuming, after its done once its done,the next project time is spent more on the game than making the tools for the game. Thats why u keep hearing the xbox dev tools are so much better, cause their vanilla dev tool is, if MS dose anyone thing right, they have good program engineers and know how to create tools to expedite work more efficiently.

The good ones are multiplatform (Turok, TH Proving Ground, GTA IV, COD4, Assassin's Creed, and Timeshift - which I think looks the best aside from GTA4). The only other one that may be good is Haze, and it just looks like another standard FPS.

Here are some good 360 exclusives coming out soon:
Fable 2
Ninja Gaiden 2
Infinite Undiscovery (looks like a good RPG from Square Enix)
Mass Effect
Project Gotham 4
Bully: Scholarship Edition

And some more multi-platform:
Devil May Cry 4
Soul Calibur 4
Half Life 2: Orange Box
Virtual Fighter 5
Resident Evil 5
Blacksite: Area 51

"For those living under a rock for much of this decade,"

No, those who have other things to do in their life than write articles about a ****ing GAME!

"Let me ask those who may say that if FF is not enough for a gamer to pick up the PS3, what is? Blu-ray is certainly not selling the consoles either."

Gran Turismo 5. It'll sell it for me at least, when it comes out.

"Gran Turismo 5. It'll sell it for me at least, when it comes out."

Same here, thats the only game I'm waiting for. Forza just isn't as good as the GT series. But my problem is that it will be available next year... So I will continue to wait on purchasing the PS3.

"No, those who have other things to do in their life than write articles about a ****ing GAME!"

And what of those that read said articles and feel the need to post comments regarding them?

Many people feel the same way about the FF, MGS, Metroid, and Zelda franchises. That's the point of this article about a ****ing GAME!

If Microsoft is able to bring either FF and/or MGS franchises to Xbox 360, that will effectively sink the Playstation 3. Game over, time to start work on the next generation and pray you can keep enough developers in the PS2 category until then.

...and pray you can keep enough developers in the PS2 category until then.

Funny how a lot of commercials for new games I see on TV state "Coming Soon..." or "Now Available for PC, 360 and PS2".

"If Microsoft is able to bring either FF and/or MGS franchises to Xbox 360"

It could. MGS1 was on Windows and MGS2 Substance was on the Xbox1. Plus FFXII was on the 360. Not to mention the 360 has a bigger audience over the PS3, so they could very well convince them to come over.

"Since this Halo is billed as the last, the 360 will soon be without a standout franchise."

BS!!!
That's like Apple dumping a successful iPod. It's called marketing. Build up the hype make people beg for Halo 4. Then find some gimmick to maximize profit.

Not to mention that Halo Wars looks really good so far.

"To date, there are really only two standout games on that platform: Zelda and Metroid. The console's price and haptic capabilities will only take it so far. Too many of the Wii's games are simply too simplistic right now to satisfy many."

While I may agree that many of the Wii's games are overly simplistic, I don't think that Halo 3 will have much an effect on the Wii's success. Let's see: Guitar Hero 3, Smash Brothers Brawl, and Mario Galaxy are all due to arrive in the next 3 months. Wii is going to be top dog for a long time to come.

The 360 is no competition for the Wii. The Wii is out in front and not looking back. Nintendo is king once again.

The 360 is going to pick up sales from Halo 3 (in America) and solidify its second place in this generation.

PS3 is way in the back and does not have anything coming until next year which is going to be too late; that is almost half way through this console generation.

Not just that, but there are several incredible games out now which appeal to the right audience. "Super Paper Mario" is fantastic fun. And Nintendo is making a killing on the Virtual Console.

Yep, I'm one of those that can't play a FPS hardly at all (I quickly get seasick) but I and my kids know fun. Right now we've got all three consoles (XBOX360, PS3, Wii) and the Wii far and away gets the most work. Fun is it's own reward ;)

Well Sony is going to have to do one of two things start selling the PS3 at $200 or be content to stay #3.

PS3's will sell like hotcakes but not at the stupid prices they are now.

i agree. there is no software for the PS3. Blu-Ray is not going to sell the PS3. This Christmas is not going to be kind to Sony without something...the only thing i can think of is a _real_ price cut.

A $299 40GB PS3 would probably sell quite well, even without any good software until next year.

Well, it's not just PS3's ineptitude that is killing Sony... it's their whole attitude and lack of quality control these days.

As long as part of the business is content with shipping CD/DVD/GAME media with rootkits on them, and as long as they continue to ship high-spec products with low compatibility that are difficult to develop for-- Sony is headed to the gutter.

i am a big 360/hd-dvd supporter but for $299 i would have to get one but microsoft drop the price of the elite to $299 at the same time. I would have to get a additional xbox. even if sony drops the price i am sure microsoft will respond. sony is not in a good place at this time.

I knew Dave would come in with his Sony disinformation campaign. He still can't face the fact that the 360 has better games and is more popular.

We all know he's never played the game and is suffering from pen!s envy.

Namely mine as he wants to be me so bad.

"The CE and tech media is billing Halo 3 as the "PS3 killer.""

Errm, I don't see a single link that states that, nor have I seen any sites claiming this.

Ed Oswald has already shown his colours by queueing up at midnight with all the 12yr olds and other sad losers to buy the game.

Halo3 is driven purely by hype, and fails to deliver.

I agree with you that I also haven't seen any reviews claiming that Halo is a "PS3 killer", however I have read plenty of reviews stating that Halo delivers quite well and then some - unlike recent PS3 releases.
Also... seriously, man, grow up and get a real username. Posting under someone else's name is pathetic at best.

"all the 12yr olds and other sad losers"

Hey, you will fit right in!

So what's it like being someone's shadow and having absolutely a pathetic existense?

Halo 3 has been deemed a ps3 killer app since the announcement of the game.

It has sold just 1.5 mil copies for presales, that does not include people who waited.

Also, if you read its his perspective, I cannot figure out why you are so stupid or just like to flame to flame.

persepective - the state of one's ideas, the facts known to one, etc.,

So what you are saying the reviews are all wrong. The game is great and well made period that is the end of the story. They took their time and made a game that has sold tons of units. Great job on a quality product. To be fair the games that were driven by hype but failed to deliver are Lair and Warhak (as called by a fanboy).

You really do not get it.

Halo 3 has serious framerate issues, as does Gears of War..

So does my PS3 since it never gets turned on. That is the worst frame rate that I have ever seen.

"... serious framerate issues ..." I have a read a few reviews stating some MINOR framerate issues, but NO ONE has claimed them to be show stoppers - everyone seems to LOVE the game. It's rather different story for PS3 games - "beautiful, but unplayable" seems to be a popular phrase for PS3 games.

Did I mention that posting under another user's username is pathetic? Did you miss that part?

That's hilarious!!

"the games that were driven by hype but failed to deliver are Lair and Warhak (as called by a fanboy)."

LOL, man if thats not kicking a dead dog, I don't know what is. Kudos.

Sorry, I know it's hard to understand, just because Warhawk does not get a 10million launch budget like Halo3, does not mean it's no good. Infact, some find Warhawk more fun that Halo..

http://www.firingsquad.com/games/warhawk_preview/

I like the way your link is to the preview of the game not the final product. Not to mention you say that some find it good. And some people liked the virtual boy too.

"Did I mention that posting under another user's username is pathetic?"

I know, Tell Hollywood__ he's posting under my mine, and it really is pathetic.

I Love Lamp!

Virtual Boy... wow. :)

Even Nintendo had their duds.

My 8-track 2-XL was more fun than that when I was a kid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-XL

That article is almost 4 months old.

Leave it to you to conveniently leave out information in order to put your own spin on things.

They said that they found the beta of Warhawk to be more "complete" and "more fun" than the current beta of Halo 3.

Wow... comparing betas. Why not compare the final versions, if Warhawk is released later this year? (that was a joke, btw)

"Errm, I don't see a single link that states that, nor have I seen any sites claiming this."

That's because historically you have only seen what you choose to see.

...as does Lair.

Seems at least Halo 3 and Gears of War got the rest right.

If the 360 has "serious framerate issues", just imagine how bad those games would be on the PS3... I shudder to think.

That last-gen 256 MB GeForce 7800 mutant will choke.

Ah look we have the pathetic loser that is too scared to post under his own name back again. As to your baseless comment. The sales of the games says it all. You fanboys can try to play down Halo all you want, but it is a GREAT game and the sales show it. Is it the best graphics out there? No, not even close. I know this may be hard to understand, but Gameplay > Graphics EVERY time. We don't want a "Beautiful Disaster" like Lair.

Oh really? I assume you have played both then?

It's also because historically he doesn't bother to look.

Do you really love lamp, or are you just looking around the room and saying you love the objects you're looking at? :P

You mean "not seen", right? :)

"beautiful, but unplayable" seems to be a popular phrase for PS3 games.

That's my current favorite quote. Thanks!

Gameplay > Graphics EVERY time

That's why MAME, Nestopia, ZSNES, Project64, and Kega get so much use in my house.

A homemade MAME arcade cabinet is on my to-do list. :)

I love warhawk, but both halo and warhawk dont compete with COD 4 or a game like socom. Thats what sony really needs, they HAVE to get a kick a$$ socom on the PS3, now that game will sell ps3's.

Ooo! I wanna pway, too!

I love... Red Bull and Sun-dried Tomato & Basil Wheat Thins!

SOCOM you are kidding I hope. Pictures of COD4 look nice and so many of you think that makes the game, sorry to break it you it doesn't.

You got it!!

...

Apparently I love Mountain Dew.

Go figure...

LOL, Ain't that the fact!

Wow, thats about the most hilarious statement I've heard all day.

http://www.google.com
Learn to use it
Didnt find a lot of links, but it certainly shows you a few 'ps3 killers'

And for a added laugh
http://www.ps3fanboy.com...ps3-has-its-halo-killer/

Ah oh yeah, it REALLY failed to deliver didnt it? hehe... i take it that was a joke

I was looking at that picture in the PS3 Fanboy link. I was trying to figure out what's wrong with his finger... or is that his thumb? Weird.

You go girl!

I switched to Red Bull because the empty cans take up less room on my desk. :)

socom already has a major competitor and that Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six. The #'s just don't lie. The two best selling games ever are Halo and Grand Theft Auto. Which you can only get both on the 360.

So here's what we've got...

Nintendo Wii is just downright FUN. Good games, and lots of potential for great, innovative, fun games. No wonder they're the king of the crop, and if Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid 4 make their way to the Wii or Xbox 360, then hands down, Sony may as well give up on PS3.

The only thing that has the potential to help give PS3 a recovery is FF and MGS4, but I given Square's distaste for PS3's marketing I am still betting that we haven't heard the final word on whether PS3 is the final destination for FF13.

As for Microsoft, they already have some decent games. If they can take this opportunity to swoon Square-Enix and Konami in their direction, we could see Castlevania, Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy and they could do as well as Nintendo.

PS3 and Blueray is the Betamax of the current generation game consoles. It may be better, technically speaking, but if you can't get the games or the gamers, then it's GAME OVER.

EDIT: I should note that because of the limited graphics power of Wii, I doubt seriously FF13 will head to the Wii without a major rework by Square-Enix. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see other games come out on Wii and FF13 go to Xbox 360.

Well Ninja Gaiden 2 is confirmed for xbox360 now and it looks AWESOME, plus squenix is making some games for Xbox, so I see it possibly happening.

I think Sony did what every other maker did before (3d0, dreamcast, turbographix) tried using tech that was too new and not tested.

That blu-ray drive is going to be the death of them unless they can find a compelling reason to pay the extra.

Final Fantasy's creator Sakaguchi has already expressed his rather strong discontent for the PS3's architecture (along with many other developers), and loves the 360. The game engine for Final Fantasy XIII is multi-platform, so porting wouldn't be difficult at all.

Now that would really hurt the playstation franchise to see it's biggest hitters go multisystem. FF and Metal Gear on something other than a playstaion I can hear the cries already.

Frankly I fail to see the excitment with Gran Turismo. Run a race over and over to get money then rerun the race to get more to buy a new car, then upgrade, then have to race more to buy an other car and complete the upgrade circle again and again. Oh boy what a joy.

I have no allusions of seeing MGS on a platform other than Sony's, but stranger things have happened. It's not really my cup of tea anyway, so I really don't care... but it sure has my brother wanting a PS3.

Poor guy.

I disagree on MGS... MGS on the Wii, with using the Wiimote for tactical espionage action and close-quarter combat would be the most ideal, innovative use of the Wiimote to date.

I played GT on the Playstation. BORING! I just don't get why people enjoy that game. Metal Gear doesn't excite me at all either. I actually tried Forze and to be honest I didn't like it either. People bash it all the time, but honestly the only racing game I can stand is Need For Speed. I need some fregin ACTION!

If I had to name my favorite series of all time it would probably haft to be Call of Duty.

I'm not thinking about the engine so much as the graphics quality and I hate to say it, but the polygon counts being used is always going to matter to Square-Enix.

You may or may not recall, but the reason Squaresoft left Nintendo the first time around was because the N64 console was A) underpowered, and B) cartridge media. They wanted the Playstation specs and CD-based media, because FF7 was "huge" for that time (3 CD's).

The Wii is still in a similar situation in terms of tech specs being underpowered (compared to 360 or PS3). That said, I definitely agree that 360 would be a great target for FF13.

I didn't mean to suggest it wouldn't be nice. Innovation is what the Wii's all about. I'd love to see a lot of existing titles ported over to it, if only to give them a breath of fresh air.

I don't know why I haven't gotten a Wii yet, to be honest. I love that little thing.

Yeah, I think the general consensus has been that the Wii has been written off completely for being a viable option for FFXIII.

And oh yeah... I remember Squaresoft's decision well back then. FFVII was the reason I bought my first PlayStation.

you could say that about any game.

"Frankly I fail to see the excitment with Halo 3. Run around a map over and over to kill people then rerun the same map and kill more people, then restart, then have to play the map more to kill people again and again. Oh boy what a joy."

Some people are into it, some people are not.

Yep... if you look at my PSX collection, all I have is FF games, Xenosaga, Metal Gear Solid, and a few RPG remakes.

The difference this time is that PSX was $100 when I bought it and PS3 is $600.

That sounds very similar to my own collection of PSX titles. They're not many... mainly RPG's.

Lunar and Lunar 2 were two of my absolute favorites.

"I don't know why I haven't gotten a Wii yet, to be honest."

Could it be because you can't find any?;)

Heh, good one. :)

Actually, I see one or two occasionally, but I never jump on it when I do. It's not that I think it would be a bad purchase (far from it)... it's just that there are so many other things that I'm trying to save up for, and that wouldn't bring me any closer to my goals. It's taking tremendous will power.

Story of my life.

I think squenix may look at this and possibly reconsider, (this is my opinion, no need to go an all out flame war)

Even though MS says its the last doesn't mean it is, how often do they say this about movies and hell look at "Final" Fantasy, what's so final about it?

I wish I had a penny for every time I hear the "final" fantasy joke... I'd be at least as rich as Bill Gates.

Agree, but I wasn't using it in the joke sense, more as just because someone says something is final, doesn't mean it is :)

Haptic? You kids and your fancy words.
Assuming I'm not the only person so dumb I had to look it up...

Main Entry: hap·tic
Pronunciation: 'hap-tik
Function: adjective
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary, from Greek haptesthai to touch
1 : relating to or based on the sense of touch
2 : characterized by a predilection for the sense of touch

I remember the 360 being panned for a terrible line up of games (until Gears of War showed up).

So is this the end of the PS3? Doubtful - but that's assuming Sony actually releases some proper titles soon. The current line up is atrocious, but I'm sure the fans will come when MGS4 and GT5, among others, come out.

Either way I'm impartial - it'll be interesting to see. Nintendo will always be my true love. I love you SNES.

I love you Super NES too!

I'm still of the opinion that there has not yet been a game made that is finer than Metal Warriors for SNES.

Those games are not slated until 2008 though, Sony needs something NOW to help them.

I'll stick with my Commodore 64's and 128's. Those were (and still are) my true loves. :)

Failing that, the ZX Spectrum. Go 16K!

Right on, dude. :)

I'm right with you on Game systems. Truely, the 360 is great(when it doesn't break), but I still find my heart with my C=64, as I was 12 - 16, and loved every minute I spent with it. I still play M.U.L.E. when I get the "Nostalgic" feeling... I loved it.

Chrono Trigger FTW...

I was going for an obscurer choice, but you're right, Chrono Trigger is definitely a masterpiece

Yep, I was about the same age. Still have 3 C-64's (one a C-64C) and 2 C-128's (one of them a C-128D). I've since scavenged the SID chips for my HardSID Quattro... but they can always be put back.

Defender of the Crown, Elite, Archon, Spy vs Spy, Raid over Moscow...

Fast Hack'em FTW! :)

Not as bad as the PS3