LG Promises New, True Hybrid High-Def Disc Player

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

September 5, 2007, 6:37 PM

We've been down this road before: Covering CES last January, BetaNews was the first to report that LG Electronics' long-promised hybrid Blu-ray/HD DVD disc player wouldn't actually be able to play the full content of HD DVDs, due to its lack of support for its iHD interactivity layer - the part that gives you menus and on-screen features.

LG originally promised a hybrid player as far back as March 2006. Now, at the CEDIA custom electronics show in Denver, the company is showing off a new prototype that it claims will play both iHD and BD-J interactive content, and will sell for $999.

The promised release timeframe for this round is October, and today's LG announcement made extra efforts to appear forthcoming and sincere. Still, the CEDIA show is targeted primarily at homebuilders, which include those who might buy home entertainment equipment to install in the new homes of premium clients.

So it is not a "launch" quite yet - which might not be bad news, especially for a company that redefined the concept of "launch" in 2006 to mean something that doesn't necessarily require forward motion.

LG's previous BH100 had already won major CES awards in January before those handing out the awards got a chance to read the spec sheet or try actually playing an HD DVD in one.

As BetaNews' Nate Mook reported from the CES floor last January, "We just spoke with the folks at LG to glean some insight into their newly announced Blu-ray/HD DVD Hybrid player and the response was disappointing. The big news: iHD is not supported at all, only Blu-ray's BD-J menu and interactivity system. This is a huge blow to LG's first effort, as iHD is one of the most important features of HD DVD. The hybrid player will only playback movie content on the disc; no menu system or interactive features will be supported. Also, the player uses only HDMI 1.2, not the new 1.3 standard found in the latest standalone HD DVD and Blu-ray players."

But to its credit today, LG went to great lengths to technically list as many of the format options it could think of, in an effort to forestall any questions it may receive about what the new Super Blu BH200 (note it's no longer "Super Multi Blu") might not play.

This time around, the company listed the following: Full 1080p resolution; 24 , 30 , and 60 frames per second support; MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 video (which should cover MPEG-4); MPEG1/2 audio, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital+, DTS and DTS-HD audio; and HDMI 1.3 output.

It may finally be the all-formats-considered high-definition disc player video aficionados have been hoping for. It is not a recorder -- that may be too much to ask for -- but it may not be limited to playing back only a limited percentage of high-def content. The big question now for LG is whether consumers will be willing to invest a thousand dollars, rather than buy a Blu-ray and an HD DVD player separately for less.

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By RedBoar

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 2:09 PM

Isn't it nice there are such geniuses here who let us know that two separate players for HD-DVD and Blu-Gay are still cheaper than $999? I feel so enlightened.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 5, 2007 - 9:57 PM

At $999 it's still cheaper to buy seperates.

iHD is nice but it doesn't look like the player has been approved by the DVD Forum.

There's also no formal acknowledgement that this player is 'profile 1.1' compliant for Blu-ray.
This means it could be obsolete in 6 months.

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By DaveGB

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 4:54 AM

Non proflile BD 1.1 won't be obsolete in 6 months. Are you some kind of idiot? They will still play content, just not access the profile 1.1 extras.

If anything is not going to be around in 6 months, it's HD DVD format.

This player, do you think they added the ethernet port for fun? Google the specs, and you will see the decoder is capable of dual decoding requried for 1.1.

This is the same scenario as the new Samsung and Sony PS3 and new standalone players, they have all the hardware for profile 1.1, and the firmware update to enable it will follow in due course.

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By PC_Tool

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 9:57 AM

They will still play content, just not access the profile 1.1 extras.

..and thus be functionally obsolete.

A computer is obsolete when it no longer supports current functionality. The same applies to appliances.

Just because they can still run Windows 98 doesn't mean they aren't obsolete.

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By Jordanr05

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 6:09 AM

First, why the name calling? Seriously grow up.

Second, why are you such a supporter of Blue Ray? Maybe it'll win the format wars, maybe it won't. Were you part of the BD development team or something? Don't live your life through a format dude - pick a new hobby.

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By SGD

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 3:06 PM

Seriously that is all that he can do effectively. His points are usually wrong so something needs to make him stand out.

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By DaveGB

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 7:01 AM

Why the name calling? The guy is obviously an idiot if he thinks Profile 1.1 capable players are not backwards and forwards capable.

Put simply, so even idiots can understand.

Profile 1.1 players will play all the Blu-Ray content available today and in the future.

Non-Profile 1.1 players will play all Blu-Ray movies available today and in the future.

Non-Profile 1.1 players will NOT play profile 1.1 features on future discs, but will play all current capabilities, as they do today.

So a non-profile 1.1 player will work excactly the same as it does today, no change. Future players can play expanded future content.

Many non profile 1.1 players can be updated to Profile 1.1 units. (mainly 2nd Gen and PS3).

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 10:00 AM

The guy is obviously an idiot if he thinks Profile 1.1 capable players are not backwards and forwards capable.

...and he'd be right as far as forward compatibility goes. You do understand the concept, do you not? future compatibility means it will be able to support additional "standard" content in the future. Profile 1.1 being that standard, may well be unsupported on this device.

Thus, not future-proof.

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By yountmj

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 10:44 AM

And apparently you're an idiot if you honestly believe that the whole point was about what "Profile 1.1" players could do. The entire debacle is about what the current (and future, apparently) non-"Profile 1.1"+ BD players will not do... yesterday, now, ever.

Borrowing loosely one of your beloved references regarding the 360, anyone buying a BD players this side of 2008 (and possibly months into it) is buying trouble and disappointment, and is severely wasting money. Or perhaps they're just setting their standards too low. Anyone who decides to purchase a Blu-ray player is still considered an early adopter until the BDA gets their act together. The same cannot be said for HD DVD player owners.

By the way, any elaboration on the future-proofing of the Blu-ray specifications are conveniently left out:

http://us.lge.com/superblu/specs.html

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By Hocuspokus

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 8:27 AM

"Why the name calling?"

- Cos you always know Dave is particularly pi*sed off at the short-comings of his beloved company & format being exposed.

" The guy is obviously an idiot if he thinks Profile 1.1 capable players are not backwards and forwards capable."

- You're just making stuff up and lying, again.

When discs are produced to exploit the 'features' that 'profile 1.1' and 'profile 2.0' will allow how the hell can a 'profile 1.0' player be "forwards compatible"?!

The 'profile 1.0' player will never be able to fully use the new discs fully......and with the effects of BD+ that will only create more and more problems over time.

You want to learn a little more about the format you're so in love with.

"Put simply, so even idiots can understand."

- Pity it has failed so abysmally in you case then Dave, huh?

Maybe you'd like to explain how players without the hardware to make use of the 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' features will be upgraded by 'firmwares' to do so?
LMAO.

Then maybe you'd like to come clean about the hardware element of BD+ and explain how that will work without increasing problems on all the 'profile 1.0' player that are out now - bearing in mind there is not a single 'profile 1.1' player on the market right now and that the Blu-ray manufacturers are all in a dishonest rush to bring new non-profile 1.1 players to market before the new Nov deadline?

"Profile 1.1 players will play all the Blu-Ray content available today and in the future."

- Wow, way to try and swerve the point onto something I was (obviously) not saying.

(.....and yeah cos you can see into the future and guarantee each and every instance. Not.
Stop making a fool of yourself Dave.)

In any event the issue is not what profile 1.1 players can or cannot do, the issue is about what profile 1.1 and profile 2.0 will mean to existing profile 1.0 players seeing as that is all there is available and that has bee sold to date.

"Non-Profile 1.1 players will play all Blu-Ray movies available today and in the future."

- No you cannot say that.
You obviously hope that but that cannot be guaranteed.

First of all BD+ is hardware based as well as software and it might well be that the current early generation begin to have more and more problems as it develops.

.....and the dishonesty in this is that the Blu-ray side is advertising BD as having a host of 'advanced features' which will never be usable by the current 'profile 1.0' players....and do you honestly see anyone continuing things like the fake PiP trick?

"Non-Profile 1.1 players will NOT play profile 1.1 features on future discs, but will play all current capabilities, as they do today."

- Precisely, non-profile 1.1 and profile 2.0 players (ie all of them currently on the market) will get left behind and be obsolete machines.

If you're lucky they might at least playback the main movie 'track' in a disc produced in a year or twos time.

"So a non-profile 1.1 player will work excactly the same as it does today, no change."

- Yeah right, give us all saturdays lottery numbers whilst you're doing your 'seeing into the future' magic tricks too, eh?

"Many non profile 1.1 players can be updated to Profile 1.1 units. (mainly 2nd Gen and PS3)."

- Did you think no-one would notice you just made that up?

There is no way any of the current profile 1.0 players out there can just be "updated" (presumably you're trying to imply a firmware update.
Which is laughably ignorant of you)

They might well bring out new versions of existing machines but no-one is getting a software upgrade for something that needs hardware.

.....and who do you thing you're kidding here Dave?
If the PS3 or any of the current players available out there were simply upgradeable in the manner you suggest it would have been shouted from the rooftops long ago as a selling point.

Why do you have to make a complete t*t of yourself by lying about stuff everyone with even a little knowledge about this stuff will know you're lying about, hmmmmmm?

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By DaveGB

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 10:47 AM

BD+ is not changing, current players support it, the standard is finalised, Profile 1.1 players have the same BD+ implementation.

You are basically spreading FUD.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 12:51 PM

"BD+ is not changing, current players support it, the standard is finalised, Profile 1.1 players have the same BD+ implementation".

- Dave if you don't know what BD+ is or how it works then stop making a t*t of yourself pretending that you do.

The whole point of BD+ is that it can evolve and change.

It is also not merely a software based 'system'.

....and quit pretending this is about 'profile 1.1' players or that there are any 'profile 1.1' players out there right now.

The whole point of my posting was about the in-built obsolescence of all of the current Blu-ray players available to buy right now.

Your attempts to swerve this and spin away onto a slightly different point is noted.....as is your reason for this pathetic attempt to dodge the point, again.

There is not a single profile 1.1 or profile 2.0 compliant Blu-ray player out there on the market right now

"You are basically spreading FUD".

- Grow up.

If you're deliberately lying then stop trying to deliberately mislead and lie to people......or is it really just a case of your own crass ignorance?

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By oomingmak

edited Sep 6, 2007 - 9:42 AM

Amen.

Say it bro.

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By SGD

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 9:26 AM

Well said.

If somehow they get it to work via firmware think of the all ready slow load times getting much, much longer but hey it works. Like a game 2 frames per second but hey it runs.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 12:57 PM

How can they get something to work with a simple firmware upghrade if it needs additional hardware, that is not there, to function?

The truth is that if any of the existing Blu-ray players were upgradeable to 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' by mere firmware upgrade it would be a major selling point being done to death in the advertising right now.

They can't which is why you've not heard a peep about it.

In fact what you have seen and heard is a major shifting of the goalposts (ie the shift of the mandatory introduction of 'profile 1.1' into all new Blu-ray players by Oct to Nov) to allow new 'profile 1.0' players to be rushed to market before the new cut-off deadline.

IMO that's nothing less than a shameless act of deception and dishonesty on the part of the Blu-ray people.

Roll up roll up, get your 'a few months off of being obsolete' Blu-ray players here!

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By SGD

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 3:14 PM

That tactic is sickening but not surprising on the part of Sony. I am amazed that the tards do not see this and admit that Houston we have a problem. I wish the general public looking to purchase blo-ray knew thay they are buying something that in all reality is only valid for a couple of months.

The fact that some people here say no big deal so it won't play the addtional content. I would be pissed if I bought something and it produce as advertised.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 7, 2007 - 8:22 AM

"I would be pissed"

- Precisely.....and particularly at the big price-premium the Blu-ray crew reckon their stuff deserves.

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By kashin

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 2:01 PM

"IMO that's nothing less than a shameless act of deception and dishonesty on the part of the Blu-ray people."

Sony and the BD crowd doing something shameless and deceptive?? Perish the thought!!

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By yountmj

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 12:56 AM

What I don't honestly understand is why all the investment by manufacturers to develop, manufacture, and distribute BD players that they know will be obsolete in a few months. Seems like a lot of wasted time, effort, and money to me.

Of course, the strategy of Sony, the BDA, its affiliates, and all their "me too" Smurfs concerning the push behind Blu-ray in general hasn't made much sense from the start, doesn't make sense now, and not much hope of making sense in the future the way things are looking.

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By kashin

posted Sep 6, 2007 - 2:05 PM

"What I don't honestly understand is why all the investment by manufacturers to develop, manufacture, and distribute BD players that they know will be obsolete in a few months. Seems like a lot of wasted time, effort, and money to me."

It's probably cheaper and faster to make a non profile 1.1 compliant player. Once they get it to market before the dead line, it can stay on the market. It's not like they're required to inform potential buyers that their hardware isn't profile 1.1 compliant. When unsuspecting consumers select a BD player to buy, they'll go for the cheaper ones that appear to have a full set of features, even if they're unaware of the missing profile 1.1 compliance. It's all about making a profit, even if it means screwing the customer.

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