No one cares!
Apple has only 4% of market share.
I do not know of anyone that owns an Apple....
I would never own one!

Not bad, tried it out today, and was for the most part, a pleasant experience. More then i can say for Vista (i really can't help but see Vista as... an annoyance, but thats only because i have not had the best experiences with it so far, so yeah, dont tase me bro)

Well here is the deal, I am a computer tech for a big company in Denver, I have used Vista and I find that it works fine. If you use applications that are made to work with it. This seems like a strange concept for windows users because everybody writes software for windows, everybody makes hardware for windows. Mac can just make one product and it should be flawless because...
1. Mac only uses their hardware.
2. Make software is eaiser to write because of this.
3. Knowing you have a limited set of hardware makes development for anything eaiser.

Vista works great on my dell xps m1210 because its designed to work with the hardware. It doesn't crash like everybody thinks it just works. Some of my custom applications crash because they are older programs, but I just close them and sure enough the OS stays up and continues to run.

Vista rarely crashes if you are using well coded software on non faulty hardware.

I say rarely even though my system has never crashed. However, im sure someones has...just not anyone I know. Vista is rock solid.

Whatever operating system you choose, or whichever you prefer, is simply a matter of personal choice or preference. Everybody has their own opinion..........it doesen't make them "right" or "wrong". Mine is neither MacOSX or Windows, but PCLinuxOS 2007. It does everything I want, and my PC works flawlessly. What more could anyone ask for? "Free" vs $129.00 or $299.00........hmmmmmmmm, you might say its a no brainer. :-)

Bingo.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Yes, true! But you also have to consider that the majority of the best programs available are windows based depending on what you work on. The average family might just use a computer for web surfing and simple work or school projects. I, for instance, have used my computer for music production and graphic design and I have tried various version of Linux. They do have programs for free that I can use under that OS but still, it doesn't compare to a windows based program. So, like I said, it just depends on what you use the computer for.

I prefer Windows over anything, Mac...crashes in anything I work on and Linux, its good for simple things, that's just my opinion based on what I need a computer for.

I loaded this on my family's mac mini. Vista is very much more superior for people under 40 years old. mac is great for my mom and grandma because they would get spyware and they only check email anyway.

However, for a young robust computer user, mac is too crippled for a hardcore use. I find osx very annoying.

vista is brilliant and quick. i got mine in june this year, and have had NO problems with any compability problems, mind you i love adobe, audracity (adobe audition) ney kinda interesting and wacky things 18 yrs olds love.

well the thing i realised, i used macs, (my uni has macs, they freeze 80% of the time, crash 70% of the time, and is in service 50% of the time as it 'got something wrong with it).

Windows = smarties who knows how to use computers, who likes to try the latest gadgets avaliable in da markets (from dvd burners to latest VGA cards) and loves to tweak their comps.

Mac = people who are lazy and don't know neything about computers but just wanna open emails and read. do not need to tweak their machines for better responses, can not build their own PCs. (minus the 0.001% of superior designers)

if ur are hardcore, to linux...

I love how they are touting 300 new features for this release and alot of them are really minor. example from Apples official list:
# Empty Trash Button

Empty the Trash from the Trash itself with the Empty Trash button.

There are also 24 features for iChat (including more smileys WOOHOO :) ) which nobody uses anyway. It also touts 6 Brand new screen savers. I'm not saying this is so much better than what Vista brought but I just don't see why these apple fans are touting this release as if it were the second coming of Christ.

Why do people hate microsoft so much? What have they done? Or has Steve jobs just begun sucking everyone off? I really dont get it ... theres nothing special in this service pack release of OS X leopard ... and even WORSE is the fact that OSX copied alot of features in Vista and previous versions of Windows yet no one cares ....

Yet Vista copies the chess game and some widget control and every "critic" and blogtool calls them out on it.

I mean seriously and I quote from another website:

"There are LOTS of Mac OS features that were "inspired" by Windows:

- Fast User Switching (XP)
- Time Machine (Vista; "previous versions")
- Parental Controls (Vista)
- Self-tuning TCP (Vista)
- Signed Executables (Windows 98)
- Native 64-bit (XP 64)
- Translucent full screen DVD controls (Windows Vista)
- Icon thumbnail preview (XP / Vista)
- Front Row (XP; Media Center)
- Core Animation (Vista; WPF)
- Tagging downloaded apps (XP SP2)
- Application-based Firewall (XP SP2)
- Sandboxing (Vista; Protected Mode)
- Library Randomization (Vista; Adress Space Randomization)
- Multiple User Certificates (Windows 2000)
- Advanced searches (Vista)
- Web History Search (Vista)
- Search by Filename (Vista)
- Icon Mode in Open/Save Panels (Windows 95)
- Empty Trash Button (Windows 98)
- Guest Log-In (Windows 2000) "

Are you serious?!?!? Thats 100% Grade A fanboy bullsh*it and you know it.

You are confused beyond belief. I like that list you got from OUTOFYOURASS.COM. You make us laugh, MS fanboy. Go dance for someone who cares monkey. hahahahaha

Where'd you get that? Seeing the source on that would definitely help...

Scratch that, google is my friend:

It was from a comment on engadget.

http://www.engadget.com/...cts-agree-its-all-gravy/

Though there's an interesting article on Paul Thurott's site (yeah, biased, I know) @

http://www.winsupersite....osx_leopard_preview.asp

I do not know anything about Leopard, but:
- Fast User Switching (XP) - Ultrix in 1989
- Sandboxing (Vista; Protected Mode) - every UNIX since very beginning (1969?)
-native 64-bit - I do not remember well but something had to run on SPARC Alpha which was 64-bit. Moreover, 64-bit SUSE was released before XP 64

etc.

Ok. How does that bely his point?

I think the whole "who copied who" thing is BS, I mean, it's all been done. There's nothing new to see...anywhere, but his point was that it seems Apple is now copying MS. Who MS copied it from really doesn't refute that in any way.

I mean, Leopard is somehow related to UNIX, am I right? So it is natural that the creator of Leopard or any other related system would implement sandboxing present in every UNIX, don't you think? 64-bit OSes for workstations have been made from the beginning of the nineties (Tru64) so it is nothing new in the world of 'nix. In fact it have been standard for a decade, so there is no surprise that any 'nix clone will utilize 64-bit. In fact I am surprised that Apple decided to use 64-bits so late!

Believe me that it makes me laugh when the fanboys of Microsoft, Apple or whatever else reinvent the wheel and shout "Wow! What an outstanding thing" :-)

You asked:

"Why do people hate microsoft so much? What have they done? Or has Steve jobs just begun sucking everyone off? I really dont get it ... theres nothing special in this service pack release of OS X leopard ... and even WORSE is the fact that OSX copied alot of features in Vista and previous versions of Windows yet no one cares ...."

Obviously I did not write the following; and I suspect many people may have already seen it, however it seems germane to your question and the topic at hand:

=====================================

If Windows were a car

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating, "If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they painted new lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT," but then you would have to buy more seats.

6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but it would only run on five percent of the roads.

7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "general protect ion fault" warning light.

8. The airbag system would ask, "Are you sure?" before deploying.

9. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the antenna.

10. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally Road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.

11. Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

12. You'd have to press the "start" button to turn the engine off.

=====================================

It's not that we *hate* Microsoft. It's more a matter that there are only two versions of "cars" available and Microsoft owns most of the roads, gas stations, repair shops, replacement parts, etc.

Exactly, *nix for life.

Well I was a Microsoft user for more then 13 years. I'm a developer, and I love to stay at my computer the whole day (and night!)... but recently I've reached a so high stress-level with Windows, that I was actually hating the Microsoft approach.
I switched to Mac. I was in the choice to buy a new PC (Vista was really slow, I had to upgrade) or a Mac. It is not so cheap, but now I'm so happy with my new iMac that I cannot understand how I could have been a Microsoft user for all those years... Mac OS it's really a new world, and in a week of use I've understood why there are a lot of Apple fan out there... a Mac is an awesome computer. There's no comparison with Windows.

You are right however alot the features you speak of have been around way before vista

- fast user (xp)
- time machine (win 2003, xp "Shadow Copies"
- Parental Controls - (NT Group Policy)
- TCP (2k3 server / vista)
- signed exe's technically hacked up in win 95
- native 64 (win 2000 server SP4)
- translucent dvd controls (lol and win media player 11 not vista)
- thumbnail preview (win 2000 and maybe ME i think)
- front row (media center)
- core animation (direct x in vista)
- tagged downloads (sp2, ie 7 anywhere)
- firewall (xp sp2 or win 98 with zonealarm for free)
- sandboxing (2000 safemode heh i know but it is a "sandbox", vista )
- address space randomization has been in use before vista and should of been on apple's os years ago
- advanced searches (ms as well as a million others have indexing tools, as well as indexing has been around for years on server products of windows)
- web history search (ie7 not vista)
- search by filename ( your kidding right? vista?!? this has been around before that friggen yellow dog from bob existed)
- icon mode (windows 3.1)
- empty trash (meaning right clicking on the trash can?? if they just implemted this than we mine as well include a new desktop background as a feature too)
- guest log in (this is iffy you have always had the option to login to win 95/98 simply by clicking cancel at the login prompt as long as there was no gpo specifying not to, nt had a real "guest" account but to this day shouldn't exist and I believe was scrubbed from vista right? and on the mac you could always create a username guest with now rights anyway so this is trivial, they just made a gui for a simple linux user account blahhh I like OS X but why bs your customers, 50 of the most relevant upgrades would of been more than enough to tote.... Apple considers the tinyist of changes a feature, how many open source projects does apple aquire a year ..? how many refernces to the open source projects they used for features appear on there site other than apache / samba / and several of the other obvious ones, time machine is an oss with there gui on it, hell even there os and safari is

my spelling and punc. is way off, dont care to edit, sorry

No, actually. UNIX and BSD(Mach) are related to POSIX. Take a Computer Sci. course.

My sentiments exactly. I've been a PC user/loser since 2002 and come this November 30th I can't wait to switch to a Mac. Mac's are simply the future and light years ahead of Windoze.

Don't hate guys, you know it's true. ^--^

yea i wouldve put the source but i did not want to seem like i was promoting other websites. Nice find on the winsupersite thing, i didnt know thats where it originated.

Yeah... thats pretty messed up.

Who are these so called critics, that claim its "faster" and "easier" to use then Windows. I might agree that some features are easier, but faster certainly not.

And you base your opinion on.....? Thats what I thought.

It's an opinion. It doesn't have to based on anything but his own experience.

Exactly. Its just his opinion. No Facts. No benchmarks.

He has no facts to back up his claim and therefore his comment is nothing more than a fanboy posting whatever ignorant brainwashed notion that has been programmed into his head by the media or propoghanda. Use your head, dont make me laugh.

I just bought a Macbook Pro this past weekend and installed Leopard. It definitely feels more responsive and is much easier to use than Windows. I am very impressed with it. It is by far the best OS i have ever used.

That's it.

You are completely unable to accept that anyone's experience may differ from your own, and thus everyone who claims as much is obviously lying or full of it.

I've got news for you, pal: You're the one that can't use their head. You're so stuck on your own personal take you cannot see anything else. You can't even accept the possibility that anyone could possibly have had a different experience.

Brainwashed??? Both of us have stated opinions and accepted the opinions of others. YOU are the only one who refuses to even consider any opinion other than your own.

Brainwashed....look it up, man. You embody it.

You need help.

2 million suckers paid $130 for a minor OS upgrade that the company delayed in order to make a phone.

Heh... how about the suckers that paid $240 for better security that XP users are getting in SP3 anyway?

there is no SP3

^^^^^^ Looks like we have another Windoze NOOB!
Read the news numbnuts.

It just goes to show that you know nothing and just enjoy spouting your complete MS fanboy ignorance all over these forums. You didnt even know they had an SP3! OMFGYLAMF

Better than paying $320 for Vista Ultimate that everyone hates and doesn't even work properly! Have fun with that! "laughs to the bank"

http://www.microsoft.com...cycle/servicepacks.mspx

Funny, that says there will be an SP3

SP3 security affects only business users in AD.

...and I only paid $189 for mine. :)

Works fine for me. Only paid $189.

Did pull it off and throw XP back on it, (TinyXP), but I change OSes more than most folks change their oil.

Just like everyone, you installed Vista, then uninstalled it, reverting back to XP. Same old story.

...aside form the fact that there wasn't any issue with it. :)

Everything worked. You're trying to tell everyone it just doesn't work.

well you can say that all you want, but the fact that remains is that you uninstalled it and went back to XP, which is what everyone else did too. Except that everyone else had the balls to tell MS that the OS needs major work to be usable. And unless you are living under a rock, go read the user reviews on NewEgg or any other reputable site. Get up to speed buddy.

Look - for the delusional among you who believe the list of Windows "firsts" I say "good night and good luck - enjoy your computing experience. You deserve Windows and Windows deserves you."

Do a bit more research. Had you been using the Mac or Next OS all along, you'd know what came first. And it didn't come from Microsoft.

Just give it up guys. Whomever the grammar-challenged lad who indicated that Mac OS was for older people only... the ignorant have inherited the earth for a while. Hopefully, this will change with an election next year...

Wow.

You're calling me a liar? Telling me I don't have balls? Because I am not kowtowing to the "hey, let's all say Vista is crap and doesn't work!" BS.

You don't know jack about me, pal. The fact is it does work, and for a good many people. Not "everyone else" uninstalled it, and you know it.

You may not like it, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But calling it "crap" and saying "it doesn't work" doesn't make it so.

So what's the deal? In your view, anyone who says Vista works is obviously lying? Full of it? Working for Microsoft? You do realize that all that means is that you have found a nifty excuse to totally ignore any and every viewpoint other than your own, correct? The ultimate in narrow-mindedness.

Get up to speed? Yeah. I'll do that. While I'm off doing that, why don't you try to not be so close minded about other peoples experience and views, even when it goes against your own personal experience. It might do you some good.

Sorry, for those of us that provide help-desk support for our 65 year-old moms, OSX is definately the easier of the two to manage. How can you go wrong with one mouse button?