I am the owner of one of those adult groups MSN is letting go. I don't in any way believe this should be happening. 1) If parents would not only look into, but UTILIZE the child protection utilities not only MSN offered (though very difficult for most people to find!), but also any number of the utilities offered on the web, then this would not be occuring. 2) Being the owner of an adult group, I did NOT allow anyone who did not have a profile that contained at LEAST THEIR AGE. No, this is not perfect, but by not allowing those who didn't list their age, I feel confident that I did what I could to make certain that no underage individuals were able to enter. However, MANY owners of adult groups had no qualms about accepting anyone for membership, regardless of whether or not they listed their ages. This, I believe, is a major cause of what MSN is doing now. If all owners turned away those without ages in their profiles, then this would have never been a problem. - and 3) By disallowing Adult and Mature content to be viewed and participated in by ADULTS, MSN is severly limiting our rights to Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Expression. As far as I'm concerned, this is a disgusting act on their part. If adults want to limit what they see, then THOSE ADULTS can choose to either not visit those sites and groups, or use any of the multitude of blocking programs to keep Mature and Adult content off of their computers. No one needs MSN, Yahoo, or any other web service to prevent their veiwing it.
MSN could have EASILY avoided any of this by not only making it impossible for anyone without their age in their profile to join these groups, including my own; but also by making child-safe technology immediately availiable, rather than simply having a screen giving the choices of "Yes, I'm Over 18" or "No I'm Not". What curious child is going to click onto "No I'm Not"?????? MSN should have know better to begin with about all of this. It would have saved them a lot of time, and saved those of us who choose to participate in Adult and Mature content a lot of grief.

I think this move is rediculous. I can see moving groups that are truly pornographic (there are some strip club groups I have bumped into) but if mature groups are locked then what is the big deal about. If parents used the parental controls on their children's accounts then they wouldn't even be able for find adult groups. I think MSN could also do a better screening process of their users. As a mother of 8 and grandmother of 12 I know it is not impossible to keep up with what your kids are doing it just takes effort. This move is a tremendous infringement on our first ammendment rights and I keep hopinga class action suit will evolve from all this. I am not for pornography at all and if groups I belong to are moved to World Groups I will unjoin as World Groups is a preveryor of pornography...but so much of what is being moved is not pornographic at all just adult...and there has to be room on the internet for adults and children need to be restricted more and this is their parents responsiblity and MSN's obligation not ours!!! I raised my kids and did a fine job and my children are now doing a fine job. I think we all have the right to expect parents to do their job now and quit dumping their responsibilities to raise their children on us. It doesn't take a village to raise a child but an ivolved mohter and father!!!!

So much for "Freedom of Speech" and the First Amendment.
I won't be signing onto MSN anymore!

I strongly feel that removing adult groups will encourage pedaphilliar and abuse that I would has been controled through have adult groups for ppl who wish to let their personal feelings about adult material out. Removing adult groups can and will create a more dangerous enviroment for younger ppl because there will not be a place for these frustrations to be let out, having adult groups give adults a place to let go and feel comfortable about being in a safe place...MSN you will be taking that away and I feel that you will be damaging the ppl who need that privacy.

All MSN is doing is putting the GILD out of business and its not fair for those of us who create tags from the GILD where we pay good money to use the artwork, Thanks a lot MSN you are gonna cause a lot of heartaches in the months to come, I hope you are happy you are making everyone that makes signature tags miserable.

LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD VOTE AGAINST THE WAR ON PORN!!!!

MSNBC is conducting this poll: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9506428/ . For those of us who enjoy our porn, it's an important issue.

It isn't about loving porn..it is about belonging to a community that is for adults only. I am 35 and I feel I have nothing in common with those under the age of 21. I like being able to post my adult humor in the groups. I enjoy being able to post adult content in the group..call it porn..call it whatever..I call it time for myself after spending all day with my children under the age of 10 I am entitled to ADULT time..no matter what that might be. I say keep our adult community..getting rid of it is like a form of discrimination towards the adults and their content!!

I totaly agree with you!

I agree with you Heaven_2_U....it's not about loving porn...it's about having the right to have something adults can have as their own...freedom of speech for one...and not having to worry about the ears or prying eyes of young children whom shouldn't be looking....
I have a pagan group which in turn has many practicing Wiccans. We don't want bible bashers to start on us because children can view our site and be 'changed' by our comments or pictures. And hasn't MSN been coping ok with this already...why can't they continue? Are they passing the responsibility onto someone else? And whats with the credit card thing....why is it that if you want to have an adult conversation....you end up having to pay for the darn thing. They say its only for identification process that they need a credit card.....but I will bet you in the end we will all be paying for the privelege of being an adult. What happened to respect your elders?

msn is starting to suck & WorldGroups suck, we need adult rated communitys for adults only. I am 30 & dont care to even chat to those under 18 or even have them a part of our community. Yhoos user made rooms & msn communitys are two differnt things.

I love the move!!!. though late..Good job MSN.
God Bless everyone behind this decision. Let us together prevent another shower of fire that once rained on Sodom & Gomorrah

Levi

Levi, you had better keep your asbestos vest on - the shower of fire will still come! The only thing is that it will be provoked by World Groups and not Gates's MSN.

levi_justus go to hell

There is a flow in your so called "logic" Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed not moved. The moving of these groups is an extremely temporary solution. The only real solution is to monitor yourselves and your children. Apparently not enough people monitor their children and to many so called religious fanatics feel self righteous in the procaliming of this so called good deed? I suppose book burning is at the top of these people's list of fun activities.

JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IF YOU'RE A MINORTY GROUP, YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT.

THESE MORAL MORONS ARE PROBABLY THE FIRST ONES TO GO HOME AND DRESS UP IN THEIR LEATHER PANTS AND HAVE THEIR WIVES OR BOY FRIENDS BEAT THEM.

THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL GET RAINED ON ARE THE MORAL MINORITY.

I believe that youngsters and others who are offended by adult content should not be exposed to it - not even by accidently stumbling upon a site.
But I want access to adult material and, as an adult, i abhor censorship.
It seems to me that the only fair solution is to restrict access by confining adult material to its own group of sites.

It will be a huge disruption when we are forced to move our group, which is very careful not to allow anything obscene or disgusting onto its site but will still probably be affected.

However the MSN system has never been satisfactory - it sometimes grinds to a halt, people are bounced out of the chat room or can never manage to enter it - and any email messages take about a day to filter through.

Added to the fact that we have these strange nanny-like people in charge of the operation, I think it will be a lot better when we are no longer with MSN. They have always been about as good as their operating system software - and the quality of that has made me a Mac user!

Comment on MSN's November plans:
why must the majority be punished for the sins of a minority? MSN say, they want sites to be acceptible to all, so what about the naturists? What about innocents who use the net for communication and chat to lovers and friends about the more personal side of human nature?
I manipulate photographs in tasteful and sometimes humorous ways to entertain my acquaintances, and this often includes nude people (men & women)but never anything that can be called obscene (sexual acts).
Sadly, it seems, we are now being told what we are allowed to say to our friends (or this is how it sounds).
How can MSN be unbiased towards its users when it restricts what they are allowed to do or say. I accept the bad language point, I don't like to hear swearing either; but as for moving all "adult content" (nudists and artists) to a site that, I suspect, will be infiltrated by perverts is an insulting and Hitlerish act.
It would be better, though a little more expensive (but MSN can afford it) to have monitors checking sites at random and removing the obscene, or punishing miscreants without removing the majority's freedom of choice.

i really hope msn is reading all of our replies, DON'T U GET IT MSN, IF THE KIDS WANT PORN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THEY CAN STILL FIND IT ON THE WEB SO LEAVE OUR GROUPS ALONE

i think what msn is doing is totally stupid. kids can find porn or whatever easily on the internet search so why bother moving or closing the adult or mature groups. the groups i am in are titled adult or mature and are private coz we don't want kids in our groups and even tho none of our stuff is really bad its our work and don't want to give anyone the freedom to access them unless we want them to. msn isn't avoiding anything by doing this. if kids want to see the bad stuff they can find it anywhere on the net. so msn should just leave everything alone.

This move is about as idiotic as trying to put on your socks after your shoes are already on. MSN has features on its group sites that prohibate minors from being allowed to view the supposed "adult content." The groups in question could easily monitor the members from seeing the mature content by simply not making the group public and having the join up have to be approved by a manager.
If indeed MSN plans on doing this stupid move They will never again get a single penny of my money. Their service and tech support is non existant anyway and the money anyone gives them is purely for extra storage.

Excellent!!

Way to go!!!

MSN has the right to do as it pleases (and what pleases it's stockholders), even if what pleases them annoys me. I choose to be arbitrator of good taste (or extremely bad taste)on my sites...so I say "Hello, Worldgroups! and [expletive deleted] MSN!" :)

You have to be kidding me. What more can we do as a society until we fight back the freedom of speech and censorship. They can show a naked Dennis Franz on NYPD blue in the shower, FOX can air a show with explicit language during prime time " Over there", Howard Stern can be fined for an utterance in a show. When will it stop. As if the money hungry Microsoft crew don't spend hours researching adult content online. If they didn't they wouldn't know about it. The adult entertainement industry is one of the top 10 biggest money producing industries in this countries. Our moral society needs to take a look at itself and realize at some put we are being taken for a ride. Please stand up and fight for your rights as an American, that is if you think you have any left.

Us Brits have the same problem!
If kiddies get on porn sites it just shows the parents how bad they are at their job, not to have taught them basic morals, or to have no control over the actions of their offspring; and they (the parents) should be punished if their children are caught successfully accessing "adult" sites.

Buck MSN... Let Microsoft sensor its own arse.nal of puritains. I use hotmail as a dump box to filter possibility of spam before I register with other mail accounts. You should see the amount of rizts I get. If the "men in black" Micro suits close down adult portions of there sites or any others for that matter, lets move and dump them to. If one closes, ten others open anyways... Sorry for the mistakes, English not being my main language.

I think that MSN has a right to say it doesn't want to represent sexually explicit material that anyone can get to. It's pathetically easy to make a hotmail account and lie about your birthday and be able to get into any of the MSN groups. I know, I've done it. And there are some groups out there that are not appropriate for anyone. MSN is making a wise decision for its company as well as for its users in getting rid of this content. It's a hassle to go through and look at every individual one, there are just too many. By moving (not completely closing down) the ones rated Mature and Adult MSN is simply transferring the weight to another shoulder.

I must say, MSN has pulled a good one this time. For one they are picking and choosing which groups to close.
We have (had) a Mature Group, Not Adult sleeze, just nice signature tags to be proud of Games and lots of fun. We're a family. been here for 5 years.
We come here to relax and have a good time. Losing the Group, I don't mind say Hurts like hell.
Now it seems that We along with recipe groups, if you can believe that, have been rated Adult. Why, because we cuss.
You don't think for 1 minute that if a kid wants to see naked women he can't find it. What century are you living in?
I don't think it's Our responsibility to be BABYSITTERS for a bunch of perverted kids. What they need is their parents to
open their eyes, and find out just what they been doing on that PC of theirs.

There are still a lot of groups, that Need to be rated Adult that aren't. A lot of groups out there that are hording Copyright Images that MSN
flatly refuses to acknowledge.
But maybe thats because their own sites, http://ilovemessenger.msn.com/ have so much copyrighted display images and icons.
MSN needs to wake up a bit and Practice what they Preach.
And what's the next step MSN.
I don't guess I'll be needing all that space now. So you can take my membership, and stick it where the sun don't shine.

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I feel this is sensor ship and a violation of our rights to freedom of speech. This sensorship just goest to show me that we as Americans are losing our rights to big business and those with big bucks. I do not condone nor am I against such sites. I feel it is up to parents and individuals to monitor which chats and sites the go to. I do not believe that MSN or any other company should have the right to tell us how to live, chat, or communicate with each other. I know of many who are opposed to this type of sensorship especially when companies such as MSN can't eve fulfill their customers needs to begin with. Many of the users of MSN can either not get to their chat groups, their hotmail, web sites, or even use their IM's to communicate nearly half of the time. I think that MSN should worry about getting these things set right long before they consider sensoring what a person does and that they should NEVR EVER interfere in the first admendment rights of the poeple or the rights of any perso to express themselves.

I AGREE WITH THIS WHOLE HEARTLY!
THANK YOU MSN!

I’m seeing a lot of people worried that their mature-themed sites are going to end up as part of an adult site, hello??? Stoners – put the J down! Have you read the Worldgroups site? We’ve all existed for years in one big porn ghetto (called MSN Groups), at least now, with what it appears MSN is doing, we’re going to have our own area where we can cus and spit and show art, for that I think MSN gets a cookie ;) I run two ok-sized groups, both for adults – BUT NOT PORN! One’s a digitally-enhanced nude art group and the other a chopper site. The first one has thousands of stunning nude photographs that I’ve taken over the years – NOT PORN, BUT ART!, pics that I’ve digitally modified to mimic forms and styles of my other passion – motorcycles. This other group is where me and all my tattooed and leather(y) buddies who like to ride and build our choppers shoot the sh*t (you can imagine our language isn’t always “proper” …that’s why we got booted from regular MSN groups – we’re all gutter mouths ;) ). So finally, with Worldgroups, no more kids that I don’t want, no porn or child porn or crap all around us, just trash talking riders and aficionados of “nude chops.”. THANKS to MSN for finally letting us be respected ADULTS and not porn dudes (finally, someone “gets it”) – this new “Unfiltered” section (see the WG site and below) will work out just perfectly! To me, it’s a match made in chopper heaven! SIGN ME UP!

(from the Worldgroups site)
NEW 'UNFILTERED' SECTION: If you operate or belong to a group that might violate the policies of your current Group platform, yet is not sexually explicit in nature, locate your group in the new 'Unfiltered' category. 'Unfiltered' is the censorship-free zone where adults can talk about adult topics in an environment free from children. Learn more . . .

I have 12 groups on MSN, listed as private, and of adult nature, and even though we screen members as much as possible there is no way to know for sure that the person your letting in is an adult, just because they have a paid account doesnt mean squat now does it, so what would be the difference on worldgroups?, my dollar says squat .....same as MSN.....the big difference here is the "new' features offered, and I have to ask myself .....what the hell are children going to be looking at now??..you can't sit there and tell me there is no children on MSN right now in adult groups ...sitting back in anticipation of a whole new world of porn, movies, let alone the "unwanted trash" we try to keep away from them ....its not gotten any better, in fact its a heck of a bigger problem than ever before ....I wont be allowing any new members once we move,and I will be looking for an alternative site well away from this rubbish.
when we went to paid chat, it was in the spirit of keeping children away from this venue of entertainment and we paid for it ......you have to wonder who is going to pay for it now ...

Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support. This is Alvin and I will be assisting you today.

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you.

Regarding your inquiry about MSN Adult Groups, there have been speculations about our plans for MSN Adult and Mature-rated Groups. We hope that the responses to the frequently asked questions below will answer your concerns:

Will MSN Adult Rated Groups be Shut Down?
MSN will no longer host adult contents, but it does not mean you cannot continue to enjoy Adult Groups. We will provide the tools for you to move your Group to a new service that contains new and improved features. Details on how to take advantage of the new service will be made available soon. Please check your Groups email address and the Whats New section for updates.

Why are you shutting Adult Groups down?
MSN services are used by a broad audience with over 420 million unique users visiting MSN each month worldwide. In an effort to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers, we decided to make these changes to MSN Groups. Hosting and developing communities for adult content is not an area of expertise for MSN.

What if my Group contains no porn?
The new service will allow users to choose from two options. A site for adult rated content (including sexually explicit material) and a site for mature-rated content (no sexually explicit material). You get to decide which one is appropriate for your Group and your needs. MSN Adult Groups today mixes both, but the new service will allow you to choose the category that best fits your needs.

Does this apply to Mature-Rated or any other Groups?
Only adult rated Groups will be affected. If your Group is rated Mature it will not change.

Is this the first step in shutting down the rest of Groups?
At this time, we are transitioning Adult Groups but there are no other changes to MSN Groups. Today there are multiple places to share information with groups of people on MSN including MSN Spaces and MSN Groups. We are committed to continue providing a place for our customers to connect with each other in group settings.

Who will provide the new service?
To ensure the Adult Group communities needs are met, we will be working with a third-party service who specializes in hosting and developing communities for adults, whether that means sexually explicit material or simply adults wanting to be an environment free from minors. We will be providing details of the new service provider soon.

Will I have to pay for this service?
No. The core service will be provided at no additional cost and will offer additional features not currently available in Groups. For example, unlike the storage limits on Groups, the new service will place no restrictions on storage for photos or even videos.

So what is this rumor I have heard about credit cards?
You will continue to see the MSN Adult Groups that you are a member of if they have been moved to the new service. You will not need to verify your age with a credit card to access the content you already have access to. However, to ensure that minors are not able to access inappropriate content, you will be asked to verify your age using a credit card if you wish to see content in some NEW adult-content types, but there is certainly no obligation for you to do this.

Will I have to rebuild my Group from scratch?
Not at all. We have been working hard to build an easy way for you to move your content with one-click conversion to the new service and maintain your content and membership.

Will my Group be moved without my permission?
Absolutely not. We will ask you for your permission to move any content to the new service and will not move anything unless you or your Group Manager tell us it is OK.

What do I need to do?
For now, continue to enjoy MSN Groups. We will notify our users through e-mail and the Whats New Section in the near future. The new service offers a much richer experience for our Adult Groups users at no additional cost and more choice in the classification of your Group. We will make it easy for you to ensure you do not have to start your Group from scratch. We will keep you updated.

If you have other concerns, please feel free to write us back.

Thank you for using MSN Groups.

Sincerely,

Alvin
MSN Groups Technical Support

MSN Groups has comprehensive online help available to you. For more information about features, functions, and issues, click the Help link at the top of any Groups page along with Home and My Groups.

i have to go along with it is the PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY that those who are underage not have access to anything that is deemed "pornographic". i am the mother of 3 & it seems that so far even though i am a member of many Adult comms, i have been able to keep them safe from their eyes being gouged out by unsavory sites till they were ADULT enough to make up their own minds. i take offence that there is a limited group that feels they are better at it than i am. i still have an 11 yr old at home and she is MATURE enough to know she doesn't want to take part in the Adult coms. but money will do what it wants and it just wants MORE money.

I agree.

Since when has MSN become a parental authority (like WalMart would like to be)? It's not MSN's job to babysit kids, it's up to the parents to pay attention to what their kids are doing online...Not to mention, there's been how many TV news reports on how kids have internet connections in their bedrooms? Changing MSN's policy can't do a thing unless parents start paying attention...nytechchyld, you should be teaching a course on how to take responsibility for what your kids view online...I'm sure you'd make a lot of money at it, and it'd be more useful than MSN's measures to "protect" children from "unsavory" content

At least MSN is trying, which is a lot more than the parents seem to be doing.

I understand that some people are reporting that their Adult sites have been closed. Anyone with Adult sites have any information on that?

Oh well, that will cut down on half the crap i get from lurkers who filch my details from groups, and try and entice me. Sad to see my groups go but, thats the way of it.

I belong to an MSN private site, which shows surgery pictures .... some of which, show breasts and b/c of this, the site is considered "adult" in content. But just b/c it is considered "adult" doesn't mean that it is porn and I am appauled that it would be in the same category as porno and our site will be moved, more than likely.

Definitly a Big Brother thing ..... whatever happened to America being free again?!? Oh yeah .... Big Brother took over .... along with the Patriot Act.

I am shoked that you are going to close down naturist groups that are set up for true naturists to meet.
There are a lot of good groups out there that will not alough pornographie such as my own group
http://groups.msn.com/TheLincolnshireNaturistClub
The groups that you should be closing are the groups that give clean groups like naturist groups a bad name.

I am sorry but msn have gone to far this time and will loose lots of members to other groups.

With you all the way. but I also run a members only site, not porno but it does contain some pictures that prudes may find unpalatable. I am an artist who had turned to digital photo-manipulation and fear being lumped in with the perverts of the world. An unfair act. Next they will be charging us for the priviledge

I think this is just rediculious,what happend to feedom of speech and the ability to use OUR own common sense? If msn is going to do this then why were there filters on the group settings for General, Mature and Adult topics. Where are people suppose to go that depend on these groups .. what happens to people who need support and find it with in a MSN group community? There's a reason why there were filters .. why take that away from people?? I don't get it but what ever .. guess we're just a herd of sheep that the government and big corporations like to push around. I would hate to see what is next for MSN..they'll end up taking away the IM video becuase people are not using it the RIGHT way. Might as well remove TV's and radios from the home because there's just as much adult content there as on the internet. I thought it was the PARENTS job to make sure their child was refraining from content that was not suited for them. Just goes to show ya that we really don't live in a free country .. they just say it's free to apease everyone.

Sapphyre wise words...
And as you know Parents can't watch over their kids 24/7
It's only a shame to see how many people hide behind the word Parents. If I sign up for a Adult group I know I step into something which also contains porn and everything the word porn comes with it. If I sign up to have a adult page not related to porn than still I know I go into the same 'red-light-house' So I know very well what I'm doing and could have make the choiche to move on to find maybe a general group or not even MSN. Now it is maybe closing down and suddenly every body "I didn't know of what was going on withing the Adult Groups". Blame everybody but yourself.
MSN is playing parent now and want to move their 'kids' to a safer place. What would you do as parent if your out of control, just thinking "ah let it go" or taking action? Here it seems that everybody knows of what is going on but not doing anything. Be happy another parent is taking over and hopefully with help of everybody holding of the bad elements to give a chance using another word as adult for your group best would be porn group, sex group, just by the name and not hinding behind Adult.

Umm NOT every adult based group is not always about Porn, or sex.

Excuse me, but not every Adult rated group on MSN is porn. I run a PSP group and many of the artists that we have permission to use the artwork of does contain nudity. Does that make it porn? No, I don't think so. Nothing that is used is sexually graphic, it's just artwork with nudity. The discussions in the groups are not sexual or graphic in nature either because what is discussed is info about PSP and artists as well as sharing of tags. The only reason we are required to have an adult rating is because of the artwork with nudity. I also disagree with what was said about MSN needs to be the parent. No they don't. It's not their responsibility. It's the responsibility of the parents at home. Anyone that says that the parents can't watch their kids 24/7 is trying to push the blame to others for their own unruly kids. Let me tell you, when I was growing up, my parents watched everything that I did. To say that you can't watch what your kids do is BS. Cable and Satellite both come with parental controls so that you can block out inappropriate channels. Computers can be set with passwords, internet providers offer the options to not let kids access certain sites, there are net nanny programs. It's not MSN's responsibility to watch other people's kids. Take responsibility for your own kids and stop letting the TV and computer babysit your kids for you.

I am appalled at the comments that all Adult groups are about porn! It would appear that some that are posting do not even to bother reading any of the other posts and choose to limit their perceptions and reasoning to an overly simplified answer. There are many communities/groups that are about PSP(PaintShopPro)/Adobe Graphics/and Photoshop. They use and manipulate (the ©Artist's viewpoint) ©Artwork to create new images. Most Tags/Sigs/Stats/Headers (creations) are of a PG/Mature status, but because we honour the ©Artist's request of "linking" their website with the image used, we often have to post a link that is classified as Adult. If an ©Artist has only 1 image that contains nudity, MSN classifies it as adult. Managers/Groups are/were only honouring MSN guidelines while honouring the wishes of the ©Artists. While I am aware that there are MANY porn groups to be found in MSN groups, there were still plenty of PSP groups (with various classifications) to be found there as well. Many of the talented ©Artists have designed covers for books and magazines (such as Marvel™ and DC Comics™). They are legitimate ©Artists and deserve the respect we try to give them. Please do NOT EVER call what they do as porn!
Stop over simplifying everthing you read into the most easy and convient package possible. There are many sides to a situation, and one poster (commentor) offended me by what he wrote. Just because you go to an Adult group does not mean that you will definately see pornagraphy!

I am a manager of several msn psp groups all of which are rated adult.I have always followed Msn guidelines concerning rating and always supported the artist who have been so wonderful to allow us to use their work . But my groups are in no way pornographic. And they are private and unlisted. You have to been known to a manager to be accepted and there are no children in my groups. Therefore there should be no problem. Apparently access is not at the root of the problem here. A form of censorship is. I dont think Msn has considered the backlash that will ensue from the move of all the adults groups. I for one refuse to pay for censorship and I do pay Msn now to have extra storage for my groups. The groups that they now are planning on moving without my consent. I will never give my consent . I have worked years to build those groups and rather than have Msn delete them I will do it myself if it comes to that.So please donot lump all things adult in with porn. They are not the same thing especially from a psp standpoint. You are right on the mark Jaden Good luck !

I am one of those artists, and have responded to many other comments before this.
Can there not be a site/group specifically for artists so our nude work and "family" work can be exhibited without fear of being grouped with perverts? Art galleries do it in every town in the world, so what is different with the internet? kiddies go to art galleries, don't they?
My site contains poetry, too; but partly due to MSN's lack of consideration, I have moved my group to Yahoo and to view it you have to be invited, so no kiddies ever see it. A logical solution?
Finally, be thankful MSN does not control the press, there are naked and half-naked women in many of the world's papers, too.

I see big brother is at it again!
Trying to control people............

My opinion on the attempt to keep people under the age of consent out of a group is the responsability of the parent.
A childs internet serfing time should be limited to a certain time...say, after supper. And during that time, one or both parents should be sitting with (or nearby) the child to see what kind of places they go to.

If the parent glances over and sees something they think the child shouldn't be looking at, they walk over, take the mouse away from the child (so they can't click the close button) and send the child away while they promptly add the url to the block list on the parental controls built into most major browsers, AND the block list of the firewall.

Then again, I find that "parental controls" are for the kids to block their parents from finding out what they've been doing on the web. At least that's the case in my family.

ok a lil confused here. i am an adult rated group manager yet there isnt porn (but plenty of profanity) on my site. did msn not to go pay chat to try to control the non stop spamming and minors, amongst other things, that got onto their server? and then we had the option (still paying here ok?) to rate how we wanted our groups listed. and (still paying msn) they now want us to move our groups to an ADULT site not associated with msn? is this correct? i dont want my group associated with a site that contains PORN on it! i dont understand why get us to pay to chat then start taking away what little msn has to offer aside from chat, groups, and email. we are down to chat, and email. some of us spent a lot of time and effort making some wonderful groups through msn and now its just...GET OUT? what about adult rated groups with no such porn in them? mine was rated adult due to language and to make sure minors did not attempt to apply to join (which mine is). what if we dont move our group to the new site and it is adult rated? does msn shut it down or what? can ppl still apply to join if not?

The way it has been stated...MSN is moving it not the owners...one day you will just go to your group and it will not be on MSN any more it will have a new address at World Groups. There is no choice. I still don't know if this is true or not as I have seen no official notice from MSN and have heard claims that the posts containing correspondence from MSN are fake...so it is a wait and see situation. I do know that you are now unable to change a group rating from Adult to mature or anything else.

"I do know that you are now unable to change a group rating from Adult to mature or anything else. "
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Hi, Maybe MSN made the sudden change Thursday, in the face of all the flying rumors.
Maybe it was to stop a panic rush of adult rated groups , trying to change their adult groups to general groups! A good move too on MSN's Part. They Already have too many people targeting GeneraL groups NOW ON PURPOSE with adult content. That problem wont go away either by moving out Adult communities From It's Msn Server! . Now it will go back to the old days of Group Shuttering. Because if World Groups is not a scam..And they require a credit card to prove age, I dont see people doing that! I wouldnt give my credit card
info to any website. Certainly not one classed as a Porn site. So that means Msn will only have double the problems they have now with adult content getting into General groups, they wont have the buffer of an Adult community. People will set up Adult in all remaining communities and hide till someone complains, the only thing Msn acts on is a Complaint.So it may get worse before it get better. Adult communites worked. Msn didnt do certain things they could have done to make it more child proof.I am supicious of WGS I wouldnt send my content in tact as is to WGS Even If Msn assures,you it is ok to do so! Back the content up and clean out your group! You can always re-add if later if WGS is a place you want your community to stay. For these Reason.

1) you can't agree with the regst. info you may have to give..credit card for one..If your required to consent to move your group to WGS first then the very first time you go to log into it the age proof with a credit card comes up, woo-hoo you may have just given your group contents and all to a place your locked out of. Back up your content dont move a full group you might wished you now had cleared later. Read all the site rules and the regst. should come before you agree to move your group to WGS, Find out if your current membership will have to at any point show a credit card before they can get in your group. Otherwise you might not even have members to maintain a group for. If you cant agree the Move is for you.. Be sure to wipe your group before you delete it . There may be a limited time for you to even do this ... before MSN locks Adult groups that didnt agree to move. Respect your members and protect them from having personal images they may have posted going and falling into anyones hands deleted all images of real Members. Read all the fine print before u agree to move if uncomfortable,
delete your group and move on! Time will tell if this is gonna even happen.. MSN as usual is staying nothing.

I recently changed mine from mature to general. So I do believe you can still change it.
And Msn will be asking the owners to move as well at least that is what i read. they won't just move it you as the owner have to move it.

My mother taught me (as I am sure all of you have heard in your time as children) "Do as I say and not as I do. You are the child and I am the adult and you will do as you are told not as you wish."
That was the rule in our house and I turned out just fine. I will not go into specifics but I went to college and my earnings are more than comfortable. This alone is more than the young people of today are doing. I owe everything that I have and everything that I am to my mother. She told me who I could and couldn't be friends with, I didn't understand then but I sure do now. She wanted to know where I went at night and who I was with and I had to be home at a REASONABLE hour (which never went past 11:00 pm). She gave me limits, phone limits, television limits, even limits on how many activities I could do in one weekend. I got a job at 14 to understand the value of a dollar and to learn the valuable skill of time management. She provided what I needed. I purchased what I 'wanted' but was not necessary, only if I had the money. No one gave me a car at graduation, instead I got savings bonds and my parents paid for my tuition. I got a job to pay for my food and clothing and anything extra that came up. I have friends who have children that are purchasing X-Box games for thier kids that would disgust most of you and wonder why their child is getting thrown out of school for fighting.

We watch as the game manufacturers make these games that parents purchase for their children to play on their X-box (that Jr. got for christmas) and wonder why children are killing children in school.

We watch while the musicians and groups that make a song out of killing police or killing "Your Mamma" become more and more famous because parents buy these CD's for their children to listen to and wonder why children are killing children in school.

Parenting was parenting in the past. If you did something unacceptable you got punished. Today if you do something unacceptable you get therapy. Children are not dumb people. From the start they are testing their world...trying to learn what the boundaries are, how much they can get away with, all young mammals do human children are no different. Children NEED boundaries in their world to show them what is acceptable. I understand all this. I am not saying that children should not have Role Models or should not be given examples or lead by example. The only thing I am saying is, "Parents, you are your first line of defense!" It is your responsibility to know what your children are doing, who they are talking to, what they are seeing when they 'get online'. There is high quality software that can be purchased (there are even free versions but for something this important spend a dime!) to help you block unwanted sites or images from their access. Why should we responsible adults, that want to act like adults and talk about adult things, (No I am not talking about cyber sex or Kinky Porn or anything like that just topics that children should not be a part of. Words that children should not hear to repeat until they are adults and can make the decision whether to use them or not) be persecuted along with the XXX sites???

There has to be LINE drawn somewhere or soon we will be persecuted for anything done or said that is not in agreement with the majority. We will not have the freedom to choose. One day all of you will wake up and some will want to move to a different state and have to apply. Or some will want to choose a new career only to be told no you are best where you are. Not all of us in MSN Adult groups are depraved sicko’s as you are classifying us. We are responsible adults using the "Adult" classification to keep your children from what we talk about or the art we use (I say art because they are art. They are drawings or paintings...they are not naked models or playboy centerfolds or Penthouse photos.) or the topics we discuss.

We have become a country of extremes...first we remove the pledge of allegiance from our schools because it contains the phrase "One Nation Under God" and now we are passing a bill that says anything that simulates or even suggests intercourse or something sexual will be classified as porn! When did the neighbor become responsible for what your children gain access to? What happened to the line? Did you see the line move?
When did the act of making love, the act of creation itself, become Porn?
Did you see the line move? When did God become the enemy instead of the protector? The Father? The PARENT that we all strive to please, strive to do the ACCEPTABLE thing for?

There are many other things I could add here but this has gone long and I will have fallen into the category of posts that "make your eyes glaze over" as one person has already stated. I am not your enemy people. Adult web sites are not your enemy. We are our own enemy. We have shut our eyes or cracked them only enough to see the parts we want to see and not the whole picture. Punish the guilty not the crowd, not the innocent.

I agree with sappyre.When did the line move?It has been moving for some time now.It is fast becoming a government by the government and not for the people.We get false information,poor and bad leadership,corruption and more controled every year.We have leaders who tell us lies and don't rely on good or scientific information.We have corrupt business people in bed(can I say that now)with corrupt elected officials telling us one thing while they do whatever they want to,examples:sexual misconduct,sweetheart deals,payoffs,and total disregard for "we the people".They think that they know what is good for us,when it is what is good for them.Wake up people or we will think that we have been moved to a communist country and soon.

What a thoughtful, insightful commentary.
Thank you!

Candice

GuysGuysGals, c’mon, what in the world! Everyone’s being a ChickenLittle! (iN ADVANCE, SORRY FOR THE LENGTH, BUT THIS MIGHT SAVE YOU TIME INSTEAD OF READING ALL THE WRONG INFO BELOW.) You’re complaining about having to rebuild your group when WorldGroups takes over, you’re complaining about having to pay for storage, you’re complaining about no features, you’re complaining about having to “redo” your groups, you’re complaining about not being a “porn” group (so why is MSN forcing you to a “porn” site), you’re complaining about being thrown into a site with child porn…Come on! Every single one of these issues is addressed in their public statements.

So, let me summarize:
- go here to see who they are talking about working with: http://www.worldgroups.com/ Not entirely sure who they are but by the looks of the owner of the website, these guys are no schlock outfit, not likely MSN would work with anyone that wasn’t best-in-class – see: http://www.responsiblemediatechnologies.com/ These guys look like they are ‘the bomb’ and as Ed pointed out, this could be a huge attempt by MSN to maintain a hold on this area of the site without really “keeping it,” in other words, “is this really another company?”
- the features on WorldGroups include: free UNLIMITED storage (no more multiple ID’s on MSN just to get around their stupid limitations), an “unfiltered” section for everyone with a non-porn group, but one with a mature theme (in other words, no porn, but “adult art” and adult themes and language are cool, but, bottomline, looks like you can go there and BE AN ADULT without encountering anything like porn
- “one click conversion” Sounds like what it is – EASY. No rebuilding a group, no redoing the whole site, one click sounds like they’ve made it easy and seemless for all of us. (Btw, I’ve had my group going for 3 years, around 3500 members, maybe 1000 active, and I have spent more time than I can justify ;) developing it, I’m here because Y! sucks and MSN gave us some tools, but if the new guys are near as good as MSN, I’m going to be stoked.
- On the child porn stuff, go to their owner site, the Responsible Media…..site – they don’t do that stuff, which is more than you can say about Yahoo and Google, looks like MSn is doing the right thing here finally. Get rid of this scourge, yeah.
- They talk about new features on the WorldGroups home page, but then don’t explain them too much, but it doesn’t matter, they are NEW FEATURES – when is the last time MSN gave us any new features??? Maybe this is a case where MSN wanted to give us more but to do so it would appear they were trying to “grow” their adult business…not too “butterfly” is it?, so they “move” to a new service…hmmm?
- Guys – VIDEO, unlimited storage! Almost a “new millennium” upgrade huh? Unlimited storage? If I’m reading this right, along with the “Playlister” feature they are talking about, sounds like a smokin’ iPod for video.

Makeup your own minds, but I’m staying put. I wish MSN would tell us when this will happen, but I’ll wait, WHY? Cuz there’s nowhere else to go that even flirts with the features they are talking about giving us here… Sorry for how long this got, but man, just stp reading all the crap on this board and LISTEN TO THE FACTS. Here, see the letter I got from them.

Hello,

Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support.

This is Dolores and I will be assisting you today.

Regarding your inquiry about MSN Adult Groups, there have been speculations about our plans for MSN Adult and Mature-rated Groups. We hope that the responses to the frequently asked questions below will answer your concerns:

Will MSN Adult Rated Groups be Shut Down?

MSN will no longer host adult contents, but it does not mean you cannot continue to enjoy Adult Groups. We will provide the tools for you to move your Group to a new service that contains new and improved features. Details on how to take advantage of the new service will be made available soon. Please check your Groups email address and the Whats New section for updates.

Why are you shutting Adult Groups down?

MSN services are used by a broad audience with over 420 million unique users visiting MSN each month worldwide. In an effort to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers, we decided to make these changes to MSN Groups.

Hosting and developing communities for adult content is not an area of expertise for MSN.

What if my Group contains no porn?

The new service will allow users to choose from two options. A site for adult rated content (including sexually explicit material) and a site for mature-rated content (no sexually explicit material). You get to decide which one is appropriate for your Group and your needs. MSN Adult Groups today mixes both, but the new service will allow you to choose the category that best fits your needs.

Does this apply to Mature-Rated or any other Groups?

Only adult rated Groups will be affected. If your Group is rated Mature it will not change.
Is this the first step in shutting down the rest of Groups?

At this time, we are transitioning Adult Groups but there are no other changes to MSN Groups. Today there are multiple places to share information with groups of people on MSN including MSN Spaces and MSN Groups. We are committed to continue providing a place for our customers to connect with each other in group settings.

Who will provide the new service?

To ensure the Adult Group communities needs are met, we will be working with a third-party service who specializes in hosting and developing communities for adults, whether that means sexually explicit material or simply adults wanting to be an environment free from minors. We will be providing details of the new service provider soon.

Will I have to pay for this service?

No. The core service will be provided at no additional cost and will offer additional features not currently available in Groups. For example, unlike the storage limits on Groups, the new service will place no restrictions on storage for photos or even videos.

So what is this rumor I have heard about credit cards?

You will continue to see the MSN Adult Groups that you are a member of if they have been moved to the new service. You will not need to verify your age with a credit card to access the content you already have access to. However, to ensure that minors are not able to access inappropriate content, you will be asked to verify your age using a credit card if you wish to see content in some NEW adult-content types, but there is certainly no obligation for you to do this.

Will I have to rebuild my Group from scratch?

Not at all. We have been working hard to build an easy way for you to move your content with one-click conversion to the new service and maintain your content and membership.

Will my Group be moved without my permission?

Absolutely not. We will ask you for your permission to move any content to the new service and will not move anything unless you or your Group Manager tell us it is OK.

What do I need to do?

For now, continue to enjoy MSN Groups. We will notify our users through e-mail and the Whats New Section in the near future. The new service offers a much richer experience for our Adult Groups users at no additional cost and more choice in the classification of your Group. We will make it easy for you to ensure you do not have to start your Group from scratch. We will keep you updated.

If you have other concerns, please feel free to write us back.

Thank you for using MSN Groups.

Sincerely,

Dolores
MSN Groups Technical Support

finadguy11......
HAHAHA... Boy have i got some Beach Front Property for you in ARIZONA..Hahaha...
First of All you don't even know if that Tech letter is anything but a chain- letter..
MSN HAS MADE NO OFFICAL STATEMENT AT ALL YET!
I can show you another tech letter that says WGS is a Hoax! And on it goes! WGS could be something owned by MSN !MSN wont ever say it's a porn intertainment provider Ever.. And makes good biz sense not to! So I guess you should ask yourself , what is the catch here? Why would any one give you free never ending Storage? Why ? Well there may be several reasons why..Sounds too good to be true? It will
cost something... Maybe your privacy for starters! Dont believe everything you read!
Holy Hanna Dude!lol

I cannot agree more! I have several roleplay groups under both adult and mature with thousands of members across them all. I am philosophical about the entire situation. If I gotta move I gotta move. And who wants to run a group that is forced to cater for kids anyway?
The Angelic Knight.

Nevermind, see where you changed above.

I Run An Adult Group, how easy will it be to change to new provider, and what about by members finding us

They say world groups is free, but you have to give credit card details, what if you dont use credit cards?????????????

painted rose
i have gone to the website and it doesn't ask for anything yet becuz nothing on the homepage is available yet. every link on the page says comming soon. here go to it
www.worldgroups.com
try it it will say comming soon

Lady Sylvia, I've heard that WG will be in operation as of 28th November 2005, but transfer of groups will start in October

One last comment before I head off to bed......

Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want......It is the realization of how much you already have :-)

Tomorrow is a new day, hope you all find something in it to make you smile.

Hugs Jenn

I have a private group for just myself and a male friend of mine that I started a while back. When I opened it, I listed it as adult because it was 2 adults and I wasn't sure what would yet be posted there and never thought nothing of it since then. Well, there's been nothing bad posted there ever, more than a few swear words and now I can't change the setting... it won't let me. It's not fair. I have a lot of things posted there that mean alot to me. They should allow people to change the settings if their sites are acceptable to do so.

hmm I don't understand where you guys who say you can't adjust your group settings well i just ried it on mine i just changed it from general back to mature. and now back to general. I don't have it listed as a adult group it is under religion. but you can still adjust your group settings.

Lady Sylvia,

If you have a group that is rated as adult, your only option is to change it to general. MSN will not allow an adult group to be changed to mature. If you try, it reverts back to adult and you get a message saying that Adult groups can no longer be changed to a mature rating. I believe that is what everyone is referring to.

Sylvia , Msn has been blocking rating changes on and off for last 2 days. Sometimes you can change rating most times you cant. I tried to change one of my storage coms 2 nights ago message came up Msn not allowing adult groups to change to General. So I opened a new com g rated of course,backed up old com and deleted it. Think this is all part of the Msn game .

Hi I run an adult group, 100% clean of porn. But we have the odd swear word or nude pictures used as siggy's. I tried to change my group rating it is locked. You can change from mature to general and vice cersa but if you are rated adult, your outta luck.

We have decided to relocate our group in general, and have moved everything accross. It was hard work, but worth it. When the new sites are opened we will see what they are like and decide then whether we will move. I have to agree with some . It is unfair the majority get penalised for the minority. But thats life . no one ever said it was fair. i've decided to just get on with it, no point getting worked up about it.

MSN talks about "MSN services are used by a broad audience and we need to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers," the draft reads. Well guess what? The public library is used by a broad audience as well. Yet there are a lot of materials that's not deemed suitable for everyone that goes to the library. The public library where I live. A parent checks on the application for there child's library card. As to whether or not they want the child only checking out juvenile materials, anything or somewhere in between.

MSN Group Contact has confirmed that this is true.

Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support.

This is Dolores and I will be assisting you today.

Regarding your inquiry about MSN Adult Groups, there have been speculations about our plans for MSN Adult and Mature-rated Groups. We hope that the responses to the frequently asked questions below will answer your concerns:

Will MSN Adult Rated Groups be Shut Down?
MSN will no longer host adult contents, but it does not mean you cannot continue to enjoy Adult Groups. We will provide the tools for you to move your Group to a new service that contains new and improved features. Details on how to take advantage of the new service will be made available soon. Please check your Groups email address and the Whats New section for updates.

Why are you shutting Adult Groups down?
MSN services are used by a broad audience with over 420 million unique users visiting MSN each month worldwide. In an effort to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers, we decided to make these changes to MSN Groups.
Hosting and developing communities for adult content is not an area of expertise for MSN.

What if my Group contains no porn?
The new service will allow users to choose from two options. A site for adult rated content (including sexually explicit material) and a site for mature-rated content (no sexually explicit material). You get to decide which one is appropriate for your Group and your needs. MSN Adult Groups today mixes both, but the new service will allow you to choose the category that best fits your needs.

Does this apply to Mature-Rated or any other Groups?
Only adult rated Groups will be affected. If your Group is rated Mature it will not change.

Is this the first step in shutting down the rest of Groups?
At this time, we are transitioning Adult Groups but there are no other changes to MSN Groups. Today there are multiple places to share information with groups of people on MSN including MSN Spaces and MSN Groups. We are committed to continue providing a place for our customers to connect with each other in group settings.

Who will provide the new service?
To ensure the Adult Group communities needs are met, we will be working with a third-party service who specializes in hosting and developing communities for adults, whether that means sexually explicit material or simply adults wanting to be an environment free from minors.
We will be providing details of the new service provider soon.

Will I have to pay for this service?
No. The core service will be provided at no additional cost and will offer additional features not currently available in Groups. For example, unlike the storage limits on Groups, the new service will place no restrictions on storage for photos or even videos.

So what is this rumor I have heard about credit cards?
You will continue to see the MSN Adult Groups that you are a member of if they have been moved to the new service. You will not need to verify your age with a credit card to access the content you already have access to. However, to ensure that minors are not able to access inappropriate content, you will be asked to verify your age using a credit card if you wish to see content in some NEW adult-content types, but there is certainly no obligation for you to do this.

Will I have to rebuild my Group from scratch?
Not at all. We have been working hard to build an easy way for you to move your content with one-click conversion to the new service and maintain your content and membership.

Will my Group be moved without my permission?
Absolutely not. We will ask you for your permission to move any content to the new service and will not move anything unless you or your Group Manager tell us it is OK.

What do I need to do?
For now, continue to enjoy MSN Groups. We will notify our users through e-mail and the Whats New Section in the near future. The new service offers a much richer experience for our Adult Groups users at no additional cost and more choice in the classification of your Group. We will make it easy for you to ensure you do not have to start your Group from scratch. We will keep you updated.

If you have other concerns, please feel free to write us back.

Thank you for using MSN Groups.

Sincerely,

Dolores
MSN Groups Technical Support

I would like to add that alot of psp--Paint Shop Pro-- groups use art that may be considered very unappropriate for the General public. Couln't there be a category for this on the msn boards?

Well some say this is a hoax while others swear that it is true from information they have received.
All I can say is that we have choices in life, and there are two choices here: Choose to accept what happens and go with the flow or tell MSN to stuff it and move elsewhere. As for myself, should something like this happen and it saves the life of one woman or child, then it is well worth accepting.

Your comment RAWKS !!!!!! wooohooooooo!
I totally agree !
Hugs jenn

Yes'm, I agree with your agreement. That's the attitude to take.

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All I can say is welcome to my world for the past 6 months, where the fear of a government beholden to Christian Fundamentalists can restrict your rights merely by the threat of action. (I run an adult website) All under the excuse that "they" know what's moral and right in the world. Never mind what you want.

Since earlier this year, the Bush Administration has been passing draconian regulations on the adult entertainment industry in an attempt to shut all things not fitting their narrow mold of decency. You think they just want to shut down porn sites. This is an administration whose previous Attorney General covered up the bare breast of a statue of Lady Law so he wouldn't be caught in a photo with a naked breast in the background. (At the toon of several thousand dollars.)

In an attempt to make the new AG, Gonzales more palitable to the neo-con relious right, there have been several new restrictions passed on legal adult entertainment. Not restricting child porn mind you, but going after regular old vanilla porn. The stuff you'd see in Playboy.

In June the DOJ passed changes to 18 USC 2257 which will require anyone who puts adult images on the web to maintain massive amounts of detailed records on every image they put up. And to give the new reg teeth, any mistake in your records is a criminal offense and can subject you to 5 years in federal prison.

At that time the regulation required that the images be of actual hardcore pornography. Now Congressman Pence (R-IN) has introduced new legislation on Monday Sept 12th that would extend 2257 record keeping requirements to images of mere nudity and even simulated sexual acts. If the image has two people holding each other, they are nude, and it just looks like they "might" be initimate, the image is covered by this law.

In a bit of legal card shuffling, this legislation was added at the last minute as an amendment to another bill the "Children's Safety Act of 2005", H.R. 3132, which was heard by the full committee Wednesday the 14th on Capitol Hill and then passed to the House of Representatives, where it passed overwhealmingly by a vote of 371 to 52, with 10 members not voting.

In addition Pence's bill added new stiffer forfeiture provisions which could result in people violating the regs having their assets seized by the government for a mere record-keeping violation. The mere failure to keep the proper records justifies a criminal or civil forfeiture. That means you lose your house, your car, your savings. Everything.

Having passed the House, it now goes to the Republican controlled Senate, where it probably will pass.

I noted in reading thru the comments here, some of you use the MSN groups to work on your tags. Not being familiar with what that is I'm assuming they're avatars used by people on discussion boards and forums. I also note that many of these tags use adult images of an erotic nature.

If this is the case then you should know that Pence's bill will require you to comply with the 18 USC 2257 requirements of record keeping just like hard core porn sites or face prison time and asset fortieture.

You will now be required to get copies of the model releases, and IDs of the models in all of the images you use. This applies not just to new images but every image you've used back to 1995.

You will be required to keep said records in your place of business available for inspection by DOJ agents. Your place of work will be required to be open at least 20 hour a week and your address must be posted on your website. Record must be kept for 7 years.

In addition, you are required to keep a record of all urls your work appears, cross referenced by model names and websites. This record must be separate from any other records you keep and be available for inspection without notice.

If you can't get the documentation on the images they must immediately be removed from the Internet or you will face possible arrest and prosecution.

For those of you who say I'm too small to be caught, you should understand that the Administration has made obscentity procescution a big priority. You can read about how they are diverting FBI personnel and resources away from going after terrorist and drug dealers here:
http://www.washingtonpos...AR2005091901570_pf.html

So welcome to the American under the Christian Taliban kiddies! Your life just got so much more interesting.

More on Pence's amendment:
http://www.ynot.com/modu...amp;order=0&thold=0

(Note: this article is on an adult webmaster site, though there is no hardcore images, there are ads for porn companies with softcore images.)

ADDED: I should add this also applies to any images members in your group post. You as group owner must get model releases and copies of the IDs for any nude image posted to your group. Yahoo is in big trouble once this goes thru. Look for your yahoo groups to disappear as well.

Well if this is true (and I have absolutely no reason to believe it is not) then it would explain why MSN would be doing this if they are. But...wouldn't this also affect the WG site? If they are hosting Adult groups will they not need to ask everyone there to comply to all of these rules in order for them to comply? Wouldn't that be near impossible?

The short answer is yes, it will. In fact the way Pence's amendment is written, main stream movies that show simulated sex will be required to document as well. HBO, Fox, they're covered too, not just you.

The longer answer is that the original changes to the 18 USC 2257 reg (which happened in June), is probably the reason MSN is doing what they did. Those changes removed the difference in requirements for primary producers (those people who actual contract with the actors) and secondary producers (people who merely post those pictures to their website).

Up until then, primary producers were required to keep the records, and secondary producers (website owners like me) could be compliant by just linking to the primary producers' 2257 link on their sites.

This was something the adult industry was doing. And was ok with. Pence's amendment expands that to include just about anyone who puts out anything worse than PG material. It was snuck thru in a mere three days without any discussion. Likely as not, even your Congressinal representative doesn't know how broad his amendment was. You honestly think politicians in Washington would piss off the Holywood stars that contribute millions to their campaigns?

But that doesn't stop the Moral Minority. Remember they have God on their side.

Under Pence's amendment, video stores that have R-rated films will be required to keep the same records as hard core porn sites. Since those include copies of the actor's IDs (drivers licenses) that means Meg Ryans' home address will be available to every vid store clerk who wants to see it. And with copies of the model release she signed, copies of her phone number too.

Stalkers will love this law. Wait until the Hollywood elite finds out about that!

Some background: 18 USC 2257 (aka the Tracy Lords Act) was originally passed in 1988 in responce to Lords doing films while underage. It's stated purpose when passed was to keep other minors from doing porn. Unfortunately, the law had no provision for checking IDs with the government so that producers could tell if the ID was fake. Those who saw Lords' ID said it looked 100% legal.

That was part of the reason the law had not been enforced for the past 15 years. There were others. It was unworkable as it was. The changes were supposed to correct that. Instead, the Administration used the changes to make the record keeping requirements so convoluted that even now, 3 months after publication no two lawyers can give you the same answer on how to be compliant. And I've had them look. As it stands there is no way to be compliant.

But by adding the federal jail penalties, the Administration was able to use the "threat" to drive alot of smaller sites off the Net. They couldn't censor porn because the courts have repeatedly found that regular adult material is protected by the First Amendment. So they tried shutting us down by threats and intimidations.

Good thing we've got great lawyers!

It also can't do a thing about all the foriegn websites out there, since they're not bound by our laws. No this was just meant to enforce their views on fellow Americans. After all "they" are much better at knowing what's right than the rest of us.

(Guess that's why there are so many cases of pedophilia involving Catholic priests.)

And consider how many man hours and millions of dollars wil be wasted as DOJ lawyers try and defend this law in court? With the Right's stealth nomination Roberts about to be put on the Supreme Court, the conservatives will push this all the way to that bench. Wasting more and more money. Don't you think that money could be better spent helping Katrina (and now Rita) reconstruction. At a time when government spending is out of control, do we really need our government spending millions telling us what we can and can't view in the privacy of our own homes?

I want to also say this, the American adult entertainment industry is a very responcible group and highly regulated. We've had 4 minor get into adult movies since Lords, and every one of them have been caught by adult producers. The government has done nothing to help. It pisses me off that people lump those of us here in the US, with scum in Russia and Asia putting child porn, rape and beastiality on the Net.

No, we're not saints but we are definately not in the league of that filth. Nor do we use white slaves to make movie. I hear that fable all the time from pro-censorship anti-porn people. The actors that are in adult films are there because they want to. Hundreds of wantabee porn princesses get turned away daily out here (LA).

And as for exploiting women, please. If that's so, explain to me why a guy gets a couple of hundred dollars to be in a film, and women get several thousand? Tell that to Jenna Jameson. She's worth millions now. The women actresses rule in this biz. They tell you who they'll act with and what they'll do. There's no one forcing women to act in adult films.

Drugs? Not on any set I've seen or heard of. Companies don't risk jail time and loss of millions for alittle party favors on the job site. Most times you don't even see alcohol.

American adult entertainment companies and websites fund several organization that fight child porn. One, ASACP has actually been authorized by the FBI to investigate CP compliants. You can read more about their fight on their website (www.asacp.org).

You know what they found? Child pornographers don't run adult sites, they use P2P networks and unfortunately for you people, they use yahoo and msn groups.

Guess you get the short end of the stick too this time.

"Moral Minority"??? You gotta be kidding. Read some surveys sometime about just how many people believe in God and how many want this "stuff" regulated out of existence.

No drugs in porn? What about Linda Lovelace, Viper and many, MANY others? Sheesh, porn itself is an addiction! It degrades women and lends itself to an unreasonable expectation by men OF women. I could go on and on, but won't. I don't want people's eyes glazing over as mine did after reading YOUR post.

You're a pornographer? Hmmm....Child molesters defend their practices too. Not a nickle's worth of difference between the two.

It used to be easy to information on movie stars from the California DMV records. Then a gun toting nutcase, from Arizona hunted down Rebecca Shaeffer. He killed her with a .357 magnum because he was hung up over a TV show. The state legislature banned this FOIA stuff because HOLLYWOOD got angry. It sounds like Spence has re-opened another source of of information. Criminals will love his federal law...

The P2P networks are full of 1 MB video clips which are directly linked to the porn sites. That is hardly consistent with their clains about policing their sites. Dirty old men are trolling for kids. Corrupt politicians are more worried about downloading music. I wanna barf...

i have read alot of complaints already but there is one main reason why msn is doing this that hasnt been mentioned - it isnt about porn so to speak - it is all about the mighty dollar in advertising revenue that microsoft will be losing - all it takes is one person to take microsoft to court cause there kiddy saw porn and became emotionally disturbed over it so the companies do not want to be part of these sites and have threatened to pull out there advertising dollars.
it boils down to one thing - money - pure and simple - it was only to be expected that msn would go this path so they wouldnt lose money from sponsors
i too have an adult community - it isnt a porn site - just adult orientated and a private community at that to stop kiddies from joining - only about 100 members from whom i have known through msn chat for some yrs
anyone can make a site but what surprised me one day a few yrs back was going through all the communities just for something to do and to see how other ppl work there sites - what abhored me was i found an actual kiddy porn community on msn - i was absolutely astounded to see such an open site and believe me - i didnt go through all of the site as most of what it was portraying was on the front page - straight out illegal kiddy porn - i am scratching my head as to why was this site not noticed sooner as it was a general rating site for all to see and it made no attempt at even hiding the fact it was kid porn - i contacted msn and told them about it and they withdraw the site within 5 secs of me contacting them about it - i am a parent of 4 kids myself and i surpervise my children when they use the net - one thing i dont want them to see is kid porn and to see that community there myself well as you can imagine how angry i was at msn for not noticing this site themselves.
it totally appears to me they DO NOT police communities so how many other communities out there in msn communities that show kid porn but more privately - your guess is as good as mine but i have no confidence in msn in ensuring there are no kid porn sites.
this new site that we are going to be sent to is something that remains to be seen as to what they can offer - more than msn but the hidden ajenda of msn is nothing to do with ppl and there sites - it is about sponsors pulling out there dollars so to cover there back sides they are moving the adult sites that msn can wash there hands of and welcome back the sponsor dollars to which this is all about in the first place

will thats alot tamer then it was yesterday when i clicked for that site! but everything is coming soon thu

There it is!!!!!!!!!!!! The WorldGroups.com site is OPEN!!! http://www.worldgroups.com

Open?!?!? I wouldn't call that open...everything you click on says 'coming soon' and that still doesn't mean MSN is affiliated.

As a paying customer of MSN, I had not warning that they were going to freeze my file cabinets as of today Setember 22, 2005. Yes, my file cabinets group , Feelsogood, was rated adult but in no way had adult content. I recieved no letter that MSN was going to do such a thing. A lot of hard work went into the graphics I had stored in that community, feelsogood... I am very upset and I think I will cancel my subscription with MSN.
Jan

This is taking away freedom of speech for many people. If we keep our group privates why can't we have at least mature groups.

It is True just follow this link.

Go to this site http://groups.msn-int.com
In the left nav bar click People, Then on the page click Romance, and then click Adult.

This is what you will see.

MSN Adult Groups have moved

You can create or join an adult group in WorldGroups*. Your group may already be there.

* Warning: WorldGroups is an independent adult community and may contain explicit material intended for adult audiences only.

ITS STARTED! Many Adult and Mature groups have started VANISHING!! This group Managers Helping Managers in msn, has been warning peeps since yesterday or the day before but everyoen thought it was a hoax. its not!

Fakes

I was wondering when you were gonna say something disgruntled. I applaud you!! As I do over at CF

This truly upsets me. I am a PSPer and am in several Adult rated groups. I also pay for extra storage in 2 accounts to have room for the Webpages and Siggies. If they do this, I will not continue to pay for extra storage with them.

If they are shooting to get rid of the Porn groups, then by all means do, but why all of the Adult groups? If adults don't want to see nudity or possibly hear adult laguage, then they should not join an adult group. As for minors, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

In my adult groups, we check the profile before we even accept an application. If there is no age listed or they are a minor, they don't get in.

I am a GILD supporter and I am sure they are not happy either. Most of thier licenses include adult/mature content. If taggers have no place to use them, they lose too.

Anyone can fudge it to make themselves look the age of majority in profiles so its really no ones gaurentee these people are who they say they are or how old one might be. heck i could tell you Im a doctor and just cause I say it dont me its true. im not a doctor, im a working mother of three ..how would you tell if I was 30 or 13 ? no one really can....... I have purchased from GILD as well but MSN does not bother with gild.....as for losing $$$$ for these changes..... they wont lose a whole lot... the psp'rs may quit buying space but thats a meere drop in the bucket for the amount of money they get from advertisers and such... the little people spend for space is not much at all.

A friend of mine phoned an MSN representative and he said that all of this is very much fake. Your Mature and Adult MSN Groups are very much safe.
Why would the people who work for MSN make these claims of getting rid of all mature and adult groups and then deny it on the phone?
I don't think there's any need for worry.

When you say an MSN Representative, do you mean an MSN Employee??

If thats the case I doubt any MSN employee would tell anyone the truth if they are under instructions to keep quiet about it, friend or not.

It would be more than their jobs worth.

well news flash: the groups are being moved and many have been already......

Why would the people who work for MSN make these claims of getting rid of all mature and adult groups and then deny it on the phone?
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Because there is no proof those letters are even real.. Someone types up a letter says it's from tech support and passes it around!Why ? why does any one build a hoax? If your talking to a real person who says no it's not true.. and your read a posted letter that gets passed around from group to group.. ( like the original letter that started this)where did it even come from?Wasnt in my Mail Box . Yours?
I would go with the voice! you dont know where these letters come from. I would just be prepared by backing up my group , it's wise to anyway... and look around for other sites you can build as a back up group off MSN . You shouldnt have to settle for being shoved off to a poss porn site, just because you wanted to have an Adult community
Adult and Porn are no way the same definition in adult communties,that's assumming going on there... Good Grief! There are other ops.. Smart groups to name one Don't let MSN or Preachy types lump you in with Porn... if that's not what your adult group is about!

By JenniferFudge posted Sep 23, 2005 - 1:53 AM

well news flash: the groups are being moved and many have been already......

>>>>> where's your proof JenniferFudge?
You know this HOW?...

Exactly! I have notified all of my members of the move to World Groups. But, the closer we get in the month of October, something is nudging me that this all might be a crock of poppy c***.
Hope it is. It's just easier.
If not, and they do require a credit card for new Members, we might as well start our own .com!
Wolf™

After reading majority of the posts here majority of what is being said as you can see is negativity.
Bottom line is in my honest opinion :

1) Don't pay for a service if it's not satisfying you ( MSN pacifies NO ONE )

2) Why complain, does anyone really think anything will change

3) There are different groups that people can have ex: Yahoo, Ebay.. etc....

4) Have some respect for the children and adults everywhere

5) Why post rules in your groups and expect people to follow them if you cant respect the changes in rules from Your FREE service ?

6) If you dont agree with MSN's rules then leave. its not like they OWN YOU lol.... you have a chocie to stay or go... to be quite honest alot should go PMSL

Now I walk away from the computer wondering why so many take for granted things they recieve.

You know summat....I have NEVER taken for granted the fact that it's free and I really don't mind change but fgs...I want to protect my members which is why I joined the adult ratings so that kids couldn't access it and if they did, I would boot em out or simply boot em if there is no age on profile....I don't understand what they are doing because I will def move to Yahoo...msn I don't know what you're doing but I agree with the comment earlier...you sure ARE gonna lose a LOT of custom!!

I understand you want to protect the members and those that want to protect you will either help you change yoru site to G-Rated or they wont.... then you really find out whos got ya back... no good to worry about MSN and what they are up to.... we all need to be thankful that they are even keeping groups that are g-rated.... they could wipe us out completley if they wanted to !

Such a wise woman, that JenniferFudge.

um Caz.. I didnt say EVERYONE takes it for granted but I know a helluva lot that does !!!!!

Lazarus...... Most would say blonde yes lol wise ..well.... hmmmmm.... lol J/K.... I dunno how many would say Im wise but I know facts are facts and we have to deal with them no matter how frustrating it can be... Myself and my online buddy of 3 years now have changed our groups rating to General and its totally clean and safe for everyone even kids ! No one in our group is freaking out, throwing tantrums, or leaving because of the changes and for that they earn even more respect ! I was shocked that MSN done this but didnt freak out.. remain calm and do what needs to be done simple as that lol :-)

P.S. You've been one of the very few here on this board that isnt cussing MSN up in flames.You da Man !!!! :-)

i think its disgusting all the money they get from us with extra storage for these groups well i buy to lots a yr so that will be 30 quid they gonna loose to start with ..i do psp and web design i also use for my comp course im doing i think its disgusting they stopped the chat a few yrs back in brit now doing this to rooms ...who really wants to go in kids rooms aint us adults alowed to have fun ....i use GILD licence art work in my tags and yes half of them art nacked women why dont parents use the parents controls they got and stop the kids getting on sites like that ....like sky have parental control on what they can watch do the same for on the comp ...msn u gonna loose one hell of a lot of custom

This is insane. Not all of the groups that are mature have anything to do with sexual content. I have several groups that are roleplaying groups and we have the FAKE fights and wars. We as adults that rp just wanted it marked that way bc of the PG-13 type marking. Now MSN comes in and does this. Those of us that buy more space with them to make nice places to play are not going to lose the art we have put into them. If that is going to be the case I would rather go to another type forum and give them my money. MSN is going to be biting off more then they can chew... I am going to go check into Oasiz forum now at www.oaserv.co.uk forums are free and I think paying $20 a year for the unlimited space just might be better... Its bad enough they ran off most of the fantasy Role but now our communities as well.. SAD... MSN what are you thinking... most Roleplayers are the old D & D players not a bunch of little kids with no pocket books...

Well done, America - get rid of the nude women. More room for gun clubs, eh.

MSN's supposedly planning to move the mature rated groups, too.

If you CAN change your group to mature do so now! If you can go to General do that. take down all the adult stuff and change before you find yourself in that smut site.

I don't think people are reading!... see:

This site http://groups.msn-int.com is where MSN test drives groups software before an upgrade. go there, in the left nav bar click People, Then on the page click Romance, and then click Adult.

See what it gets you. While you're looking at the Adult Groups Moved message, click the Learn More Link. It takes you to the URL that page MSN is calling SPAM was on.

That link is MSN's TEST site, not the real groups, but where they TEST things (like they are doing Now, you can see the WG's already in the BUTTON now...just not linked up yet)

if i had a non-porn 'Adult' site
i can understand why one might be upset
i suggest....
rating your group 'G' private/restricted
and having the members vent in the chat room
and dress the ladies a bit more ;)

Here's how I see it... Those who had adult groups are now being dumped in the same boat as the porn. Many of our "Adult" groups were not that at all. Some were support groups for rape and other crimes. Some were only PSP groups that wanted to link to some of their favorite artists who were according to MSN standards considered adult. And then there were the adult group simply for the art of the renaissance which included Michangelo. Not PORN! Seems MSN doesn't quite understand that most of the adult groups had no porn at all in it. Taking away Mature groups is one that upsets me the most. I had mature groups simply because I didn't want anyone under the age of 18 joining. Period. None of my groups had porn on it. None of the adult groups I belonged to had porn in it. Not one... This is no hoax people. Even the copyright JK Weston confirmed it. Tho they didn't know if groups will be moved to the world groups site or just deleted but did confirm that adult groups are going off MSN's servers.

I agree, not all Adult groups are associated with Porn or the like. But it seems those who want rid of the Adult rated groups don't care if they are not Porn.

Go on defend yourself however where are all of you in the adult areas if not one or two but hundreds of men, woman keep going on spreading child porn? Nobody who cares and if it comes down of pulling the trigger by MSN suddenly everybody to blame except yourself, as fact is they are with hundreds on the MSN boards the dirty old ones trying to get kids out of their pants. Simply as that. Sure a parent should look after it, however do you put your kids on a chain to watch over them all day long? You can't of course. And by influence of many other factors some kids just do get to the adult sites and the jerks in there know how to play the game. Take a test on Yaoo chats (Yahoo who started to shut down several boards) pretend your 12 or 13 years old! You will see you will see and on MSN same story! ANd nobody doing anything as telling me, parents should look after this, or people here telling me turn of the PC nobody forced you to get in those sites. So someone has to pull it and MSN maybe does. Who else would do it? MSN groups is still available anyway we're only talking about the adult content sites. So it is not about adult movies it is about things happening which you never would wish your own child.. Do you?

Sorry but you are assuming we all wear the same hat here - get your facts straight before you post, the majority of us are PSP'ers who make signature tags, NOT porn sites, NOT sicko sites.

The responsibility of what a child does is down to the PARENTS no one else, so dont try and s*** the blame ffs,

this is why they need to work it in with the parental control that is on computers. If you don't want your kids looking set it on.

Yes and you walk hand in hand into a adult room with your kid and telling "Oh we're not like that, so who cares what others doing here, close your eyes as and lets walk to my room clean and safe, let others be caught by.... yes by whom?" The point is, everybody knows when they sign up for a adult group to find lot's of people who see the word adult in a different way as you do. Now if all start to say "I didn't know, it doesn't happen in my group, I don't care what other adult groups are doing" Now that would be the same as sending your kid to school and closing your eyes for things happening right there because your not the same ,your different but let others clear the mess, not me! So the same hat, yes maybe I don't know, what I know is that I see lot's of messages here telling me "I didn't know" Or "I knew but what can I do?" I heard that more if I look back in the history books. Why is the crime rate so high in some western countries, why so many child abuse? Talking about parents! Your probl. the only one taking care for your kids, and very good if you do so, very good actually. Now it would be also good to spread your word helping and fighting child abusers and MSN is your big parent looking after you and others... As that's what you said, PARENTS should do the work, MSN is your PARENT on the MSN adult groups and moving you to a safer place.

I've heard this one before. DISNEY created TOUCHSTONE PICTURES more than 20 years ago; so they could hide behind another name. This division creates most of the movies with excessive violence, lots of sex and foul language. Associating this business with the Mickey Mouse image wasn't good for the corporate image.

Now MICRO$OFT is gonna try the same thing. Somebody else will handle their adult customers. "We Don't Get Fooled Again."

Yes, but there's a huge difference: Microsoft's corporate image couldn't get any worse.

Goodness, look at all these comments about a seemingly trivial matter.

Nothing brings geeks out of the woodwork like pr0n-related topics.

If it's true what they say in that report then I don't mind. The other place seems to be more relaxed.
It's a pity there are so many wan*ers on the net ruining for everybody else all the same.
Oh and if they move us they will have to move their precious Grapevine edge won't they?
Grapevine is open to anyone regardless of age. You don't need a profile filled in and everyone gets in. Even though it says 18's
At least most of the groups in romance and adult regardless of content require asl as a (kind of) proof of age. We at least try. Msn on the other have double standards.
I would take that with a pinch of salt people until they actually start closing groups (Or moving them) Starting with Grapevine Edge of course.

Debs

Well From what I understand is AdultInternet.TV will probably be moving toward taking over the adult part that MSN is discriminating against. Plus with all the new 2257 guidelines the government has passed as of June 24th 2005 which is still in litigation.

I have been to the AdultInternet.TV Site and ALL of their services are FREE and advertiser driven.

AdultInternet.TV uses it's own P2P network to deliver the 1000's of hours of streaming media they delivery to their 40,000 + Viewers.

AdultInternet.TV will be adding some great features in these next few days P2P Version 2.7 Which when you first register for FREE you will have a email account set up along with the username you use will get you into the AITV Personels as well.

So All of the MSN customers and subscribers come Check this out just copy and paste this into your browser window.
http://www.AdultInternet.TV They are Again "The First FREE Global AdultInternet TV Station."

Download the Desktop Player and witness the "Revolution Of Adult Internet TV" FREE And Always Will Be.

Spammers everywhere you go.

That site has absolutely nothng to do with anything. Just a spammer.

As Babylove said this sucks as many of us have spent alot on money on the right to use artist images in MSN. Not all of the ADULT groups allow open shots of the private parts. Like in our group we allow brest and booty but no private parts down below. The image must be art and from our approved artist list. NO PORN, NO SELF IMAGES, none of that stuff. It is sad that MSN feels they have to shut all of the ADULT and MATURE groups down because they don't want to be affiliated with that image. Sorry but I honestly think they should get rid of the bad groups and leave us that use art and NOT porn alone. Just my 2 cents worth. Thank You

What I found interesting after reading all of these comments is how few of you were concerned about losing touch with your fellow group members. I belong to a number of MSN groups, but one of them is home. Its a small group, but most of us have been together for a long time (several years). My biggest concern about this so-called move is losing touch with those people in a move -- or those who are currently MIA not finding us when they come home. I will be taking steps immediately to make sure we have an email contact list for all our members. I'm hoping this is just a rumor and not fact, but if it turns out to be true, I will really not have any reason to use anything MSN has to offer anymore -- not out of spite, but because the MSN groups are the services I use.

I know at our group, we had everyone email us their email addys. We've known each other for years also.. And we're only mature for language. We actually put together an address book for our members, and we're mailing them snail mail to everyone who signed up. This way, we know we will not lose touch with each other. Our group is very concerned about losing touch, more so than the tags that are there.

On September 25th AdultInternet.TV Will be launching email and Adult Personels and soon will have groupchat rooms without all this discrimination.

Come check it out. It is 100% FREE No C/C required or checking account nothing of the sort just register for age verification and your in.

You will have access to all of AdultInternet.TV services 100% Free. Always Will Be.
AdultInternet.TV Is Advertiser Driven Just like regular TV But with an exotic twist of offering our advertisers the ability of advertising to ADULTS ONLY since adults are their true potential customers.

Come witness the Revolution Of Adult Internet TV" No one has done it like they have.

In our groups, we have most of the members email addys. So we won't lose touch.

I dont plan on losing touch with any of my members or my friends . Whatever Msn does wherever we wind up we will wind up together. As a manager I have a responsibility to the members and I plan on keeping my extended family together.Msn tried to divide us once before when they closed free chat but we found our way back to each other. Msn won't divide us this time either. Some people including Msn underestimate the bonds that connect people in groups. I never have . Some of these people I have talked, laughed, cried and psped with for years. They are part of my life and will continue to be so regardless of what anyone including Msn might do.

we need "more facts"
the little junk supplied is spam.. called spam by MSN themselvs

If it's spam, then why are MSN groups over on the WG site? Seems like someone is in major denial

This site

http://groups.msn-int.com is where MSN test drives groups software before an upgrade. go there, in the left nav bar click People, Then on the page click Romance, and then click Adult

See what it gets you. While you're looking at the Adult Groups Moved message, click the Learn More Link. It takes you to the URL that page MSN is calling SPAM was on.

Oh, and if you have any doubts about the msn-int.com site, try looking at the whois registration for it.
http://www.whois.sc/msn-int.com

It belongs to MSN.

So, if the page is spam, would you care to explain why MSN would be spamming and then telling everyone it's spam? Or how it is the page they link from is in the same context (adult groups moving) as the one they link to and it be spam?

This is interesting when I click this is what I get. What to you get?
Adults Categories

Home > People > Romance > Adults

Currently browsing English groups created on the US site.

Entertainment (11426) Gay & Lesbian (3091)
Men (1406) Organizations (1378)
Personals (6521) Women (2877)

MSN Dating & Personals


Create a group in this category

Adults Groups (23878)

That's what I got too.... Not some message saying "ADULT GROUPS HAVE MOVED" I got a list of Adult groups!

You have to click the People link in the left nav bar. If you click it on the page it will take you back to the regular groups.msn.com domain.

This information is more likely to be spam."" from MSN'S OWN MOUTH

Are you going to replace all the pictures they lose when they don't back up their groups because of your comments? Are you going to be here to apologize to them all when everythings gone because they listened to you?

Better safe than sorry folks back up your groups and if it turns out to be a hoax (which I dont think it will)You lost nothing but your sense of humour courtesy of msn .

Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support.

I am Mary Grace and I understand that you want to know if MSN Adult Groups will no longer be hosted by MSN after November 28th 2005.

Please know that as of today, we currently do not have any information at hand regarding MSN Adult Groups not being hosted by MSN and there is no such plan at this time. Nevertheless, we will surely inform customers if there be any changes in the near future. This information is more likely to be spam.

You are valuable at MSN and we look forward to providing you with consistent and effective service. If you have other MSN Groups related inquiries, please do not hesitate to write back.

Thank you for using MSN Groups.

Sincerely,

Mary Grace
MSN Groups Technical Support

#1 - MSN always treats people like they are stupid.

#2 MSN notifies when they are ready and not before. Before they deny.

#3 They would if they didn't know about it. Would not be first time Contact didn't know what was happening until MSN was ready to announce.

#4 They released to the press about Chat before Contact admitted Public Chats were closing.

#5 You speak of things you don't know. It's true. You will see sooner then you think. Here's a preview.

http://money.groups.msn-...snw?err=AdultBrowsePage

Get a better source for your news...
not this junk Beta news....
they took the scam and ran with it...
um read there story um..
""""MSN Microsoft had not returned a request for comment as of press time"""""
SOME SOURCE

STOP STOP STOP STOP
its SCAMNOT SPAM LOL..
#1msn knows ppl are not stupid
#2msn knows they would need to notify groups and post on a clear Msn site
#3 they would not call there work spam....
#4they would speak up...in fear of bed press
#5 I know better...they know better

Just like they let us know ahead of time about downgrading our storage. Just like they let us know ahead of time about MSN chats going to paid serives. MSN never lets you anything ahead of time

Thats why i dont trust anything Msn says. You are always told after the wheels are rolling never before. I see no reason why this time would be any different.

STOP...with the PANICK
ENOUGH already
it is spam... MSN would say NO COMMENT
NOT call it "SPAM"
In my email from MSN they called it SPAM
They said they are working on this problem
why would they call it SPAM>? if not spam? NOT HOAXSPAMscam

Well if they move me over automatically then I will be contacting a lawyer as I refuse to go to a porn site. I never have gone to one, not interested in them and if they get ANY of my information WATCH OUT!

Yeah.......You go get your lawyer...

I bet MSN will be really afraid of you.

Yeah, go get 'em....

LOL....whatever dude.

Lord Have Mercy, that is SO FUNNY!

Oh, you're serious about getting a lawyer and taking on MSN?

This I gotta see.

Break out the popcorn Lazarus lol.... I want front row center seats for this one too ROFLMFAOPMSL

Um....who would waste their time in an MSN group anyway?

Sigs and Tags are freaking for 12 year olds anyway.

LOL....you goofballs.

Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaaa

Cry me a river little babies. Go do something else with your time.

Good grief people....MSN Groups is not the only "Group" place. Get a grip.

Hmmmm now who exactly is acting like a 12 year old??

I still do not understand ....does this mean that msn will move my group over to World Groups automatically ? And if so does that make my group a paid site? If they move it over will they move my members over too and all my threads and images or what?

Wendy, nobody knows exactly and probably won't until it's actually done...

i think they are gonna delete them 'accidentally'
and let anyone that wants to
go there and start over

Okay I have a comment, I like many others who have adult Tag group, only have them catagorised that way to safe guard young children. Not because we want to use porn on our tags. Sadly MSN has sent all our types of groups to a flaming porn community, where the very people, we most of dispise are advertising the sale of their bodies. All I can say this is a sad moment for msn, They are catagorising all erotic art to be pornographic, which it is not. Instead of deleting the groups that have locked sites, which it is locked so young children can't enter and is strictly for the members enjoyment, you should spend some of the money that you have made from us, for extra storage, to prosecute the real problems. My sister is an artist who had a guest book, it was bombard by a number of nasty perverts, advertising, rape and child porn. most of them had MSN e-mail account and upon reporting them they never even bother to answer her letters. THAT is disgusting as her site was for all ages. THEY MAKE ME SICK, THEY TAKE YOUR MONEY AND THEN STOP SERVICE. I WILL BE CONTACTING A LAWYER FOR MORE ADVICE ON THIS AS WILL MANY OTHER FORMERLY MSN USERS.

Managers Helping Managers even made fun of the person who first told them about it.

Ç'est Le Vié

Sure wish that people like Managers Helping Managers and Silken's Fire Place would quit using this site to promote their group. Seems quite rude to me. Is especially rude since the so-called help group, MHM, was telling everyone it was a hoax before they even bothered to check it out.

DisgruntledAtRudePeople... Well, it never even occurred to me that you would think I was using this to promote my group... Silly me! I posted my letter with my signature to assure people that I was on the up and up in my concern. As for MHM, they are at least TRYING to help people find out what is true! For someone who is "disgruntled at rude people", you should perhaps take the log out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinters in ours... Respectfully, Silken

Ok, I manage 2 mature rated groups!! we do not have porn, we just have FRIENDSHIPS that we would like to continue!! Both groups are women only, Why would they want to move us to a PORN site?? One of our groups has been number 1 very recently in womens central!!! I think this is unfair!! we don't promote porn or child porn, we just talk!!
I saw the update from MSN today and also visited the new site!! There is no way i am going there with that stuff! THAT was porn!!!!

I have been hosting MSN chats for several years, and am still heavily involved in the Communities. MSN was well-known for quality hosting and chat services, and its Communities system. But I have been concerned of late about the slow slide into the “adult” theme atmosphere that has been occurring there, and am glad to see them begin to take note. I guess we should actually thank the few sponsors that have said enough is enough.
I have nothing against adult content and the sites that promote that kind of thing for the people that want it. But maybe MSN has to decide if it will be a service for general audiences, or another in a long list of sites that feel comfortable with providing what can only be called porn.
Is that fair? I don’t know. But I do believe that that decision is one for MSN to make. Users can either appreciate the effort and continue to use their services, or find another site that better suites their interests.
Happy chatting. :)

My letter to Ed Oswald...I will let you all know if he responds...

Dear Mr. Oswald,

As the owner of an MSN adult group... so rated for mature discussions of life issues.... I am deeply concerned over your report that MSN intends to discontinue its support of Adult groups and also intends to migrate them over to the World Group site which appears to be a great deal more "pornographic" than "adult".

MSN has denied this report over and over again stating that this is no more than SPAM. I note that people have been asked to provide their credit card numbers to validate their ages which also appears to be "fishy". I further note that now we are unable to access the World Group site.

Literally hundreds of room owners are up in arms and we would appreciate your comments and response to MSN's denial of your article content.

I look forward to hearing from you and remain,

Yours very truly,

Silken of Silken Fire's Fireplace

I am also the owner of an Adult MSN group and deeply concerned about the validity of this report. I have emailed the Contacts here to ask them to comment on MSN's continuing denials of this intention and to provide us all with some evidence of MSN's intention to do this. People are reportedly being asked for their credit cards to validate their ages... I would not be giving mine out any time soon... Hopefully, someone here will get back to me and if they do, I will post again. I may be naieve (I hope I am) but I simply cannot see MSN transporting their groups to a site like the one we have been told our groups are to be migrated to... I HOPE this is a hoax!

Alright, I admit it. Now I'm offended. I'm a pediatric therapist working with profoundly traumatized children. I also happen to LOVE my hobby with PSP and msn groups devoted to that hobby. Do I believe that my perfectly legal hobby contributes to the victimization of children? you have GOT to be kidding me! And some of you hate those "tacky siggies", well, here's a tip... don't use 'em!
I'm frustrated with people equating msn adult groups with illegal or child harming activity. Let me clear... Pedophiles will wreak havoc no matter what happens with MSN. Sexual offenders will victimize no matter what happens with MSN. If this all boils down to advertisers threatening to pull money from MSN due to inability to control content, then fine. MSN is a business, make a business choice. But, PLEASE, stop with the bashing of adult groups as bad for children. Ya'll can come live in my world for a while if you want. I'll show you the hell that children go through that isn't even remotely related to bill gates, msn, the internet or "tacky siggies".
Show some rationality.

I don't use 'em, but I also don't wanna look at 'em.

Funny thing: People yap about free speech, but when someone else voices their opinion, then you wanna shut 'em up.

This action might be but a drop out of the bucket, but that's a drop less than before and a step forward.

Here's a tip for YOU: Get your group within the "G" rating or risk losing it. Simple as that.

I see in a message here MSN is loosing everything when closing... I think they GAIN everything by closing. Only thing I didn't mention I'm not against sex orientated chat boards or forums, I'm from a very liberal country, i think by syaing Amsterdam everybody knows enough. I'm against child porn and that's one of those things goin on many times, nobody can talk that out of my head as I've seen it many times on the 'channels'. And if MSN doesn't have the resourches to fight child porn in a other way than better to shut down and leave it to others who do it better. And if it's a paid service, right very good as it shuts off already lot's of people coming in for this kind of grap.

I am in no way for child porn...there are sick depraved people out there that are into that sort of thing and that is sad...but if you want to protect your children you need to start by KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING...it is not the rest of the worlds job to know what your children are doing or who they are talking to. We are adults and able to make descisions for ourselves...they are not they rely on their PARENTS for that...I say Parents do your jobs!!

Typos and spelling errors aside (and understandable), this is one of the best posts in here.

Should us as adults LEAD BY EXAMPLE for the children / or is that a GD crime these days

PARENTS should definitely lead by example. I whole heartedly agree with you

MSN is right in my opinion. If you know how many child porn goes through these channels! Yahoo had no other choiche as to shut it down tough if i browse around in the chat groups esp. the sex orientated there are still a lot of people trying to get the youngsters out of their clothes. Sure parents should be the first ones to look after this no doubt about that. However I see here in Indonesia also youngsters who have to use the internet cafees and becuase of living on a low level they already quickly get over the line if a old jerk is offering money! So good that finally MSN is shutting down. Vife thumbs up and keep those old jerks into child porn or dirty talks to young people of the Internet!

"Insulting your intelligence"??? How is that? Whether they're going ahead with this or not has nothing to do with insulting you.

"Free speech"??? You come into my house, and I darn sure can limit your free speech. Say something that insults me or something inappropriate in front of my children, and I'll throw you out on your ear!

Groups are MSN's to do with as they like. They make the rules, and if you don't like that, then you're free to voice your opinion, sure, but you're also free and encouraged to go somewhere else.

Get over it and get on with your life.

Again, I'm glad of this. More room for the rest of us and maybe there won't be so many slowdowns and "upgrades" in the future. (and less ugly, tacky siggys)

What you consider Tacky some people call cute or artistic or even pretty....
That is called Freedom of Expression

And you say if someone comes into your house you can limit their speech...well that is fine but if you have children and want to keep adult stuff from them then it is your responsibility not ours. The internet is not your house. Watch your own kids, we should not be made to suffer or be infringed upon because you don't want to take the extra time or effort to know what your children are doing.

Nope, it's tacky by any sane person's judgment, and I am not asking you to look out for my children; in fact, I don't want YOU near my children.

Like I said, HOORAY for MSN! Three Cheers! Get rid of the siggys that look like they were inspired by some skank on a pole in a strip club and until then, don't even TALK about "cute or artistic or even pretty."

Hmmmm. I have read your many posts and I laughed. Now I am offended. I have kids I monitor them and I a member of some groups some G rated and some adult. I sell my tags and siggies and the companies. These companies then ues them to sell thier crap to you and your kids. Because of me being in an adult group posting my "tacky siggies" puts food on my table and takes money out of your pocket. Is that why you are upset?
"Some skank on a pole in a strip club"? buddy you really need to think about your posts. I am as far from a dancer as you can get. I am a buisness owner and I am offended that you would think that I would allow my children much less yours to knowingly view anything even remotely adult orientated.
I am outraged that MSN would do this. I am offended that you would be so closed minded as to the plight of the groups. You must have never had a true friend in your life because in the years that I have been a member of these groups I have made true friends. wethre it be online or off I know I can call on thes group members for anything. I cannot forsee me moving to the porn site that MSN is suggesting.

First of all, your tacky sigs don't sell SQUAT to me OR my children. If I saw a company that used your work (with a skanky stipper likeness in it) and I used their products or their services, I would cease doing so and let them know why they lost my business.

I've been in Groups for nearly six years and I've made some great friends, thanks. You can presume all you want about me, and you'll be wrong--AGAIN.

You'll either move to the porn site or clean up your act; you don't have a choice. The only thing uglier than those tags is your attitude.

Hmmm it seems to me if you have seen these sig tags you describe with strippers and pole dancers than you must be in some adult groups yourself?? I call that being a HYPOCRITE

not everyone uses pinups, dumba**! there are plenty of G-rated graphics used frequently by groups rated "mature" or "adult" (some groups which do not even ALLOW adult images! i'm in three) for reasons usually like:

a) permitting members to swear in rant topics
and/OR
b) keeping underaged, idiot BRATS out!!!!!

and if you KNOW what they look like you obviously are in adult groups yourself....so Sapphyre is right. you are a hypocrite.

You got me. I'm so ashamed. Yes, I used to catch your act all the time, Sapphyre. What'd ya do w/ the snake?

Never had a snake. Sorry wasn't me.
Not that I wouldn't own a snake because I would. I like animals. My minor was veterinary medicine.

I THINK THAT MSN IS BEING VERY UNFAIR IN THIS MATTER. THE GROUP RATINGS IS WHAT RESTRICTIONS THE AGE LIMITS ARE. IF PARENTS CANNOT KEEP THEIR CHILDREN OFF OF THE ADULT OR MATURE SITE OR PORN FOR THAT MATTER, WHY SHOULD THE REST OF US HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE TO BABYSIT THEIR KIDS. I ALSO AM A MANAGER OF A FEW SITES AND I BUY EXTRA STORAGE SPACE FOR GRAPHICS FOR WEB DESIGNS, BUT IF MSN CONTINUES WITH THIS MOVE I WILL NOT BUY ANYMORE SPACE, I WILL MAKE DUE WITH WHATS GIVEN. I ALSO SUGGEST THAT MSN FESS UP TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!

This sucks. The best thing about MSN was the groups, and now they've gone and ruined that.

Isnt MSN closing adult groups infriging on our freedom of speech a bit ? I believe that having general, mature and adult is a great way of sorting things out. I believe MSN is making a serious mistake in doing this and will be losing alot of business. So what does this mean to the adult groups ? This new service will cost us what ? And are they moving the adult groups or are we goign to have to start from scratch?

Infringing upon your freedom of speech? Not in the least! It's their playground and what they say goes.

When Excite had groups, this very thing happened, and a few months later, they did away with all their groups entirely. I doubt that will happen here, but you never know.

There are currently ALOT of very upset group managers in our group (a help group in msn)
http://groups.msn.com/ManagersHelpingManagers
Sure wish MSN would just own up to this and give people notice. Several Adult and Mature groups have been moved over to that site without their knowledge. That isn't right. I personally am in support of getting rid of porn and extreme adult material from groups, but msn is insulting the intelligence of alot of good decent people with this move...

I run a couple of groups on MSN and they were rated Adult and Mature seems now that will change ok thats fine but why can't MSN Tell us the truth ? Why are we getting the cold sholder and the lies ? What is this gonna cost us ? And why are PSP Groups that have art considered to be bad ? I want answers just like most on here and we would Like for MSN to own up to what is going on and let us know what we need to do and what our groups should be set at to stay on MSN Or to be on the other site but locking our groups down is just wrong . Tell us what we need to do to fix our groups and be upfront with us and it would be apreciated.
The least MSN Could do is be honest with the group Owners and managers and tell them whats up.

Why is it the world's job to make sure people's children don't snoop around the internet? Parents should be monitoring their own kids.

Maybe we should enact tougher laws and enforce them on parents that don't do their jobs as parents.

The world would be a better place.

Hang the smut peddlers, and that'd be the best start.

i pay for the msn premium service but if msn close mature groups i wont need to .
i have a very friendly msn group for mature people , mature meaning no kids , ther is no porn or adult content in my group except a few cartoons and jokes that are free for all to use around the net .
if msn decide to go a head with this then they will loose every thing because no one will go ther any more , i mean its not like it work all the time any way but we put up with it because we all have a lot of friends on the msn net work .
so they might be in the right to do as they please because its there server and they might need to look at groups more closely in future but why make us all suffer by doing this when all they need is a few more people to cheek the groups out to see if they are legal .
they will loose so much money from people cancaling ther subscriptions that i think they should realy think about it

I belong to a Mature ladies group that likes to discuss female issues, and we are being discriminated against. I also belong to an adult PSP group and there is NO PORN allowed just tasteful art. This is blatent discrimination at its finest

Good job, MSN. I'm GLAD they're doing something like this. Get rid of the zillion worthless siggy groups and the porno ones all in one fell swoop! Hooray!

Now if they'll just start charging a fee for having a group, MSN can cull out about a zillion more worthless wastes of bandwidth.

geesh some of us enjoy the siggy groups for some of us that is our speciality and that is not a fair thing to do to us anyways i heard this is all bull msn wnet complete adult and i know that as a fact cause my father works for msn so take it from someone who knows what goes on they r not getting rid of it

PMSL AMEN TO THAT !!!!!!!!Lazarus...... your poking the bear all over the place lol......*** sitting here laughin my butt off*** ZGo get em tiger ;-P

I really hope you are right..I have looked into this new site that is suppposed to be hosting the adult sites and it is horrible...they claim alot of perks but it looks just like xxx adult web sites...our group may be listed as adult but that is because alot of our favorite artists whom we have gone out of our way to obtain or purchase permission to use their artwork do what are considered adult graphics...We do not use pictures of out right sex acts nor pictures of 'actual' naked women but graphics done by fantastic artists...this will not help us if MSN moves adult groups because regardless they are considered adult graphics...I wish MSN would just respond to the hundreds of emails they have received asking about this and put it to be already one way or the other.

well thats your opinion im a good animator and own g rated,mature and adult groups i also work for a high profile arist animating his work
i just think your comment about sig/tag groups being worthless just shows your mental age 5,
maybe you dont have any idea what goes into tags
or maybe your just to dumb to care
if parents are to stupid to keep their net secure from their offspring tough its the world wide web i pay way
put a lock on it or keep the kids under control

You know Lazarus, I have read your posts here, and if you think these groups are worthless, DON'T GO TO THEM! You seem to be on MSN's side here, and great, good for you. However, you don't understand why some people go to these "worthless groups" as you call them. And, it is none of your business. Some people instead constantly post their opinion on message boards...everyone has their own release, don't they? Hmmmmm...sound familiar?

I don't think MY group is worthless, nor those of my friends. (Of COURSE not! ;) ) I belong to some PSP groups, too, but always discourage them from making tags that take forever to load.

Hi Jennifer! LOVE poking "da bear", y'know? Esp. when it NEEDS poking.

Work for an "arist" do ya? Never heard of that occupation.

Calling ME dumb? Sheesh.

And just who are you to assume parents dont have thier kids under control as you call it...... if you were "controlling" someone dont you think at some point they would go behind your back and do something they werent supposed to do ? I am a mother of three and I treat my children with enough respect that they are mainly equals in this house and they have very good morals and manners but kids are kids and they will try things at some point that they shouldnt but WE ALL DID as kids...... No one is perfect !!!!!!!! Your comment there kinda pissed me off to be quite honest...
grrrrrrr I have to stop responding to this post cause I could verbally tear a strip off your backside!

The only thing STUPID was your degrading comment

can you believe the frickin nerve of some people.. enough to make ya wanna reach out and touch that person FORCEFULLY .... *** mutters off to myself****.........

My guess is that Lazarus. Doesn't even either himself or allow his kids. To go to an art museum. My goodness! Just might see a nude Rubenesque type painting or stuatue. Or any other nude work of art for that matter. Some of which go back as far as the middle ages and before that.

Is that so ? PMSL. they already have.I guess ya daddy dont know everything either *ooppsssss* :-p

No, I send them to school so they can learn how to construct a sentence and to correctly spell "statue".

Comparing tags to art is a stretch by any standard. At least those artists did their own work instead of using tubes and backgrounds etc. from someone else.

I've seen plenty of spelling errors on your end. At least I only had one.

If you're so against freedom of expression than perhaps you should move to some country such as Iran.

I ought to ask my Austrian boyfriend. Just how they handle trying to prevent pedophiles. It probably makes more sense then trying to censor everyone else to the extreme.

And oh by the way. What you incorrectly perceive to a spelling error of statue. Was a typo. There's a difference.

Yeah, right. Whatever you say, dear.

Isn't your "love it or leave it" attitude more appropriate for us, the "moral minority", the "Neocons", the ones that want to "stifle your creativity"???

Let me tell you what's wrong with yours and some other attitudes; you want YOUR freedom and rights, but you want to deny mine! I have a right to be free from having to view smut. At least a few years ago it was better when that sort of thing was relegated to the seedy side of town and limited to the pay channels on cable, but now it is EVERYWHERE you look!

Austrian boyfriend? What's wrong? Can't find a man in this hemisphere?

Lazarus,

I have no problem with your right to your opinions. But I don't have to agree with them. From what I've read of your posts. You'd like for everyone to believe how you believe. Thank goodness the men who wrote the constitution. Didn't see things that way. Please respect mine. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.

There are alot of things that I don't care to see or hear. I simply either don't look them, change the cannel or the station or turn the thing off.

As far as my Austrian boyfriend is concerned. Foreigners tend to be attracted to me. Austria is a western country, so there are some similarities between it and the U.S. Plus it shouldn't matter where he's from or the color of his skin. He is human just like you and I.

It sucks I can understand adult although some adult groups are just that to keep kids out there really is nothing major going on, mature I'm sorry my money and my age and my experience should buy me the ability to do some things and if msn won't allow it I guess it can all go elsewhere. I can't add up how many of their sites have gotten my business because I am here maybe yahoo will be happier

Puritanical lunacy at its best.

I blame George Bush and the new American Fundies.

God Bless GWB. I voted for him twice, and would do so again if I could.

Oh well that explains everything about you. Should have known you were a GW man. It shows.

It shows? Good deal then; I've done my job.

I am co-owner of a PSP group Adult rated, if we are closed down and or forced to move, MSN can cancel my service. My group is about sigs and art not porn and I don't appreciate being lumped into a group for porn or having some unknown enity asking for a credit card number as proof of my age. We spend money to use MSN, we pay for storage and we pay for some of the art we use and the cost of the programs(PSP) and filters and even some fonts ...and to have MSN come in and shut us down, especially those of us that adhere to MSN's COC and copyright issues, sucks.

the whole thing sucks, just cos a groups rated adult does not mean porn!!!! I am a proud member and a manager of some adult groups, inclusive of psp groups who all lock down to stop the idiot porno stuff, I pay for a premium msn to unlimited storage etc and this is what I get......thank you msn!!!!

HERE HERE!! ART IN GOOD TASTE ISNT PORN
DO WE RATE RODANNE,MICHAEL ANGELO, DEBUFF AS PORN
YET THERE ART HAS A SEXUAL CONTENT DOES IT NOT
NO WE CLASS THEM AS CLASSIC ARTISTS
GET A GRIP.... SHOWING PRIVATE PICS OF UR WIFE/G/F SHOWING PORN MOVIES THIS IS PORNNNNNNNNN FGS.. GET A GRIP TAGS ARE TAGS NOT REAL LIFE ...... WE ADULT GROUP OWNERS DONT WANT TO BE DUMPED IN PORN SITES.....WE ARE GRAPHIC ARTISTS USING DIGITAL PROGRAMMES.WE ARE NOT MAKING BACK STREET MUCKY MOVIES UR KIDS GIGGLE OVER WITH THERE MATES.WONDERIN IF MUMMY AND DADDY DO THINGS LIKE THAT

If this is true then why do we pay for MSN? Im on premium and ive worked on a website for a long time now and put in a lot of hard work with PSP ect and for them to just wipe it out is just a bloody cheek! Dont tarnish all Groups by what some fools do on there Groups. Most people who use MSN use it for the Chat and if they go ahead and do that aswell as closing all the chat-rooms in 2003 what's going to be left?? I pay good money to use MSN and dont expect to be treated in this way they should at least look through all the groups and if they find them unsuitable then close them I also have a GILD licence which I use adult signatures for but they are cartoons not real people and not pornographic! I think Msn should think long and hard about this decision.

I think most of the people who are upset about this are those with Mature and/or Adult PSP (paint shop pro) groups. They don't want their PSP groups in with sexually oriented sites just because they have GILD artists' work in their group or they offer mature siggies etc. There is a big difference between Mature and Adult.

Ya know - MSN owns the site. They can do what they want with it. If they are having problems with companies pulling advertising like Yahoo! did because of the content, then they have the right to prohibit that form of content on their site. They are offering an alternative if you wish to participate or provide that sort of content to people, just not on their systems.

It may be an inconvenience to the users and managers of said groups, but the long and short of it is that MSN owns the site and can do with it what they please. If someone doesn't like it, they can go build their own sandbox.

That sort of content! What pray tell is that sort of content? I would bet and win that most of the adult closed sites are groups of friends that do not wish to deal with strangers, people who steal all the good stuff on site and people who do not understand that if it is something they don't like LEAVE. That's the adult thing to do!

I like your attitude budddddddyyyyyyy!
** Smilin **

Finally, someone who speaks the truth. (besides me, that is)

I agree as I do belong to a Adult site and we are a fun bunch that like to tell each other things most would/may fing offensive. We do not do kiddie porn and sick stuff like it.

What a load of crap. With the poor service we grt from MSN and now this? There goes half their groups and members cause I know a lot of people will no longer use what MSN has to offer which isn't much!!

Well obviously it kept you in groups so they must have been doing something right or you wouldnt even be here complaining. Its MSN right to cut off whoever whenever they like and if people dont like it then theres always Yahoo Groups or Ebay groups...... MSN needs this whining and complaining about as much as they need another bogged down server.

Except for those who pay for extra storage (and they don't HAVE to, just don't wanna get another Passport), using Groups is FREE. Costs nothing, zilch, nada!

You get whatcha pay for.

I think I'm in love.

I pay my internet server to provide me with the service offered which is msn dear, so yes I do pay for it.

:-) tee hee hee

Uh first off......... Thanks for making me smile this morning lol.

If all this mess bothers you so much why would you pay for the service in the beginning lol , msn groups are free.

Secondly..... I aint your " dear" as you call it

yeppers the gw lovers are acually using this post as a dating service and dang I hope there kids arn't watching.

LOL!!

No, you don't pay for the groups. You are paying for the ISP and that is it. Groups are free.

And now, complete domination of the Supreme Court for decades to come!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!
Dating Service huh..... shouldnt you take that kind stuff to the adult rated groups ? LOL

ohhhhh maybe you're feelin a little left out are you ?

S.O.S. this poor soul needs to be pacified a little . anyone willing to share a few hugs with this person ????

My children are in bed sleeping if its any of your's or anyone else's buisness :-p lol

This totally sucks.Especially for those in the psp groups.A lot of us have spent hundreds of dollars with Gild and now can't use them.I am very angry.

Thank you for confirming this! When asked via the MSN contact form if they plan to move adult groups, they are denying this as of today, stating the information is incorrect and most likely spam. Earlier today we could access the world groups site and it is indeed very Adult, but it's now giving the "you do not have permission to view this page" again,so we assume they're working on the site. I manage Managers Helping Managers at MSN and we are grateful for this information so that our members who manage adult groups can decide if they'll stay at msn or move to the new site.

I am rightly angered... I pay for this wonderful 'right' of MSN to have chat that they ruined... ( which I do not use now) and I am wondering at the methods. and exactly WHO theyre targetting.. I Role Play.... I abide by the CoC of MSN chat ( when I used it) I wouldnt allow under 18 to participate in my room or groups.. (objectional storylines can occur) I have/had a successful group and room..
Now as I say this , theres an individual in that same area of chat... cybering (sexualy) minors.... willingly, and knowing their age.. She likes to validate it by saying its only Role Play.... well this person being 40 and the MINORS at times 14..... it isnt RolePlay to them. They pay for MSN so I guess they are entitled to target minors and do what they like? THEY are the type you should govern... notones that may have groups to express themselves PRIVATELY and, in a half way controlled environment

She? Give me her email.

Er....

Heh... Couldn't resist.

This is Big Brotherism at its worse.

ever see the music video by pearl jam 'evolution'? please porn is old news

IF msn does this it will loose a lot of costumers and I think it is VERY unfair to the ones who love adult and Highly support Gild.

itanshi the point is all adult groups are not porn. They are adults who do not want to deal with precocious children Adults who wish to discuss the latest news and stories and talk without worrying about the delicate ears and eyes of children. My group has writers and poets in it and if they wish to post erotica(not porn) I wish them to have the ability to do so. IF the artists there wish to post beautiful naked or well posed erotic women and men GOd Bless 'em so don't paint us all with the same brush.

I am very angry. move the porn sites to world groups and leave the psp groups alone all we do is psp. freedom of speech is being taken away is this America? or some censored place? come on we are taggers not pornsters .You wanna take our rights away to create the way we wanna create we are not porn related! we are taggers let us stay! Let us create at msn groups. Its just not fair!

I have read the posts. And just about all of them have said paid subscription services, as far as i know the communities, groups are free msn services. And I have tried the links provided for WG, they do not work. Not all of the Adult groups are porn. Some are for Role Play. If adult groups go I think that the lifestyle groups go to I mean if you want porn gone then take away the gay and lesbian stuf away as well.

We are a family group that upped our rating because some of the artists that gave permission had some nudity among their work...nothing grandstanding in anyway. MSN sweated & pouted and then threatened that if you so much as had a link on your tag that led to such a site you would be deleted. Good gravy!!! What kind of nonsenical dictatorship gone imperialistic to extremes is this? Hey! This is one customer who will go elsewhere for a certainty!!

Oh!!! Exactly...what LadySylvia said!!! Why the PSP groups when you have all those other groups? I would like to know the answer to that too.

I am mad about MSN doing this, there are some really good Adult groups out there and like everyone says not all have porn on them. my group is in general and i always tell everyone to keep it clean and make no offence incase we have children passing through, I am sorry MSN but i think you biggest problem is the children themselves giving false details in their profiles. We are using machines not clairvoyence to see and speak to folk worldwide, think of another way to censor the kids but leave the ADULTS alone

I think ALL OF THIS is still a Hoax !!!!!!

i tend to agree. why would they need a credit card # to verify age? think about it. besides, kids can get credit cards, so no proof there of age. and the other site links not working? pretty suspicious....

Plus msn does give warning whenever they are about to do something. They did give fair warning about the msn paid chat service. I will not be satisfied until I hear from MSN and nothing else. Have yall even gone to msn.com and seen it anywhere on the front webpage?? No its not there. I am sure it would be by now! Futhermore has anyone called or contacted msn?

MistressKari, if you'll remember correctly, news of MSN Chat going to a paid service got out long before MSN made it official. The same thing is going on here. MSN isn't going to make it official until the last minute. Making it official now means that they'll have to listen to a whole lot of angry "customers" instead of brushing them off by telling them that it's spam.

http://groups.msn-int.com is the place where the MSN programmers run the code in a real world environment before they make any upgrades at http://groups.msn.com. A simplw whois search will show you that msn-int.com is registered to Microsoft. Visit that link and browse around the categories, particularly the adult category. If you get that notice there, then they've already made plans to implement it on groups.msn.com.

Im sorry I still don't belive it and won't until Msn tells me themselves....and once they tell me I will believe it.

There is still nothing there. I looked. It won't even allow me to sign in. Therefore I am still not believing it....Call me stubborn lol.

I am a manager of an Adult romance group and I am involved with a lot of adult PSP groups. The thing that bites the most is that it took a lot of time and effort to create and design those group pages plus all my work and documents are stored within these groups and now I have to go thru everything one by one to see what I can manage to save somewhere if this in fact becomes true. Its rediculous to consider adult tags as part of porn! I pay for msn premium because msn is my ISP and it totally sucks that we all have to pay the price of losing our groups because parents are so irresponsible as to monitor thier child's internet activities... I thought msn was supposed to be in the up and up instead they are pissing a lot of ppl off. I dont want to be in a group mixed in with video game players or pom pom girls asking each other what they will wear to school the next day. I'm too old for all this garbage!

Well.......what can we do from here...

It's standard throughout the web to require a credit card for ID and entry into websites with adult content.

We have a group that we had to rate as "Adult" because among other things, we discuss health issues such as breast cancer, and apparently the word breast is censored....the group is locked and by-invitation-only, and it cannot be viewed by anyone not a member. I highly resent this!

You're not loosing your Groups Peasey! They are just being moved to a new location... kinda like you moved across town - all your stuff with be there when the movers get there!I've seen one group in particular that has been moved already - got a glimpsse at it earlier today whent he links were working for a little bit. Just think of it as a nice new home with a different view! Hugs April

Ç'est Le Vié

Is everyone reading this whole forum???? It's getting mundane! So what if MSN is moving mature and adult groups to a third party site! I'm a manager of a site that is adult related for psp'ing and let me tell ya, PSP'ing isn't ruling my life. Granted it's a hobby that I enjoy but it's not the end of the world if it goes to another site (one that looks very sleazy I might add). Think about this for just a few moments: there are folks in LA that are homeless!!! There are folks in TX that are being evacuated!!! There are kids in the US that are dying.The point is....there are more pressing issues at hand than MSN doing away with mature and adult groups.
Give it a rest and try to enjoy what time you have with your MSN group.

LOL lilDog...good Gravy...how 70's...LMAO....I read all the posts too...I pay for the CC msn acct...for our fotki...and for various other things offered to our members....all in the name of trying to keep our groups safe.they have said ALL ADULT groups...not just ADULT psp groups...or have i missed something??Yes i think it's rude...but maybe we should wait and see how it works before getting all flustered.I don't like the idea of sig groups being lumped in with porn groups either....but i think everyone is getting hot and bothered before the fact....remember the caffufle over GILD which turned out to be a non issue?I'm not a GILD supporter but they haven't turned out to be as bad as we all expected....so lets wait and see i say.

Night Night Yall have a wonderful night!!!!! If something does happen it will be a whole new adventure!
Cheers

MSN WARNS us not to use their services as a primary storage!

For that matter, if you don't back up your stuff on your h/d you're askin' for trouble. Best to burn a disk, and maybe even two. If it means that much to you, take one and put it in a safe deposit box.

Aw, Fed Up--people will gripe if ya hang 'em with a new rope.

You're right though; this has moved past mundane and into tedious on the way to mind-numbing. Thank Goodness my posts were at least mediocre.

That's the spirit!

All I gottsa say here is I do not usally get into crap like this and will say one thing and one thing only will end up long but heck gotta let it out...

These people that have there groups Adult rated are usually doing artistic things with GUILD and it is rather annoying that MSN wants to catagorize (scuse the spelling I be blind as a bat right now) Someone having an artistic eye and making something that has potential into something artistic.. Is this smut... Well belonging to the array of MSN groups I have seen and am a member of I have seen no smut... No porn nothing.. I don't see people nailing each other in images on the floor in these groups im in.. I mean sure I am sure there are some people who don't have a clue on how to build there own freaking porn site and choose to use msn for that wich I say is wrong and a misuse (can't stand porn either..) But when it comes down to honest graphics designs and an Artistic eye vs. Porn and smut there is a huge Difference in the two... the diffence noted is yea ya have a woman sitting in a chair in a Gstring and no top but thats about it along with an art stensil ect.. Comapired to a fully nude live female showing off her goods... Thats so different.. And it just seems to me that MSN or who ever is taking it out not only on the Groups that create the art but the Artists themselves for making Qulity images that people enjoy to pay for and commmpete for in there groups... So whats my thing wellllll lets seeeee mabye MSN needs to be trained in the difference between What is Artistic and what is PORN... cuz the lil people who are working there bums off to provide others with a qulity graphicing group (hence forth teaching howtos with certain stuffs)These groups are not smut they are Artistic and helpfule to some..

So that note msn needs to get off there duff and look into the right groups before they do this and close the wrong ones down....

Since MHM has decided to put there link out I will boldy put my Adult PSP Group out. We PROUDLY support GILD and you will see that it is not a "PORN" site !! All of us are very close and we try hard to abide by MSN rules including the games we play to. IF you join say you got it from here. You must be 18 and older. We take no Blank applications. All are welcome to come and see that it isn't a porn site! My site has stayed the number two Adult site this whole week. We all work VERY hard as all the owners of Adult Sites do!!!
http://groups.msn.com/DivineKreations
That is the link. We hold tons of Contests to win Gild that I Buy myself.
I will continue to support MSN. If they do change over I might or might not change. If it is a porn website I refuse to change over.
Hugs and love
Kari

i cudnt have said better my self
i use artists like keith garvy,lorenzo demaurio,spelonga,barbara jenson,monte moore,dave nestler,

i hardly think these artists should be classed as porn, yes some show a lil more than others but pornagrafic nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I am getting this is spam..Someone I know emailed MSN and they got a reply saying MSN knew nothing about this change and suspected it as spam.

So can anyone offer proof as to whats going on here?

mediocre? ummmm repeditive maybe.

I agree. I think instead of turning the Adult groups over to this other site, MSN should require anyone wanting to join an Adult site to provide a credit card or bank account info to verify age. If this should be done, then I think that MSN should police it not some other group who obviously looks like a porn site.

I will be heartbroken if we loose them. I don't know what to think anymore. I had trust in Msn Now I feel like my trust has been broken. I want so bad to think this is all a hoax. Msn is not taking the right actions and I don't know what else to do. I have created a backup site however if this is the case because I will NOT be going over to a porn site.
Hugs and love
Kari

Very upset that MSN didn't give me any warning at all. The group that I have all my graphics on is now inaccesable.

I had switched it to mature now we are back to adult. I guess whatever happens happens and I've asked my group to not talk anymore about it. We have everything backed up to A G rated site.
Kari

agh...i just reread this and it does make it sound like I'm attacking the poster above. When I say you, it is a general term.

My art teacher told me that their is a fine line between art and porn...a very fine line. The reason for this is that the defination on porn can differ from person to person. My fiance and I talked about what is considered porn and what isn't. If you look at a piece of art and get turned on, then that is porn.

I can sit here and tell you that some of the paintings that garv has done, my teacher classifies them as porn for examples of that thin line.

You can't sit there and tell me that showing genitalia is not porn? If that is so, then what is hentai?

Sorry, I have to "repead" them in order for you to "unnerstan" them.

This is a response to White rose..

Yea I can sit here and Graphically say that Keith Garvy is not pornn...

Hmm why well one reson.. Showing Genitaila is different than sitting there with Scuse me (C*m shot all over the face of person..) I have NEVER seen that in his art since I started with this...

If that is so, then what is hentai?

Good question... Hentai is Anime pornography hence forth in the refernce to the paragraph above Keith Garvy I have not seen any kinds of Hentai.. Yes his is anime and yea his show breasts and lots more but lemme ask ya.. Does he show any kind of sexual acts? Does he show any kinds of sexual relations between to anime characters... Do you or have you ever seen a (scuse me again) C*m shot made from KEITH GARVY.. Thats the difference between his ART (and I use this word Art wisely) and HENTAI..

To me I think ya need a new Art teacher and and I think you need to rethink it when you quallify this Well known Artist as a Porn or Hentai artist..

There I have answered your Question... And whne ya type a nother one think before ya do cuz Bashing artists is just palin out rude and obnoxious...

Laffs Garvy hentai lmao thats a funny one

I don't understand why everyone is so upset to be honest. I have 2 groups..one is "Mature" rated..meaning no one under 18. If they have no profile..they're gone! My other group is "G" rated. If MSN takes either of them..I'll just start over..No big deal! It would suck..but such is life. Nothing you can do really if this is true. I agree though..GW has alot to do with this..Soooooo incredibly glad he CANNOT run again! He can't even think for himself..other people do it for him. Sad, but True. I think they should leave the PSP Groups alone though..these people work hard on making Tags, and they aren't bothering anyone. I have read down thru all of these messages, and I think there is one person here who is here solely to cause problems. Why bother post here, if you have nothing valid or intelligent to say! I don't think I have to tell you WHO you are now do I? As far as children go..it's not rocket science buddy...watch your kids..monitor them..you can restrict where they go! Helllloooooo! DUH!

Hello,

Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support.

This is Dolores and I will be assisting you today.

Regarding your inquiry about MSN Adult Groups, there have been speculations about our plans for MSN Adult and Mature-rated Groups. We hope that the responses to the frequently asked questions below will answer your concerns:

Will MSN Adult Rated Groups be Shut Down?
MSN will no longer host adult contents, but it does not mean you cannot continue to enjoy Adult Groups. We will provide the tools for you to move your Group to a new service that contains new and improved features. Details on how to take advantage of the new service will be made available soon. Please check your Groups email address and the Whats New section for updates.

Why are you shutting Adult Groups down?
MSN services are used by a broad audience with over 420 million unique users visiting MSN each month worldwide. In an effort to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers, we decided to make these changes to MSN Groups.
Hosting and developing communities for adult content is not an area of expertise for MSN.

What if my Group contains no porn?
The new service will allow users to choose from two options. A site for adult rated content (including sexually explicit material) and a site for mature-rated content (no sexually explicit material). You get to decide which one is appropriate for your Group and your needs. MSN Adult Groups today mixes both, but the new service will allow you to choose the category that best fits your needs.

Does this apply to Mature-Rated or any other Groups?
Only adult rated Groups will be affected. If your Group is rated Mature it will not change.

Is this the first step in shutting down the rest of Groups?
At this time, we are transitioning Adult Groups but there are no other changes to MSN Groups. Today there are multiple places to share information with groups of people on MSN including MSN Spaces and MSN Groups. We are committed to continue providing a place for our customers to connect with each other in group settings.

Who will provide the new service?
To ensure the Adult Group communities needs are met, we will be working with a third-party service who specializes in hosting and developing communities for adults, whether that means sexually explicit material or simply adults wanting to be an environment free from minors.
We will be providing details of the new service provider soon.

Will I have to pay for this service?
No. The core service will be provided at no additional cost and will offer additional features not currently available in Groups. For example, unlike the storage limits on Groups, the new service will place no restrictions on storage for photos or even videos.

So what is this rumor I have heard about credit cards?
You will continue to see the MSN Adult Groups that you are a member of if they have been moved to the new service. You will not need to verify your age with a credit card to access the content you already have access to. However, to ensure that minors are not able to access inappropriate content, you will be asked to verify your age using a credit card if you wish to see content in some NEW adult-content types, but there is certainly no obligation for you to do this.

Will I have to rebuild my Group from scratch?
Not at all. We have been working hard to build an easy way for you to move your content with one-click conversion to the new service and maintain your content and membership.

Will my Group be moved without my permission?
Absolutely not. We will ask you for your permission to move any content to the new service and will not move anything unless you or your Group Manager tell us it is OK.

What do I need to do?
For now, continue to enjoy MSN Groups. We will notify our users through e-mail and the Whats New Section in the near future. The new service offers a much richer experience for our Adult Groups users at no additional cost and more choice in the classification of your Group. We will make it easy for you to ensure you do not have to start your Group from scratch. We will keep you updated.

If you have other concerns, please feel free to write us back.

Thank you for using MSN Groups.

Sincerely,

Dolores
MSN Groups Technical Support

Wow at least you can change your group's rating, I would check again, because there is no error message when I try to change mine to mature, it just stays as Adult. I am also upset over this (hoping for the best, fearing the worst)Everyone just needs to calm down and backup their group if their worried!!

Anyone notice that "Dolores" rhymes with a female body part?

There: that smutty 'nuff for ya?

I have and Adult site and it is by no means a porn site, we enjoy adult humour and basically enjoy being adults, I am the mother of 4 children and it is up to ME to make sure that they are not going on sites that they should not be on, surely if we have put our groups into categories that are shown to be for Adults only then we have already warned people. I also pay for my msn account so they have my details etc. is this just the start of getting rid of all communities???????

I totally concur with many comments on here, and disagree with others. I myself run a group catagorised as adult purely as some of the siggies in the group may show anotomical parts but even then, only waist and above NOT below. This type of art has links to sites that require u to be 18+ so what choice do we have but to make the group adult!!!! not exactly porn and for gods sake the SUN is more pornographic but u still find that on the bottom shelf with no age restrictions!! MSN does really need to decide and sort out the differences between p 0 r n and art it aint rocket science. And yes what legal rights do they have to pass over any information to an adult rated group that does run P 0 R N!

Keith Garvey does have cumshots and sexual acts in many many of his pieces.
Obviously they are not images that will be released by GILD, I doubt they'll ever do the EAC art.
But that said, I'm not bothered where the group is hosted, or under what mantle, as long as the transition is smooth and ALL the content gets moved to right places.

excuse my utter ignorance...
which body part would that be?

Here is the final decision I have made concerning my group. This is what I posted for my members
We will finish up all contests here and then we will start having new contests in the Mature Rated site. I switched it from G To mature rated last night. I will get all the info we need for a Mature rated site. I am not closing this site down. I will switch it over to world groups and see what they have to offer but not knowning for sure of loosing things I will switch things over to the new site. This new site is going to be mainly Gild Images only and no links up to websites. Most websites contain porn...even some artists have links on their sites to porn. That is what can get a group shut down. On Gild Images you don't have to link back to the website you just have to put your license number. I will be holding more contests for GILD. This makes me even support GILD more. There will be some artists we allow outside of GILD but not very much. There websites will be checked very carefully. Please be patient with us while we do this transition. Like I said wrap up all contests here...which means finish the adult chat thread lol. We will have a mature rated chat thread in the other site. Once we get world groups and switch over then everyone can see if they like it or not or if we still perfer the mature rated site.I am very upset over this whole thing and have cried almost all night. I hope noone leaves me and that all of us pull all together even more because of it.
I love and need you all right now. Please be patient with me the next couple of weeks because I will be a emotional rollarcoaster.
Here is the link for the new site http://groups.msn.com/DivineKreationSignatures
I want to say thank you all so much for being here for me and being my family. Yes we've had our downs but I think the downs is what makes a good family stronger.
Hugs and Love
Kari

What exactly is "sexual explicit"? Are naturists snapshots explicit?
Are they regarded as being pornographic?

That would be showing things such as private parts and real graphic detail pictures....If they are covered its ok. Some of the breast can be showing as long as its not fully hanging out....I hope this helps some!

I should have guessed so. We're back in the Victorian Ages where naked genitalia are to be censured.
Talking about double hypocritical standards: naked "private" parts are to be banned while everyone can buy a gun...
Puritans rule again!

Hello,
Thank you for writing to MSN Groups Technical Support.
This is Dolores and I will be assisting you today.
Regarding your inquiry about MSN Adult Groups, there have been speculations about our plans for MSN Adult and Mature-rated Groups. We hope that the responses to the frequently asked questions below will answer your concerns:
Will MSN Adult Rated Groups be Shut Down?
MSN will no longer host adult contents, but it does not mean you cannot continue to enjoy Adult Groups. We will provide the tools for you to move your Group to a new service that contains new and improved features. Details on how to take advantage of the new service will be made available soon. Please check your Groups email address and the Whats New section for updates.
Why are you shutting Adult Groups down?
MSN services are used by a broad audience with over 420 million unique users visiting MSN each month worldwide. In an effort to ensure that content is appropriate for all viewers, we decided to make these changes to MSN Groups.
Hosting and developing communities for adult content is not an area of expertise for MSN.
What if my Group contains no porn?
The new service will allow users to choose from two options. A site for adult rated content (including sexually explicit material) and a site for mature-rated content (no sexually explicit material). You get to decide which one is appropriate for your Group and your needs. MSN Adult Groups today mixes both, but the new service will allow you to choose the category that best fits your needs.
Does this apply to Mature-Rated or any other Groups?
Only adult rated Groups will be affected. If your Group is rated Mature it will not change.
Is this the first step in shutting down the rest of Groups?
At this time, we are transitioning Adult Groups but there are no other changes to MSN Groups. Today there are multiple places to share information with groups of people on MSN including MSN Spaces and MSN Groups. We are committed to continue providing a place for our customers to connect with each other in group settings.
Who will provide the new service?
To ensure the Adult Group communities needs are met, we will be working with a third-party service who specializes in hosting and developing communities for adults, whether that means sexually explicit material or simply adults wanting to be an environment free from minors.
We will be providing details of the new service provider soon.
Will I have to pay for this service?
No. The core service will be provided at no additional cost and will offer additional features not currently available in Groups. For example, unlike the storage limits on Groups, the new service will place no restrictions on storage for photos or even videos.
So what is this rumor I have heard about credit cards?
You will continue to see the MSN Adult Groups that you are a member of if they have been moved to the new service. You will not need to verify your age with a credit card to access the content you already have access to. However, to ensure that minors are not able to access inappropriate content, you will be asked to verify your age using a credit card if you wish to see content in some NEW adult-content types, but there is certainly no obligation for you to do this.
Will I have to rebuild my Group from scratch?
Not at all. We have been working hard to build an easy way for you to move your content with one-click conversion to the new service and maintain your content and membership.
Will my Group be moved without my permission?
Absolutely not. We will ask you for your permission to move any content to the new service and will not move anything unless you or your Group Manager tell us it is OK.
What do I need to do?
For now, continue to enjoy MSN Groups. We will notify our users through e-mail and the Whats New Section in the near future. The new service offers a much richer experience for our Adult Groups users at no additional cost and more choice in the classification of your Group. We will make it easy for you to ensure you do not have to start your Group from scratch. We will keep you updated.
If you have other concerns, please feel free to write us back.
Thank you for using MSN Groups.
Sincerely,
Dolores
MSN Groups Technical Support

Oh please. There was nothing bashing in my post. So having an opinion different then yours is rude and obnoxious? As I said in my previous post before you decided to flame me, people's opinions of porn are different. That is the main reason why porn and erotic art is such a controversial topic. It was you who started the bashing. But I would never hide behind the "Showing Genitaila is different than sitting there with C*m shot all over the face of person ". In accessment of this statement, half the porn that porn sites show aren't really porn. What you are describing is called h*rdc*re. There is a softer porn that is called S*ftc*re. Alot of erotic art will fall in this catorgory.

As an artist myself (and I am not talking about PSPing...I'm talking about old fashion art...pencil and paper), I would never bash an artist. I happen to like Garv's work and would use him in the adult groups I am a member of before he went G.I.L.D.

As for your knock on my art teacher, almost every art teacher that *I* have talked to imply the same thing about the thin line. I think it is poor form (and a bit foolish) to bash someone just because their opinion is not the same as yours.

I was mearely showing pieces of art that is considered porn. There was no where in my piece of writing where I called Keith Garvey hentai. Did you know that dozens of porn sites link to his site and, often, he is artist of the month at these sites? I tried to find the Pandora site that listed all of his artwork (even his previous ones) but they recently closed down.

Have you seen any of Keith Garvy's artwork on his site? Or have you only seen the ones that are part of the GILD package?

Under Nudity (last time I checked his site) there were some very explicit sexual shots. There are few paintings where he shows c*mshots as the poster below you mentions. There are few shots that show C*M on other parts of the women.

I have not attact anyone here, and I would like that same respect. Perhaps you need to read alittle more indepth and instead of posting out of anger.

With that said, I want to say that I have nothing against porn. In fact, some of the drawings and paintings that I personally do can be considered porn. I doubt that I will be moving to World Groups. The simple fact is that I don't trust people with my credit cards. My husband and I wanted to start a relationship help group,that deals with co-dependancy, but it would be rated adult. I would rather have a general co-dependant group on MSN then be lumped in with porn. But I have a feeling that many people feel this way.

Mistress Kari,
I'm glad that you changed your group settings back. I have a group as well, and would not appreciate it being stumbled upon or mistaken for a G Rated group... oh my! Gasp!
ad***t
PS - Found your profile... WOO HOO!!! Thank you.

I guess so much for freedom of speech. What is up with MSN do they think this is going to stop there problem?? I think over half there sites are adult. They will lose so many folks they will end up having to shut down. I have been using MSN for over 6 years and I have two kids and let me tell you they learn more at school then they can on any MSN group. If people don't want there kids seeing the stuff on MSN they should be watching them. Why should everyone else pay for a group of people that are to lazy to keep an eye on there kids.
I totally agree with Athenalid.