Microsoft Releases Public IE7 Preview

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

January 31, 2006, 12:53 PM

Microsoft on Tuesday made available for public download a pre-Beta 2 release of Internet Explorer 7, which is designed to showcase features the new browser will bring and give developers time to play with the latest technology. IE7 notably adds a tabbed interface and improves browser security.

Although the release is not yet Beta 2, because it "requires additional fit and finish work," Microsoft sees the preview as a major milestone over Beta 1. A key addition is the integration of the Windows RSS platform that provides a framework for downloading, storing and accessing RSS feeds across the operating system.

For example, a user can subscribe to a feed in one application and have that feed data available to any other application.

"Microsoft is making the Windows RSS platform available to Windows XP users for the first time," a company spokesperson told BetaNews. "This is big news for developers and is really exciting for Microsoft and the community we've been working with."

Security features such as ActiveX controls being disabled by default and a phishing filter promise to keep Web surfers safe at a time when attacks are becoming more commonplace. IE7 also locks down cross site scripting and international domain names to prevent malicious use.

On the interface side, Microsoft says it has endeavored to make IE7 simpler, more streamlined and less cluttered. A customizable search box enables users to make quick queries to the engine of their choice, and a Favorites Center clusters favorites, tab groups, history and RSS feeds into a single panel.

"Microsoft definitely is making progress," noted Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox. "The UI is more refined, but by no means finished. Microsoft has finally reached the point where IE feels like a modern browser."

A page zoom feature has also been added to aid those with vision disabilities. When a page is zoomed, images are also enlarged along with text. IE7 additionally will shrink a Web page for printing, with an option for printing only selected text.

Multiple homepages are now supported through the use of multiple tabs. "I see that as potential boon for Microsoft or PC partners, depending on which is setting the home pages," said Wilcox. "So, say, Alienware could ship a PC with default home page tabs for its main Website, support page and downloads page."

Under the covers, Microsoft has beefed up IE7's technical capabilities. CSS improvements and transparent PNG support catch the browser up to rivals such as Firefox, and native support for XMLHTTP means AJAX-based Web applications will no longer require an ActiveX control to function.

"Microsoft is encouraging Web and application developers and technology early adopters to install the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview to test compatibility, become familiar with the new capabilities, and provide feedback to Microsoft," the company said.

The Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 preview works only with Windows XP SP2.

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By smta

edited Feb 1, 2007 - 2:11 AM

EI7 cause severe problems when visiting java based websites. How can I change my java scripts to avoid this problem?

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By evazero

edited Jan 17, 2007 - 6:35 AM

This scroll wheel thing is so frustrating. I keep forgeting it isn't working properly...

PLEASE if anyone has fixed this let me know! It's driving me INSANE!!!!

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By kasey813

edited May 2, 2006 - 10:06 PM

Anyone know how to make the scroll wheel on the mouse not go by it's self? if I scroll down one click it scrolls slowly by it's self until the end of the page!!! I have looked EVERYWHERE to try to find a way to turn it off - No luck. I don't know what "smooth scrolling" is but I tried turning that off and it didn't work... help?

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By sgolston

edited Jul 3, 2006 - 4:39 AM

Did anyone ever answer this question about the annoying problem with the scroll wheel making the page scroll by itself? I've searched high and low and can't find a solution for this frustrating problem.

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By jackannie

edited Apr 30, 2006 - 10:23 AM

Where is "msfeed" that the installation of IE7 requires?

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By FRANKLINN

posted Feb 15, 2006 - 4:17 AM

WHAT DO YOU DO?

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By FRANKLINN

edited Feb 15, 2006 - 4:14 AM

this release is very interesting i think that will be successfull for microsoft ie
greatìngs

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By Bert Janssen

edited Feb 8, 2006 - 12:57 PM

I have installed IE 7 beta: IE7 ''hangs'' and also Macafee.
How to solve / what is wrong??

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By donce

posted Feb 5, 2006 - 4:41 PM

Hoped IE7 Beta 2 solved problem with Outlook Express but seems they didn't :(
The problem was (and still it is) when clicking on hyperlink in OE and nothing is goin' on or opens OE folder. This is when default browser is not IE e.g. Opera

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By donce

posted Feb 5, 2006 - 4:40 PM

Hoped IE7 Beta 2 solved problem with Outlook Express but seems they didn't :(
The problem was (and still it is) when clicking on hyperlink in OE and nothing is goin' on or opens OE folder. This is when default browser is not IE e.g. Opera

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By ServerMechanic

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 10:29 AM

No idea what happened here. Sorry.

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By ServerMechanic

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 10:23 AM

You can read my review here :)

http://www.neowin.net/fo...ex.php?showtopic=427748

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By Biozfear

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 10:03 AM

hummm a bit messy, not to mention some pages it takes almost double the time to load in comparsion with IE6...
aint a fan of FF, but the choice still goes to avant broswer and Opera.
by the time MS makes something nice, i guess we will all b grandfathers.... sight...

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By jron

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 5:28 AM

until they include a google search bar by default, you can count me out :P

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By ds0934

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 11:04 AM

Um, I've done three test installs of IE7 on three different XP machines. All three had the Google toolbar installed on IE6 with Google set as the default search page. IE7 left them all as-is, no change to toolbar or default search. Still works fine for me. That alone speaks volumes to me at least. MS is taking a softer approach this time. Not being has heavyhanded on overtaking settings. So far at least.

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By wincement

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 12:16 PM

Wow. Second dumbest right here.

There's this little box up at the top right corner. See that? Notice the little Google icon JUST like FF's search box?

There ya go.

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 6:27 AM

And the award for the Betanews most idiotic comment goes to.... jron... for his Google Toolbar comment...

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 9:58 AM

lmao, classic

Seriously though, I hope the include more than one search engine in the seasrch box on final release.

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By Eriq

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 3:49 AM

It'd be decent if the traditional menu were there. It was frustrating trying to find all the most used commands because they were all moved. Microsoft should return/make the regular menu visible and just give users a choice to hide it and use the new interface if they'd like.

Because of that I uninstalled it.

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By ae6dx

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:52 PM

I am trying to permanently display the menu bar but I can't find the window incon that help talks about. How dop I do it so I don't have to press F10 each time?

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By crashoverride

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 9:57 AM

Click the Tools button. Go to toolbars then select Classic Menu.

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By oldog55

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 10:35 PM

I tried it, Why do they have to screwup a good product, Stay with the classic setup. Was an easy uninstall, No problems going back to original setup.

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By speedylogins

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 9:02 PM

If they only used the Gecko engine and had all of Firefoxes extentions and didn't suck at life... this would be a good product... Go FF.

check out:

www.speedylogins.com

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By MissionAccomplished

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:55 PM

Yes, IE7 Beta 2 has problems, though I have had no issue with MSN Messenger and the viewing of most common websites, it DOES have its' fair share of problems: UPS.com renders blank pages, the UI is not as intuitive and page loads seem to be slower than what I had expected. However, those asking for uninstall directions are just begging for trouble.

Any Beta software release (Microsoft or otherwise) should be tested on a non-production, non-critical and non-personal machine. If you don't have access to a second machine, install your OS of choice on a different drive or second partition and/or get a copy of Virtual PC or VMware and test it inside of that environment, AFTER performing a snapshot or a backup of a clean Windows OS environment.

Or am I missing the point entirely :)

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:54 PM

Has anyone noticed that the supposed patching system in FF1.5 doesn't work. Just updated to 1.5.0.1, tried to do the update and was told that it couldn't apply the patch and needed to do a complete download. Seems Mozilla is taking Google's constant beta approach.

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By trevithick

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:35 PM

I just used it, and it worked as advertised. It has failed in the past though.

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 12:12 AM

I wonder if maybe there's something wrong with my user profile that's causing a problem.

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By Floodland

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:11 PM

How many years to release this pain in the a**?
As expected, too little, too late and plenty of bugs.
Every time I use a Microsoft product (other than Windoze) I had to return to the alternative, name it Opera, Open Office, Google *
I'm still waiting to see a simple Microsoft product: Without registry forth and backs, diferent dlls with same name. Just a product you can drop it in your hard disk and works.

Microsoft please: Learn something from Apple, don't steal only the UI

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By Steve33062

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:02 PM

How can I remove IE7 beta and return to IE6, I don't see anything in ADD/Remove programs?

Thanks

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:52 PM

Go to add/remove programs and put a check beside show updates.

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By Steve33062

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:03 PM

Hey Crash see nothing about IE7 when I check that box??

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:06 PM

It should be listed somewhere down the list under Windows XP - Software Updates.

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By khisanth

edited Mar 20, 2006 - 10:17 AM

I cant find any mention of IE7 beta 1 when i go to uninstall it (EA's download app is not compatible). Add/remove programs even with updates ticked does not show it.

HELP! i need to uninstall it! beta 2 installer doesnt remove it either

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By Steve33062

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:10 PM

Crash Much thanks found it

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:10 PM

You're welcome, glad to help.

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By crashoverride

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 4:19 PM

I like the new interface myself. It's clean, well organized, and very simple to use. I think the biggest problem for most people is going to be fear of change.

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By Gerwin

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 4:31 AM

It's not clear, it's not well organized and it's a mess. Liar.

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By richardhill

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 4:13 PM

Did this install kill anyone else's MSN Messenger? I've tried downloading it again but it now tells me on install that I have a newer version than the one available for download. Poo.

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 4:15 PM

No problems with messenger here.

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By sirhardi

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 3:25 PM

Strange, no one mentioned this, so i assume its my machine.
Favorite icons all missing, i am talking the html icons.
As a matter of fact, i was unable to open any of my favorites since they got merged.
MSN searchis the default and cannot be removed ??
Online banking throws a warning up ..not supported.
The phishing add on may be cool but that is a very slim field, who decides this and i do agree, the gui looks horrible.
HOWEVER the page rendring is FAR faster thanprevious.
Was worht a look but i went back for the time being.
Thanks for the glimpse.

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By Race24wc

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:49 PM

Yes, MSN Search is the default, but you CAN CHANGE it to whatever you want to. Go to the upper right hand corner where you see MSN Search and you will see a magnifying glass and an arrow to the right of it. Click on the arrow and then click "change search defaults" and you can enter your search engine of choice.

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 4:13 PM

To get more search engines click on the drop down beside the search box. The select get more search providers.

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By trophyguy™

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 2:48 PM

Careful if you use stuff like UPS.com because IE7 and them dont mix. Plus if you use MSN Explorer, IE7 is now intergrated into it.

Other than that, I like it :)

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By fatray

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 2:31 PM

Web pages I visit don't work right. download.com, voipbuster.com (when signing on to buy time). Back to OPERA

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By wincement

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 5:01 PM

Three words (or four depending on how you look at it):

It's.

A.

Beta.

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By ServerMechanic

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 4:54 PM

Weeeeeeee...

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By wincement

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:05 PM

Lol. Apparently, no one is allowed to have an opinion on here. I saw what you wrote originally, and I just want to say: I give you my express permission to not like IE7. =p

hmmm... that really doesn't help, does it? Oh well.

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By maniakmx3

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:29 PM

You wanna know what you just Proved by your comment to this article?

THAT IT"S A BETA!!!

Yeah...meaning it's not done, it's not suppose to be on everyones computer yet. etc...

Wait to critize the FINAL :)

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By ServerMechanic

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:42 PM

Remember all the Firefox Beta's? They came out looking the same when they were finished. Most of the fixes were internal.

Heck some Firefox Beta's run better than finished versions of IE 6.

I know it's not done toolbox. That's why I posted here at "BETAnews" because I'm talking about a beta.

Man are you whiney. :-)

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By maniakmx3

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 3:57 PM

shhh :)

Also, you can organize the favorites. Click ont he little yellow "plus" symbol lookin thingy on the left hand side, and goto "organize favorites"

You can remove the tools n stuff, just right click over the word "tools" and goto "Customize"

No you can't move stuff around...yeah that sucks but oh well, it is cool though that you can change the search provider in the search bar.

Play with it some more, it actually has alot more features than alot of people probably think. So far I kinda like it, it needs work of course, and it's very unstable.

Also yeah, Firefox is still better from my Point of view.

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By ds0934

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:33 PM

It's one thing to post observations about beta products, that's an important part of the beta process. It's another thing entirely to stick a final judgement on it when it's not done. Most of those types of comments are narrow-minded flamers making their voice heard. I would rather have multiple, competing browsers (or any product) since the competetion makes for better features, cheaper prices and we as users win in the end (hopefully).

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By maniakmx3

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 3:50 PM

what the hell are you talking about? Did you mean to reply to the post I replied to? or me? because if you replied to me, you made absoluty no sence.

I was stating, don't down the browser when it's in beta stages, wait til the finished product is released before you begin to critisize,

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By ds0934

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 11:01 AM

Sorry dude, I was replying to fatray (or whatever he/she goes by).

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By ds0934

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:27 PM

(ServerMechanic:) What are you running? I right-click and "Sort by Name" works fine on my Favorites list.

I agree with points 2, 3, 4 though. It's like two steps forward and one step back. It obviously needs more work to come close to Maxthon or Opera.

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By ServerMechanic

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 1:46 PM

I'm running Windows XP Pro with SP2 and the version of IE 7 Beta 2 that I downloaded from Microsoft this morning. I don't know the version because that baby is no longer installed.

Are you sorting the favorites via the classic menu or via the new Favorites Center (the star on the left side)?

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By yizuman

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 12:22 PM

It's a test build for developers such as IT developers and website builders. All of the cool features will be added into the browser when it is finished.

RTFA!

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By ServerMechanic

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:43 PM

I know. I am one of those guys buddy. They may add more features but I bet it still looks the same.

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By cowgaR

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:28 AM

I won't go into arguing with anyone about the quality of 'IE' developer team in MS. The look of IE is maybe built with the zillion of administrative folks and average joes in mind. I find it 'like I still haven't wake up from a nightmare dream' in year 2006 ergonomic standards.

The only thing that interest me and really matters is the rendering core, if it will be good interface can be exchanged. Either for Maxhton or Avant browser or for Firefox with IE-tab extension.

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By joeshmoe7

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:25 AM

yeah the number 4, that one irks me a bit from all the screenshots ive seen. Really hoping they fix that.

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By apexracer

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:17 AM

finally... I can get all my opera functionality in IE ;-)

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By ds0934

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:28 PM

Holy cow! This guy obviously hasn't spent much time using one or the other to compare them reliably.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:22 AM

"All?" I don't think so.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:16 AM

This thing MS thinks is a modern browser downright sucks. It's a POS, even!

Responding to those who defend IE7's beta status, Microsoft has had a year to fix several issues that simply should not exist after all the [highly touted by MS itself] beta testing already done. This isn't a beta release; it's all but an alpha!

IE7 clearly demonstrates the vast differences in mindset and corporate culture between MS and Google. (No, I am not a Google-lite.) Google releases betas that work both well and innovatively, right out of the gates. (No pun intended.) MS releases a beta that does not work and has absolutely nothing innovative. In other words, there's neither sizzle nor steak.

Jeesh, Gates and gang didn't even have the common sense to copy several common sense ideas already found in other browsers. In sum, there are no excuses other than stupidity and arrogance for this POS Microsoft is trying to pass off as a "modern" browser.

(BTW, I am an IE fan. Well, actually Maxthon. But, I can still be a tad objective about the most obvious of things. That said, IE7 obviously isn't the browser either Microsoft or its customers need. I now see it never will be.)

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By reinholder

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 12:55 AM

You're full of crap. That's all there is to it. This is a amssive improvement and just a taste of what we can expect with vista.

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By Desides

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:23 AM

"This isn't a beta release; it's all but an alpha!"

Generally, pre-beta means alpha, yes. Stunning insight.

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By wincement

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 12:11 AM

Actually, this is a beta. The version is Beta 2 Preview. Beta 1 has been out for months.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 10:16 AM

Even if you call a dog a cat, it's still a dog. Forget what Microsoft is telling you and think for yourself.

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By wincement

edited Feb 2, 2006 - 12:10 PM

I was referring to the post just before mine. He was saying that because of the name "Pre-beta" that MS was essentially calling it an Alpha. I was correcting that error.

I'm not going to debate with you whether or not this release is alpha or beta material. Frankly, I don't give a crap.

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By Gerwin

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 8:43 AM

If you look at this, one thing is absolutely obvious: MS is utterly unable to design UIs. It looks like it is made up by a committee of camels.
What a mess.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:27 AM

I concur. The UI is truly awful. It wasn't designed by a committee of camels, but by the camel dung committee.

(And again, before the flames, I am a worshiper of no browser. I use them all. However, Maxthon has long been what IE7 should now be.)

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By ds0934

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:30 PM

No kidding! If Maxthon would just make a few tweaks it would be a solid substitute. They still need to fix some issues with admin rights, multiple users, and system hangs during render scans, but the last one is minor.

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By yohimbe9

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 8:58 AM

I'm not trolling but can you elaborate on that? To me the interface looks a lot like Safari actually. I actually like the fact that the buttons are colored in IE compred to Safari where you have to guess. I also like that they got rid of a lot of clutter.

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By bbfc

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:30 AM

I for one (out of not very many by the looks of it!) am really impressed with IE7.

It's a vast improvement over IE6 and its UI is very impressive.

Obviously with this being a BETA/BETA Preview, there are still issues with it, i.e. the toolbars cannot be moved and you always have to click the drop down button to get the last option, even if you take off most of them, and also, some sites do not render correctly, especially msn, although Live! Mail seems to working now.

I look forward to beta 2 and the final release later this year. I think this might just win IE a few more fans, and those people who crossed over to firefox (which I use, so i'm not slating it), move back to IE.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:57 PM

"the toolbars cannot be moved and you always have to click the drop down button to get the last option..."

You did uncheck the "Lock the Toolbars" option under "View...->Toolbars", right?

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By pjb

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 12:41 PM

JScript Menus are fully displayed. Instead of drop down on hover over, they are all constant. Hopfully this will be fixed.

For yohimbe9: One example is www.mayfieldschool.co.uk

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By yohimbe9

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:26 AM

Do you have an example of one? Without looking at anything my first guess is that this is an example of non-forward looking code, or javascript code that planned for browsers that currently existed but didn't spend much time on what might happen in the future. Checking the version number of the browser instead of what it supports is the biggest example that comes to mind.

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By Kramy

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 1:43 AM

So....can anyone tell me if this goes fullscreen when you hit F11? I don't exactly want it to touch my box to find out.

(Win2k)

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 2:11 AM

Hadn't even though about it till you mentioned, but yep, it does.

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By Kramy

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 4:27 AM

Awesome, that's one feature I want in any browser! Now all it needs is that lovely FF scroll ball. :D

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By yohimbe9

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:06 AM

What's with the FF scrollball talk? IE's had that since at least 6 and I think maybe even 5.5 or earlier.

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By Kramy

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 12:29 AM

Firefox's is smooth and doesn't instantly jump when you get farther away. Basically, just a better speed setting.

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By mjm01010101

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 1:26 AM

I'm thinking MS's idea of what a beta is and googles are world's apart. In the MS world, Beta can and typically does mean stuff will break, possible data loss, etc. Google usually has niggling bugs, but nothing very show stopping. Oh well.

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By bbfc

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:34 AM

Why post this, the two release completely different software.

MS devlops a Internet Browser, Google develops a toolbar - which one is likely to have more bugs in its beta!?

Also, not an attack on Google (I have a GMAIL account!), just an observation.

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By deadmonkey

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 3:21 AM

Google's and Microsoft's applications are also very different. Google's are either web based apps or small client side applications. Things such as IE are much bigger and more complex and so will have more bugs. For a fair comparison look at how buggy Firefox was before it reached 1.0. I remember using 0.6-0.9 builds that were awful, crashed 20+ times a day, etc. Also if Google were to release a browser it would be in beta for 3 years just like Google News was and GMail is!

Not an attack at Google just pointing out how different they are.

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By joeshmoe7

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 12:49 AM

Well being a firefox junkie, i have to say it looks appealing. Oh and finally disabling active -X by default... bravo on that.. about time!

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By jlsand

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 12:04 AM

Anyone else have any trouble installing IE 7 beta 2? I get an error message "can't find msfeed.dll"

Then it says to check the system log. So, I can't get IE 7 for some reason. Any way to fix this?

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By yohimbe9

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:09 AM

So... did you check the logs?
%windir%\ie7beta2_main.log
%windir%\ie7bet2p.log
%windir%\ie7bet2pUninst.log

http://msdn.microsoft.co...leasenotes/default.aspx

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By drumcat

edited Jan 31, 2006 - 10:47 PM

Yes, I know it's beta, but for a public beta, I was surprised that Flash didn't always render.

As for the fewer toolbars, I have IE6 down to one. If you used tabbed browsing, 3 are compulsory. I would have expected to be able to get to 1 + smaller tabs.

Phishing filter is annoying when you turn it off.

Feed reader didn't aggregate easily. It didn't improve the experience over actually going to most of those sites.

Anyhow, they didn't ask me. All I know is that I am sticking to 6 until they go final. Hopefully they change more than your average public beta.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:20 AM

I can place more (i.e., everything I need, and with room to spare) on two toolbars in Maxthon than I can get on *four* toolbars in IE7. Sad, very sad indeed. As I said over in FileForum, Microsoft seems determined to remove "personal" from personal computer.

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By chetankania

edited Jan 31, 2006 - 8:18 PM

Doesn't work with the new version of hotmail: Windows Live Mail. At least not for me. Let's me login but won't display my mail page. Also doesn't work with Google's map API's. You cant view user created maps made with Google APIs (but you can login to Windows Live Mail and view google maps other than on maps.google.com with Firefox).

Personally, I can wait the month or so until a final version is released. Beta-kiddies always wanting the newest thing...

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 6:22 PM

Windows Live Mail didn't even work when I was using IE6. come to think of it Live.com would only display the Window Live at the top.

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By wincement

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:09 PM

Yeah I noticed the Google Map API problem. It's had that problem since Beta 1. I think it has something to do with the referer ID IE7 sends back to Google when asking for the javascript code.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:02 AM

Just discovered the same here. No Windows Live Mail with their own new-fangled browser. Duh. (All possible features that might keep it from working are turned on.)

And does someone wish to make an "it's only beta" excuse about that? Well, another "Duh." To paraphrase F. Gump, "Stupid is as Microsoft does."

For the record, I have always before been on IE's side. Well, no longer. Even Gump knew when it was time to turn tail and run like hell! So from a [now former] die-hard IE fan, "Watch me run!"

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By wincement

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:12 PM

I'll be the second FF user to say: ummm... sure...

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By Paradise-FH-

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 3:50 PM

if that's the reason you're finally leaving ie let me be the first firefox user to call you an idiot.

windows live is in beta. ie 7 is in beta. why in the world would you expect two nonfinalized products to play nice?

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 2, 2006 - 10:19 AM

Marketing. Customer satisfaction. Two of the best reasons any company has. But also, it's not as if we're talking about *competing* products here. (Jeesh, is anyone here trained in business?)

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By wincement

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 5:11 PM

I second that opinion. Well put.

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By bbfc

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM

"Personally, I can wait the month or so until a final version is released. Beta-kiddies always wanting the newest thing... "

A month .... try a year!

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By HelgeFossmo

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 2:11 AM

retard

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 9:50 PM

you realize you are on BETAnews, yes?

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By rijp

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 10:12 PM

...apparently not.

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By Couscous

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 7:25 PM

So far I don't like it. It's like they took IE6 and tried to see how many buttons they could hide everywhere.

This is going to be hell for people like my grandparents. I'll never be able to guide them through the internet options dialog.

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By ZenWarrior

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 9:39 AM

CousCous, you echo my exact sentiments. That was one of my very first thoughts. I do not look forward to walking my [generally clueless] clients through this bog of a browser that hides things they already cannot find when fully visible.

Thank goodness I've installed Firefox on all their computers. And although they do not use it now, I do believe they will in the future!

Now that's weird -- MS releases their "catch-up" browser and I immediately think of my IE-using clients and [only now] insist, "Use Firefox!" I don't think that was the outcome Microsoft wanted. Oh well, their bad.

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By Realist

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:26 PM

You can't possibly believe that Firefox is easier to use for an inexperienced newbie or your grandparents than IE! Just tell your grandma to open up FF and download the latest update for it and see where that gets you. Too many steps, too many safeguards, too much confusion for the average user.

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By wincement

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 10:43 PM

Umm... Nothing in Internet Options really changed except for the new features they added.

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By rijp

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 10:13 PM

Your grandparents using IE 7 is going to be least of their problem.. having you as a grandchild to rely on for support, is WHOLE 'nother matter...

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By Couscous

edited Feb 1, 2006 - 2:23 AM

I wish I knew what you meant by that.

I'm quickly learning that there is no intelligent discussion to be found on BetaNews. I'll just stick to my regular sites.

Everyone here makes out like there are no gray areas in this world.

My comment wasn't anti-microsoft. It didn't put anyone down.

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By crashoverride

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 10:36 AM

OK I'm sorry if I offended you on my other post. All I ever see is people whining Microsoft did this, Microsoft didn't do that. It gets old really quick.

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By sophist_dreams

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:05 AM

rijp is a troll, intelligent people ignore his comments for the the most part they generally have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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By crashoverride

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 11:57 PM

My thoughts exactly.

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By THZGryphon

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 8:14 PM

It is hardly that different...

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By yohimbe9

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 7:55 PM

Really? You think its that different? Sure they added some features and new icons to the dialog, but overall its pretty much the same. As for the main interface, I think its better that they got rid/hid most of the buttons. I mean, how many people really used the Edit, Discuss, Research, etc. buttons? Heck, I've never even seen anyone use the default Search button and I do web usability testing.

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By Couscous

edited Jan 31, 2006 - 8:22 PM

There are more buttons. Everywhere.

They made it more complicated by trying to simplify the interface.

Now you have to click a button. Then a pulldown appears. Then you have to find the slideout options. Then you finally get to click the option you wanted.

Explain that to an 80 year old over the phone.

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By crashoverride

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 8:37 PM

I dunno, looks like they dumbed it down enough to me. Much more clean and, to me, straight forward. IMO any idiot shoul dbe able to use this.

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By yohimbe9

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 8:43 PM

I agree. How often are you going into the Internet Options with a single person? The only thing I can think of is clearing the cache which they actually moved up in the stack to Tools, Delete Browsing History.

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By Couscous

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 9:29 PM

The biggest problem is the lack of a menu bar. I know it's possible and easy to add it though.

People have gotten used to manipulating their programs that way though.

As far as "crashoverride" and his "IMO any idiot shoul dbe able to use this." statement..

That's probably true. I'm talking about old people though.

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By THZGryphon

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 10:05 PM

What lack of a menu bar?

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By ae6dx

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 11:59 PM

How do you make the menu bar permanent?

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By bbfc

posted Feb 1, 2006 - 7:38 AM

Just hold down the 'ALT' key and the menu appears!

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By Couscous

posted Jan 31, 2006 - 10:16 PM

Go into the Internet Options and choose the Advanced tab. Then click "Reset all Defaults".

The menu bar will go away. The only reason it's there when you first install it is because they try to preserve your current IE6 settings for the beta version.

Once the final is released and automatically installed the menu bar will not be there. And it already isn't if you use the default settings.

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