Microsoft Wants Longhorn Shots Pulled

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

April 27, 2005, 2:54 PM

Microsoft began a surprising effort to remove any unofficial screenshots of its next-generation operating system, code-named Longhorn, Wednesday. The move raised questions as to whether or not the company is attempting to do damage control over increasing criticism of its latest preview build of the new version of Windows.

The effort was apparently expansive and included long-time supporters and evangelists for the platform, even those who have been exempt from Microsoft's non-disclosure agreements in the past. Company representatives e-mailed several sites pointing to an often overlooked portion of the beta licensing agreement that says no screenshots are allowed to be made of the software. Many sites were quick to comply with Redmond's demand.

The controversy started last night after a blogger lunch at WinHEC, Microsoft's yearly conference for Windows hardware developers. Although WinHEC is usually limited to only credentialed journalists, this year Microsoft had sent special invitations to Windows enthusiast sites and well-known bloggers.

The discussion heated up in the WinHEC press room and one attendee asked why Microsoft would implement such a policy. Chris Pirillo of the technology site Lockergnome reportedly remarked, "because it looks like a--," referring to the rather bland appearance of Longhorn. Pirillo further expressed his frustration in his Web log, saying the Longhorn demonstration was "far from impressive, and left me NOT wanting more - but wanting to walk away altogether."

Several high-profile Windows enthusiasts have expressed disappointment with the new Longhorn build, even calling it a "step backward" from last year's public release.

Some have publicly challenged Microsoft and have refused to take down the Longhorn shots. "I am a legitimate member of the trade press and would never have agreed to an expensive trip to Seattle if I knew that Microsoft was, for the first time, mysteriously not letting people post photos of a publicly-released Windows build," complained Paul Thurrott, most commonly known for his WinInfo newsletter and WinSuperSite enthusiast site.

Mary Jo Foley of Ziff Davis' Microsoft Watch seemed to agree. "I think it's time Microsoft rethought its policies regarding Windows betas," Foley told BetaNews. "When Microsoft releases any kind of build to a large group of testers and they are not under NDA, it seems like they should be allowed to post any and all screenshots and to do thorough reviews of these beta releases. There is no justification for Microsoft believing that this kind of information should be kept secret."

At the end of the day, by going after those who promote its products Microsoft's actions could prove more detrimental to the future of Longhorn than the exposure of pre-release screenshots. "Microsoft has handled this situation extremely poorly, and it's not appreciated," Thurrott wrote Wednesday morning. "Way to throttle back the enthusiasm even further, guys."

Microsoft representatives were not available to comment by press time.

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By qwertyu

posted Aug 16, 2005 - 6:27 PM

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By Aires

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 5:07 AM

If you all do a bit of research instead of mouthing off, it seems as though Thurrott did receive a valid explanation in the end. It relates to the fact that some of the stuff on the screenshots hadn't been applied for patents. Microsoft may have been short sighted in not warning people in advance they wouldn't be able to post screenshots on the web, but it seems a valid explanation to me and they're quite entitled to do it. They were just very short sighted in not warning people in advance.

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By nate

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 7:57 AM

Except none of the shots had anything more than Windows XP has now. I seriously doubt the new temporary theme or installer is really going to be patented. Microsoft created an entirely new UI for Windows Media Center Edition, which is truly not the case here.

Hell, previous screenshots of Longhorn (from last WinHEC and leaked builds) had more patentable stuff being shown off. The whole ordeal smells a bit fishy to me.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:52 AM

If I were MS, I wouldn't want screens of this build released either. Not because I would feel like it was screwed up, but because it's not presentable....simply because that wasn't the idea behind this build.

People keep complaining that the UI looks bad. They haven't even started on LongHorn's UI yet...let's get the foundation in place before we put on the siding, eh? Avalon, the force behind longhorn's GUI isn't even done yet. How can anyone with half a brain expect to see the end results of something that isn't even done yet?

Sounds to me like you were all expecting the final build and that they were kidding about the whole 'alpha' thing.

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By NULLedge

posted Apr 29, 2005 - 3:42 AM

they dont have the foundation built either. thats why they keep pulling features it was "suppose to have".

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By Aires

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 8:28 AM

Aye but how do you know what is and isn't going to be patented (and what was or wasn't patented before)? Nobody likes someone else nicking their ideas (even though you could argue Microsoft nicks other peoples ideas). What they said seems fair enought to me, even if they were cack handed about it.

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By ogman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:24 AM

"Excuse me Mrs. Jones, but it seems you think I did a really lousy job of building your new home. Please cover it up, don't tell anyone I did it and wait for me to redesign it for you. Watch out though, because if you tell anyone that you don't like it, I'll have to toss you off the property and ask that you never look at it again. And finally, Mrs. Jones, gimme your money!"

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:38 AM

I hate to resort to namecalling, but you're a dumba$$. Seriously. You're comparing a finished product (a House) to a product not even in it's beta stages.

If Longhorn we're a house,*some* of the frame-work might be up. would you want to live there? No, because it isn't done, you moron.

No-one asked you to look at the sceenshots, or god-forbid, download it of IRC or usenet. You shouldn't even have heard of it. It isn't for public consumption, you addled twit.

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By ogman

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 12:00 PM

LOL! "addled twit???" Try to regain your sense of humor there Phoenix. It was satire, not an indictment. Put down the coffee and back away from the computer. Now take a deep, cleansing breath....

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By PhoenixPath

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 1:38 PM

Why is it you seem to think this should be a finished product? Polished and pretty, functional and stable?

No, your poor attempt at satire was *also* an indictment. You're criticizing Microsoft on the basis that this 'Alpha' doesn't look or function like the finished product you had deluded yourself into thinking it should be.

You're the one who needs to "take a deep breath". But don't worry, you're not alone. There seems to be a whole bandwagon full of idiot's just like you slamming MS for releasing an Alpha instead of a finished product.

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By ogman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:24 PM

Yada ya...some folks just can't get off the rant. Try and have a better day, ok?

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:45 PM

In about 3 hours, I'll take your advice.

It'd take a lot more than this conversation to make a bad day...trust.

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By Neoprimal

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:06 AM

Definately a wrong move MS. You piss the enthusiasts off enough and what do you get? Haters. You piss everyone else off enough and what do you get? Ignored.

If noone anywhere discussed or were interested in Longhorn, how popular do you think it will be when released? How bout' Not...

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By y2ksri

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:07 PM

I believe that Microsoft has every right to request screenshots or any other material relating to a new product being developed not being publicised. They may not have done it in the past, but grow up and stop talking about Microsoft being hated or ignored. Microsoft has over 80% of the desktop share, so being hated or ignored is not going to help any of these people..I don't want to say more, though there is much to say in response to comments like these..

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By compm375

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:42 PM

It is a good idea in principle, but they should have said something a little earlier. I agree that the public doesn't need to see such an unfinished release made mostly for compatibility testing, but once pictures are online, there is no way Microsoft can enforce their removal.

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By y2ksri

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:06 PM

I believe that Microsoft has every right to request screenshots or any other material relating to a new product being developed not being publicised. They may not have done it in the past, but grow up and stop talking about Microsoft being hated or ignored. Microsoft has over 80% of the desktop share, so being hated or ignored is not going to help any of these people..I don't want to say more, though there is much to say to those who make comments like you..

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 11:59 PM

M$ is just keeping their cards close to their chest. Next summer when/if the beta 2 rolls out we will finally see if they got it all done.

If the beta 2 isn't ready in the summer then they will be in trouble if they have to delay it agian.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:46 AM

Not even then. Did you see the beta's of XP? The UI changed so many times that when it hit RC, no-one had a clue what it might finally look like.

Still, you are right in that by beta, most of the functinality should be somewhat workable, thouch parts may still be disabled until conflits are worked out.

I wouldn't be suprised to see beta1 with Avalon enabled and beta2 without while they fix other things. I can just imagine the b*tching that'll go on then....

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By ogman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 12:07 PM

Not true! I beta-tested XP and for at least a year before final release the UI was pretty much set. Furthermore, most steps along the way are some indication of what the final will look like. Frankly, I was pleased to see that the UI looked better than the original ultra-ugly washed out blue of the earlier alphas. Still, what they have now looks like a bad WindowBlinds theme and I think they should be happy to have received the feedback so they can go back to the UI drawing board.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 1:41 PM

Problem is, they haven't even begun on the UI yet. A year before XP was released, they were in Beta. This is an Alpha release. I'd much rather have them working on security, funcionality and stability than making sure it 'looks pretty'.

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By ogman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:29 PM

See, you point out a big part of the problem; they're still in alpha. That causes two problems that Microsoft brings on themselves; first that people are wondering what the heck is taking so long (especially after they dumped the file system) and second, they should not have invited press or bloggers to look at an alpha version. I maintain that they wanted feedback or, at the very least, attention. Problem is, they didn't like the kind of attention they got.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 3:08 PM

Agreed. MS borked it by inviting journalists and bloggers. They have no need to be there, and can offer no constructive criticism to those that did have a need to be there. The only thing inviting them accomplished was to get everyone yipping and jabbering out how bad an alpha version looks...as if that'd be so hard to imagine.

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By iamtux

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 2:14 PM

Agreed. I'd much rather them get it right the first time this go around, without having to release so many patches and such. Once they get all that done as best they can, then wow everyone with their super-cool new graphics engine.

I get tired of people complaining about how it looks. Let MS finish it first people! I'd like to see you whiners try it before you go bashing and pointing fingers. Maybe they just threw something together because they haven't made up their mind as to how they want it to look yet. Or maybe they've got something up their sleeves that no one is expecting. Here's a thought, sit back, relax and let MS work on THEIR OS. When you make billions of dollars on an OS, then maybe YOU can tell MS what THEY should do. Until then, shut your mouth. k thx.

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By ogman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:25 PM

Nope...I'm a customer, so I'll tell them what I think anytime I want to.

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By athome

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 8:42 AM

I agree. Nothing wrong with that. Not too close though. We all are interested and need some feedback with regard to the new OS. Too many, and patented information should not be given out. Our media has the tendancy to overstate everything and not tell the whole story. I agree with MJF of Ziff Davis, that MS needs to rethink its policies of NDA in the future if it doesnt' like what has happened.

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By Pegusis2

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 9:07 PM

As far as O/S's go... what needs to be done is instead of re-inventing the freakin wheel every other year, why not just add some new to the old and give us upgrades that are real upgrades, not just a fix here a fix there, real upgrades that gives more to the O/S's usibility.

Other than making us pay for a new O/S every other year why not put a little elbow grease behind the customers complete satisfaction?

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By athome

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 8:43 AM

Your comment is very near-sighted and displays a lack of understanding of business and a general dislike towards MS.

Security has been a major push in Longhorn. Then combine with it all the hardware vendors, gamers, software makers, and office users, somethings change naturally. I give them credit for lasting as long as they do.

The article sounds like some words were exchanged in the meeting that we will never know about. Feathers were ruffled and someone's feelings were hurt. Big deal!

MS has enough going about Longhorn that what they did here is make the media a bit mad - what else is new. Read between the lines.

As for Longhorn's release, we all will be there. If not, you just gave more credibility in the above statement of the dislike toward MS.

What is it about MS that everyone hates. It seems to be a small faction of people. People who really have issues. But there are a bunch of others, that I read in these boards, that really just repeat. Really not understanding the real issues, but gripe more for the reason to feel as if they belong to a group more than they experience problems. "I hate Windows, because John hates Windows." Tell me something new that I have not already heard from your clan in the past 10 years.

I also would like to hear more comments on the story, than to hear someone just shoot off on the topic of I hate MS. We heard it, move on with your life.

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By mlevit

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 3:36 AM

Umm dude welcome to the real world. Nothing is done for free. Microsoft doesn't want you to keep using their old Windows XP when Longhorn comes out. This is why updates like you have suggested dont come out (except for SP2).

Everybody wants money and to make it, you have to have something new and better to sell instead of just giving away new updates for free over the net.

If Microsoft had released Windows 95 and kept releasing updates for it till this very day then there wouldnt be a Microsoft out there because it would not be making any money off their updates.

It's a dog eat dog world out there, and Microsoft just happans to be the biggest.

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By iamtux

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:21 PM

Finally, someone who seems to understand how it works. Thank you!

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By wincement

edited Apr 27, 2005 - 10:21 PM

...umm SP2?

...and it's been quite a while since XP was released. Longer than 2 years ago, and we still have another year and some odd months before Longhorn is officially released. This has been one of the longest Windows lifespans ever.

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By zridling

edited Apr 27, 2005 - 7:10 PM

The screenshots I saw were pretty neat but also unfinished. Everyone knows interface touches aren't added until Beta 2. BetaNews' headline and not about damage control is silly. On the flip side, Microsoft should lighten up. They know where they're heading and Longhorn's too far away to bother with such trifles.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:48 AM

:lol:

Dead on. Maybe they need to change the background to white with big black letters,

"This might not work...it definately isn't gonna look pretty, it's not done."

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By PhoenixPath

edited Apr 27, 2005 - 5:37 PM

Will you people PLEASE grow up?

This is software in it's ALPHA state. It isn't meant to look pretty, hell, it ain't even meant to work, at least not for daily use. It is meant for developers of drivers and of hardware to get an early look at the SDK they will soon be dealing with so they can get a head-start on writing for it. (Hence it's showing at WinHEC, not Wal-Mart)

This is NOT meant as a public preview, a technology preview or a GUI preview. The look of it matters not a whit as it will change several more times before it even reaches Beta, hell, Avalon isn't even enabled.

Do not let the look of this beta diminish your enthusiasm about longhorn. It *will* innovate. It *will* change the way you use your computer. What you have seen so far is NOT the finished product, not even close.

They did not intend anyone but driver developers and hard-core enthusiasts to see this release. If it was meant for mass-consumption, do you really think MS would be stupid enough to let a GUI like that slide?

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By GeorgeSantayana

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 1:10 PM

Speaking of growing up, what's with all this ire over a mere operating system?

This thread, I must say, gives me a great deal of comfort. Pluralism has been a constant threat to rounding the sharp corners of religious and cultural difference; and, quite possibly, some say, eliminating the friction between them.

But the seers who spread such extreme prophecies can be summarily dismissed by what is seen here. They have not seen the hate-filled arguments over computer minutia, for had they, they would know that the parade of human imbecilities will continue no matter what without the slightest hiccup!

I am relieved. The seed of doubt has been crushed before it even had a chance to germinate. No longer do I have to worry about my endless stream of entertainment in human pettiness and folly being destroyed or even interrupted.

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By wincement

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 7:05 PM

Well put. Although some would (and probably will) argue that Microsoft would be that stupid. But you are exactly right - it's an alpha release, and the finished product will likely look nothing like this release does.

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By eunichman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:39 AM

maybe, but who wantys to wait until the product reaches the shelf to pay for the final public beta cycle before SP1 LOL

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By wincement

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 11:30 AM

lol. Yeah, that's why I waited with Windows XP. I was perfectly happy with 2000, and I figured I'd wait till SP1 to give XP a try. I'll probably do the same thing this time around on my main comp. Although I might load Longhorn on one of my other machines just so I can see what all the fuss is about.

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By Stefu

edited Apr 27, 2005 - 6:52 PM

Heh, The problem was that not all the people who where invited are developers or hard-core enthusiasts, and they did not liked the look of the new windows longhorn. In special the jurnalist who have the most impact on media. And now Microsoft is scared to show more screenshots of the new operating system. It's like going to a car show with your car dirty but with the engine clean. Hehehe :P

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 9:34 AM

I agree. Microsoft screwed the pooch by inviting those who had absolutely no business being there.

Journalists, bloggers...what a bunch of crap. They don't need to see this build, they sure as hell don't need to comment on it, and they obviously do not understand what it's intended purpose is.

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By ogman

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 12:14 PM

I almost agree with you, but it seems to me that if you show, you should expect someone to tell. I suspect that if the feedback had been more positive, they would not have cared that the screenshots were posted. As for the idea that Longhorn *will* innovate or *will* change the way I use my computer; I think people have alot more reason to doubt that than a few screenshots. The continuous delays and the features that are being abandoned have much more to do with public doubt about the OS than bad pics.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:08 PM

Again, you're basing your judgements on an OS not yert finished. The only substantive functionality they've 'pulled' from longhorn's debut is WinFS. This is no major hurdle, as they didn't pull it, they simply slowed it's development to ensure compatibility with WinXP and Win2000/03. I fully expect to see WinFS in longhorn's first Service Pack, if not before.

I'd much rather have a finished product without WinFS, than a hurried longhorn release with a broken implementation of it.

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By ukexpat

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 6:22 PM

Hear, hear!!

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By school1012

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 4:39 PM

That is nothing some stores had gotten Apple OS 10 Tiger last week early. These stores sold OS 10 Tiger, now apple is demanding that the customers return that product or face a lawsuit.

Both Apple & Microsoft as wrong. You need to be positive and bring excitment to the product not by being controling.

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By nate

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 4:45 PM

Apple didn't threated to sue anyone over the early release, they just got mad at retailers who then asked customers to return Tiger. Not really a huge deal.

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By school1012

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 7:25 PM

That did. I friend of mine bought it, and they got a letter from apple saying to return the product, or else.

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By fewt

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 9:58 PM

"or else" what? Steve might get his panties all wadded up?

TFB, he'll get over it or people will think twice before buying the next version.

Who the heck does he think he is anyway?

grumble stupid grumble vendors grumble think grumble they grumble are grumble gods grumble

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By Pipewrench

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 3:49 PM

In the last week alone I have seen enough crap from Microsoft. I think I'm going to stop using their stuff. The suck totally. I am so tired of their BS and all their whining and crying. "Oh no someone has screenshots of longhorn..." Give me a break.

What turds.

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By mjm01010101

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 3:09 PM

OK you've got this OS and you are trying to ramp up enthusiasm... why would you give it to the press and then prevent them from displaying pictures about it?

I played with OSX for the first time (I know I'm slow,) and just the level of crispness and attention to detail available NOW (let alone tiger in a few days) is amazingly more refined than Longhorn. Too bad I need Windows for most administration and tools I work with, and I hate the price premium and lack of options on mac hardware. But more and more I'm actually in the OS and not playing around with the hardware, so I should poke around with a mini or something...

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By Kamika007z

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 12:41 PM

Mac OSX is rather beautiful and nicely done. XP compared to it (looks-wise) is poor. The way it executes rather quickly with no slow-downs makes me wish we had something like that with MS. Too bad I don't have much usage for Mac-based systems.

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By oufc_gav

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 7:19 AM

"why would you give it to the press and then prevent them from displaying pictures about it?"
It wasn't given to the press per se. It was given to attendees of a hardware development conference (that is what WinHEC is). It is a hardware development build with a basic knock-up GUI. Attendees of these type of events usually have to accept an NDA as condition of attending.

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By bigsexy022870

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 4:00 PM

I'm thinking that perhaps redmond should except the fact that people where expecting alot more then they got. There is really no reason to upgrade to Longhorn. Except for the obvious fact that Microsoft will force it apon you. I'll be getting a Mac mini soon just to get my feet wet. I'll never leave the pc but i may deecide to spend more of my time with the apple then the lemon.

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By wincement

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 7:02 PM

You both seem to forget it's an alpha release. Avalon hasn't even been implemented yet. It is not meant for public release yet just for that reason. The finished product will most likely look completely different from the current release.

Please try to hold back your anti-Microsoft sentiments until you have something real to gripe about. I know it's hard, but you can do it.

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By crashoverride

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 9:08 PM

Indeed it is in alpha and don't get me wrong,i think some of the new stuff is gonna be great. I just can't get rid of this sinking thought (XPSE). This is simply because some of longhorns features ar going to be release for XP users. Then there's linux that some people keep harping on. Myself I don't find the prospect all that interesting. Ofcourse this could be beacause I know nothing of linux but the distros that I tried were just plain annoying. Well then there's Mac OSX. Well the only problem I have there is that the computer I have is perfectly good and to use mac OS I would have to buy a Mac computer, which would be a waste of money considering there's nothing wrong with the hardware I have now.

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By shy_one

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:08 AM

XPSE i don't think so just a few goodies for legal xp owners.(windows genuine advantage)

Plus if they release a few of these goodies 6-7 months before longhorn it would be good for finding bugs and a few posible security flaws before longhorns release so they don't have to come up with a service pack right away like they did with xp.

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By martin600

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 8:08 PM

.....What you can do is go open source and drop microsoft, I think these new releases will be their un-doing.

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By Fidelio

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 12:44 AM

...and do what? Install Linux? It seems you haven't realized Linux UI looks worse than LH today!

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By eunichman

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:56 AM

so make a new window manager :) the beauty of linux is that you can do that.. windows - you are stuck with what microsoft gives you as everything is so "integrated" *feh*

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By QQ

edited Apr 28, 2005 - 8:24 AM

yeah, so lets rather have ability to do everything, and not actually have anything.

Linux UI, whichever manager would it be sucks major ass, no matter how customizable it is. Noone is willing to spend 3 months twiddling around scripts trying to guess how would it be possible to make it flicker less, to be more responsive, to be more unified, to be more intuitative etc.. oh and then BAM it all goes wrong and you spend another 3 months trying to fix it up.

Make a good GUI for *nix and many will reconsider.

p.s. it IS possible to make new windows manager for windows - the difference is it's not needed!

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By fewt

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 8:34 AM

Hrm, you really haven't used it in the last 5 years, huh? Try it before you look like an idiot posting lies. LOL

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By VikingBlade

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 12:00 PM

Actually, I have to agree. The GUI interfaces are not that polished. There is always something irritating about about them aethestically. Some are able to get rid of the cluttered look, but still look a bit unfinished.
Do you guys rememeber the visual style by Ross "b0se" Harvey that won the Pseudo-OS category in the GUI Olympics? Vector Cell. Wouldn't Linux look so much more appealing with a modified version of that?

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By fewt

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 2:16 PM

Define polished then.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 4:18 PM

I use Linux every day. My server box has redhat on it, I've recently used Mandrake and Suse. I'm afraid I have to agree with the others on this. The UI in linux could be better.

Of course, UI is completely subjective, so while I may think NeXT was the best GUI ever designed, navigating through that UI might drive another person nuts. (Not that there's anything wrong with being nuts...)

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By crashoverride

posted Apr 29, 2005 - 5:45 PM

I've tried a few distros lately. Now i'm no linux expert or anything but I'm gonna have to agree, the UI does need a bit of a polish. It's not that it's really that hard to navigate but it can be quite aggravating at times. So far on the distros that i've used the taskbar is majorly cluttered.

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By fewt

posted Apr 28, 2005 - 5:22 PM

The guy didn't say "could be better" if he had I would have agreed. He said it sucked ass, which is absolutely not correct.

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