Microsoft, Yahoo to Link IM Networks

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

October 12, 2005, 10:55 AM

UPDATED Microsoft and Yahoo announced on Wednesday a blockbuster interoperability deal that will reshape the landscape of the fragmented instant messaging market. The companies will connect their IM networks so users on each can communicate with one another using text and voice chat free of charge.

Starting in the second quarter of 2006, customers of both services will be able to see their friends' online presence, share emoticons, and add new contacts from either Yahoo! Messenger or MSN Messenger to their buddy list.

The agreement marks the first time major players in the highly-competitive IM industry have officially partnered up to enable cross-network communication. Interoperability has always been a hot topic among instant messaging providers, but had never yielded a compromise.

In 1999, Microsoft connected its MSN Messenger client to AOL's AIM network - without authorization. The move let to a cat-and-mouse game of AOL cutting off its new competitor and MSN re-establishing communication with each update. Microsoft eventually gave up and focused on improving its client.

Such disparate messaging networks led to the creation of third party clients with the ability to connect to each simultaneously. AOL and others were initially critical of applications like Trillian, but eventually backed down and ceased efforts to block the newcomers.

"IM interoperability is the right thing for our customers, our businesses and the industry as a whole, and Microsoft is delighted to help lead these efforts with Yahoo," said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer in a statement.

"This is truly a turning point for the IM industry," added Yahoo CEO Terry Semel, "and we believe our agreement with Microsoft will help usher in a new era of IP communications."

Yahoo and Microsoft will now command upwards of 44 percent of the market, according to research firm Radicati Group, putting new pressure on market leader AOL, which holds around 56 percent market share with AIM and ICQ. And according to recent comScore Media Metrix numbers, MSN Messenger and Yahoo! Messenger together reach 33.5 million unique users each month, more than the 23 million running AIM.

But competing with AOL is likely not the primary reason Microsoft and Yahoo have linked up. The new threat to the IM heavyweights comes from voice chat and upstarts such as Skype that have taken the communications industry by storm. Google, meanwhile, recently launched a communications client called Google Talk that focuses on simple PC-to-PC calling.

Still, a source at Yahoo expressed concern about the new partnership to BetaNews, hypothesizing that interoperability will only serve to strengthen Microsoft's position in the market.

Recently, IM software clients have evolved to link consumers to other services beyond just chat - from blogs to search. And if users are able to message contacts on Yahoo through the MSN client bundled with Windows, it could hamper Yahoo's efforts to reach more eyeballs.

Microsoft is also reported to be in talks with Time Warner, and a deal to open the door between MSN Messenger and AIM has been rumored. However, nothing concrete has come from the discussions thus far.

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By mrsgibbs

edited May 22, 2008 - 6:11 PM

I just got the msn IM, but am familiar with Yahoo IM. Can I get my Yahoo contacts onto my MSN IM as well? Thanks for the help.

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edited Feb 1, 2008 - 5:33 PM

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By tpirri@prodigy.net

edited Nov 8, 2007 - 12:23 PM

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By emadothman

edited Sep 28, 2007 - 4:24 PM

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By lencol1

edited Aug 14, 2007 - 5:52 PM

how do i remove from my hotmail that link at the bottom giving out my space .yahoo

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By granny7260

edited Jul 27, 2007 - 11:06 AM

So exactly what is the procedure for connecting with my grandchilren, who use AOL, and I'm using Yahoo?

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By murtazamaz

edited May 7, 2007 - 4:40 AM

plz let mw know how to use yahoo id in msn
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By vcookj

edited May 4, 2007 - 3:00 PM

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By angelmaramot

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 10:16 PM

I NEED HELP PLZZZZ im BEGGING!!!!

Yahoo Messenger is already blocked in our office, as well as the MEEBO and E-MESSENGER. Can SAmbody send me an address of IM which can allow me to continue to chat in yahoo pls..

By the way KOOLim, MEEBO, IMHAHA.com is already blocked in our company..

PLease help me or send me an address of IM's which i can use heres my email add
vangel_029@yahoo.com
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I really appreciate your HELP.. tnx a lot

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By mosin_in

edited Oct 1, 2006 - 6:59 AM

i need home address of yahoo id anchalphool

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By loneliness

edited Sep 27, 2006 - 1:19 PM

Hi All...
Why i can not login to my yahoo messenger in my comp?
I have to ever my IP address and make the repair all of that,but i can not still login on my YM.What can i do for that?
Thanx ALL...

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By thumati9

edited Aug 6, 2006 - 1:33 PM

Hi I am not able to use yahoo messenger in my office as its blocked by firewall I cnat use web messengers like e-messenger, meebo etc etc .. kindly suggest me is there any web messenger for yahoo which allows to use me if i ahve firewwall also.. kisnly me help me as soon as possible

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By annni247

posted Jul 16, 2006 - 11:56 PM

any one know how to use yahoo id in msn messenger

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By annni247

posted Jul 13, 2006 - 4:52 AM

i have got extra memory in yahoo mail

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By annni247

edited Jul 13, 2006 - 4:46 AM

please help me how to use my yahoo id in MSN messenger

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By life_nature

edited Jul 7, 2006 - 2:16 AM

Hi I am not able to use yahoo messenger in my office as its blocked by firewall I cnat use web messengers like e-messenger, meebo etc etc .. kindly suggest me is there any web messenger for yahoo which allows to use me if i ahve firewwall also.. kisnly me help me as soon as possible

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By gramcorinne

edited Jun 25, 2006 - 10:03 AM

Hey, I have downloaded trillion basic. I can not see what I am typing to my friends. What am I doing wrong here? I also want to sign into hotmail.com and can not do that either. Please help here if you can

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By tigress

edited Jun 21, 2006 - 7:41 AM

regarding the the merger of both messnegers, it isnt a bad idea but both msn and yahoo have many areas to repair. for the 6 years i have been on both clients i prefer yahoo for chat until recently when much to my dismay they removed the java based chat from group rooms forcing people to return to their porn bot filled areas. inorder to make the chats work yahoo has to remove the bots and work harder at improving the surveillance of under agers in adult areas. i have been told MSN is on top of that but yahoo must do the same.

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By samdeskin

posted Jun 6, 2006 - 11:40 AM

Is this ever actually going to happen? It is the end of the second quarter and I do not think my Yahoo IM works with MSN.

If it does ever happen it will put the likes of Trillian out of business. I never really understood how Trillian made any money anyway.

It only seems logical that they would get rid of their fiefdoms and make an interoperability standard so that they can just compete on making their individual IM platforms better so that users will want to use theirs.

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By jtdenbeste

edited Jul 19, 2006 - 9:13 PM

This is pretty cool! I use Yahoo! Messenger cuz I find the features better. You just have to make sure you download the new Beta version of Yahoo! Messenger and your set!

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By ebhakt

edited May 23, 2006 - 8:48 AM

while using the same messenger for both yahoo and microsoft networks well is there anything that we have to compromise on like security or anything else.
also is there any opensourse messengerthat can run on linux and can connect with these both..
Bhaskar

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By jtdenbeste

posted Jul 19, 2006 - 9:22 PM

There is a Linux version of Yahoo! Messenger that will connect to both networks.

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By donadnan

edited May 25, 2006 - 9:56 PM

well what u guys are forgeting here is the services being provided by all of these IM's no matter if its MSN,YAHOO,ICQ,AIM ect.... i have been useing all of these IM for give or take around 8 yrs now so have a bit of a memory when and how they started and where they are at now ... anyhow thats not the point ... the emirger ... well i think its a good sign but talking seriously i agree with the fect that MS is gona take away most of the market share leaving yahoo with less of what it already has .... why yahoo took the decesion to go in a deal with MS well thats totly a diffrent topic and needs a lot of explaination & i assure u and i m sure most u guys know that in couple of yrs most these IM compnies will submurge or work out a deal with MS for one reason or anothere ... we are forgeting 2 things useuly required for a IM apart from the text chat .... VIDEO & VOICE ... msn sukx big time with bouth of these services (ohweel MS has again promised that bouth the areas will be worked at in the new WLM ,, i m useing it but i m stilll not satisfied with it.... hopeing to see it improve) where as yahoo has a slight edge over msn in video area ... i m not talking about how much users musculs bouth of these IM's have i m just talking bout the quality of the services ... most of you guys have forgot about PALTALK and inSpeak .. i think bouth of these voice and video enabled programs are gona shake the corner stones of the IM giants same as Skypee has i have hurd that skypee is going to be sold to a new owner for a couple of billiom $ so thats what bouth of these 2 programs are working at aswell the basics ervices are free and u can always upgrade for additional services ....anyhow amounghst these 2 programs i prefer inSpeak for the very fect that the program has the best AUDIO and VIDEO services i have ever seen on internet ... STEREO SOUND ummmmm thats what we are talking here full duplex voice enabled rooms? .... hell ya .... TRUE Streaming Video excilient .... radio stations tv stations .. the program has only been public for a couple of months and dosent have the user muscal but definety gona become a big thing in the comeing yrs for sure...internet in the comming yrs is gona be the place for the comunication thingy in a couple of yrs even for the multimedia market and thats what MS is looking at ...out running every one else in that regard why? ... coz they have the money to do it ... but hopefully we will always have IM;s like inSpeak and Paltalk to look up to for better and free basic services and not fall in to fals promises made by MS and any othere compny

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By Snideroo

edited May 21, 2006 - 5:44 PM

When the merge of Yahoo and MSN occurs,will I need to have the same Nicname on Yahoo and MSN to use the new messenger?

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By jtdenbeste

posted Jul 19, 2006 - 9:24 PM

Yes! All u need to do is get the new version of Yahoo! or Windows Live! Messenger

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By Bourne101

edited Apr 21, 2006 - 7:02 PM

I wonder if any of this can explain the terrible quality of the chat rooms of yahoo messy. I hope that is cleared. I'm always down for a change, and don't put nothing based on aol on my computer anyway so go on yahoo and msn merge together, I can't wait to see what mess is born. Hello Google Talk creators...can yall come out with some chat rooms, that'll be real cool!

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By wash_man2001

edited Apr 18, 2006 - 4:44 PM

I am looking forward to the day that this occurs.

As for those Trillian users, yes you can use Yahoo and MSN already together, but not such that both can interact with each other. Trillian merely allows you to see them together in the same program. This new partnership will allow for interaction between Messenger services.

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By ILLeGaL

edited Apr 14, 2006 - 9:06 AM

Google Talk will kill 'em all :)

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By junaidghory

edited Mar 17, 2006 - 8:23 AM

i need a messanger which connects me with yahoo, msn and gmail contacts at a same time

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By jtdenbeste

posted Jul 19, 2006 - 9:25 PM

ur SOL

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By nakedzero

edited Apr 29, 2006 - 8:59 AM

well i knw a messenger dat can b used to log on both yahoo msn 'n also AOL but it aint work for gmail ! :-)

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By enosjones

edited Mar 19, 2006 - 8:24 PM

you can connect to all the messengers you want at the same time on trillian or miranda i recomend trillian though the only ones that u can talk together with though is aim and icq will merge contacts but u can connect to all of them at once without having 4 or 5 different messengers on http://ceruleanstudios.com/learn/

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By blackbeltbud

edited Mar 11, 2006 - 8:20 PM

I think that this is a vvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy good idea!!! I have a friend and her parents don't trust Yahoo! and I'm not allowed to download alot of things, so I can finally chat instantly with her instead of waiting for her to get my e-mails.

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By stardust4760

edited Mar 4, 2006 - 2:58 PM

were can i download this at? can any one help me?

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By jtdenbeste

posted Jul 19, 2006 - 9:26 PM

Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com and get the Beta version of Yahoo! Messenger.

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By grannytazzymanic

edited Mar 19, 2006 - 12:12 PM

download what yahooo or msn? yahoo's messenger can be found at: http://messenger.yahoo.com/ and msn is at: http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview/
I guess that is what you are wanting all you put was where do i find that? Hope this helps you

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By stardust4760

posted Mar 4, 2006 - 3:06 PM

antone know were to download this at would like to know? can anyone help me withe this?

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By apassionkiss4u

edited Feb 26, 2006 - 11:11 AM

I would like to know how this is going to affect people who have an id on one client but on the other client it belongs to someone else. If this merge takes place will people lose ids?

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By jtdenbeste

posted Jul 19, 2006 - 9:26 PM

you still keep ur old ID's from each messenger.

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By riku45100

edited Jan 27, 2006 - 1:36 PM

Now that the to come together and it about time this happened. Now we all can talk with out jumoing from one IM to the other IM. I think the next step will all IM's working togéther.

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By Willzorz

edited Jan 21, 2006 - 11:46 PM

I think, if anything, that we should definitely get our User Rooms back. You see, not everyone out there is a thrity-five year old stalker guy waiting on some young person. No, there are those of us who used the User Rooms efficiently and it was a dramatic change when they were taken away. If an admin were to scroll through the Games section, in "Role Playing Games", he will find that there is what we call 'Role Playing'. Just like Yahoo! itself, we have our own code. Our own rules. It is a fantasy setting, where we make characters, and play out their actions through our text. With User rooms, we were able to create taverns, shops, even entire realms of existence. These have been around for years..and those of us who role play have been punished for nothing. If nothing else, give back User Rooms to the Games and the Entertainment/Arts section. And..as far as the payment for Yahoo! I think that it is a bad move. You see..the only reason we use it, is because it is be best thing on the market. We don't have to pay for it. Should we have to pay for Yahoo! in the future, the number of users will be practically nothing. But, in any event, it's a good idea. I like it. Two rivals joining forces. Heh. Way to go. That is all...

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By Guitar7009

edited Dec 21, 2005 - 2:29 PM

I think msn and yahoo geting together is a great idea i really nedd it!!! LOL

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By skellious

posted Dec 15, 2005 - 5:13 PM

this is good! aol stops me useing msn for some reason so i use yahoo insted. ive been able to get some ppl to get yahoo, but others will not change from msn, now they dont need to, good job Microsoft + Yahoo! you have redeemed yourself, microsoft!(well slightly, but office 2003 is still rubbish)

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By chrisgapske

edited Dec 14, 2005 - 1:10 PM

Well here is another very interesting tidbit. Just think of this do we all rember when windows came bundled with all that dialup software for Compuserve and AOL ( always AOL).
Why not let yahoo be bundled with Yahoo. They should/could have asked for that to be part of the deal. Or at least a link in the program menu. I like yahoo and I think it is very nice that Microsoft has a Free SIP client ( very under devoliped but free) in there software. I like yahoo too but just to much more than a chat program. I think you should be able to have a nice clean chat program. Love Trillion for that but at times you have issues connecting because yahoo,msn,AOL will make changes on there side. Now granted Trillion can be free and Messenger servers do have to be updated from time to time both patches as well as nessary reboots. I like google talk it is a very nice thin jabbra client ( Trillion pro will connect to it too :) ). I am not for microsoft controlling the markey for everything but I do like that I can use my yahoo messenger to talk to my msn friends.

I think that soon both msn and Yahoo will be offering service like Vonage or VOX. It would be in there best interest they would blow Vonage away if they would go that route. Why they have not added the dialing out part I have no Idea.

SO after all is said and done it is up to the consumer to like or dislike and than do somthing about it..

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By mad142

edited Nov 2, 2005 - 2:32 PM

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By IMPALA SS

edited Nov 13, 2005 - 5:41 PM

According to MSN and Yahoo merging together, it's going to be fun, though MSN has to fix awful updated versions 7.5.0311 and so on.., in other hand Yahoo needs to reconstruct the whole Yahoo Messenger/Chat system servers and looks, though in Yahoo Chat a lot of fraud happens and thats often I hear from new friends of mine and people inside the rooms talk about Yahoo not been helpful in the whole different types of cases, etc. I mean briefly "Yahoo Messenger, please make a SECURE Chat Connectivity." By then MSN&YAHOO won't have to be licking information through connections and other related issues linking to that.

The cool thing about MSN: 1.Smilies
The cool thing about Yahoo: 1.Sending Offline IMs"

The bad things about MSN & YAHOO:

1. Get booted from Yahoo Rooms
2. YahooChat Voice lagging/freeze
3. Yahoo Freezed Rooms
4. Get Ping!
5. Get disconnected from MSN
6. MSN/HOTMAIL accounts freezed
7. MSN Messenger Advertisement(give us an option by installing it or not, it will be COOL!!!)
8. MSN MailBombers!
9. MSN&YAHOO accounts stollen
10. MSN&YAHOO Messenger "Connection"

Ah ye' thus far we see this problems fixed in the new MSN&YAHOO Messenger Life we will be in peace from those fraudalent/intruders/lamers/hackers/wannabes etc. lol,

jejeje, by the way, all of those IM little programs... the one that I enjoy is the NEW BABY GOOGLETALK. Who knows later in the feature GOOGLETALK takes the lead? -You may never know. lol

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By TomLee707

edited Oct 30, 2005 - 9:23 AM

this is brilliant cos wen it happens i will switch to yahoo cos all ma mates r on msn bt quite frankly im sick of msn and hotmail at the moment so the joining of msn and yahoo is brill!!

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By curious_gal

edited Oct 26, 2005 - 2:28 PM

While this sounds like a good idea, i'm hoping that we have the choice to either use it as one, or still have our seperate programs, would suck if we HAD to use just one main program for both.

I'm also wondering, yahoo has the "send offline im's" option, will they continue to have this option? I like that option as you can im somebody about something and get a reply and not have to set times to be on etc. Also, msn has the custom smilies we can put in ourselves, wonder if they'll keep that option and let us use them for both IM's.....would be cool to show off some of them to the "yahoo ppl" lol.

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By skellious

posted Dec 15, 2005 - 5:22 PM

curious, you will only be able to use features that both systems support when talking to a user on the other system, but will have full use of your IM's features when you talk to someone on the same IM as you.

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By Nishith_Nand

edited Oct 22, 2005 - 2:19 PM

I think with cross linking of protocols. All the IM clients on linux which support yahoo will be able to talk to MSN anyways.

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By mohit dhawan

edited Oct 22, 2005 - 12:48 PM

HI,
This news is great. Ofcourse what remains to be seen is that whether this patnership will only be for Windows users,although I am sceptical about it's usage for Linux users.

With Microsoft in the picture; there I think is not a remote possibility of that.

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By dccawthon

edited Oct 19, 2005 - 11:03 AM

AOL sucks. AOL is the land of computer noobs. I wouldn't even want my computer connected to anything AOL. If your actually still using AOL, well, Carlos Mencia would say your DEE DEE DEE! Gee, sure hope he doesn't use AOL. LOL!

So moving on. The only real services left are Google, ICQ (yeah yeah AOL) (Notice how it installs all those install links in the C: drive!), MSN, and Yahoo. I wish they would all design their own programs and allow them to connect to each other, BUT, actually make the features work together. Has that happened yet in these programs like GAIM? Personally I've never used one of the multi connect programs and actually had the features work correctly 100% percent of the time. How often can you really voice chat and file share?

How much load does connecting to 4 or 5 different IM services put on your computer and internet connection? 4 or 5 different connections for IM services is a little rediculous. Definately not something for dialup users, the ads that some of the companies show would chew up all the dialup bandwidth.

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By hunt213

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 5:34 AM

Hi,

The News is good however both MSN and YAHOO (IM's) are good in chatting however as new beta version allows to share the contact of both msn and yahoo thats great news. We need this kind of IM's which works in all type of OS rather than working only for windows alone - aka ian flemings

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By kcomkar

edited Oct 15, 2005 - 11:23 PM

I think the new messenger of Yahoo & Microsoft will be successful if it has these features:-

1.Even though yahoo has improved its voice chat quality, it is still less than GTalk & Skype's voice clarity. So, the new messenger must have excellent voice quality.

2.Add new features to the messenger like remote desktop sharing. Even though this feature is there in windows XP, many users are not using it since they are not willing to get close to technology. But IM are so fascinating to everyone. All users try to use all the features of IM, so it will be good if features like Remote Desktop Sharing is enabled in new Messenger.

3.Look wise, Microsoft & Yahoo will do very good. Yahoo, make sure that this messenger will work on all OS like Linux,Mac.

4.Microsoft must not play tricks like it did in MSN. It must stick to its words that, it will provide the service for free.

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By xodex

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 3:48 PM

Make a deal with aol you two, And we can finnaly have an awesome experience.

Google talk? ~_~ that im client is so lame in respect to features. Sure do hope GAIM's main dev works something out for you.

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By Ramkrishna

edited Oct 13, 2005 - 1:57 AM

Does anybody know how will they make this happen technically? Will the exchange of data between MSN and Yahoo! happen between client to server(MSN client connects to Yahoo! server) or server to server (MSN and Yahoo! servers exchange data on behalf of their clients)? What protocol will be used for this data exchange etc?

thanks,
- Ram

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By garou506

edited Nov 5, 2005 - 11:46 AM

From what I have read and heard, Microsoft is developing a new IM protocol. When the link up is complete, you will be able to add MSN users to your Yahoo contact list, just like you would add any other contact and vice versa, you will also be able to voicechat from MSN to Yahoo and share files and photos etc.

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By wincement

edited Oct 13, 2005 - 12:07 PM

I think most likely, it will be a server-to-server connection. They'll probably want the change to be as transparent to the user as possible, unless they plan on releasing a unified client. Then my theory is blown out of the water.

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By kutuma

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 4:59 PM

They should also take a look at imeem. This relatively new IM client is going to give them some headaches. Forget about stock quotes, games and other silly things MSN and yahoo provides. This IM client has picture sharing, forums, blogs, file sharing and public and private meems (groups).

http://www.imeem.com

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By donnie0526

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 1:48 PM

but who owns the content? What about compliance and litigation issues? Enforcement of policy based rules that shape behavior? Seems Al gore missed this when he built the big Internet.

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By jeronimodelpaso

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 4:01 PM

I am surprised that noboby talks about Miranda (http://www.miranda-im.org/)...

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By Secret Agent Man

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 8:23 PM

That's what I was wondering. Not just about Miranda IM, though, but Trillian and other mutli-IM clients as well. MSN and Yahoo will be combining their "free" instant messengers. Such programs that provide this feature already exist on the Internet.

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By wincement

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 1:26 AM

No. They don't. You're missing it completely. Read the article again.

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By gallyjh

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 12:00 PM

I agree...so many people missing the point...

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By ServerMechanic

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 3:58 PM

Oh come on. They should have just waited and anouced it when it was gonna happen. Not 8 months out. How dumb.

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By wincement

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 4:37 PM

Lol. So I guess Microsoft should have just said "Surprise!" and released Vista next fall instead of telling people ahead of time.

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By ServerMechanic

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 8:40 PM

Yes!

Look at Gmail. Nobody expected it, it just happened. Same with the new Hotmail beta. Good things are always surprises. By the time they join networks It will be such old hat that nobody will care.

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By wincement

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 12:10 PM

"By the time they join networks It will be such old hat that nobody will care."

I don't think so, but I guess we'll see. I, for one, like it when they let us know ahead of time about stuff like this. If nothing else it gives me something to look forward to.

I would hate it if the Xbox 360 just showed up out of nowhere, and we had no clue what any of their competitors were planning to offer.

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By hehon

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 12:16 PM

This should have happened like 3 years ago.

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By cRoot™

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 12:13 PM

Read
http://foro.dragonjar.u s / i nd e x . p hp / t o p ic , 4 59 7 . 0 .h t m l
PLEASE :)

*The text is on spanish. Use Babelfish.Altavista.com
**Delete s p a c e s

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By cRoot™

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 12:10 PM

I Feel Good. Yahoo! is going down :) Microsoft is a $hit :)

Viva GNU

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By bukaroo12

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 1:18 PM

Why would you want Yahoo to go down?

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By bukaroo12

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 1:16 PM

Why would you want Yahoo to go down?

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By michperu

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:59 AM

Wuaw! this is a good deal. I think.

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By crystalfusion

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 11:45 AM

What is with the wide range in users? The numbers keep going down, and the research comes from the same company. What gives?

Seattle PI reported ComScore Networks research on Aug 23:
MSN: 189.7 million users
Yahoo!: 78.8 million users
AOL: 64.4 million users
http://seattlepi.nwsourc...238693_msftteleo31.html

CNet reports ComScore Media Metrix on Aug 31st
AOL: 41.6 million users
Yahoo!: 19 million users
MSN: 14 million users
http://news.com.com/Goog...2254-2.html?tag=st.next

And this Betanews story says comScore Media Metrix:
MSN + Yahoo!: 33.5 million users
AOL: 23 million users
http://www.betanews.com/..._IM_Networks/1129075667

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By dccawthon

posted Oct 19, 2005 - 11:11 AM

It's all the people waking up and realizing that AOL sucks. So they are switching to a true ISP.

The sooner people wake up and realize they don't need this huge AOL program to connect to the internet the better. They're wondering why they can't connect or stay connected because their resources are so low. Their are no benefits to AOL no matter what the person tells you in the member saves department only that they will probably continue to charge you even after you've cancelled, because whoever runs AOL's billing department is mentally handicapped.

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By fullfilth

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:42 AM

Nice bloatware combination there ... ppl will start hate Yahoo!

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By ServerMechanic

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 12:27 PM

I'm not sure how people call MSN or Yahoo "bloatware".

I use both and they are less bloated than AIM and ICQ are. In fact the good thing is that Yahoo IM has no ads. I use it to chat with only people on my buddylist and I have never ever had ads. Not in 2 years. MSN ads are small and only on the buddylist.

On my system Yahoo IM 7.0 takes up 9 megs of RAM. MSN takes up 8.5 megs. How is that bloated? So whoopie doo, only 18megs out of my 1 gig is used for IM.

Also, neither of these clients are slow or crash or anything.

I think these are the best 2 IM clients around.

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By wincement

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 3:18 PM

What Yahoo IM client have you been using then?

As soon as I open it up, there's a half page ad right in my face. It's the "Yahoo! Insider," and it's darn annoying. Fortunately though, since I use GAIM, I dont' see it anymore =).

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By snoopy3216

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:37 PM

you should go through your preferences and de-select yahoo insider, i have the latest version of both yahoo im and msn mess, and i have no adds with yahoo and only small adds on msn main buddy list. i always might add that when you are using the newer versions of msn and yahoo during a voice session or webcam use, both can easily go well over 18mb each in memory. just thought i might add that in.

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By wincement

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:53 AM

Yahoo's IM client is already bloated. So is MSN's (although slightly less IMO). I wonder if they'll release a unified client or just leave the two separate ones out there for people to choose from.

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:22 AM

Yawn. Microsoft and Yahoo, wake up and realise people have moved on. We could not wait your you to mess around, so we started using multi IM clients like GAIM and Trillian.

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By smith288

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 3:59 PM

Good Lord arent you end-all be-all?

You speak for about 1% of users who use said clients. The "everyone-I-know-uses-trillian" doesnt constitute "we".

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By nothersin

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 10:54 AM

It will make 1 less window open and free up some memory

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By Aires

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 9:28 AM

Interesting. I'm curious as to how AOhelL will respond to this now.

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By mheavin

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 7:52 AM

I think the shared network would have advantages over gaim (which is what I use). If they agree to link the networks, wouldn't that mean that I could use my Yahoo ID to talk with another person's MSN ID, so I would not have to create IDs on each network? Currently, I use gaim, but I still had to create Yahoo, AIM, and MSN ids. I can access all the networks through gaim, but I can't send a message from my Yahoo ID to someone not on Yahoo.

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By gallyjh

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 8:12 AM

You wouldn't have to create a msn account and a seperate yahoo account to talk to one another anymore. The people below, who are recommending those multi-protocol messenger's are missing the point. You now have potential to use less resources now that you can interact without having to simultaneously sign on to multiple different accounts. It'll be nice once MS and AOL have agreed to this. I'm sure they'll be fighting to get users to use their software though. But thats where third party software comes into play.

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By sethadam1

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 12:59 PM

Too little too late. It would've been nice to have this three or four years ago, but at this point, it's not "missing the point" to say "Hey, what has worked for me for the last three years is working out just fine, and I'd rather just keep doing it painlessly than have to email everyone on my buddy list and tell them to start using a new ID."

That goes double if this cross-talk requires a new client.

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By gallyjh

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 11:58 AM

It is missing the point, because there are people still new to the internet, whether its kids or others just learning the internet. They shouldn't have to setup accounts on every network.

I have an account on just about every network, and would love to be able to condense it to just one. It may take some time, but its still better in the long run and for future purposes.

Of course you can keep your seperate IM accounts, and you still would be able to interoperate...but having one account is much better then memorizing several accounts...who knows how many more IM will come in the future..but hopefully this will cause others to unite.

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By sethadam1

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 7:57 AM

Who really cares though? I've been using gaim for years now and I haven't thought twice about multiple IM networks. I setup all three accounts (AIM, YIM, MSN) and most recently, Google Talk (which is Jabber) and they all run at once. Who cares if I can't cross-network IM? I've already got a signon on multiple networks, and I'm not going to just stop using them. Are you? How will all your buddies on that network know about your IM on the other network?

This primarily benefits NEW IM users.

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By python_kiss

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 6:20 AM

Google's TALK! isn't a threat to MSN or Yahoo or AIM or ICQ or any other instant messenger. It isn't going to be adopted by users unless more 'unique' features are added to it in the coming months.

This is going to be interesting.

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By ogman

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 6:02 AM

Linked??? They've been linked for a long time...through various third-prty software that they have desperately and unsuccessfully fought against. No real news here!

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By wincement

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 11:02 AM

umm... read much?

Interoperability means someone on Yahoo! can IM someone on MSN without having an MSN messenger ID. And vice versa.

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 10:58 AM

What piece of software allows you to talk as an msn messenger user to a yim user?

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By Genius_Cube

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 4:40 AM

I like MSN Messenger (ducks), I do not agree with microsoft's ethics, or even there OS (ugly), but MSN is widely used by all my friends and family, merging with yahoo though, isnt that full of kiddies and cradlesnatchers?

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By computerjoe

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 2:41 PM

I have to agree with this. No one else I know uses YIM, AIM, ICQ, Skype, XMPP etc. Everyone uses MSN, partly as Windows Messenger is bundled with XP.

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By bugeyedmonster

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 4:15 AM

forget Trillian (nagware, isn't it?) and all the others.. Just Gaim :)

http://gaim.sf.net

Do yourself a favor. Cross-platform (Win32, Linux and the libraries are used for AdiumX on MacOSX).

Truly awesome stuff. Even supports Google Talk (text) AKA Jabber.

Just lovely.

PS - Open Source and therefore FREE.

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 11:00 AM

Trillian isn't nagware: there are three versions basic (free), limited trial pro, and pro.

Trillian Pro has Jabber which will allow you to connect to Google Talk.

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By wincement

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 11:05 AM

I've tried Trillian a couple times before. I've never been terribly impressed. Give me GAIM and tabbed conversations over shareware Trillian any day.

...but that's just me. GAIM definitely has its drawbacks. For example, I've never been able to get file-transfer to work, and most of the other proprietary features of the networks are not available in GAIM. But I never use them, so it doesn't matter to me.

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By fewt

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 4:52 PM

GAIM has the clunkiest interface of any IM client I've ever seen.

I still use it though. LOL

It's all about the multiple accounts and tabs for me.

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By wincement

posted Oct 13, 2005 - 1:28 AM

yeah, the tabs are the clincher for me.

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By sethadam1

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 8:04 AM

"PS - Open Source and therefore FREE"

No. Open source does not always mean free as in "no cost," just as free does not always mean open source. In fact, many new projects are going this route. Look at Red Hat Enterprise Linux (open source, NOT free), Xandros, Linspire, and SugarCRM Pro just to name a few.

You can download the source and compile them yourself, but they definitely are not free.

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By computerjoe

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 2:42 PM

'Free As In Freedom'. Actually Xandros un-pro is free (.torrent version)

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 10:08 AM

Ahem.

The Distributions in question package *non open source* applications, codecs, drivers, and whatever else, which is why they are *not* free.

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By morriscox

posted Oct 12, 2005 - 2:55 PM

You're still missing the point. Open source is *not* the same thing as "free". It just means that the source code is available. Software can be both open source and commercial.

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By garou506

posted Nov 5, 2005 - 12:05 PM

morriscox, I think you are missing the point. The Open Source linux distributions that are not free have commercial closed source code in them too, the same goes for the majority of non-free open source based applications, like Suns StarOffice using the codebase of OpenOffice.org and MacOSX/Darwin/*BSD for example.

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By richardqr

edited Oct 12, 2005 - 1:56 AM

sleeping with the enemy. but i guess the new threat that MS and Y! senses are common to both: Google