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Microsoft to Update IE7 for MIX Confab

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

March 17, 2006, 12:20 PM

With Beta 2 still a couple months away, Microsoft plans to issue an updated preview build of Internet Explorer 7 at next week's MIX 06 conference in Las Vegas. The interim release will be what Microsoft calls "layout complete," which means developers won't have to worry about future changes breaking their sites.

An IE7 Beta 2 Preview was made available at the end of January with a number of improvements including tabbed browsing and increased security. While Microsoft considered the build to be largely complete feature wise, developers said it required "additional fit and finish work."

In a February interview, Director of IE Product Management Gary Schare told BetaNews, "There are certainly some changes in the CSS platform and security that will force some level of change."

The special MIX 06 IE7 release will be distributed to attendees, but Microsoft has not committed to making the build public or available on MSDN. MIX is designed to showcase Microsoft's renewed investment in the Web through development of new technologies and programs.

Windows Live, Internet Explorer 7 and Windows Vista will all play a central role in the conference, which is targeted at both the entrepreneurs, or strategic thinkers, and the "implementers" -- a group that includes developers and designers.

"There will be layout complete version of IE released to the mix attendees well before it is released to the general public. The important thing about this release is that no further layout changes will be made for IE 7.0," said IE developer Cyra Richardson in an Expert Chat last week.

"The attendees at MIX will receive several items (tools & builds) at the show that will allow them to better test IE compatibility. We will be striving to allow attendees to start testing with the layout complete version of IE7," added Richardson.

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By donjrkate

edited Dec 1, 2007 - 10:09 PM

why can't i sign into my yahoo email account thru IE7 but i can with my mozilla browser?

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By Sarg

edited Mar 20, 2006 - 2:02 PM

http://www.microsoft.com...ows/ie/ie7/default.mspx

So would this be IE7b2p2..? ;)

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By al11588

posted Mar 20, 2006 - 12:17 PM

I have use IE7 and it is not all that better then firefox. I saw pop ups come past the pop up blocker. With FF it has so much security that u will never see pop ups. In addition, the only thing FF needs right now is the antiphising tool. However, IE7 is not stable security wise u can still get spy ware. So u noobs have to stop trying to think u know allot. It will be along time before IE7 can be better then FF until vista comes out and they fix the security.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Mar 20, 2006 - 12:14 PM

IE 7 compatibility testing tools? Aieeee! Not another one! Web developers don't want another weakly documented browser with insidiously subtle but crippling distinctions. History tells not to expect more than that from Microsoft.

No one, really no one, wants a browser just for IIS and no one really wants to make a web site that only works with IE 7. But Microsoft will tighten it's blinders and pull in that direction. I am sure I will hear them say their customers want wacky unique features built into the browser. But all we really want is a tabbed browser with sincere support for real international standards like CSS2 and DOM. And a compatible JavaScript interpreter would be nice too.

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By lparks

posted Mar 20, 2006 - 9:37 AM

I have been using IE7 for about 2 weeks and love how it is setup!

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By PC Rat

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 3:11 PM

...

Microsoft seems intent on raising Internet Explorer almost to the level of Opera.
...

The Computer Rodent

...

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:29 PM

Or lower--depending on who you ask :)

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By tscar12

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 5:12 PM

I have been coming to Betanews for several years now and one thing is clear to me- This forum is filled with fanatics for one program or another. These fanatics,like any fanatics, can't see the other side and are blinded by their own passion.
Having said that, let me say the following, any OS or Browser is going to be vulnerable to hacker attacks. What makes the difference is not that one is better than another, but market share. For example, Many months ago, Apple got hit with a lot of attacks and had to issue between 20-30 fixes. Within 5 days of the release of their new OS, they had to issue several fixes because their were holes in the OS big enough to drive a Mac truck through. Things have gotten so bad that Apple now takes the same approach as Microsoft and issues patches once a month.
With Open source, the same thing is going to happen and, given the fact that the basic code is out their in the open for all to see, these attacks won't be pretty. When it happens will depend on when Open source OS or Browsers hit a critical mass. When it comes to FF, you can't use the supposed total download because this tells you nothing about whether or not the person is actually using the product. AOL used to do this same type of marketing technique where they would tells how many people downloaded their product but what they didn't tell you was how many people stopped using their product.
It use to be that hackers were content to hack into systems for bragging rights but that has changed. Now they see there is money to make and they don't care what OS or browsers you use. The key to keeping your system safe is theis: 1) update to keep your Os and browser secure. One of the reasons Microsoft is now moving into the Anti- spyware, Anti-adware, anti- virus, and Firewalls is that they are tired of people not keeping their system updating and relying on 3rd party for protection then taking all the crap when idiots don't update their OS, browser and protection.
2) Have a good firewall, anti-virus and 2-3 good anti-spyware and keep them updated and run them. If you don't run the protection, how can it detect and delete the problem? DUH!
3) Don't get caught up in the free versus cost debate. Just because something is free, doesn't mean it's any good.

As far as IE& is concern, I found it pretty good. If people would read the in structions, you would see that you can add/show any toolbar you install and you can show your favorites on the side. The pop-up blocker and anti-phishing programs attached to IE7 work well, but if you want someting different, you can turn them off and add what you want.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:16 AM

Very well said! :)

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By anmol.2k4

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 9:53 AM

with ie7 M$ has done a good job and I'm starting to hate FF fan-boys statement, i know they were sitting on their asses when they had no competition, i have used FF for 2 year now i use opera, and i think all three IE7 FF and opera are good , but i think it(ie7) will satisfy most people(on vista) in future, M$ have done what most end users expects from a browser, i know they don't care much about us.

for general public it will not make a major difference whether they use opera/ff/IE7.

but they will get IE7 by default and that is why IE7 is going to be a BIG success.

i know opera and ff are better in some ways but i think it is very very hard to explain this to general public (what are extensions/widgets and how to use them,security,standards etc. etc.)

what most people will care about is that which browser starts faster and is easy to use,they are not going to care about why IE is faster than FF.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 1:03 PM

I was interested in reading your post right up until I got to the M$... then I remembered that anyone who uses that is an Microsoft-flaming idiot that was just trolling the forum to generate a response. Well here's the response-- stop wasting people's time and go use whatever product you prefer.

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By anmol.2k4

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 1:56 AM

there is blood in GoodThings2Life's eyes when he sees M$, he starts acting like a 'flaming idiot'.

in my post i said that ie7 IS going to be a SUCCESS.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:26 PM

Yes. He still thinks "M$" is pretty immature. Well--I can't speak for him, but I can for me. That's just plain lazy. Call them MS like I do. It's easier to reach the 's' on the keyboard anyway (yeah, I'm lazy too).

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By brand dub

edited Mar 17, 2006 - 11:56 PM

"The important thing about this release is that no further layout changes will be made for IE 7.0," said IE developer Cyra Richardson in an Expert Chat last week."

I can see why they want to keep it simple and work on it as they go to ensure its compatibility but they are refering to the GUI which, in my beta tested opinion could use some work. And they claim it to be the important thing. Nice.

The functionality is a bit better with tabs but they cut off a lot of simple gestures that make browsing easy. "Oversimplified", were not all 2nd graders.
If they can take a cue from competitive browsers like Opera and Firefox for tabs then maybe they could also accept some user 'input' for allowing editable personal bars or at least offer mouse gestures to allow us easy shortcuts to the links we lost. With Opera (my favorite) I got used to using one hand on the mouse (gestures) and one for quick typing...plus everything I need is in fron of me PLUS I can hide tool bars when not needed. THAT is convienience, not deleting them all.

IE isnt bad but we expect a little more from a leader of its field and Microsoft has fallen behind in all fields but Xbox 360 lately(I havent tested but intuition tells..and they really have fallen behind - their MP3 player isnt even out yet giving ipod 2yrs head start, wow thats our 'on top of the market' OS provider for ya).

They are obviously afraid of compatibility issues if they already offer IE7 plugins for IE6 when IE7 isnt out of beta yet. I feel bad for the future of PC and Web Developers.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 1:00 PM

Actually, most users ARE like second-graders (well, more generally elementary grades). A lot of kids these days are starting to use computers better and easier than adults, and the average adult generally ACTS like a two-year-old when they don't get their way, so you know-- it all balances out nicely. :)

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By brand dub

posted Mar 31, 2006 - 8:51 PM

So true. Most forums are like day care for the figity and overstimulated and the people are like kids with no grownups around. It can get wild.

Browser can be shipped simple, and they can include 'advanced'. Opera is an advanced browser, not for the meek (since you get many options to edit and prsonalize this and that) and simplicity is niice, not when its forced on you, thats all Im saying.

There are plenty of resouces (browsers) meant for kids, fisher price and Disney have their own browsers ( they even make computers with remotes for kids and grownups - see the balance?) For a multi billion dollar company, I would have expected more than tabs and anti phishing. not a complaint just a thought.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 5:52 PM

*shakes his head*

Why must people turn software usage into a crusade?

My browser is the holy browser of Antioc! And it shall blow thine enemy browsers to bits!

I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for people to just use a browser that accomplishes what they want when surfing the web. I liked IE, I used it for a long time when Netscape died around 4.x. Now I use Firefox, because IE no longer accomplishes the experience I want when surfing. Tomorrow... who knows?!

If you're not happy, switch. If you're happy, great!

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By brand dub

posted Mar 31, 2006 - 9:02 PM

Hey notGood2b2opinionated,
I*T *I*S* *O*K* *T*O* *H*A*V*E* *A*N* *O*P*I*N*I*N*I*O*N*, thats why these forums are here. Not everyone must agree and by sharing complaints and issues with others we learn.

Y O U on the otherhand have doone nothing but complain about the people here, Have you heard of Ie7? Take your own advice, if you aren't happy with what you got, leave.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:23 PM

My browser is holier than thou's (eh? Didn't quite work...)

IE7 works fine for me, and I hardley need any extentions (I use 5: Housecall ActiveX, WMP, Macromedia Shockwave, MSJava, and Windows Update). Netscape--works fine, though I wouldn't learn it as hardley anyone uses it. Opera--more problems it seems with the new versions, never can recommend it to "stupid computer users". FF? Overhyped, but it works great when you learn how to use all those extentions. Problem is--stupid people will never be able to use it without wishing for the "ease" of IE.

Stupid users take more than 50% of the world, and that's why I believe FF will never reach IE in market share. Just me though.

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By crashoverride

edited Mar 18, 2006 - 7:50 PM

oh come on.....there has to be holy Firefox and Opera crusades against the evil Microsoft. Without them what would these people have to do? The certainly have nothing better to do.

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By cowgaR

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 4:33 PM

bad bad bad...I knew it would come, I just didn't thought for this pain...

let's face it ppl, IE7 is THE application, the most needed thing in life. Really, NOT the internet(which is ALMOST everything), but IE7. It may sound stupid(for the 5-8% of some other ppl there), but think a while...

MS development of browsers is very very slow, their update is almost non-existent(from historic resons), thus IE7 will mark another 4-6 years of internet era. I STRONGLY doubt MS will release another IE soon, and I REALLY think that I would need to (as a ASP.NET dev) adapt to IE7 bugs quickly...for next 5 years!

You heard good, BUGS! The pain I mentioned. The screwed layout. The funny pictures of ACID tests in my memmory. The missing standards...

MS had a chance...chance to change the world (note: there is NO WORLD beside internet), and it looked good at first (ASP2.0 rendering xhtml 1.0 strict and almost tableless design in future updates of controls), but then came this message...

freaking...

scary...

LAYOUT COMPLETE

a HOROR! Now...its time to kill yourself...the bas****s in MS team responsible for this crap (its crap!) were more concerned about the work enterprise sites need to do to render good in IE7 with their IE6 specific bugs, not for following standards...

so welcome almost incomplete bugus IE, welcome to my world! I am VERY HAPPY ms didn't wait another half year till it freeze it...I want BUGGUS SITES ON INTERNET FOR ANOTHER 5 yearsss....

sorry for big post...I am going to drink again, **** MS IE team

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:15 PM

Well trolled--er...I mean, said :D

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By brand dub

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 12:05 AM

cowgaR, you said what I couldn't...thank you.thank you. All I could do was rant with my frustration...

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 5:47 PM

Your final sentence pretty much sums things up nicely... just another drunken rant.

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By brand dub

posted Mar 31, 2006 - 8:55 PM

whats wrong with you? nothing better to do than check up on the quality of posts? Who are you the speech police? Maybe if you had an opinion about IE&, which this thread is about you could stick to that or leave.

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By horsecharles

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 3:57 PM

MS is trying to be all things to all demographics-- trying to make everything in house & spending oodles of resources in the process. By trying to satisfy at once everyone: kids, adults, big & small business, personal, government & institutional, rich and poor(whoever heard of this in any industry or product line?)-- OS, browser, multimedia, personal software, office, hardware, etc.......it's always juggling too many balls: pretty much guaranteeing it never finishes anything in timely fashion. It's constantly having to announce dropped features, product delays and rationing resources between projects & divisions.
Most anyone attempting this pretty much ends up throwing innovation out the window in order to just get things finished. And having a hand in all pots pretty much also guarantees almost the whole world is its competitor, if not foe. Additionally, in being so spread out with so many interdependent projects, that one or two dominoes tumbling can threaten to bring the house down, such an entity is thus forced to quash everyone with all available means at their disposal: the more Baby Huey grows, the more food he needs to stay alive, and therefore the more chickens/rivals for food it tries to eliminate.

MS needs to smartly change course & learn to delegate & rely on all the innovators out there: start by un-hinging the browser & media player from the OS-- allocate those resources to where they're needed more-- and interface into the OS the tons of feature & app innovations out there. Then start work on the next gen / meaningful stuff: Cell & Niagara-type processors, XDram, grid array(nixing the pci bus), holo disc, 200gb a sec web, wearable/implantable electronics, etc.

BUT NOT THIS: 64-bit OS, tabbed browsers, and etc. what have you coming out a decade after others have been out-- then trying to quash those new products of others. In this manner MS is doing ZERO to improve the planet-- and further instead, holding society back a decade technology-wise.

Wise up Bill: hire yourself a real visionary CEO and move on with your life onto OTHER bigger and better things-- unless you relish being a combo banana dictator for life and punch-drunk boxer who never retires.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:35 PM

I very much like the default features of IE7.

The tab preview and snapshots are very nice.

Speed is an issue, memory usage is decent...If they do *any* work at all on either of these before it hits RC, I'm sure this browser will do quite well.

I would *love* to see more stories or details on how they are implementing their "add-on" doohickey, though.

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By womfalcs7

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 1:37 PM

I have IE7 and I gotta say, it's nowhere near as good as Firefox 1.5 BETA (I said beta, all caps) was when it was released.

With that said, IE7 will not even be as good as Firefox 1.5 and the 2.0 installment of FF comes out before IE7 final does.

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By anmol.2k4

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 9:53 AM

with ie7 M$ has done a good job and I'm starting to hate FF fan-boys statement, i know they were sitting on their asses when they had no competition, i have used FF for 2 year now i use opera, and i think all three IE7 FF and opera are good , but i think it(ie7) will satisfy most people(on vista) in future, M$ have done what most end users expects from a browser, i know they don't care much about us.

for general public it will not make a major difference whether they use opera/ff/IE7.

but they will get IE7 by default and that is why IE7 is going to be a BIG success.

i know opera and ff are better in some ways but i think it is very very hard to explain this to general public (what are extensions/widgets and how to use them,security,standards etc. etc.)

what most people will care about is that which browser starts faster and is easy to use,they are not going to care about why IE is faster than FF.

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By catu

edited Mar 17, 2006 - 2:36 PM

- IE7 is faster and much more stable than Firefox 1.5
- IE7 uses less memory than Firefox 1.5
- IE7 renders the pages much more faster than Firefox 1.5
- with IE7 you also have: thumbnails preview of tabs, high resolution page zoom, antispoofing filter, antiphishing filter. You don't have to install other plugins because it's all included and much more efficient and reliable!
- with "Fix My settings" the browser checks at startup, or when you modify the settings, if your settings are safe or not and notify to you.
- bye bye Firefox 1.5

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By sophist_dreams

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 9:36 PM

you huff whipped cream right?

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By cowgaR

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 4:38 PM

you know how I recognize a power-user with technicaly savy and wannabe cooler newbies?

the other ones use IE for browsing...

enough said, i really DON'T have time to explain this to you, you are full of s***

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By Desides

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:41 PM

"- IE7 is faster and much more stable than Firefox 1.5"

Subjective statement.

"- IE7 renders the pages much more faster than Firefox 1.5"

Subjective statement.

"- with IE7 you also have: thumbnails preview of tabs, high resolution page zoom, antispoofing filter, antiphishing filter. You don't have to install other plugins because it's all included and much more efficient and reliable!"

What do you know, Firefox has had extensions that incorporate those features for months. And they're actually reliable! Unless you believe that companies like Google produce unreliable software.

"- bye bye Firefox 1.5"

Bye bye, troll.

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By TanNg

edited Mar 17, 2006 - 7:38 PM

IE7 is more stable than FF1.5. I use FireFox because it have some extension that i like, but it crashes and frozen 5-7 times per day. IE7 almost no crash

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By filtr

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 10:14 PM

You've got problems besides your choice of web browser if firefox crashes 5-7 times per day... infact, if firefox EVER crashes you've got problems. check out spywareguide.com, bitdefender.com, get windows defender from microsoft, get rid of any of that mainstream crap like norton... maybe even just wipe your drive and start fresh.

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By THZGryphon

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 5:21 PM

"Bye bye, troll."

Ironic

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By Desides

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 6:15 PM

Not really.

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By cjackson27

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 7:57 PM

Really.

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By Desides

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 3:52 AM

Nah.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2006 - 10:11 PM

Trolls love getting the last word, I think both of you could possibly be trolling...

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By Metshrine

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:05 PM

You mean as good as firefox WITH Extensions or without? IE has always been far more usable and quick without the need for 3rd party extensions or applications. It starts up faster than firefox ever has (although opera is right on par with IE in startup times) and uses FAR FAR LESS MEMORY (Again, opera is on par here, so please dont use the excuse that it preloads components with windows as that crow wont caw). Firefox is pretty bland as a web browser without extensions installed and tends to crash far more than I've seen IE crash.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:33 PM

My experience with Opera has been horrible.

I've heard all the raves.

I admit the startup times are faster.

Problem is...

On the 3 systems I tested 8.5 and 9.0RC on, 8.5 (for some ungodly reason, and I'm certain it's due to other software I have installed) would not even display Google's Personalized homepage properly, much less Betanews or Ars (we're talking no background, tables all screwed and CSS elements either completely missing or way the hell out of place) and 9.0 RC crashed like hell constantly and could not handle a javascript query that returned over 1000 results.

*shrug*

All three systems.

Again, I'm sure it's software related, but even after uninstalling and re-installing 8.5 it was screwed.

I assume this does not affect most (or perhaps any) other Opera users, but it sure as hell turned me off to the product when both FireFox and IE7 seem to work just fine on my systems. (other than the FF memory leak...which can apparently be fixed...I'm just too damn lazy to do it.)

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By Scotch Moose

edited Mar 20, 2006 - 12:29 PM

Opera's biggest problem is sabotage. IIS for years has served up bad CSS to browsers that identify themselves as Opera. To get proper displays you have to configure Opera to identify itself as Internet Explorer. Then ISS will serve up the good CSS and the page will look right.

That kind of anti-competive behavior should be a crime.

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By Desides

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:44 PM

Your problems with Opera are most definitely software-related, in the sense that Opera itself goofed up. Opera doesn't render pages nearly as well as Firefox does, period. Yahoo Mail still fails to render properly after years and years.

Sure, Opera is fast, but if the page looks like trash, what's the point? Opera does a good job of offering a lot of features in a small installation and memory footprint, but for actual web browsing, it ain't so hot.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 2:58 PM

If it's rendering engine is so completely hosed, why do most Opera users I know rave on about it so?

Nah... There's got to be some other compatibility gaffe going on here. I'm not quite ready to lay the blame 100% on Opera.

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By Desides

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 6:16 PM

They praise mainly the features and low memory footprint. No one ever praises Opera's rendering, because there's nothing worthy of praise. The only news we've heard on that front is that Opera 9 will pass Acid2--okay, that's great, but how about passing the Yahoo Mail rendering test sometime?

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By jshurst

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 12:41 PM

IE7 doesn't seem to render pages as "crisp" as firefox, or IE6 for that matter. Every page I go to seems kind of "foggy" or something. Kind of weird. Also, does IE7 support user skins and extensions? Also they should also change the find function to more closely resemble firefox (I really hate when the find box pops up in front - just have it a corner somewhere!)

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By andrewclark

edited Mar 17, 2006 - 1:47 PM

In response to the complaint about pages not being as "crisp" as before, this is because IE7 has ClearType turned on by default. To turn it off, go tools>internet options>advanced>uncheck "Use ClearType". ClearType is much better if you are using a TFT monitor but not as good if you are using a conventional CRT display.

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By jshurst

posted Mar 18, 2006 - 12:48 PM

Cool, thanks.

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By school1012

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 1:23 PM

I find reading website easyer in IE7 compaired to IE6 or FF. I agree that the should change the find feature, it is old and out of date.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 17, 2006 - 12:34 PM

Cool. That means that about 10 minutes after they hand it out it will be available on the USENET.

Good deal.

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By johnathonm

posted Mar 20, 2006 - 12:47 AM

Ok, so my two cents. I have tried switching to FireFox. I gave it a run for it's money at version 1 and 1.5. I even installed and tried running opera. In the end, I kept going back to IE, why you might ask, it does what I need it to do. IE is fast for me. IE renders pages as quick or quicker then firefox, it also loads quite a bit faster. Now, as for IE 7, I have to say my biggest gripe is the departure from standard application scheme. I don't like that the stop button is so far from the address bar. The tab functionality seems much more intuitive to me then FF's or Opera's. Sure, IE has it's flaws and weaknesses but so do FF/Opera. They just aren't targeted as heavily at the moment for a the simple reason "Marketshare". If you saw the tables turned, it'd be attacked, hacked etc just as badly as IE has in the past. IE 7,within Vista, is going to redefine the browser market. They have changed the applications operating functionality. It now runs in a restricted type of account (from what I can call) without permissions or rights to make serious changes/modifications to anything on the machine. Further, IE 7 is great for troubleshooting because of the "launch IE with no add-ons".

Sure Microsoft has made mistakes with IE and FireFox will do the same. Never forget it's the end users unsafe browsing habits that dictate the vulnerability of a machine. The keys here are to have users be...users. If you limit certainrights or treat certain applications as high risk and run them within a secure memory space, then you make major strides in further protecting the machine.

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