Getting an iPod handed to you by a relative as a holiday gift doesn't make you a "convert", does it?

No it's how I started out on the road to bad sound quality. Except mine was a gift from the owner of the company I subcontract for exclusively.

Custom laser etching, the works. I got an 80GB video in black. I then bought all kinds of docks, interfaces etc.. to make it work with everything in my house.

I then realized my Sansa sounds better and weighs a fifth as much.

Pffsst, by 2013 we'll have much MUCH bigger problems to worry about then MAC vs. PC....

I agree. The great Pasta Overlords will strain their noodley appendages across our virgin lands!

And nearly 75% of America will be Mac users by 2013! "Resistance is futile!"

Not when a much cheaper solution can be found with the PC. Mac=over priced.

When you calculate the price of Macs vs. PCs are you taking into consideration all the legit software that comes bundled with the Mac, and how much it would cost on a PC to get similar stuff?

Usually, when that is taken into consideration, the gap shortens...

How about free software? Or games? Does Mac even have games? :)

Really, the question that comes into my mind is; Why should one buy a Mac? I have to admit, i don't know much about Macs, but neither have i seen any reasons to even consider buying one.

Macs do have games. I'm not a gamer myself, but let us keep in mind that the new Macs can run Windows, if necessary.

However, I hardly expect Macs to be the platform of choice for gamers.

As for reasons for buying a Mac, I can only speak for my own reasons - and I'm sure some will disagree with them (and I respect that):
1 - Stability - Macs are extremely stable. Even if a program does crash, it usually won't afect anything other than itself.

2 - Performance - My old MacCube (450Mhz with 512Mb) can do most of Vista's new tricks under Tiger, while running some heavy software such as Photoshop, and Office, altogether. As for my newer Macs, I've never been able to do anything that would slow them down. Multitasking under a Mac is excellent.

3 - Interface - Far more pleasant and intuitive than any Windows machine I've ever played with. Also, integration among iLife apps is fantastic.

4 - New tricks - Apple is always providing some nice new tricks. First was indexed searching, which now every computer has, now it's the Time Machine, and so forth. For some, these are useless, but for me they are very nice.

5 - Best multimedia apps - Macs are the best computer out there for handling graphics, photos and movies.

6 - Safety - Since Macs are not the standard platform, there is very little malicious code that will affect it. Most malicious code is written to run under Windows. Also, the Unix core is arguably a little safer.

7 - Lack of Patience - The greatest reason of all: I work with Windows all day long. I have no patience to use it even at home. I need a break from it. LOL

8 - Ease of use - Every family has newbies in them. I love the fact that those who are not very computer literate can use Macs fairly easily, and with very little risk of breaking things. Granted, Vista has improved on that. But it's become too annoying, IMHO.

For me, those reasons are more than enough to justify the extra bucks. Of course, like I said, some will disagree. I'm not trying to say that Macs are the best platform for everyone or every case. However, it's just not fair to label them as some sort of overpriced computer family chosen only by idiots. :-)

Obviously you haven't spent much time using UNIX either.

The primary advantage the Mac offers is a very competitively priced machine (if you do not want to build one, and like it or not, the average user does not)that is able to run ALL environments. Like it or not.

And others mention price. So let's debate it. But first one might want to discover the prices! Then if anyone wants to debate that after price a DUAL QUAD CORE XEON non-Apple computer and compare it to the Mac Pro for $2800.

Not only do most not know the environments that run on the Mac, they don't know the hardware nor prices.

And if someone desire or need/want the option to run Both UNIX and Windows (and even Linux, the baby UNIX designed by Windows users to look like Windows without applications that can't talk to Windows and with a file structure that confuses both UNIX and Windows folks - and yeah, I know, its about to take over the desktop any minute now! ;-), or if they just want an elegant powerful environment without wanting to know anything about how the machine works, the Mac excels.

The MacBook is available for about $1000 and the miniMac for about $600, and a 24 inch IMac for about $1800 - very competitively priced - whether one like them or not.

And they work JUST FINE as a Windows machine. If that is your strange idea of of an improvement.

At least get your facts straight.

Oh, but YOUR worry is about GAMES!
Hmmmmm...

If you and others are clueless about a product, it follows that you probably wouldn't want one.

Just like we wonder why anyone wants to read the opinion of anyone who is willfully ignorant about the topic!

Yeah 10 years ago but not anymore.

You still cannot buy a $300 pc from Apple, so in the consumer's eyes still overpriced.

he only problem is that those $300 PCs you speak of are practically useless.

the average user uses their pc to check email, surf the net, listen to music and play a game or two.

Overkill.

What made you think i'm "worried about games"? Because i'm not, why? Because i'm using Windows. Which means if theres any game to be played, i'm able to play it. Not that i do play much these days.

Thats right, i haven't used UNIX. Yea, im shocked too.

Fair enough.

not going to game much on a $300 pc....a low end graphics card costs more than that.

Not going to happen here! While I have an iPod and love it, I'll stick with my PCs. I used a MAC in college, they stink. When I bought my new laptop two months ago I looked at the price of a MAC with comparable hardware, $1,000 more...that's almost double what I paid! Not sure if the end user can upgrade a MAC by themselves, I know I can upgrade my PC. I do have to say I like Apple commercials though.

What?

A high-end graphics card can (and does) cost almost half that amount.

GeForce 8800 GT 512MB?

What some people fail to understand is that Apple doesn't target their products at having a better hardware, or more features for the gadget-loving Geeks out there.

Apple's products are simply targeted at providing a better overall user experience for Mr. Joe Average, and at that they do very well. Nobody points a gun at a user and says they must buy a certain product. If the iPod really sucked, would it still be successful after so many generations?

Same goes with the iPhone. I saw many people whining about it when it came out, saying it didn't have the best hardware. True, it doesn't. But I've owned several smartphones and I can tell you that none of them offered anything anywhere close to the pleasant experience of using an iPhone. In a world where interfaces are awful and devices are so annoying to use (and I've owned lots of them), the iPhone is surprisingly pleasant, up to a point that I end up using it a lot more often than any other device I've ever owned.

If you want the best bang for the buck or cutting-edge hardware specs, then Apple products may not be for you. But some of us here prefer a pleasant user experience over that. And that doesn't make us morons. When I buy a Mac computer, I'm not looking for the cheapest Core 2 Duo PC, but rather for a different user experience.

here here, well said.

iPhone 8GB for example is sold for $400
But the cost to make it is $50 (China)+ other things.
And they jacked up the price so big so all of them can profit.
Unlike computer products, without market control and price slashed down like nothing. So Apple is ripping us off big time.

I'd wait for a more reasonable-priced Android phone later.

What about the cost to research, develop the OS (which is actually STABLE , and not some relabelled beta thrown at us), think about a way to make it far more enjoyable, develop SDK, update the phone, marketing media, and all the other variables which do not go into the direct cost of manufacturing. Are you taking those into consideration? Certainly Apple is making a good profit out of the phone, but it could be a little less than you think, per unit. Anyway, companies do exist to make profit.

How did u ever came up with $50 as cost price.
check this link
http://gizmodo.com/gadge...s-fanboy-tax-229664.php

Ok. A 4gb component cost $35 in iPhone and a 8gb cost $70. However, for MS Sync, a 2gb cost a merely of $3.80?!?!? The number for the iPhone must be wrong. If I can get a 4gigs for far less that that price a year ago, I am sure Apple can do a lot better.

http://www.betanews.com/...ord_about_30/1203717682

omgosh, the iPod is just a success story. Leave it at that.

So is BOSE. It's just another reminder of how clueless the public actually is about turds wrapped in pretty veneer and good marketing.

Bose = iPod, both are overpriced and sound bad and the American public scoops them up thinking that own great products.

Just in case any of you sheep have bought into the BOSE propaganda, let me enlighten you. Those cube speakers have a plastic shell that cost about 59 cents to manufacture and the drivers are paper cone speakers from China that cost 25 cents.

The Acoustimass sub also has a paper cone driver hidden in a seventh order bandpass enclosure which is hugely efficient but limited to a strict range of frequency. The amp that drives the sub costs BOSE around 5-6 dollars to produce.

All in all you pay around 1800 dollars for a product that costs them around $50 from start to finish.

Same with Apple, does anyone know the production cost of an iPhone or typical iPod video?

I've noticed that with my Acoustimass... which I fortunately did not pay for. It was given to me, so I decided to make use of it for what it was worth... which isn't much.

In my opinion, for the best quality-to-price ratio, look no further than SVS.

What a bunch of clueless sheep Americans really are. Brainwashed into buying inferior goods, just because they have been told to do so. Does not matter if it's Xbox, iPod or even Ford.

This is one of the many reasons America is the laughing stock of the world.

Uh, ok. inferior goods, and they were told to buy it? itunes, second biggest music seller, ipod most popular by far music player in the world. But yeah, its inferior.

So want to tell me what makes the ipod inferior? I bet your a zune owner aren't you!

But yeah the biggest inferior ipod of them all is no doubt the ipod touch, What a piece of crap! Granted I am speaking from mr minutemaid's logic. Why not back it up 60 second man.

he probably doesn't have a zune, he hates MS

i'm happy with my zune though :)

What a stupid nazi. Inferior you say? Hmmm... lets see, when I last checked Windows, Macintosh and Linux are all AMERICAN operating systems which are pretty much on ALL of the worlds computers! The iPod? It's simply the WORLD'S most popular MP3 player ever! I don't think the world is laughing to much at us.

But in all fairness, only a nazi coward bas**** criticizes another's country and hides where he is from. (^__^)

I'd like to point out here is that Linux is not an American OS. It was created in Finland.

No, actually i got my first ipod for the sake of curiosity. I liked it so I continue to buy them when I decide I want one of the new versions. I don't buy them because anyone told me to.

Someone mentions the iPod and the fanboys all run out and tout the Zune, despite the fact that few of them (or anyone else) have one.

Go figure...

Bottomline, whether you like the low-fi convenience format or not, Apple dominates this market niche with a more elegant product the CONSUMERS prefer.

Stop the whining and come out with a better product at a better price point that the CONSUMERS prefer.

And since the fanboys seem to think the iPod so lame, bringing out a better product that is more highly preferred should be easy...

We're still waiting.....and waiting.....and waiting....

It's not so much a matter of non-Apple fanboys thinking the iPod to be inferior... it's the Apple fanboys evangelizing its superiority that gets rather tiresome... the same way they do for the rest of Apple's products.

The fact that the iPod is so popular means simply one thing: Apple is a marketing powerhouse. It says nothing of their product's superiority.

I do not bash the iPod, for I have one. I don't consider myself a sheep following the Apple flock. It just so happens that the iPod currently has better industry-wide support, and I settled for the sake of convenience. It does not mean that I felt the iPod was the best all-around media player for the price, for it is truly not. It just happened to meet a need I had, and nothing more.

iRiver, Creative, Microsoft... many companies have similar products that offer far more features for less money. Apple simply succeeded in making the iPod synonymous with MP3 players for as many consumers as they could early on, and that is a testament to their heavy influence through historically brilliant marketing.

Sansa sounds more dynamic than the flat, uninspired iPod. Still no Zune here but the virtual iPod on the Nintendo DS running out of the headphone jack sounds better than the iPod too. I've tried it.

I don't know why the iPod is so flat, just like the BOSE crap the uninformed sheep line up to buy when they want to build a "home theater".

So market means better product?

That must mean Linux OS must be real s***ty and Apple OS too?

The consumers prefer? LOL! Now thats funny! Ask those same consumers to name off 4 different mp3 players. They will look at you like you told a bad joke. Mp3 player is synonymous with Ipod. Its the same with browsers, operating systems, hell even hd format most people would not have a clue that there is one.

Now I do have both one big difference is when the Ipod is at loud volumes it distorts all to hell, the Zune does not.

I would replace my Ipod all together but other then sync there isn't a way to interface with your car like and ipod can, yet.

Its funny you claim to be no fanboy, yet you go on and on about the ipod.

My iPod is great. Plenty of 'dynamics' with the EQ turned off!

I am going to go with either the ipod you used was broken, the earphones were crap or you have bad hearing.

I find my ipod is excellent, just don't use the included white earphones, those are crap.

So what are you judging here, the ipod itself or the earphones you use? Maybe Sansa does have better earphones, excellent! Glad they have headphones you can buy and those aren't proprietary!

Actually, there's a difference. For starters, Linux is still too geeky for the average end-user. Heck, it's too geeky even for some geeks out there. It has evolved, certainly, but it still has a long way to go before it becomes a viable alternative for which Mr. Joe Average doesn't need to call technical support to install his new camera software.

And Apple's OS didn't become as successful because of Apple's market tactics - they decided on closed architecture, while PCs were open. But what can we say about IBM? Have things really turned out better for them? It's a somewhat controversial issue.

Nowadays, why is it that Macs are seeing a sort of comeback? Because with Internet, open formats and higher compatibility between platforms, being a Mac owner is no longer like being stranded in a desert island. That, and the greater ease of porting software for Macs (given its Unix core and switch to Intel processors.)

But still, being a proprietary system, it will never rise above a certain market share. And Apple knows it.

Oh, so the Apple fanboys have dominated this thread? "It's not so much a matter of non-Apple fanboys thinking the iPod to be inferior... it's the Apple fanboys evangelizing its superiority that gets rather tiresome... the same way they do for the rest of Apple's products."

And why do the MS fanboys and anti-Apple fanboys come out of the woodwork to decend on this thread just to b!tch and moan about the iPod (and Apple and the Mac for that matter) - something they claim to not care about.

Emotionally mature folks ignore what they don't care about. They don't need to obsess about that which they don't care about.

And they certainly don't worry about what someone else runs nor if those people like what they use.

Wouldn't it be nice if MS could engender the same customer sat for the same reasons that Apple does - and no, they don't.

The reason the iPod is popular is that people like it, be it for it's elegance of design, its shape, its color or thefact that maybe people are simply enamored by fruit. Who cares? People like it.

And you or others can tell us how stupid folks are to like it, just as anyone who runs any of the larger more capable UNIX environments can easily say the same about the mediocre Windows environment.

But who cares, if the Zune or Windows floats your boat, USE IT! It doesn't bother me! I use it when I have to, its a tool. Not the best, but so what. I will use the OS that I like best when I have the choice. And if someone else likes another environment and they use it, fine!

But NOT here!

Unfortunately the constant whine about this place is akin to a religious argument where the other person is correct ONLY when they reflect your opinion, instead of simply debating the pros and cons of each environment without some pathological ignorance of the differing opinion until they capitulate and adopt your obsession.

The irony is that religion and politics have the potential to be debated intelligently in a polite and respectful way that explores the issue rather than simply tries to denigrate the other. But not here! After all, that would assume a level of maturity that transcends that of an 8 year old. And I suspect that the average age of this forum is somewhere closer to 14-16! ;P

Again, if they like it and want to say it in a thread about the #&$%# product, so be it. You complain about those who like it, but complaints seem to be just fine...

After all, THEY are "stupid"! And the MARKETPLACE is "stupid"! Aren't THEY?

Well, most are here in a thread regarding a product they claim not to care about, whining about how those who like it are "stupid".

So I just might have a suggestion as to who the really stupid persons are.

Not to mention lost looking for information regarding a product they actually like and care about!

Allot of folks like it and are willing to buy it.

Don't you wish the wonderful Edsel's that you like, but which no one buys as they don't suit their needs and desires, did so well???

Oh, but they are SO MUCH BETTER! Right! Obviously they don't suit the perceived needs of the "stupid" marketplace. And the engineer's of the products you tout aren't smart enough to satisfy the "stupid" marketplace. Ain't they swooft!?

But no, YOU "don't bash the iPod" as you tell us how stupid the buyers and users are. Yo see, YOU "are not a sheep" like all the other users! You are enlightened, whereas the others are mindless and stupid. And the product is "best"because it suits their needs - whatever they may be!!! - best!

For the same reason that YOU have one genius!

But I love how you subjectively decide what other's should like and what suits their needs! The fact is, those 'superior'(sic) products haven't made a significant inroad into the market.

And if you don't see the irony of that statement, YOU are the stupid one.

People can use whatever platform that suits their preferences. And ironically, if we applied the same standards and evaluated all products on the basis of elegance and power, we certainly wouldn't be spending much time talking about Windows - and even less time using it!

Choice is good. Unfortunately, many just can't stand to see others exercise their freedom to choose differently than they would.

Deal with it.

Not even close, I have two pairs of Sennheisers (BOSE QC2 & 3's are for broke chumps), one over the ear, one lightweight on the ear, an iPod dock running through my whole house audio known as iPort, and direct connections on both of our vehicles to the audio system.

None of them sund as good as the Sansa running out the headphone jack. Sorry, the iPod's audio output stage is crap. You just don't know any better.

The first thing I did was toss the headphones on both iPods.

I find Linux is as "geeky" as you want it to be.

If you install it and literally just want to surf the web, send emails, listen to music, watch movies and work with documents, etc then you don't even need to know how it works.

It's only if you want to go further that you need to start learning about it, but I'd say that was the same for any modern OS.

"Emotionally mature folks ignore what they don't care about."

Ironically, that's exactly where I lost interest. However, using your logic, it seems to speak volumes about your emotional state.

Based on your misguided interpretation of my comment, you assume far too much about me. But, if your little tirade made you feel better, then I'm glad I could help.

...and I bet they're happy with it too.

You could not say it better! I agree. These forums became troll/fanboy battlecamp... I think Apple deserves what they have: they made portable mp3 massive with good products and marketting. I am glad about it!

Agreed, I just picked up a Sansa e270 (6 Gb model) for $50 from Woot!

The sound does sound much better then my nano and I am testing this through the usb port on my stereo in my car.

Still, none of these players compares to physical media but its nice to be able to carry around about 1,000 songs without worrying about cases.

Sansa is by far the best player for the money. The 80GB iCrap I own sucks a bag of s***, the new GB Nano I gave my wife sounds just as bad.

I love when people "you are bashing the iPod because you can't afford one" to me. I have two, and the pale in comparison to a cheap Sansa which is sad. The cover flow actually shows about 10% of the album covers, it says it can't find the rest. Garbage.

As I already said, the iPod is the best backup drive you can buy that also plays music as a stand alone device.

That's because you haven't compared it to anything better. So yes, it is the best you have heard.

He tends to miss the point a lot, he interprets everything typed is what "you" said if you argue something with him. Then goes onto these long winded conversations about nothing and is most proud of the exclamation point.

Its funny he talks about emotionally mature folks ignore what they don't care about then goes on to disproving his whole point.

We all have opinions and different takes on a product. Its up for debate but you can't call something as low quality if you have never used it.

The Zune for example is one of them, the 2nd generation of the device has gotten pretty strong reviews and even mentioned as a worthy competitor for ipod now. But because we have the anti-ms crowd, it has to be horrible because MS made it.

Both devices have their advantages and disadvantages.

The following is MY OPINION AND VIEWS ON USAGE OF THE FOLLOWING PRODUCTS:

Personally I like the UI on the Zune better, its more intuitive and navigation is cleaner, with ipod I need to go back a screen to view by a different topic with the Zune I just push the direction pad over 1 time.

The Sansa is nice as it can be used with a variety of freeware programs.

Ipod is nice as damn near everything works for it, and has a plethra of accessories.

The Zune software I find is much cleaner and less heavy to navigate through, it does have issues with importing some songs as the metadata gets messed up I believe its caused by songs that are downloaded.

Itunes click and drag is a nightmare selecting multilples is a chore, also their autofill feature tends to only fill itunes store's songs (if this can be prevented I would love to know how) Also Itunes installs mobile support everytime itunes needs to be updated and has processes that are always running whether you want them or not. Its also well documented that Ipods like to freeze up and stop working which is quite annoying when you cannot get to a pc as you are several hundred miles away. Buying another one does not fix this issue its a flaw with the entire product line.

I found Ubuntu is really easy to use. Way better than XP or Vista. I used to be Vista fanboy (own Vista Ultimate), but since I found Ubuntu, my love just s***ed.

WOW!...that was a long article... never even tried to read,so damn long. When are people going to learn not make just long comment in a comment.

Both of you are wrong. Not very surprising though!

The comments were NOT limited to only what youngmj's comments were, although his were included!

Duh! But being an egoist, he obviously missed it!

And poor terminally braindead, "you" can also be used in the form commonly referred to as an "editorial you".

I don't care about the iPod or the Zune or any other of the 'convenience over fidelity' utility devices, except to recognize the market.

But I do care about the fanboy BS. And what could be a relatively intelligent discussion of market factors is consistently lost in the attempt of the majority trying to push their opinion on the larger market who doesn't care - as witnessed by sales! Duh!

But that doesn't stop YOU from attempting to prove some point about your opinion of various units!

And mister wizard, no one called it the Zune or any other device as "low quality" EXCEPT to the degree that all of the devices feature LOW FIDELITY default playback formats! DEAL WITH IT! Sorry you don't understand the reference to audio formats! But your confusion continues yet again.

And the majority of folks have decided that they like the iPod over the competition, for whatever reason! And the reasons don't matter, except to the degree that the competition has failed to figure them out and provide a more competitive product.

So the seemingly endless attempt to push the alternatives, as you try so hard to do is moot. Who cares? Obviously not those who have decided to the contrary and gotten an iPod. But you just can't accept that can you as you just feel the need to keep debating a moot point!

The point of the article was not that there there aren't alternatives nor that you can't buy another product, but the fact remains that the alternatives are in the minority. Cry and whine all you like, but they nevertheless DOMINATE the market.

But I love how you point out that the iPod is optimized to work with iTunes. Really? Go figure! Now, if it could only corrupt metadata like the Zune...THEN they would really be onto something! ROFLMAO!

Impressive Sheep Gathering.

Exactly.

I made some test some weeks ago and I was surprised how bad iPod sounds. Such devices for listening to the music, right? Meizu, iRiver, Cowon, etc. (or in general Rockbox + Wolfson combination) sound much, much better.

I've be saying it for a long time. The audio output stage is the cheapest money can buy.

True, I've observed the same with my iPod.

However, its sound quality via the headphone output should not be confused with the digital transfer quality over the dock connector. Through the Full Speed connector on my Alpine CDA-9856 receiver, it sounds fantastic, as it is a direct digital transport bypassing everything that usually adversely affects the audio quality. It handles the decoding, not the iPod. Then, BBE processing works its magic.

I have 3 from last month thanks to netgear giving them free with switches, also picked up 2 free today funnily enough with a deal with some xerox printers.

So the ubiquitous Ipod sells a bunch during the holidays. Big surprise. There's an ipod commercial on TV every 10 mins and kids don't know what Zunes or Zens are....I'd think this would be obvious. What I don't understand is their use of the term 'converts'. How do they know people dropped another player for an ipod? Can't these ipods be gifts or replacements for older ipods?

I have nothing against them really. I did when they were expensive for no reason (remember when the 30gb Ipod was 400+?), but they've dropped in price and are now value for money and really competing with other mp3 players.
I do however absolutely hate itunes and I require a playforsure device for use with Rhapsody.

Still don't have one, still think the iPod sucks.

This should not be a surprise to anyone. There is no mp3 player which can hold a candle to the iPod. The iPod has the whole package polished...hardware and software.

iPod clones like the M$ Zune, fail in both regards...subpar hardware, and horrid software. Plus, the iPod sounds better than the flat sound you get from the M$ Zune and Creative players.

Maybe Zune 3.0 will fare better. Right now, the best players out still wear Apple logos.

BTW - still have not seen a M$ Zune outside of a store.

With in the last few months, I have had a lot of customers asking about the Zune. I have several customers kids wanting the device because of the new games coming.

"BTW - still have not seen a M$ Zune outside of a store."

Then go outside

He can't find his way from under the rock he lives under.

Just got a Zune 80 last month, love the device. Have used the iPods, don't see any real benefit in using an iPod over a Zune, they are both the same price, and the Zune offers more for your money.

Baaaaaf! Be smart if you have an iSheep, use SharePod instead of BlowTunes. I also use it for a portable backup drive that happens to play MP3's.

I'll second that. SharePod is a very nice free utility that also lets you transfer tunes back to a PC.

Also, ml_ipod for Winamp is nice for quick and easy transfers from your playlist.

Best of all, SharePod lets you grab everyone elses music and share yours with them.

Apple will always prevail as they control both software and hardware. Truly totally quality control achievable only if the producer controls both aspects.

Why don't you have someone control your entire life? Go jump off a bridge.

I've done that, but with a bungie cord attached to my ankles, it takes a big set of balls or a death wish to jump when the moment comes.

Or just lots and lots of Mary J.

I'm a thrill junkie. Coasters, rides like the ones at the top of the Stratosphere (three of the most intense rides ever built), things like that.

I also bungied across from the Circus Circus in Vegas (A J Hackett).

Bungie jumping.....one thing no one will ever and I repeat EVER see me do.

Be careful, there were some people that had received thrombus after they performed bungie jumping, as well as coaster rides.

I looked up thrombus, I think I'm destined to check out early anyways, no worries.