Dont forget, its great to have soaring hardware sales... but its important to have a good software attachment rate also.
And theres only one console doing VERY well with that currently ;)

SHHHHH don't say that here.

Yes also don't you dare mention the fact that the 360 has a higher attach rate than the POS3 and Wii put together.

How is that possible, I look at my game library and see over 30 360 games 1 PS3 games and 5 wii. Add the 4 more preorders for the 360 and non for PS3 and Wii. Like you stated before so many good games coming for the 360 its crazy. But then again some fanboys say nothing good is coming for the 360 and its dead.

I would like to see more good stuff come out for the Wii. If I'm lucky they might make Q-bert 2 so I'll have something to play on the PS3. I never would have thoght that the best games for a $600 video game system would be downloads. Sad, very sad.

I do however praise Nintendo for making a system that appeals to the masses.

I love the M$ fanboi's on here...so predictable. the Wii will have a larger installed base than the 360 very soon.

It will take some additional time to overcome the _year_ advantage the 360 has had in software sales.

By the end of the year, the Wii will own everything in this generation, except the length of time on the market. And i am sure there will be posts about how much better it is to have had a year headstart or how much more mature the system is, etc...

The software attach rate is very important when your not making money on the hardware.

Wii itself is profitable, so its far less important - They are not relying solely on game sales to make money.

Is the 1 game you have a physical disc? I don't have a single physical game, but did download 4 games. I really expected to get at least one when I bought it (actually I did but returned it). R:FOM was just too much like so many other games I've already player on my 360.

360 is great for games and HD DVD movies.
PS3 is great for Blu-ray movies

If you look most of the Wii critics are $ony fanboys but you will never admit that. Most of the MS people here admit the Wii is selling better and will sell more but you will never admit that.

Yes I have Motostorm and don't play it anymore thinking of selling it.

In all fairness I did download SuperStardust, Q-Bert, adn calling all cars.

Somewhat true...the Xbots just tend to say the Wii is not really next gen and the 360 really is #1.

Come on, you have been provided posts from $ony fanboys about the Wii not counting and you ar turning it around as being xbox people. Sorry you are wrong about that.

You can call me a 'fanboi' all you want to try and justify your existance when someone says something that threatens you.
But the fact is I dont 'support' any of these consoles. I just simply looked at figures.

First Nintendo comes in and kicks Sony's ass. now BD losing steam badly to HD-DVD even though 95% of the next gen movie players out there are BD/PS3's.

Sony is losing billions with BD and the PS3 and Microsoft is still making money hand over fist even with their 360 issues.

The top ten HD movies for each format are neck and neck in sales volume. Can Sony do anything right?

Nintendo is doing everything right and won't have to cut the price on the Wii until the start stacking up at stores, which wont be until Spring 2008.

"Sony is losing billions with BD and the PS3 and Microsoft is still making money hand over fist even with their 360 issues."

Nice troll. While M$ as a company is making money from their desktop monopoly, the entertainment division is bleeding money big time due to the on-going failure of the Xbox 360 and HD-DVD add-on.

You really don't have a clue with your desktop monopoly crap. You have a choice if you don't like their product use something else. Your hate is very transparent.

I was under the impression that even though the xbox division is losing a billion, it still is going to make 3 billion?

nope, the M$ entertainment division has yet to turn a profit. they were close before all this extended warranty stuff hit.

"You really don't have a clue with your desktop monopoly crap. You have a choice if you don't like their product use something else. Your hate is very transparent."

Yes, you have choices. You can always go for rootkits, exploding batteries, a DRM infested paperweight of a console masquerading as an HD player, suing small companies who import your handhelds to other regions because they're not selling anyway, empty promises, arrogant lying execs.. etc. Wait, is my hate of Sony transparent too? >_>

Ms is still making billions in profit after the loses. I would take billions.

Very good.

cough....

http://www.betanews.com/...diary_Raided/1185473771

yea that justifies it. honda moves into spacecrafts and losses billions but still makes money on their cars... so its completely ok.

Well, now the important thing is how nintendo is going to put much of its extra profit into good use.

"during the month of June, the Wii outsold the PS3 by 4 to 1 and the Xbox by 2 to 1 in the US market. In Japan, where Sony is traditionally strong, the numbers were even better. The Wii managed to outsell the PS3 there by a 6 to 1 margin."

Ouch. Just, ouch. Sony is hurting so badly, I can't stop laughing. Looks like the "fake" PS3 price drop isn't going to do any good. I say "fake" because it's just a temporary thing to clear out inventory. Granted, they have a GIGANTIC backlog that might take a year or two to clear. Hahahahaha.

Sweet. Now where can I get one?

COSCO

Really? I not a member though I may become one. Is it the Wii by it self or is it a package?

/cry I been searching for one for so long. I can't even get one in Redmond or North Bend at the Nintendo store! Nintendo store in Redmond gets 1-2 in a week and they are all reserved by testers and full time employees.

Hey look, it's Dave posting as Steve. What a surprise.

Here come the trolls.

It's obvious Nintendo is doing their best to fill demand. 9 million consoles worldwide in what, 9 months? That is 1 million consoles made and sold per month, now that is impressive.

So it's obvious this isn't one of those, we are always sold out because we want to look cool and popular type of deals.

Nintendo did their homework and made a system that would appeal to everyone not a smaller demographic. Great and a fun system.

I must admit, when I first read the spec's of the wii before launch, I thought they had no chance... I hated the GameCube and was so angry for wasting my $$ on it. I wanted Nintendo to lose this war.

But, they have now become the underdog that I root for. Good for nintendo. Even if it doesn't last... they are so in the GREEN now that next system hopefully will be next gen.

I love going to the walmart supercenter in town and as I pass by the electronics, they have 4 PS3's, 3 xbox 360's and yet I've NEVER seen the wii(just the empty shelf where it should be).

I'm curious if it will stay that way for the rest of the year.

It took them several months to get the just the accesories in stock.

I think like many others XBOX 360 offers another type of experience then the Nintendo Wii can offer.

So I view as XBOX 360 being the #1 HD Console and Nintendo Wii being the #1 overall console really #2.

Of course we then list the other choices:
Nintendo DS
Gameboy Advanced
PSP
Playstation 3

I really want to laugh at the PS3 being the least sold system in most cases by a large margin. In some regions it might have a small lead but only because of the region's culture I suppose.

Only a true fan could take #1 and #2 and somehow convince himself that 1=2 and 2=1.

One of the reasons I love this place. You get to see some *really* interesting math and amazing feats of twisted logic.

It's like the Olympics of Denial.

yea sure is a great hd console... one that doesn't come standard hd where you have to buy an add-on for an hd player and the highest end model for the hd capabilities.

good thing it has good games cause at $679 for you idea of an 'hd' console the price is quite high

Like you say it has GAMES and movies if you feel the need to have the add-on. And in case you don't you can download them on Live. What a concept. You can also download them for your PS3, oh wait!

i can do that on every version of the 360 right? i guess not the 1/3 without the hardrive.
but when i buy them i can keep them right?... or do i have to pay for watching the same movie again 25 hours after the download? so if i want to own hd movies and play them on my 'hd console' which i paid $479 for it'll cost me an additonal $200 for the add-on right?

I agree with Ramhound (about the math only).

In this case you can say #2 = #1. Though they are both new game consoles, in which NIN is selling at the #1 spot, you cannot put them in the same catagory. What he is trying to say is that overall NIN is #1, MS #1 in the next gen/hd catagory.

For god sakes troll. Maybe everything has to be spelled out. Yes a hard drive would be needed, you can add that if you want. You make it sound like it is impossible to add on. You would be renting the movie wise guy. The PS3 proves that most people that have a high def drive in the system don't use the drive, look at attachment rates so your point is mute. Nothing is stopping from buying the movie. You are priming this for the PS3 is great crap I can see it already. If it was so great the Wii would not be leading sales but it is. The majority of people could care less about High Definition anything. I guess you will never understand that aspect of reality. With that I am done.

my post was originally in response to someone who listed the 360 has the #1 HD Console which it should not been seen as. my posts have nothing to do with a ps3>wii which you make them out to be. and sure you can say that makes my post unrelated to the article but.. then again so would your posts be.

So you don't consider variations in play style next gen? Seems you only think hardware is next gen. For shame.

No I don't. A ps2 with a dance pad or guitar attached is not considered next gen. When there are no improvements to hardware, it's not technicaly "next", it's "current".

"I think like many others XBOX 360 offers another type of experience then the Nintendo Wii can offer."

Yeah, not as fun. Evidence, the Wii is destroying the 360 in the marketplace every day since the day it was released.

Have to love fanboi logic.

motion sensing was not part of current gen hardware (apart from the joke that was the eyetoy).

So the Wii is the same hardware as the Gamecube?

Same thing, just a new case that is what some here want you to believe.

Well there you go... eyetoy. It had motion sensing and it worked (I just didn’t know what to do with it). Eyetoy was not next gen.

Next Gen has to be a complete overhaul of the platform itself. Specs and all have to meet future technological standards not adding a new peripheral to a gamecube. I’m not putting a motion sensing peripheral to my 386 Packered Bell and calling it a next gen gaming rig.

Not the same but not next gen. Like I said above, I'm rooting for NIN now. I hope that they take all this money they're making and use it towards the development of a true next gen system.

"360 has the #1 HD Console which it should not been seen as."

Why not. It does HD and is outselling the PS3 in total global sales, has more games and exclusives over the PS3.

"where you have to buy an add-on for an hd player"

Which is great because I don't care about buying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I just saved myself $200. To bad I can't do that on the PS3.

1/3 of the consoles can do hd, its not an hd driven console

All games are at least 720p. That looks HD drivin to me. Remember it's a game machine, not an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player.

So the original NES with the powerpad became next generation again when that came out, right? Cause, well, that was a very new variation in play style...

And wtf are you saying about hardware and 'play style'? Are you saying that if you wave your Gamecube controller wildly through the air, the Gamecube becomes next-gen? And here I was thinking that the variation in play style was due to the hardware in the controller. Silly of me, really.

Here's a reminder of the powerpad for those of you who didn't experience the joy of doing track and field events at home back in the late 80s...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpad

the ps2 supported 720p, good thing this version of the xbox can and its good to see the low-end hd standards the set for you were effortlessly accepted

"Low-end hd"... you're a funny dude... since 720p and 1080p are practically indistinguishable from anywhere further than 8 feet on any screen size below about 52", I think your pathetic attempt at indirectly showing some sort of PS3 superiorty is kind of pointless.

Besides who gives a crap anyway... certainly doesn't seem like consumers give a crap about the PS3... seems they prefer the low-def, but EXTREMELY FUN Wii... and besides... FUN is what it's all about - not some niche HD technology that is not even wanted on a GAME console by the vast majority of consumers.

"Not the same but not next gen"

So what makes the xbox 360 and ps3 next gen systems?

Yeah none of the games that I played on the PS2 were actually HD. May have been upconverted but not HD. Nice try.

Ah, the games are 1080p that is HD to me.

wow, what can we say .. Nintendo is the master.
If nintendo made a phone .. they'd be number one in that category also

Sounds like Sony and Microsoft have been Nintendowned.

I knew the Wii was going to do well but I didn't expect it to do this well.
A friend has one and I love playing it. But try buying one for yourself, sold out is a popular phrase. But I will get one sooner or later :)

Do what I did. Just find out the date and time of the next shipment of Wii's. I did this at my local bestbuy, it still took me about a month to get my hands on one though :'(

I just do not get why M$ is not lowering their prices. Sony has gained a bit of momentum on the "price cut", and to me, M$ could should kill that _now_. Kick Sony when it is down.

There is no stopping the Wii. The best M$ can hope for is second place. Why risk it? Squash Sony now in the USA and Europe with a price cut which Sony can not afford.

They should lower the price. It would be like kicking a dead dog. I don't think Sony would recuperate unless they dropped the price again to $400. Oh and got some decent games out there. hehe

Just found this
http://www.joystiq.com/2...-50-price-cut-in-august/

I can't believe they lied to us so badly, 2 weeks ago, they said there would be no price drop, now there is one, Microsoft are evil, they told us there was no reliability issues, they told us a HDMI was coming for my 360 premium, they told me there was no price drop.

Here we go again on the price drop. I thought this had been hashed out about a thousand times already.

Of course they would not say if there was going to be a price cut. If it was going to happen next month how many people do you think would go buy one right now? As a result they would have a huge dip in sales, and then when the price was cut the margin would be lower and they would make less money on those sales they should have had the week before.

Grow up.

I've had my 360 since March 2006, I don't have a single complaint. If you don't like the system, don't buy it.

Didn't Sony say no price cut too? We all know where that went.

I think his point is when Sony said there was no price drop and then one happened....well did not really happen...all the M$ droids went nuts.

So now M$ is in the same position and of course all the Xbots are defending it. What goes around comes around.

I don't get it. Isn't a price drop inevitable regardless of the console? Of course here the difference is that it is happening in ~21 months for the 360, and in ~8 months for the PS3.

Indeed, When Sony does it, they are liars, when Microsofr does it, they are gods..

Lame..

"When Sony does it, they are liars"

Yes, Sony are a bunch of liars. What's your point? Everybody already knows this. Constantly trying to contrast Microsoft to Sony, in your feeble attempt to try and make Sony look better has failed many times. Why not just give it up already? People hate Sony and all the Microsoft bashing isn't going to change that. It's like a kid beating up his little brother and then telling his mom "Well, he started it!"

"I can't believe they lied to us so badly, 2 weeks ago, they said there would be no price drop, now there is one, Microsoft are evil," -Dave, Steve, Mark, Pitdingo, Dlab21...

Yes, yes, hypacrite.

Lol...We were ragging on Sony for calling their Clearance sale a price drop. The difference is MS is actually going to keep the SKUs they are dropping the prices on. *wink*

"Lol...We were ragging on Sony for calling their Clearance sale a price drop. The difference is MS is actually going to keep the SKUs they are dropping the prices on. *wink*"

Exactly. I bet all those major chains selling consoles like Best Buy, Walmart, Zellers, Future Shop, etc. were getting tired of Sony using them as storage area for their dust collecting POS3. It's not a price drop, it's a clearance sale because they're desperate to move inventory. Where Nintendo is still having trouble making enough Wiis to keep up with demand, I bet Sony is actually making way more POS3s than they can sell, or even s*** into the channel. Had to clear out some inventory first.

huh? Please show me where i said this.