Opera 7.5 Beta Showcases Integrated E-Mail, Chat

By David Worthington, BetaNews

April 23, 2004, 7:26 PM

Opera 7.50 has come to a crescendo. Opera Software has released the first beta build of its latest Web browser on all desktop platforms – bringing each distribution to a uniform common ground. Version 7.5 combines a completely redesigned interface, integrated e-mail, an IRC-compatible chat client with overall improvements to productivity and speed. 

Opera's user interface has been redesigned with smaller buttons and faster access to key features through the browser's panel selector. The panel selector hosts a cadre of features such as bookmarks, notes, Opera Mail and Opera's budding chat feature. Opera describes its new interface as being "fresh" and "light."

By melding an e-mail client and chat features into the browser, Opera has redefined the browser as an all-purpose communications tool. The Opera Mail client offers customers rich functionality including support for instant content search, a contact database, a newsgroup reader, automatic filtering, a spellchecker, and RSS news feeds.

Opera's spam filter has been enhanced to allow users to classify messages which are then automatically sorted into the appropriate folder. Other improvements are intended to boost speed throughout the application from the time the browser is opened to the moment it is closed.

Opera continues to march on in lieu of Microsoft's nearly complete dominance of the browser market by embracing Web standards and building what it describes as a "better and faster Internet experience."

Industry analyst Joe Wilcox feels that alternative browsers such as Opera can fill the "innovation vacuum" left by Microsoft's abandonment of continual browser improvements. 

"During the browser wars, Microsoft regularly cranked out new IE versions. Now, Microsoft the victor has all but stopped innovating on browser technology outside of new Windows versions. Longhorn is what, two years from release?  Just because Microsoft has all but given up on Web browsers doesn't mean there isn't room for more development.  Consider that IE today isn't that much different from the versions released six years ago," said Wilcox, a senior analyst with Jupiter Research.

The freeware release of Opera contains an advertisement; however, customers can eliminate the ad in return for purchasing six months of service and support. Downloads are available with or without Java. The subscription costs $29.00 USD and includes access to Opera Web Mail Premium. 

An Opera spokesperson refused to comment on a final release date for the browser, stating, "We never give estimated release dates, as major, time-intensive bugs might delay release."

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By darkuni

posted May 12, 2004 - 11:30 AM

As promised, I'm giving back to the Opera community. I've created a FAIRLY seemless ad blocking tool for Opera. http://www.monroeworld.com/operafilter ... once BetaNews starts accepting new files again, I'll get it posted here. Feedback always welcome.

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By xCdx

posted May 7, 2004 - 12:33 PM

Opera has long had integrated email, news and chat - this is nothing new - it may be new that it has been revamped but stop writing from the position that this is somehow new features when it is not.

I have read nothing about the transfer of security logons using the wand to the new version of opera - you would think that would be an important thing...

Opera is great and I am using it as I post this message...

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By iandol

posted Apr 30, 2004 - 6:34 AM

I think you make some valid points, and you have been very constructive and thoughtful, but I think you're somewhat misguided.

Opera do work very hard on improving compatibility. There are many more developers working on the rendering engine than M2 (which is develped by one or two people only). Compatibility has immproved, but Opera always balances bloating the rendering engine and breaking standards support with adding fixes for IE's many foibles.

Opera does have a 'secret' ad blocking system (search for filter.ini) - but they have made a 'political' decision not to make it easily accesible - it would be hypocritical of a company that offers an ad-supported option to block advertising right? Anyway, use The Proxomitron or other proper URL filtering app, it utterly blows away the very weak URL blocking of FireFox (and also the more capable but still limited AdBlock 3rd-party extension).

The 'code' for the communication client is ~230kb - a tiny statically linked DLL that will not make it 'fit' on a floppy by its removal...

PROPER SPOOFING: Think i agree with you here. I use The Proxomitron which allows full spoofing on a per-URL basis and really opens up access to many sites, but Opera should have an option (but it should maybe not be a toggle but work on a limited basis, otherwise Opera's web stats will disappear completely - sites wil think users are using only IE)...

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By darkuni

posted Apr 30, 2004 - 10:52 AM

I guess its frustrating to see a laundry list of M2 fixes while several rendering engine bugs continue to plague users. I don't just beat up Opera about this; when developers add CD burning to text editors - feature bloat is just going too far. Sometimes its not about resources but about usage and real estate. Opera was nice enough to allow us to remove the email/chat from the interface - and I definitely appreciate that.

As for the ad blocking system - I finally found out about the filter.ini - and I'm going to do my part and convert my own ad blocking system (called HOSTSed - its available here on beta news) to work identically with Opera's ad blocking. I'm excited to exploit this feature.

I've never liked Proxomotron (plus its been discontinued, ya?) - I don't like TSR style programs in general. But I do agree that the spoofing issue is a double edged sword. However, this is war I'm afraid we cannot win until IE is forced out of the OS (figure the odds) or Opera can be given away for free without ads (figure the odds on THAT). As long as Microsoft continues to practice the at-least-morally-if-not-illegal wrong 'product dumping', legitimate companies like Real, Opera, et al have very little chance of getting a market share ANYWAY. Why not take care of the CUSTOMER then, and give us proper spoofing? If Opera would set up "per domain" settings, we could easily spoof ONLY IE on those sites, and proudly proclaim Opera everywhere else. I'd like to be able to control Javascript and other features on a per domain basis too. I'll promise Opera this; let me REALLY spoof IE on a domain basis, and I'll run in pure Opera mode everywhere I can.

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By iandol

posted May 3, 2004 - 7:32 PM

+1 on per-domain preferences!!! :) Currently, only OmniWeb 5 BETA offers this crucial feature (it has been also suggested for Mozilla 2). I've lobbied for this as a major new feature for Opera 8 - we can live in hope...

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By darkuni

posted Apr 27, 2004 - 11:37 AM

I've been using Opera since 3.x and I've been the TIRELESS cheerleader of this tiny, fast as hell browser. I still believe its the best browser out there, and I still use it as my primary browser (in fact, I won't use anything else unless I have to). I actually paid for this browser.

This release offers some nice features and a facelift; but I'm beginning to think that Opera (in its quest for IPO) is starting to slip on what makes this the best browser ever.

If you look at the release notes for the last several versions, you will notice that there is a DISTINCTIVE lack of improvements to the RENDERING ENGINE (you know, the reason we're using Opera - to surf the web) and instead, they are spending their time developing the "add ons" like email and chat (ummm.. I have great email and chat clients you aren't going to get me away from - I don't need or want them in my browser). They spend their time improving M2, and NOT (in my opinion) spend the time improving compatibility with crappy a** web sites.

I LOVE Opera's standards compliance; don't get me wrong. In fact, I applaud its rigid standards (any web developer worth a salt should be using Opera to test their pages; I don't care how much market share IE has - it doesn't excuse crappy programming). HOWEVER; if you want to compete with the big boys, you need to allow this sloppy-ass crappy web development to render on your browser. The first time my wife couldn't visit some crappy cross stitch site with Opera, she never used it again. That has to be a familiar story.

I will admit that Opera's new panel interface is VERY intuitive and I'm enjoying the new features (love the transfer progress in the panel). The AOL graphics get a bye because I know that people don't respond to speed and power; they respond to eye candy. That's fine ... I can change it back windows standard. The chat client is (wisely) just a path to IRC and honestly, its pretty well done (again, I'm not sure I like it built into my browser whether I like it or not ... Opera Lite please?). Opera does allow you to "hide" email and chat functionality, but I guarentee you it doesn't remove the overhead these things add to the program.

Instead of complaining and not offering a solution, I'm going to offer my solution to the mix.

1) Halt work on M2 and "other stuff" that isn't DIRECTLY browser related. Need direction? Work on an ad blocker like Firefox (or whatever its called this week) has where you can block full addresses with wildcards.
2) Offer a version of Opera WITHOUT the code required for email and chat (remember "Opera; The browser that fits on a floppy?" ... I'd like to see that come back ... ).
3) Offer a COMPATIBILITY ENGINE to fall back on. Here is how it works; You can choose "compliant and fast" or "sloppy a** and slow" (I wouldn't even mind if the menu item said that - maybe it will make people think). The compliant engine maintains RIGID standards and is fast and sleek like it is now. This gives professional web developers a proper engine to use. OR ... you can choose "sloppy" and attempt to render these god-forsaken nasty coded pages as best as possible (heck, pop up a warning that says 'This page blows, but we'll try to render it anyway; should I use "sloppy ass" settings?).
4) PROPER SPOOFING. If I'm spoofing IE6, there should be NO WAY that a web page can get the name OPERA from my browser. This would solve a LOT of problems in compatibility - since we know that 99% of the pages that say they require IE will work fine in Opera if you can get by the stupid check screen.

As I've said before; people care about the wrong things. They don't care that people can't code web pages to save their a** - they blame the BROWSER carte blanche if something goes wrong with the page. They don't care that Opera smokes in speed, functionality, and power. They care about being able to hit their bank site without it blowing up, blocking ads and popups. They are using AOL mail and don't care about IRC. You want the popularity of the masses. you have to give them what they want. I believe that THIS is what they want.

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By iandol

posted Apr 30, 2004 - 6:41 AM

sorry, forgot to add: Opera does not load the mail/IRC module if it is not used, check memory use with no mail/IRC accounts vs. mail+accounts activated. I get ~13000kb first load with mail turned off and ~17000kb with it turned on and several accounts set up. Just turning it on/off without any accounts will reveal no differences. When Opera used an external DLL (until very recently) - if you turned off the mail/RSS/IRC bit you could physically renamme or delete the DLL (m2.dll) - proving that Opera does NOT load it if not used (because if it did - you would get a DLL error).

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By darkuni

posted May 3, 2004 - 10:48 AM

Thanks for the follow up on that. I appreciate the time.

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By jrepin

posted Apr 25, 2004 - 10:49 AM

I find it amazing how they manage to produce such a small and fast browser with so many features. Very nice job. I still like Mozilla more but Opera is awsome too. Both are muuuuuch better then this arhaic IE.

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By iandol

posted Apr 24, 2004 - 3:59 PM

Looks like it will be a nice release. It is now faster than before, and uses less memory. For those who want JUST a browser, there is a checkbox in preferences to fully unload the communications module (the mail/nntp/irc/rss client was only ~230kb anyway!).

The browser is incredibly customisable. All keyboard, mouse gestures and toolbar buttons can be edited through a simple GUI interface. Menu's and toolbar button functions can be edited via a simple (.ini) text config. Any button, menu item, gesture or key can be bound to a macro language containing >500 commands. If you don't want to do this manually, there are web sites (http://nontroppo.org/wiki/CustomButtons), where you can simply drag'n'drop buttons other users have made. You can also save different browser layouts to swap them with other users!

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By NULLedge

posted Apr 23, 2004 - 11:47 PM

the UI is so much nicer. havent coded for opera in the past, but i just may end up testing it out in the future. gotta see how fickle it is with JS

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By Rolphus

posted Apr 24, 2004 - 5:07 AM

In my (limited) experience of working with Opera from the perspective of a web developer, it's pretty robust if you're used to coding for Mozilla etc. Opera claim complete standards compliance, and as long as you stick to the letter and spirit of the various open standards for web technology, you should be ok. However, Javascript and ECMAScript aren't quite the same, and a lot of Microsoft's (useful) extensions don't work. Again, I believe that if you code for Mozilla and IE, barring any odd quirks, Opera support should be a given. That said, most Opera installations detect as IE given a casual inspection, so you might have to write some more comprehensive detection routines. From the perspective of an Opera user, I must say their compatibility modes are a lot more robust than they used to be - I very rarely have to fire IE up.

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