Mark Gillespie, I can't figure someone like you out.. So far you have called me an Idiot, lyre, Naive and whatever else I don't remember. If you recall this all started because I told everybody about the experience I had with Sony. The problem was it was broke right out of the box and they wouldn't fix it. I don't care about the problems XBOX had on there launch or the problems Sony is having for that matter. Just provide customer service and take care of it. Don't be unethical and make excuses on why it's my fault it don't work it's clearly theirs No company is perfect their Will be defects, no problem, just step up and take care or your mess ups. I never expected Sony to launch all the console without a problem. I just expected them to stand up and correct there mistakes, They did not, They would rather do the unethical thing and slide through some loop hole. From what I get from you, you are young and probably haven't been though to much. I have been in this situation before, just a different company this time, but it's the same scenario all the time. The big powerhouse company stepping on the little guy, and you know why because they can. If it hasn't happened to you yet it will and I hope you remember all the trash you accused me of being. When all I am is a little guy being stepped on by a financial giant because they can. Why you would stick up for them is baffling they would step on you if given the chance they don't care about you or me. They care about money, and you should be outraged that your beloved Sony has screwed me. I have my own business and I live by one rule, spend a $1.00 today to make a customer happy, and they will pay you $2.00 tomorrow. My only guess you are so protective of them is they bought you your first house, Paid the medical bills of your first born, and bought you a car to drive. What has Sony done for you to win you ridiculous loyalty?

OK, OK. I know I'm being a Dave but I am tired of reading Blu_Ray propaganda links.

Here are some stories from news sources like.........oh I don't know, ABC News.

The Sony Blu_Ray debacle

"Because the early Sony HD displays won't play a Sony movie from a Sony player in high def, I expect massive complaints and demands for free upgrades or money back."

read it at

http://abcnews.go.com/Te...gy/ZDM/story?id=2699492

Another quote from a site which tested Blu-Ray against HD-DVD

"But Blu-ray's problems didn't end there. Occasional compression artifacts and brightness issues also led the site to crown HD DVD the winner. "In our first head-to-head comparison, we found the HD DVD to be superior," wrote Peter Bracke. "The unfortunate cropping of the Blu-ray image, coupled with more noticeable compression artifacts and an overall darker cast, can't compete with the more consistently pleasing presentation of the HD DVD."

It's just opinion though, right Dave?

The funny thing is, I am having the hardest time finding anything saying Blu-Ray's picture is superior, unless you wrote it.

Hey check this out that is exactly what mine did out of the box. "Paste that down below or type it in" and you will see what I'm talking about. There is some other great stuff on it.

www.unclegamer.com/ug-tv.../broken_ps3_disc_feeder/ - 20k

Wow, almost like 3 rings of death, except this is straight out of the box. Even worse than overheating...

Your obviously naieve if you thought that Sony (or anyone) could deliver 100% defect free products. Of course there will be failures of PS3, of course people will video it, because they are annoyed.

The bottom line, is however, for every PS2 disc read error, or PS3 not loading discs, I can give you 10 times more posts about Xbox360 rings of death and overheating problems, and thats BEFORE you even take into account the massive Playstation installed userbase that Xbox does not have.

If you want to talk launch failues, don't forget the 360 was horrendous, and WII is not much better with bricked consoles being VERY common..

"you thought that Sony (or anyone) could deliver 100% defect free products"
Um thats not the impresion you were giving 6 months ago when you were ranting about SOny not rushing the PS3.

"I can give you 10 times more posts about Xbox360 rings of death and overheating problems"
Except unlike SOny, Microsoft takes care of its customers (whether purchased on ebay or not). I'm sure a lot of those people with problems are asses out because they got the PS3 on ebay.

More crap coming out without any links to back up your theory.

Hollywood__, whats up buddy.
Check out your favorite site!
They removed 20-30 Blu-ray media and players!
Now if that is fine with you too i will LOL big this time!!!
This site is full of crap!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.thedvdwars.com/AllHDDVDs.cfm

Wait, wait, wait!
What is this? :

Xbox 360 HD DVD Player
Sales rank: 100000

LOLOLOLOLOL

Hahahah:

"OPPO DV-970HD Up-Converting Universal DVD Player"
YEAH! Go for it Hollywood! Buy the OPPO DV-970HD HD DVD player. You will make my day!
AHHAHA!

http://www.amazon.com/Xb...e=UTF8&s=videogames

rank 73

I can see omimsions of players, but I don see where you get media, being that there are 150 blu-ray titles listed.

The blank media. Lots of blank media is gone.
The SONY player is gone, the Phillips is gone, Panasonic is gone... many!

Your complaing about blank media? I was unaware that they contribute to total number of movies being sold...

*sigh* Dave is like trying to break a donkey. Just leave him be and let him have his Blue-Ray player. He can have a nice rare antique whenever HD-DVD blows it off the shelfs.

I think DaveBG just popped a vein in his forehead judging by all the exclamation points in his post.

The counters have been reset for a lot of items at thedvdwars.com but DaveBG actually thinks the HD-DVD add on is at the 100000 sales ranking.

If he actually did his homework and checked, he would see it's at #70 sales rankings.

Poor kid wet his pants because they reset a bunch of counters on the site due to additions made to available Blu_Ray movies. The fact that you are checking it every day makes me laugh, you are the one who always says it's wrong. But as soon as there is an error of some kind, you are in here posting like a giddy school girl. The fact that you are in here trying to rub it in my face with that hyperactive, ridiculous post is hilarious.

All you have to do is go to Amazon yourself to check the sales rankings of any given item. It will take a day or so for all of the resets to download and calculate the day by day activities.

That post is classic though, I've never seen someone get so excited over something so unimportant.

You sir are a clown. You have huge issues with Blu-Ray, then again so does everyone who bought a BD player.

Nice try though, you just ended up looking dumber than usual.

Here are the actual sales ranking direct from Amazon for the top three players for each format. The numbers on thedvdwars didnt jive with the actual numbers on Amazon so I went and got them myself.

The funny part is thedvdwars showed a BD player way higher than it's actual rankings on Amazon, so you are right, the site is wrong, but not in your favor.

I don't know why you keep pushing me to post facts and make you look like a complete idiot, Dave.

Xbox 360 HD DVD Player - #70

Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD Player - #1,972

Toshiba HD-XA1 HD-DVD Player - #2,092

Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Disc Player - #4,281

Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc Player - #8,866

Philips BDP9000 Blu-Ray Disc Player - #32,014

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com
www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com

*sigh*

Update: Just in cast Dave tries to delete or edit that post, I will put it below in it's entirety.

"Hollywood__, whats up buddy.
Check out your favorite site!
They removed 20-30 Blu-ray media and players!
Now if that is fine with you too i will LOL big this time!!!
This site is full of crap!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.thedvdwars.com/AllHDDVDs.cfm

Wait, wait, wait!
What is this? :

Xbox 360 HD DVD Player
Sales rank: 100000

LOLOLOLOLOL

Hahahah:

"OPPO DV-970HD Up-Converting Universal DVD Player"
YEAH! Go for it Hollywood! Buy the OPPO DV-970HD HD DVD player. You will make my day!
AHHAHA!"

Issues, man........issues.

Lol lets see if o Davey replys to that one!!! ROFL!!!

But I do truly feel sorry for Mark and Dave because they are both obviously in very harsh denial.

I couldn't help it, I was just going to ignore that ridiculous post all together.

Being the person that I am and the fact that "tone it down" doesn't exist in my vocabulary, I just had to flame that inferior ape.

You are an IDIOT!
The site owners are excusing for lying and you are fine with that?
Why i should do any homework dork? What about the fooled people and the FUD and lies you spread?

"I realized, after looking/searching on Amazon, that my site was missing quite a few blu-ray titles. I made an update, and now the number of buyable blu-ray titles is very close to the number of buyable hd-dvd titles."

Well well well they missed "some" 50 titles?
ON no problem!

No one believes your site anymore and everyone know that you are a clown.

The errors on the site are still there and you are ignoring them! LOL

Everything you have posted is canceled now. Everything you say was based on a error! Good luck.
The whole HD DVD format is a huge ERROR!

There are still lots of missing stuff. The Blu-ray section was wiped out. The data is incorrect. When will that be fixed? I know when. When fools and trolls like you gets it!

The fact that the numbers on thedvdwars are messed up doesn't change the facts, nor does it discredit anything that Hollywood has said. You need to learn a bit about logic and then use some when you debate...

And what 50 titles are missing?

Yes, you are right DaveBG, I have no idea what I am talking about. Amazon is in on this too. I know everyone is out to get you and Blu_Ray.

Get over it and come back to me when BD is "blowing away" HD-DVD like you and Marky said it would.

You should also relax, those posts are going to give you a heart attack. All of the "yelling" you are doing is not good for your mental health. Take a deep breath, relax, and come up with some real arguments.

It sure looks like 99% percent of the people in here agree with my posts because they are based on something called facts. You keep posting the same crazy, unsubstantiated garbage.

I'm not the one who put HD-DVD way ahead in sales over Blu_ray, I'm just pointing out the fact that it's happening and getting worse for BD.

You cant seem to stop obsessing over www.thedvdwars.com and www.gamesystemwars.com let alone www.nexgenwars.com and www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com

But that is your problem, I'm not the one plugging HD-DVD vs Blu_ray fact sites by putting links in my posts.

As a matter of fact, I've never put a link to www.thedvdwars.com or www.gamesystemwars.com let alone www.nexgenwars.com or www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com in any of my posts.

*this may push him over the edge*

"*this may push him over the edge*"

Lol I think you are right. Whenever Blue-Ray likely goes down I think we are gonna haft to get counseling set up for Dave to help him through the pain. Its ok Dave. It can be difficult to let go sometimes, but we will get you through this.

It is best for your health if you just stay away from the computer because Hollywood is going to rip you to shreads everytime you touch that keyboard lol. You want to know why? Because he's right.

WOW..... That's all I can say is WOW. There's a lot of crazies out there. I didn't know an addition to Sony (or any company for that matter) could be that bad. It's hard to tell though who's more addicted, Mark or Dave. Whenever I think one is worse, the other one comes and proves me wrong.

Mark,

I have to ask. Are you the same Mark posting comments over on thedvdwars about how one sided it looks for HD-DVD?

If that is you, I have never seen such desperation from a Sony employee.

Blu-ray is approaching 200GB while hd dvd is ~30GB.
http://www.tdk-europe.com/en/bluray/diezukunft.php

Fun!

Thats very good news for the PC realm.

you don't think file size will effect movie quality?
higher res. = larger files

Lets not put the horse before the cart. They are at 100 and 200 is a possibility in the future.

Either way - I think this is awesome for data storage. I still don't think it will necessarily matter in movie watching at home.

And in the pc realm, there are other things not so far down the road that will likely surpass this anyway.

I have to see it to believe it. Because so far everything looks great on 30 gigs. And 25 gigs for the blu-ray side (50 gig disks is 25 gigs of extras, not movie it self.)

High res + bad broadcast = crap quality
High res + bad encode = crap quality

It doesn't really matter what the size is, the encoding process and the broadcast quality do.

Thats ok the movies still look the same no matter how much space you get.

Fun!

Actually, there is a video of a guy who just got a ps3 and it failed in 3 hrs...and do you need to be reminded quality is not sony's strongpoint...shall we look at ps2 and the famous disk read errors or how about ps1's fix by flipping it over to get it to work longer because of the cheap hardware which was consequently used in the ps2.

What makes you think the ps3 is going to be perfect especially since it is using brand new tech?

The xbox 360 failure rate was 3% not 15% (I could be wrong) but then again xbox admitted their mistakes and didnt try charging someone.

Even if they bought it elsewhere even though it was never opened and brand new.

I think the ps3 has the potential to be great (but it has been stated it will take years before the potential of the cell processor will be realized, by then everyone could have moved on and Sony sealed its fate)

The problem is its price, programming for it is a b****, and customer support for Sony is a joke.

I think it is cool that you can switch out the hd (which is a nice feature) but as of now there is not many games that are new/ exclusive.

They are built off another console or sequels, but its still early yet only time will tell. I don't know anyone who is buying a blu ray player because its too expensive and the quality when compared to hd-dvd is not mind blowing or overall that impressive especially when compared in price.

just for fun...I found this amusing

http://www.smashmyps3.com/

a fair review and mention of the xbox360

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/747/747413p1.html

"Actually, there is a video of a guy who just got a ps3 and it failed in 3 hrs...and do you need to be reminded quality is not sony's strongpoint...shall we look at ps2 and the famous disk read errors or how about ps1's fix by flipping it over to get it to work longer because of the cheap hardware which was consequently used in the ps2."

These are all small scale problems, let's not forget Playstation outsold the original XBox by a factor of 20 times. Of course there will be failures. There are also MANY more that have never failed. posts about "Disc Read Errors" are from desperate xbox fanboys. If you want to talk about failures, lets talk about "The Red Ring of Death". many more of these as a percentage. 15% of all units...

Most of the red ring of death comes from a modded box as well...

"Playstation outsold the original XBox by a factor of 20 times"
Your conviniently forgeting that PS2 came out a year before xbox. Now its the other way around.

"The Red Ring of Death"
I'll be honest, I got the rings of death also. But guess what, unlike $ony who is currently not covering warranty on items bought on ebay. Microsft took care of me in a speedy fasion, and I got a new 360 in 1.5 weeks.

Guess what. My system was even firmware hacked. With the warranty seal more than obviously broken, and they STILL replaced it because they fully knew that the issue wasnt the firmware hack.

To me thats service you cant deny. Miscrosoft takes care of its customers, and I think thats saying a lot.

No, from what I researched online at the time mine went out. The only real reason I found was that it happened when running on 1080 resolution, or HD. I guess since the 360 processes more at that high resolution it went buggy. There were some hot airgun tricks to try to fix it, I never tried it though because microsoft accepted and returned me a new box.

How do you know 15% of units got this "Red Ring of Death"? Do you have a "credible" source? Somehow I seriously doubt you do. There you go assumeing again. When in reality you have no idea what percentage it is.

DaveBG,

You are a self admitted non Blu-Ray owner. That means you have to shut up and actually put your money (you don't have) where your huge mouth is and back the format you think is so great.

You are the type of person who complains about George Bush but never took the time to vote. Therefore you don't get to whine about one format or the other.

I am probably the only person in here who owns a BD "player" and hates the format, the complany who's pushing it and everything Blu_Ray is about.

I know HD-DVD is better, I've seen them side by side at CEDIA, the joke of the event was the Blu-Ray display and the non-working PS3 at the Sony booth.

Until then, I hadn't seen either format in person so I had no idea what the differences were. Like everyone says in here, Blu-Ray tends to look very grainy with a lot of artifacts.

HD-DVD blew me away. The people at the Toshiba booth took us around and actually explained the differences, they also gave us a Toshiba HD-DVD demo disc, which they don't normally give out.

As soon as we mentioned HD-DVD at the Sony booth, they turned into a couple of Mark and Dave's. They got all defensive and tried to make us feel stupid for even asking about it.

We commented on the grainyness of the picture, they blamed it on the player and said it would get better. The usual from Soon.....Only Not Yet. Although the banners all over thier display said "Superior to HD-DVD". It was a complete joke.

This is why I am such a huge fan of HD-DVD, the picture IS better, the movies are selling 10 to 1 over BD. The best part is, people who actually care about picture and sound are telling people who don't know about the new formats that BD is a joke.

People usually listen to other people who know more than they do about electronics. My own brother-in-law asked about Blu_Ray at the dinner table at Thanksgiving because he was at Best Buy, and he saw a movie he liked in the BD / HD-DVD section.

When he asked the salesman, the blue s***s told him that HD-DVD simply isn't selling and to invest in a BD player. He suspected the guy was full of crap and asked me during dinner, with 20 people at the table.

When I started to explain the differences and why HD-DVD was better, and also the sales numbers are exactly the opposite what the idiot at Best Buy said because they get a spiff for every BD player sold. It seemed like everybody was listening to what I had to say.

He said he would go back to the store to talk to the manager about why the salesman didn't recommend the cheaper player with better picture and more titles.

So please go buy a BD player and then you can say anything you want. You are the worst kind of fanboy, most of them actually OWN the equipment they love so much.

In the meantime, check these sites out Dave

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

Let me know what you think of factual sales sites and not BD propaganda and promo.

Maybe Santa will bring you a BD player for Christmas, it's not like they are hard to find. There are plenty open box returns around here.

"When he asked the salesman, the blue s***s told him that HD-DVD simply isn't selling and to invest in a BD player. He suspected the guy was full of crap and asked me during dinner, with 20 people at the table."

The salesguy probably was correct. In their stores, HD-DVD is probably selling slow due to their ridiculous prices. I'll never buy an HD-DVD from them again. Its amazon.com all the way.

But, where he was wrong is that HD-DVD IS selling - just maybe not in stores that like to rip off their customers.

Dont' buy from Amazon. The sales rankings will go up for HD-DVD and you will be able to see the facts at www.thedvdwars.com then Mark/Dave will say it's a conspiracy that goes up to the highest levels of our government.

Dave knows President Bush is purposely trying to bury BD because his daughters boyfreind's fathers uncles nephew has a huge block of Toshiba stock. But's it's all going to change now that the democrats run the house.

"It's all lies......those sales facts on Amazon, that you can see at www.thedvdwars.com " ...he'll say.

www.nexgenwars.com and www.gamesystemwars.com are wrong too, it's ALL LIES.

I'm only speculating, but I think Dave would say something like that, and include those links too.

Both will look the same, as both support H.264 also known as MPEG4 part 10 or MPEG4 AVC1 codec, its only matter of equipment and space on disc (BR have some lead here). They also support MPEG2 so it could be possible you've seen MPEG2 on BR and H.264 on HD-DVD... Later there will be realy no difference as all movies will be in newer codec, maybe if they use spare space on BR they can get better quality then HD-DVD, but i doubt as H264 is already quite space efficient with high resolutions (comparing with MPEG2).

Probably..

Maybe he'd add that Amazon.com is limiting only 50 sales of bluray discs per day.

I can definetely understand how people can be skeptical of www.thedvdwars.com and the results shown, but for it to not be somewhat realistic, we'd have to assume that bluray owners are less aware of amazon than HD-DVD owners.

I guess if thats the case, then HD-DVD owners are just a smarter bunch ;)

You are a clown and everyone knows it now!

Here:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/

Puting out alot of lambs movies doesnt matter...

Id rather own 10 good movies worth watching...than 1000 which are a waste of tme.

Basically im aying the site you posted doesnt mean anything other than some companies release more movies.

Next time post a link worthy of a click, and that will help, not hinder, ur argument.

Latz, SB

Noob, this shows the market share which means that hd dvd is doomed because its support is way behind the Blu-ray support (not counting that it has less as names)!

I am showing actual data while hollywood -> crappy fanboy sites which does not represent the real world situation...

That's great, a link to box office gross reports.

Yes, I'm a clown. But I'm right, and you know it.

"hd dvd is doomed "

Lol, then show sales numbers of both formats.

If HD DVD continues to outsell Blu-ray those studios will begin to support it. This is about making money... they will most assuredly go where the money is.

Oh, before I forget... the link you posted does nothing to prove your point... as usual.

Since you and Mark are in the spirit of posting quotes, I though I would do the same.

"this shows the market share which means that hd dvd is doomed"

Your opinion, again. Wrong, as usual. You need to post some real numbers about Blu_Ray outselling HD-DVD dude. Nothing you have ever posted has backed up your delusional comments.

The desperation is getting pretty bad, you can see it in your latest posts. Your monosyllabic ramblings contain the word "doomed", which is hilarious.

I should thank you for entertaining me. You make this forum fun to come and read.

hollywood is right..whats with blu ray anyways...f**k..gives us the games please !!..honestly am not a ps3 fan ima 360 addict and i hope that ps3 screws up bad its release..i really hate sony !!

"PS3's highest-ranking title in Japan was Ridge Racer 7, coming in at #29." That deserves a gigantic LOL! Beware Microsoft and Xbox fans, here comes Sony with their lackluster sales and hardware shortages. You're all doomed!

Point taken, I cant wait for GT5 in 2008!!

Cheerleading for a video format - whatever it may be - is a waste of time. I mean, what reward does one get from helping huge corporations sell their silly products?

Unless you're working for one of them, that is.

I can't say I've been blown away by the PS3, there are not a lot of good exclusives for this system and I expected a lot more.

The fact that sales are down is directly due the shortage of consoles. Sony is screwing up so badly by hoarding all of the blue laser diodes for the PS3. No one cares about the Blu-Ray "feature" of the PS3. I sure don't.

Here's the usual propaganda for the uninformed potential Blu_Ray customers so they know the format is losing the war.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

It also looks like plague201 and I converted an undecided to HD-DVD simply by pointing out the BD fanboys ridiculous posts.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=blu%20ray%2C+hd-dvd

It shows HD-DVD searchs ahead of Blu-Ray only in San Francisco and Miami, where all the gays hang out... LOL... Perhaps HD-DVD owners buy lots of gay porn...

I wasn't talking about searches, it's all about sales. The numbers are about the same everywhere in the US.

Any retailer who sells both formats will tell you Blu_Ray is simply not selling. HD-DVD is doing much better.

And for the record, I'm NOT an HD-DVD cheerleader! It's just every Sunday a few of us get together and put little skirts on and dance around with these fuzzballs to promote HD-DVD. That, by definition is NOT a cheerleader.

Oh wait, yes it is.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

Searches don't mean a thing. I've probably searched more on bluray than HD-DVD just to find out a bit more about it and see if I could find anything that would make me feel differently about it.

So far.. I haven't found a thing.

for ps3 first year of upcoming games not very much to be impressed with...a ton of sequels (which isnt bad) but nothing really stands out until june -july so at this time ps3 seems a waste...I think overall (so long as sony doesn't go broke from it) the ps3 will move ahead but its going to take time to unlock the full potential and my understanding is the ps3 is no picnic to program

another article about the death of GT-HD...basically the difference is (well now at least) is gt-hd is only available in japan at this time with no word on a nationwide release and its basically a preview of what gt5 will be

http://www.gamespot.com/...5/news.html?sid=6162566

Cute headline, Betanews. Shouldn't it be "New PS3 Shipments Sell Through?"

Ahh, bias.

Even I noticed that, and I pretty much hate Sony.

What's up with the misleading headlines, guys?

What do you expect? Most of them were sold out.

Yay;)

The sales drop is deceptive. As a retailer and a distributor, here is what it looks like.

1. PS3: SYSTEM Sold out at normal price (not enough systems to justify accessories sell out)
2. Wii: SYSTEM+ACCESSORIES Sold out at normal price
3. XBOX 360: Plenty of stock available. People who want PS3 or Wii might buy a 360 system only because their preferred choice is sold out and will get whatever is available. All sorts of Accessories sales is increased now because there is a large installed base. Customize your xbox 360 with CASE+CONTROLLER mods :)

Real battle will be in mid-late 2007 when the supply issue is solved. A year ago, XBOX 360 system availability was similar to PS3. Came march+April 2006 and systems started being available. So in the meantime, enjoy what you have.

I was surprised I couldn't find Wii accessories ANYWHERE, much less a system. I still need to get one.

Wow, HD DVD is in its second generation, and Sony can't even produce a single BD player .. real funny. I guess BD is slow to the market because Sony is holding all the components for PS3s that seem to be unavailable.

For anyone to suggest a 49% drop is not bad, you know nothing at all, and you are fanboys!

Go ahead put your money on the table. Get an hd dvd player, no get several hd dvd players!

In this world people are learning things and then they have exams. When they fail the exam they do the lesson again.

I recommend all (so desperate) hd dvd fanboys to invest their money in hd dvd! Why are you trying to make other people like hd dvd too?
Are you afraid of something???

Dave,

Is it possible for you so say one good thing about HD-DVD? Like the picture quality is better.

I know you know this because you have made post with excuses for why the BD is so grainy. First is was the player, then the encoding, then the player, then a firmware update, then the software, then the player.

Give it up, the public has made it's choice. Amazon is SOLD OUT of Superman Returns on HD-DVD. That must tell you something.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com
www.nexgenwars.com

"Give it up, the public has made it's choice. Amazon is SOLD OUT of Superman Returns on HD-DVD. That must tell you something."

It doesn't tell you anything. I am completely sold out of my magic pet rocks. That must mean they are the best things ever.

Actualy it does tell you something about it. I went looking for superman in hddvd thursday at all the local retailers that carry hddvd/blue-ray and the only thing they all had in common was they all had the blue-ray version and sold out of the hddvd one. So I still cant see it in hddvd :( But I did ask at a few of the places and they told me they had more copies of the hddd in thier shipments than blueray. So draw what conclusions you have and realized they all hald bluerays sitting there while hddvd was sold out. (not just on amazon)

Your right, my post did sound pro HD-DVD. Truth is, I don't own either, and don't plan on either any time soon (I have an HD recorder and verizon fios, so I get all my HD movies from the pay channels).

What I should have said was that the "slam-dunk" for BD is not that at all. Its the BD people that have pee'd me off, since you all think there isn't even competition. Plus I do hate Sony.

"Like the picture quality is better."

You mean WAS better.
Current Blu-ray player are better than the Toshiba player and deliver better quality and you know that but you spread fun...

The best HD player is Panasonic now, which is a Blu-ray player

I bought HD-DVD player. I buy movies, unlike you and MArky who I highly doubt have blu-ray players.

My ass, "was better" I just went to bestbuy last week and saw some new music video concert, grainy as hell. I wouldve gone the blu-ray route if I actually thought a grainy picture was worth spending $500 more dollars.

"Current Blu-ray player are better than the Toshiba player"... Um, so wheres your PROOF? Or is this simply fanboy speculation again?

Sorry. Replied to wrong post.

Hollywood__ : HD-DVD
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(Mark Gillespie : Sony) x 2

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Nevermind. I just read some of Mark's posts below. I take it all back. In spades.

You look pretty darn sensible now. Incredible.

Sheesh... fanboys are so annoying.

Bla bla bla, and where is your PROOF that it is not FUDster???

I'm confused is this what your looking for?
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm
http://www.gamesystemwars.com/index.cfm
http://www.nexgenwars.com/
http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Su...ns-HD-DVD/dp/B000JVT092

You didn't get it again. I was looking for:

http://foxbd.com/
http://www.disneybluray.com/
http://www.playb3yond.com/
http://forum.blu-ray.com/
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/
http://www.learningcente...s/hpd/bluray/index.html

I thought we were talking sales numbers? Those sites are just promoting bluray. Where are the numbers?

Lets try this again. It appears your pride and joy doesnt even do its job right...

http://loot-ninja.com/2006/11/19/ps3-hd-scaling-issues-other-annoyances/

AS for the concert blu-ray I saw , I found it
http://bluray.highdefdig...com/u2rattleandhum.html
REad about the grain and shut it.

"I recommend all (so desperate) hd dvd fanboys to invest their money in hd dvd! Why are you trying to make other people like hd dvd too?
Are you afraid of something???"

Why do you and Mark try to make people like Sony so much? Are you afraid of something?

"I thought we were talking sales numbers? Those sites are just promoting bluray. Where are the numbers?"

No you can't post those. They do not make BD look like the god of all formats!!! Quickly edit your post and delete the links before somebody sees them!!!! /sarcasm off

I can make a better sites to show that Blu-ray wins. These are too lame.
Also @ tvdwars all i see is that hd dvd is going down where Blu-ray is rising in sales these days. Its a matter of time to pass by hd dvd...

Your correct, I don't have a Blu-Ray player, nor do I have a HD-DVD player, the reasons listed below.

1/ Dedicated Blu-Ray players are still to too expensive.

2/ Dedicated HD-DVD players whilst cheaper are trash, take 3 minutes to boot up, and look ugly as sin.

3/ Xbox360 and HD-DVD is too expensive, and noisy, and looks ugly, bolted on.

4/I don't want to invest in a format that has no real industry backing, like HD-DVD.

PS3 Blu-Ray is what I am waiting for, awesome looking movies when using VC1, enough space for uncompressed audio via HDMI 1.3, 50GB support, whisper silent... Unfortunatly, I have to wait till March, but no big deal, My 4yr old PS2 is still fine.

I am TDK fanboy! TDK is Blu-ray supporter!

I am Phillips supporter.
I am Samsung supporter.
I am Panasonic supporter.
I am Pioneer supporter.
I am LG supporter.
I am 20th Century Fox supporter.
I am ... choose any one!!!

That they only did a limited run of HD-DVD, as it's a dying format?

All junk.

"AS for the concert blu-ray I saw , I found it
http://bluray.highdefdig...com/u2rattleandhum.html
REad about the grain and shut it. "

You are REALLY unbelivable, Rattle and hum is actually WORSE on HD-DVD. Go cry...

Excerpt from the article:

"I am not sure what my expectations were, but I actually think 'Rattle and Hum' looks narrowly better on Blu-ray. But first I'll get my complaints out of the way that apply to both formats. 'Rattle and Hum' is a severely grainy, messy film, and the source material suffers unnecessarily from age and neglect. Dirt is frequent, as are blemishes, and even the vivid lighting of the color portions of the film look fuzzy and smeared. Add to that some pixelization, edge enhancement and inconsistent contrast and sharpness, and you have an image that hardly impresses, regardless of format.

Detail is also predictably wanting on both the Blu-ray and the HD DVD,
"

Seems it's a bad transfer, or the original source material is bad, either way it's worse on HD-DVD than Blu-Ray. LOL...

"3/ Xbox360 and HD-DVD is too expensive, and noisy, and looks ugly, bolted on."

Too expensive? No. You are just using that as an excuse - proof - you will be getting PS3.

Noisy? Yes.. a little. But the HD-DVD player is actually quieter than playing off the internal DVD. I've also heard newer 360's are quieter. Never bothered me though.

Ugly? Personal opinion. I think mine looks just fine sitting next to my 360.

And in regards to industry backing - You certainly have a valid point there - bluray has more backing right now, but we'll see how long that holds up.

Have fun waiting. Many of us are enjoying all HD has to offer TODAY.

"1/ Dedicated Blu-Ray players are still to too expensive."
And will remain so, HD-DVD players will always be inexpecive compared to blu-ray

"2/ Dedicated HD-DVD players whilst cheaper are trash, take 3 minutes to boot up, and look ugly as sin."
Way off, I know the first players had 45 sec max load times.

"3/ Xbox360 and HD-DVD is too expensive, and noisy, and looks ugly, bolted on."
At $200 I can afford HD-DVD to lose, unlike the base PS3 model for $500. No noise here, dont know where you get that information being that you DONT own a 360.

"4/I don't want to invest in a format that has no real industry backing, like HD-DVD."
SO then why are there more HD-DVD titles than there are blu-ray?

"enough space for uncompressed audio via HDMI 1.3"
Havent you heard? Sony is ripping off HD-DVD and starting to use True-HD sound.

Dont you think that since blu-ray had more time on it, and since blu-ray is king, that they wouldve fixed it?

"I can make a better sites to show that Blu-ray wins."

Well let us know when you accomplish this.

hey hey LG made some nice crt monitors back in the late 90's

Your ignorance is unbelivable, If the information is not in the SOURCE material, then you can not add it.

I suppose you also believe DVD upscaling looks better...

I guess the real question is why is Best buy still using grainy blu-ray material for their displays. Arent they trying to sell the product?

Heh! If anything they're both dying, because rather than come to an agreement, they decided that it would be better to keep the formats separate and thereby take half or more of the other format's market. Because of that, I can GUARANTEE that people would be buying the new movie format this Christmas if it weren't for the confusion as to which format will stick. Heck I may have even purchased the new "Blu-HDDVD" this year if that had happened.

You would buy an inferior product based on outside appearance?

How shallow.

I would expect as much from you, that pretty much explains it all.

plague,

I think he's been toiling on it night and day.

"I am TDK fanboy! TDK is Blu-ray supporter!"

Only because it supports Blu-Ray. You wouldn't be a TDK fanboy if it supported HD-DVD instead.

lol...lol.

funniest "news" i have heard ever... Sony cant deliver 80k units to Japan per week, no chance... Initial units were built up and then sold.

the fact that they are delivering 30k per week in Japan is showing that they are raising the production...

IF microsoft gets square enix by some bizarre circumstance count me in for an xbox (though, highly unlikely since square is a japanese company and microsoft is american)

square could always go to nintendo though..

oh good point the only problem is the wii I don't believe could handle the graphics for final fantasy 13 but I could be wrong.

FF 13?!!?!?! When is this final fantasy going to finally end and be done with it :P

it IS quite a long fantasy maybe should consider changing it to to neverending fantasy rather then final as final seems far and away

1) It's late.

2) It's horribly overpriced.

3) It's a Sony.

Three strikes yer out.

Makes the Xbox and the addon more desirable. Especially since with the correct driver shove it on the PC.

Hmmmmmmm

Not true, you need the encryption key, and software to play HD-DVD on PC with Xbox add-on.

That's what he ment. Whatever kind of software you need to use it on the computer.

How the hell could the sale go down 49% when retailers have sold out of PS3's??? Should've the sale be at 100% instead???

The number of units sold is down by 49%

Kinda simple:

They Didn't Get That Many To Sell.

Especially when compared to the dark horse sleeper blockbuster that is the Wii.

It's hard to say sales have dropped 49% when the thing has hardly been out for 2 weeks.

This article was posted to spark a flame war; nothing less.

The fact of the matter remains that PS3 has significantly hurt their sales by the fact that they have not been able to manufacture the console. I think PS3 will be a far and away third place in this battle because of price and the initial unavailability of the system. My prediction (an obvious one at that): PS3 will be unsuccessful and Blu-Ray will go the way of Betamax.

http://search.ebay.com/s...rom=R40&satitle=ps3

looks like people are starting to wise up and anyone spending over 1,000 if you notice have a feedback of (1) so not likely to pay...some of them are decently priced I saw one for $895 with two games an extra controller and I think the blue ray movie

This acticle is meaningless. This does nothing except publicity for Enterbrain. PS3 is under supply as of this moment. If there is any availability, it will get snag in a heart beat. Want proof? Just check on ebay.

I'm not sure about the wording of this article. I think sales falling by 49% is really misleading although technically true. I agree with Drumcat and Joey Deacon and call FUD

I made a small writeup about this at http://www.ps3mistakes.com

Yeah your right. But I'm with Hollywood on the blu-ray sales issue. The PS3 hasnt made a dent in blu-ray sales, contrary to expectations. And if it has I'd like to see some PROOF (Marky)

Just checked Amazon, Superman returns is sold out for HD-DVD and still available for blu-ray, LOL

http://www.amazon.com/Su...ns-HD-DVD/dp/B000JVT092
http://www.amazon.com/Su...s-Blu-ray/dp/B000JVT09C

Did you actually think a few hundred thousand consoles many of which are still in boxes due to them being presents or sold on Ebay to have much of an effect. Wait a year or two, then you might be able to make a better conclusion.

Like every other fanboy in here, your basing it all on speculation.

What a shame. It looks like no one cares about Blu_Ray or the PS3 anymore. It was a hot item for about two weeks.

The people who were on here spouting "Blu-Ray will have 500,000 players on the street by Christmas and BD will take over the market" were so wrong it makes me laugh. They obviously have no idea what goes on in the real gaming world.

If anything, HD-DVD movie sales are getting stronger and BD is slipping further and further down the sales rankings.

The mountains of silver PS2's that Sony thought everyone would buy because the PS3's fell short of promised deliveries are piling up at the stores. They can't give them away.

I can't wait to see DaveBG (who had me banned from the Blu-Ray forum because I won't agree with everyone else) and Marky's replies.

I would like one of them to explain why the PS3 didn't put a dent in BD movie sales since they were so sure HD-DVD would get killed by the PS3 release.

I own a PS3 and I haven't (and will never) buy a BD movie.

Here are some nice links

www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com
www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

Heres me kicking a crippled dog.

http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm
http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1
http://digitalbattle.com...0/video-ps3-overheating

Now don't go on weeping Marky.

plague, you crack me up.

I've read those articles entirely, and they more than assure me that I made the right decision in consoles. I'm still going to get a PS3, but next year. Even then its going to be only for exclusive titles like Gran Turismo HD, not the grainy blu-ray movies.

Did you hear that Gran Turismo HD got cancelled?
(http://www.joystiq.com/2...e-as-focus-s***s-to-gt5/)

It is going to be a long wait for GT5... and in the meantime Forza 2 will be out on the 360. Not to mention the new wireless racing wheel (if you're hardcore) that is getting great reviews... personally, I think Sony is going to be selling a lot fewer consoles based on the GT series than the did with PS and PS2.

I'll look into GT5. If it did get canceled then I'm out, nothing worth spending my money on.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740614p1.html

Seems like its coming out in Japan this month though. So I'll wait and see.

Update: I'm confused whats the difference with GT-HD and GT5?

http://ps3.ign.com/objects/857/857126.html

What a load of crap... 2008 release...
Thanks $ony.

http://www.joystiq.com/2...-without-cars-or-tracks/
If this is true, getting charged $408 for the complete game, then all I have to say is good luck $ony, and Fu#k you.

Guess its Forza 2 for me.

Hollywood__ - BD didn't put a dent in sales, god your're a moron. since the PS3 and HD-DVD drives release, both formats are selling extremely well now. And now that the PS3 is out, BD sales will only get bigger and stronger, not to mention more BD players out there.

REPOST: Evidently people cant scroll up.

"Yeah your right. But I'm with Hollywood on the blu-ray sales issue. The PS3 hasnt made a dent in blu-ray sales, contrary to expectations. And if it has I'd like to see some PROOF (Marky & kknight1974)

Just checked Amazon, Superman returns is sold out for HD-DVD and still available for blu-ray, LOL

http://www.amazon.com/Su...ns-HD-DVD/dp/B000JVT092
http://www.amazon.com/Su...s-Blu-ray/dp/B000JVT09C
"

Key word is PROOF.

dude that doesn't mean crap, give it some time. wait until more PS3s are sold.

My statements hold ground. I'm basing them on FACT. You on the contrary on speculation. Either way, PROVE me wrong.

Wait, you are comparing sales based on what is sold out and what is not? How does that work? How do you know how many units shipped?

Consdiring amount of PS3 in existence, Sony already has 3x-4x more BD players on the market than HD-DVD.

Not only that, but quality of PS3 as BD player is very high, and is rated better than Panasonic, Samsung or Pioneer standalone BD players, by hi-def mags, when it comes to image quality.

Considering overwhelmingly positive feedback in hi-def community when it comes to PS3 and media playback, HD-DVD has little chance to succeed.

I'm not saying your wrong, but everything you said seems like speculation. There needs to be links to back up those statements.

Also everybody that buy's an HD-DVD player will play movies on it, but not everybody that buy's a PS3 will (for example Hollywood). So for me using the PS3 as a Blue-Ray player isn't 100% accurate to me.

:-O

I feel bad for Sony fanboy's if they did cancel it.

"Just checked Amazon, Superman returns is sold out for HD-DVD and still available for blu-ray, LOL"

Awwww, someone really needs to go buy you some girlscout cookies.

Don't be mad. Im simply PROVING that blu-ray is getting a pummeling. The truth hurt that much?

"Consdiring amount of PS3 in existence, Sony already has 3x-4x more BD players on the market than HD-DVD."

So um, why aren't new releases outselling HD-DVD? Read a few post here. It looks like its hard to get a copy of SUperman Returns even when you walk into a store, while blu-ray version is easily available.

Like every other fanboy, your all speculation. Please stop. Give me numbers, an article, something.

I feel sorry for me, this game was the only reason I was gonna buy a PS3. Now I'm debating the purchase. The game isn't entirely going to be canceled, looks more like just postponed a whole year and being renamed GT5.

plague,

If you do the math, there would have to be ten times as many dedicated Blu-Ray players as there are HD-DVD players just to catch up.

Since the PS3 is not a dedicated player, the numbers aren't changing. There are a whole lot of HD-DVD add on's out there. Which apparently only you and I kknow will be used for one purpose only. Watching crisp, clear, non grainy HD-DVD movies.

This whole thing backfired for Sony, they just can't admit it. The HD-DVD add on to an established console was genius.

I am getting so tired of asking these two apes to prove the numbers that are up for everyone to see are wrong. All they keep doing is posting the same BD promo sites and some eggheads opinion of the BD vs. HD-DVD war that was posted months before Blu_Ray even had a crippled player to offer.

The difference between people like us and DaveBG and Mark is we don't take this all that serious. HD-DVD could tank tomorrow and I wouldnt care. These two sit up all night thinking how they can spread the word about BD and pat each other on the back in the official Blu_Ray forum.

Which by the way, you will get banned for posting anything pro HD-DVD. Sony runs that little forum like a communist newspaper. If you search Blu_Ray on Google, the forum shows up in the number two or three spot, so when you go there, all you see is pro BD posts.

And it still doesn't help.

Sad.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
www.nexgenwars.com

"we don't take this all that serious. HD-DVD could tank tomorrow and I wouldnt care. "

Definitely true, like I've mentioned before. I can afford to lose $200. Eitherway I am enjoying my toys right now. And if the format fails I still have a kick a** system with great games (Gears of war).

I'm just glad knowing I did buy based on quality, and not propaganda. I know HD-DVD is better, because I've compared and researched both formats before I picked a side. Unlike Marky and Marky Jr who simply assume blu-ray s better because its $ony.

The only problem i have is that Logitech G25 won't be working with xbox360, and thats Microsoft fault, as i know from Logitech guy. MS want to make money on they own wheel, which isn't in half as good as G25... Bye, bye forza 2, i'll be playing on PC and then maybe on PS3 & GT5, we'll see how good it will be. I'm not crying GT HD was cancelled as it was nothing new, except some updated graphics and thats all. If you want something new, try sims from this website http://en.wikipedia.org/...on_of_racing_simulators

Your upset with froza 2 over a stearing wheel?

i'm not upset with forza 2 but rather with microsoft move and because wheel is part of experience, and i don't want to play with analog pad or some cheap kids toy wheel. read more on G25 and then we can talk, i have driving force pro right now and its still better then this x360 wheel you were talking about, but i'll be going for g25 as its almost perfect have h six gear s***er, 3 pedals (yahoo clutch :D) and realy good metal wheel with 900 degrees of rotation and two FFB motors.

PS. Here you got movie of this wheel http://www.hardware.info..._G25_racestuur_Review/6

"x360 wheel you were talking about"
I never mentioned any wheels

Either way, I've never used a wheel, while I'm sure it make sthe game better. I'm not an avid fan to the point where I wont consider a games over not being able to use my favorite piece of hardware.

The only seperate piece of hardware I've ever used is a joystick for flight sims.

yes sorry that was mocha, sure you haven't mentioned it so ok no problem here.

i'm not against a game, but in fact microsoft wanted to make their own wheel so logitech couldn't make G25 compatible with xbox360, and thats shame because it would be sweet combo with FORZA 2, also i don't see any wheel for x360 that could even remotely compete with logitech older wheel DFP (for PS2 & PC) nor G25 now. Good review of G25 with videos here http://www.simhq.com/

Isn't this just a case of dodgy by Betanews?

Of course sales will fall, as shipments have fallen, and demand is still outstripping supply.

It's not diffucult to work out.

Sony have been stock piling PS3's for weeks, if not months, so the initial shipment was always going to be bigger than the 2 weekly top up shipments, and people can only buy what's on the shelves... Therefore, it's OBVIOUS to even a moron, that sales will drop...

The sooner Betanews start getting back onto real news, rather than tripe like this, the better. They are becoming WORSE than The Inquirer, and I never thought that was possible. Perhaps Microsoft are funding them, and this is best anti-Sony spin they can find this week...

My post was just to drive the fanboys crazy.

Bingo. I have to agree; they are peddling lots of FUD lately.

"My post was just to drive the fanboys crazy."

Or your just a rabid HD-DVD fanboy yourself, and saw the headline and jumped in, before putting your brain in gear..

Actually, I haven't bought an HD-DVD yet. I own a BD "player".

I can't really be called an HD-DVD fanboy. I have however ordered a few combo movies already, this way I can watch movies like Miami Vice etc... on my standard DVD until I figure out which HD-DVD route to take.

More than likely, the 360/add-on.

There are a couple people that take this BD / Sony thing so seriously, you can actually feel the frustration and anger in their posts.

Everything with them is pro-Sony / anti M$, they cant actually admit that HD-DVD is the better selling format, every story that says BD is lagging way behind is some sort of Toshiba backed conspiracy theory.

I am only looking at the facts and commenting on them, if HD-DVD tanks and Blu-Ray is the only game in town, then it's time to buy some BD movies. It actually doesn't make sense that HD-DVD is doing better, BD movie sales should have risen dramatically after the PS3 release if Sony was right about people wanting to use it as a movie player.

It just hasn't happened. So far, the most popular BD movie is the one they gave away with the PS3.

Unlike Marky who I know wont get a blu-ray 'player' until March, I'm sticking to what I say and bought the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. And I'm very satisfied and can say that I'm presonally adding to the HD-DVD sales values. That is until I find a way to backup these disks.

I think what sony failed to realize were all the people who used their ps2 as a dvd player (anyone that has a ps2 knows what I am talking about - disk read error anyone?) Microsoft did the smart thing by making the hd-dvd seperate that way you aren't forced into using a format you don't want to and you don't have to worry if the movies for example wear the machine down

http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm

Read the last bit about HD content. Straight up justifies your statements.

DVD was already established when the PS2 came out, I used (one of) mine as a DVD player a few times but the picture quality was terrible.

The difference is most people haven't heard of Blu-Ray and the PS3 is supposed to push the format? It's a** backwards.

Just like the PSP and the UMD. Stores are starting to take the displays down and there is dust on the movies.

Sony and SACD, Sony and Memory Stick, Sony and MD, Sony and DAT (Yeah, I looked it up, they had a hand in it).

You are right about the wear and tear on the 360's drive. And worse case, if the HD-DVD ever took a crap, you could just send the unit in and keep playing your games.

When the BD drive on the PS3 takes a crap, the whole thing has to go back.

considering they are mac fans, it makes you wonder... I guess my enemies, enemy is my enemy? lol :-)

Could have bought one today, if I wanted, they had a new shipment here in Taipei at the IT Month show, but I didn't fancy the region coding on BD/DVD movies, so left it. I did have a good play with Ridge Racer 7, and Gran Turismo HD, both of which looked and played REALLY well on the HD TV's demo sets.

Gran Turismo HD will be a FREE download from next month on Playstation Network, a 1080p game, for free.. Go suck on that Microsoft fanboys..

I am quite happt to wait until March 07, initial bugs will be ironed out, and more games available. Why would anyone bother with 2nd best(unless they can afford both), last years news, the ex-box360?

Sounds like a quote from BladeII

They actually delayed the PS3. It was supposed to come out the same time as the "ex-box360". But they pushed the release date back a year. My opinion is because Sony though that if you looked at both the Xbox 360 and PS3 and saw that they where both basically the same (basically same graphics and same games) that no one would spend $200 more for the PS3. But not only the ex-box 360 $200 cheaper, it has more games available, cheaper games (while most PS3 games are $59), better and established online, quicker loading times, now also supports 1080p, and and as I said they both basically have the same games... so why wouldn't you get the 360?

Oh, and Microsoft is also going to let people beta test Halo 3 for free too. So go suck on that Mark, er, Sony fanboys.

"Why would anyone bother with 2nd best(unless they can afford both),"

Why would anyone bother 3rd best? :-) Technically the sales say the 360 has sold the most, Wii second and PS3 last.

"Gran Turismo HD will be a FREE"
http://www.joystiq.com/2...-without-cars-or-tracks
Not free by a long shot.
Go suck on that Sony fanboy..

As for Rigde Racer
http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens
Yeah suck on that long one too. Looks better on my 360, and thats at 720 resolution and an older version of the game.

"initial bugs will be ironed out"
Didn't you know? Sony doesn't rush products, they are perfect. What bugs? :'(
Are we dubbing this the PS2(1/2)? Wont be to muhc of a stretch form xbox180, dont you think?

I think plague and bob said it all lol.

The Xbox 360 has a 7.5million console jump on the PS3 right now Source: http://nexgenwars.com/
So they have a long ways to go if they are even going to get anwhere near the Xbox 360.

I think it is going to be last gen in reverse. PS2 came out first, had more games, and won the console wars. This round the Xbox 360 came out first, has more games and is sitting pretty good right now with almost 8 million consoles sold already.

"Not free by a long shot.
Go suck on that Sony fanboy.."

You seem to pefer the unreliable ramblings of a personal blog like Joystiq, rather than a more reliable site like Slashdot..

Gran Turismo HD Becomes Free Download
http://games.slashdot.or.../06/12/02/1648207.shtml

Your obviously a fool, if you think ANY product with software and hardware can be released without bugs. As it is, there are minimal bugs in PS3, the downscaling issue that affecta 1% of the population, and a few other minor issues...

The Ridge Racer screenshots actually show how basic the XBox360 is. Notice the pix map sea in the XBox360 version? Well that's realtime rendered sea on the PS3, with reflections. How about the reflections in the PS3 winshield? Oh, missing from the Xbox version...

"DVD was already established when the PS2 came out, I used (one of) mine as a DVD player a few times but the picture quality was terrible.
"

Good job the PS3 Blu-Ray player is so good, infact it's been universally stated by reviewers as being better than the Samsung Blu-Ray and Panasonic Blu-Ray, on-par with the Pioneer Blu-Ray, and beating the pants off the Toshiba HD-DVD.

It' also boots up and plays movies a whole 2 minutes quicker than the Toshibs HD-DVD drive!!!

Um Slashdot states exactly what my link did, that the game is free initially.

1%, where you get this number?

MAn, if those screen shots don't convince you. Then nothing will, fully expected from a fan boy though. The 360 versions obviously look better. Your blinded by your hate for the 360 to notice it though.

where has it been stated mark? got a link? or was it you doing the stating?

Look at the water reflections, even a blind person can see the Xbox version is a pixmap, the PS3 version is rendered. BIG DIFFERENCE...

What water reflections? Are you seeing things? Because all I see is a blue strip the picture that is being thought of as water.

I'll take a shot at Sony as quick as the next guy, but this doesn't indicate a lack of demand and really isn't much of a surprise. We knew before launch that there was going to be a problem keeping up...

But there is a lack of demand. The 60gb version can be had on ebay for under 950. Well not necessarily a lack of but a severly diminish demand.

Wow, I saw a PS3 go for $7000, although the average was a max of $3000. But yeah, big difference.

This is because everyone who got the ps3 is rush to ebay for a quick profit. If you remember the price of ps3 on launched day, it was around 3k on ebay, then on the 2nd day, it dropped to about 1.3k or less.

50% profit is still not bad at all.

Someone paid $9,000 and change minutes after they started showing up on eBay.

You would think,the closer it gets to Christmas, the higher the prices but the exact opposite is happening.

I have bought all the Playatation's since they were released including the PS3. I'm going to give some advice if anyone wants it..WAIT DO NOT GET IT YET. I just got mine and was pretty happy about it and so was my kid. We drove to the video store after I picked him up from school and bought some games with great joy thinking we were going to be playing it in the next hour. Wrong, We got it home and guess what it does not work!!!! But it gets worse, I call customer service told them what happened and they told me "ok but it's not covered anymore under warrinty". After gaining my composer I asked why? I was then told they will not warrenty it becouse it was bought off ebay. I argued that a year warrenty is on the console. They rudely told me it was not but for $149.00 and my old console they would be happy to send me a new one. I felt real bad for my kid and was extreemly upset. So to get his mind off it I turned on the XBOX 360 and played it with him. Just a note I also bought the XBOX 360 from ebay and it broke a few weeks after I got it. Microsoft appoligized several times sent me a box to ship it back the next day and had a new one to me in days. That is service and I will always support there producs becouse they do. Sony is looking for a way to save money no matter who it hurts that alone will keep me from ever buying a Sony product ever again.

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That was hard to read, but yeah... there's Sony for you. I don't see what people like Mark and Dave can see in Sony to be that obsessed with them.

Nice one, spread some FUD, that will save your console from going obsolete.

1/ Your a fool for buying from ebay, new shipments of PS3 arrive on a 2 weekly basis, so even if you missed a launch one, with all the press hype, things are much more sensible. Most stores in the US are getting upto 10 units a week, chances are good you will be able to pick one up real soon in retail.

2/Complain that your goverment does not protect consumers, not to Sony. I can't believe there is ANYWHERE is the world, where new good don't have any warranty, and you have to to $150 for one... I believe in the US, everything by law has a 3 month warranty, so you are covered uner that (more likely however, is that you don't actually own a PS3 that's failed, just a Xbox and want to contribute to the rest of the FUD posted here). Move to Europe, we all have a 1 year warranty on new goods...

Mark and Dave's level of allegiance to Sony and BD is borderline obsessive compulsive.

There's not one company on earth that I like enogh where I would be making desperate, assenine, speculative and opinionated comments towards a failing format and gaming system.

Yes, you were lied to, There are all sorts of HDMI issues and if you need to use the HDMI out for video, but need the the digital optical for your receiver, forget it, it doesnt work.

A lot of games that output 720p are scaled down to 480i instead of being upscaled to 1080i when the TV cant accept a 720p signal. Be smart and use the component outputs.

It looks better with the component anyways.

If you are on the fence between the PS3 and 360, get the 360 with the HD-DVD add on. At least you will be able to play HD movies a year from now when Sony execs are committing hari kari over thier latest failure. Not to mention sharper graphics and a real warranty with support.

Sony just wants to stick it in you buying it on eBay. Was the box completely and totally sealed or did the seller open it first?

Was it plugged in?.....just kidding. You can get the number for Sony from Mark, he works there and is part of their newly created position just for the release of the PS3.

His official position is "Purveyor of planting positive spin in bulletin boards for any bad news regarding Sony or Blu_ray, even if the news is factual". DaveBG is simply a Mark wannabe Sony / BD fanboy.

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I think you need to know me before you call me a fool. "I'm not trying to save my console from being obsolete" I really don't care I would just buy the next new thing. Some of us have done well for ourselves and can buy what we want. So it is't supprising that you would find it unlikely that anyone would have one. Becouse you probably don't have enough money to pay attention to what i'm saying never mind a Playstation even at regular price.

P.S I would never live in Europe with all the librals. I love America

Thanks for the info Hollywood but I think it is resolved

Government!? So it's the government's fault because his PS3 failed? Sony created the PS3, someone got it and it didn't work... so your saying that's the government's fault and not Sony's.

Your crazy... I call that an obsetion with Sony. Your worse than what I thought. Your addicted to Sony. Maybe you need to get some rehab.

Though I think if a company makes a product, they should have some kind of warranty on it. And if they don't then that tells me that they don't think it'll work for that long. Case proven here. Unlike Microsoft who will exchanged the 360 for free and even pay shipping for both ways.

I'd have to agree with you though on number 1. Although I think spending $600 is too much though too.

That is horrible. Hell I remember the dreamcast had better support. MY firends dreamcast broke but he didnt have the receit, but since he bought it at release time they let him send it back for replacemtn free of charge, since it was under a years time from launch.

I can see this turning into a legal issue quickly. Because as long as you have a receit it shouldnt matter where you bought it, because it was definitely not opened when you received it.

Dude. Shutup.

Never call someone a liar unless you have proof or, at the very least, a marginally believable reason for suspecting that person is lying. You have neither.

Now, everyone will look at your posts with the same skepticism. You sir, must be lying. No, I don't have anything to back it up. You just are. Have a nice day.

HDMI gives a better picture than component, that's universally accepted by everyone, except those that got stung with non-HDMI sets..

Seems you are bitter, because you don't have the HDReady program in the US to protect consumers. Sets that do 1080i but not 720p? That's just crazy, who bought one of the those?

Here in Europe, all our HD sets are compatible with PS3 HD output, and have high quality HDMI connections are standard (a requirement for HDReady logo).

PS also does HMDI Video and Optical audio just fine, it's in the settings, some idiot did not set the right audio output.

You just seem to hate anything foreign, so you can keep your noisy Xbox, with it's ugly add-on, inferior component connections, and poor reliability, Anyone with any brain can clearly see the PS3 has the equipment to move forwards, the XBox360 is stuck with features being duct taped on....

"(more likely however, is that you don't actually own a PS3 that's failed, just a Xbox and want to contribute to the rest of the FUD posted here)"

Translation: Na na na na PS3s are perfect Na na na na PS3s will never fail Na na na na PS3s will rule the world!!! I want to make love to Sony!!!!

I think it's pretty beliveable this guy is lying, he says he bought a console from ebay, and it's got no warranty, unlikely all good have 3 months minimum. Based on that, it's also unlikely it's failed, and he even bought one in the first place.

Seems alot of people have egg on their face, everyone was saying about how the PS3 will have overheating issues, be unreliable, "disc read errors" etc etc, as it is, nothing has transpired, failures seem to be below expectations, and far below XBox360 launch faiure rates (15%)..

No it goes more like this. The PS3 is the laptop of the console world and the Xbox 360 is the desktop of the console world. The PS3 has everything bundled with it out of the box. But it can not be upgraded. What you see is what you get. The Xbox 360 is more flexible. Want an HD-DVD? Fine get an HD-DVD. Don't want an HD-DVD. Fine save yourself $200. Also if they want to make a bigger HDD sometime down the road all they gotta do is put it on the market you click the small one out and click the bigger one in..Done. It is all a matter of preference. Me personally it doesn't bother me a bit that the HD-DVD is a so called "bolt-on." WHO CARES! Is the world going to come to an end because you haft to plug in a USB cable? Does it take too much effort? Can you not spare another 2 inches?

On the subject of 360 being noisy. I am not going to argue with you there. My 360 is noisy as hell. But they aren't all that way. Also with the new cheap they are coming out in the first part of next year it will be "probably"(notice I am not passing this as fact Mark and DaveBG *cough*) be about in the noise range of the PS3.

My point was: he didn't present a believable reason for why he thought the parent was lying. He just said he was. End of point.

"The PS3 has everything bundled with it out of the box. But it can not be upgraded."

BS. What to upgrade the harddrive in a PS3? Simply fit a standard 2.5in SATA drive, you want a 200GB PS3, no problem. The PS3 handbook even details what HDD you can use, Sony are not blocking that capability...

What to upgrade the 360 HDD? Your outta luck, until Microsoft want to sell you one... Hope you like spending ANOTHER $200 for 100GB HDD, only available at a markup from Microsoft...

If your talking flexability, PS3 is also the way to go, you can install Fedora Core 5 or Yellow Dog Linux (more distros to come), from then, you can use it to browse the web with Firefox, use OpenOffice on your PS3, download stuff with Bittorrent, run MAME and other console emulators..

Don't see Xbox360 doing any of that, I think you can BUY Xbox Live Arcade or something....

I'm lying? I will not even address you guys calling me a lier. But if any of you have a PS3 read the begining of the warranty info. Then post it and we will put an end to this. When it gets posted you will see how Sony said what they said. And that would be, "Sorry can't help you but we can help the person who orginaly bought it" NOT YOU

You know what I will do it myself. This is right out of my handbook that came with my PS3 that I don't have. "Sony Computor Entertainment America ("SCEA') warrents to the ORIGINAL PURCHASER that the PS3 hardware shall be free from material defects in material and workmanship for a period of one year". That is how they screw you they have some real smart lawyers thinking of every possible problem that may come up. That is one they thought of "What happens when someone buys it of eBay". We can get away with fixing it by putting it in the warranty the person will not know untill they buy it. Thats a fact OVER AND OUT

"You just seem to hate anything foreign"
Talk to your fellow Japanese then. They wont buy the 360 even though its better than the PS3. They rather blindly support their national product.

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"BS. What to upgrade the harddrive in a PS3? Simply fit a standard 2.5in SATA drive, you want a 200GB PS3, no problem. The PS3 handbook even details what HDD you can use, Sony are not blocking that capability..."

Ok I am not saying you can't do that. But if that is true then prove it. Show me the article. Also want makes you so sure they aren't going to block that capability?

I have a PC to download Bittorrent's and browse the web on thank you. I don't have any desire what so ever to use my console as a PC. It's kind like the function of watching DVD's on a console. Thats cool and all but how many of us actually use our consoles to watch DVDs whenever we have a perfectly good DVD player for that already?

I don't see your PS3 with movie rentals. What happened to that feature? Can your PS3 message while you are in a game? Does everybody that plays a PS3 online have a mic? Wheres the PS3s killer app that the Xbox 360 doesn't already have? The 360 has Gears of War which puts all the games Sony has to shame.

what if its a gift? does sony screw that person to? because technically the buyer wouldn't be the original purchaser...

No, but I'll bet the person who gave the gift could claim the warranty.

Great question and I said that to Sony. I was told that is not the case we are dealing with.

First post on here but after reading Mark Gillespie's comments just had to reply. I can tell he is a huge Sony fan and he loves the PS3 but from what you described regarding all the things it can do can I ask something, is it meant to be a gamin console or a PC?

If I want all the stuff you mention then wouldn't I be better buying a PC which would totally kick the PS3's ass? The PS3 sounds more and more like a PC and for someone like myself who just wants a games console then what is the point? £425 for a games console thats too expensive, £425 for a sub-standard PC also too much.

Personally I think if you want to buy something that can install Linux, run OpenOffice, downloads with Bittorrent etc then buy a PC if you want a games console then for £425 I don't think I would bother, Sony needs to get a grip this is asking far too much for something that is meant to be for games, I really feel Sony have lost all sense of reality.

"Ok I am not saying you can't do that. But if that is true then prove it. "

It's printed in the handbook that comes with the console, as I don't have one, you will have to confirm from someone else. It's been widely reported however.

Can you play XVid movies on XBox360? PS3 movie rentals are coming.. Gears of war is a 2nd Gen title, slightly better than PS3 launch title resistance FOM. Come back in 6 months, the tables will have turned..

Thats why I thought I would have both. I will also pick up the Wii console after Christmas. So if anyone wants a unbiased answer on what is better feel free to ask me. I don't care about any of the brands they can all go BK for all I care.

Hi Joey,

There are a lot of sets that do 1080i but not 720p. I know it sounds stupid but a couple years ago, when HDTV was just getting populuar, there were all kinds of weird things going on.

I bought a 65" rear projection for my parents, same thing. The inputs on the back say 480i / 480p 540i 1080i, no 720p. This was a while ago and all they watch is a Comcast HD box which has 1080i and looks absolutely stunning.

My point is people who adopted the early sets are getting screwed.

Just for the record, I don't hate anything foreign, almost every piece of electronics in my house is Japanese except for my projector.

I don't have a noisy XBOX, I have a PS3 and unless you own one, you have no ideas of the issues with the console.

You have to press the power button for a few seconds to get the console to handshake with the TV. Once you do that, the optical audio output is automatically disabled.

Laslty, HDMI is a joke, it wasn't designed to give you a better picture. It was created to control things like DRM. Why do you think they are disabling 1080p on the component outputs and forcing you to go HDMI?

Do your homework.

"Gears of war is a 2nd Gen title, slightly better than PS3 launch title resistance FOM"

Way off, Gears beats any standard FPS any day.

"Can you play XVid movies on XBox360?"
Yes I can, just search google for xvid Xbox 360, there are multiple solutions.

"PS3 movie rentals are coming"
Source?

In 6 months I will be playing Halo 3 beta. In 12 months I will be palying the full game. What does Sony have to offer that the 360 isn't getting as well?

GTA4?

Oh wait, nm. Rockstar got tired of waiting and decided to dual release this time around...