Paramount Switch to HD DVD Evens the Stakes

By Scott M. Fulton, III and Ed Oswald, BetaNews

August 20, 2007, 2:32 PM

Owners of Blu-ray Disc players anxious for the upcoming release of Shrek the Third were shocked to learn this morning it was not going to happen - at least, not for the brand they'd chosen. The Viacom division, which now includes the DreamWorks Animation label, said it has chosen to resume supporting the HD DVD format exclusively, effectively reversing its decision of October 2005 to release in both formats.

The move appears sudden, as only ten days ago video press sources were given notice by Viacom that Shrek the Third and many other titles were being released for both formats on November 13. Now, Viacom plans to formally commence its exclusive HD DVD support with the release of the Will Farrell comedy Blades of Glory on August 28, with Shrek and Transformers to follow thereafter. Those three titles combined garnered $1.5 billion in US box office sales.

In a statement early this afternoon, Viacom stated its studios' mutual decision "resulted from an extensive evaluation of current market offerings, which confirmed the clear benefits of HD DVD, particularly its market-ready technology and lower manufacturing costs."

Executives there may also have been swayed by recent announcements made by Chinese manufacturers to produce even lower-price players, with an apparent edge given to HD DVD; as well as Wal-Mart’s decision to exclusively carry low-end HD DVD players in the near future.

When Paramount made that 2005 decision to support both formats, it quoted Home Entertainment division president Thomas Lesinski as saying the company's reasons were twofold: First, it looked forward to Blu-ray leading Sony's PlayStation 3 into the home in a big way. Second, it re-evaluated the cost of making Blu-ray Discs versus HD DVDs, and decided the difference was not all that great.

But this morning, the landscape looks very different. PS3 wasn't mentioned, but the cost factor was. Perhaps even more importantly, it was the studio production heads -- not the home entertainment division heads -- leading the charge this time.

Paramount Chairman and CEO Brad Grey took the banner. "Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater," Grey stated, "and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience. I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount." Grey's comments were coupled with a strange remark from DreamWorks head Jeffrey Katzenberg that somehow HD DVD was better suited to families.

Lesinski has been known to be personally impressed with HD DVD, especially the 45 GB double-bonded disc project which was launched in 2005 - another multi-ply project in high-def which has yet to bear fruit. But historically, he's been an advocate for a cautious approach, telling reporters that his company's tack is to let the market decide which format should eventually rule the high-definition home. Either the company has made that decision, or Lesinski's been overruled.

In either event, the news was taken hard by Blu-ray aficionados. On the unofficial Blu-ray.com blog, there was a rumor that Viacom had received a $150 million payout from the HD DVD Promotions Group. That rumor was apparently launched by LA Weekly blogger Nikki Finke, who first repeated whispers of Viacom's pending move on Sunday.

Just last month, Blu-ray.com reported that Paramount would release Blades of Glory with a PCM 5.1 lossless soundtrack for Blu-ray only, with a lossy soundtrack on HD DVD, with other similar releases to follow. According to that story, its sources cited HD DVD's space constraints as a key reason.

A fresh check of High-Def Digest, which was apparently updated this afternoon, shows the "lesser" audio format for Blades' forthcoming HD DVD release to be Dolby TrueHD 5.1, which is not exactly all that shabby.

Viacom's move leaves Warner Bros. as the single major studio to straddle the fence by supporting both formats, as Universal hangs on tight to HD DVD while the various Sony studios, Disney, and 20th Century-Fox maintain their allegiance to Blu-ray. As a senior member of the AV Science Forum commented today, "What worries me most is what [Warner Bros.] does next. If they go HD-DVD exclusive which I think they will, everything will be back to square one."

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By morpheus1

edited Aug 28, 2007 - 3:43 PM

Huge shock? Paramount was an exclusive HD-DVD supporter back in 2005 (actually the first to announce titles, well, ain't we happy we didn't have to see an HD-DVD with Spongebob...)and made it crystal clear from the beginning that their support for Blu-Ray was based on gigantic sales forecasts for the PS3 - which didn't happen (blame it on Nintendo's Wii, the price tag and the lackluster supply of games).

A PS3 owner having 2 Blu-Ray titles doesn't create longevity in sales. The classic home theatre aficionado is favoring HD-DVD players over Blu-ray players (PS3 company excluded), he is the one creating longevity in sales figures.

Certainly, the poor PS3 sales figures are not a secret to Warner Home Video. If they think along the lines of Paramount, they'll be next (returning to their original format of choice).
My two cents: Their releases of Matrix and other goodies on HD-DVD will not see a Blu-Ray release any time soon...

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By MinuteMaid

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 3:42 AM

When the press release was issued stating that Paramount would be supporting HD DVD exclusively, it was a huge shock to the Blu-ray community. What would drive a movie studio to abandon the more widely adopted high definition format, abandoning potentially millions of Blu-ray consumers, for an inferior, under-supported format? As we found out, it was a red suitcase filled with $150M and the promise to extend this needless format war for another 18 months.

Paramount hasn't been a huge player in the high definition war thus far; they've only managed to produce 33 titles for Blu-ray. In sharp contrast, Fox/MGM has so far released 38 titles (over the course of six months) and has another 29 planned for the remainder of the year. Additionally, Paramount has been the slowest to adopt the latest technology, just recently adding AVC support (with ‘Flags of Our Fathers') and almost supporting lossless audio (a PCM track was planned for ‘Blades of Glory'). Their releases are solid, but not even close to the presentations delivered by diehard Blu-ray supporters Disney and Sony.

So why did the HD DVD Promo Group pay $150M for exclusive support if that support would be weak? Very simply, they were in deep trouble heading into the forth quarter of the year. Universal, previously the only exclusive HD DVD studio, had seriously bombed in the theater during the summer months, meaning they had few if any blockbuster release for the holiday season on home video. HD DVD needed a reason to exist, and an ultra special edition of ‘Evan Almighty' just wasn't going to cut it.

Essentially, they spent $150M for the exclusive rights to ‘Transformers' and ‘Shrek the Third'; and of course, potentially, any other Paramount/Dreamworks blockbusters released in the next year. What remains to be seen is if these high profile releases can do what other exclusive high profile releases have failed to achieve: sell HD DVD players.

What the HD DVD Promo Group really bought was one year of life-support for the ailing format. An end to this war was penciled in for early next year, but with this recent shift in support, there is little hope for that now. The shift adds more confusion to an already confusing format war, and consumers will simply stay away until the dust settles; and who can blame them? If a studio can be so easily bought, why shouldn't they hold out until the HD DVD Promo Group is ready to buy their support as well?

The obvious first reaction is what you have been witnessing on this website and others: panic. It is easy to let a big press release make you doubt why you chose Blu-ray in the first place, but Paramount's support wasn't the only reason. I can't lie, the news does sting as I have enjoyed many Paramount releases, but I won't let it sway my stance. Stay “Tru Blu” and keep supporting Blu-ray. Resist supporting an inferior technology for one or two movies, and enjoy the countless classics currently on and coming soon to Blu-ray. The best Hollywood studios, most respected producers and directors, and even Paramount's own engineering staff prefer Blu-ray over HD DVD. They all have voices, and not even $150B would be enough to silence them all.

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By Hollywoodâ?¢

posted Aug 23, 2007 - 4:10 AM

So if it's bribery when Microsoft pays a company to adopt it's technology, what is it called when Sony does it?

And yes, you are genuinely upset about all this, which is freakin hilarious. You have no life other than the "freinds" you think you have over at blu-ray.com.

You are the typical cult member who has been brainwashed. People as yourself need to feel like you're part of a "group" to feel important. But in the end, you know that you are still an unhappy, angry person with no creative ability or ambition to aspire to be something better, let alone the best at anything.

You drank the Kool-Aid a long time ago, poor unhappy bas****.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 10:46 AM

LMAO.

You're genuinely upset about this aren't you?

I'd love you to prove that $150 million BS rumour all you Blu-ray shills are trying to claim you 'know' about
(all cos 'biased Bill Hunt said so?!
Yeah like he'd know......such a well informed 'insider' he turned out to be, eh?
Whining like a spoilt brat after the event - knowing nothing of it before - cos it pi*sed on his chips and little BD fanboy campaign).

Then you might like to put up some numbers (you know profits, cashflow etc) that show how $150 million would be such a massive deal to a massive company like Viacom/Paramount.

But nevermind, at least with your absurd ravings you don't have to actually stop and consider anything Paramount actually said, eh?

I mean, they did only produce both formats for a year and fully evaluate both, after-all.

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By joopy

edited Aug 22, 2007 - 2:40 PM

You must be blind,you want proof?But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

"The incentives will come in a combination of cash and promotional guarantees. Toshiba, for instance, will use the release of “Shrek the Third” as part of an HD DVD marketing campaign."
http://www.nytimes.com/2...-B5wO3L/F+4r1NyAsum87vQ
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8554
NYT Confirms $150M HD DVD Exclusivity Deal
BTW HDDVD IS ON LIFE SUPPORT,BLURAY IS CRUSHING HDDVD
The hddvd installed base is pathetic and miserable,NOBODY is buying hddvd,just check the NIELSEN NUMBERS to see how HDDVD is sloooooowly dying;BYE BYE HDDVD

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By Hocuspokus

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 4:50 PM

No clearly you'r blind.

There is no proof of the bribe claim.

You're now choosing to catagorise promotion as bribery (like Sony/Blu-ray don't do such a thing).
It's ridiculous.

This isn't about someone choosing to go format neutral, this the first time someone has actually dumped one of the competing formats.

Blu-ray got dumped.

Some "crushing".

LMAO.

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By ladylust

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 3:54 AM

It doesnt matter.. once 1 major movie house jumps ship.... that format is over. Blu-ray may become the sharper image of formats, but the mass populous will probably have all HD-DVD in the years to come.

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By Steve Austin

edited Aug 22, 2007 - 7:45 AM

Erm, the mass populous have Blu-Ray today.

5 Million Blu-Ray players sold.
200,000 HD DVD players sold.

Blu-Ray is outselling HD DVD 2:1 on media sales.

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By Hollywoodâ?¢

posted Aug 23, 2007 - 4:12 AM

Yes Steve, and that's an attach rate of 13.5 to 1 in HD-DVD's favor. But you already knew that because I can add and divide and pointed it out.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Aug 22, 2007 - 11:19 AM

"Erm, the mass populous have Blu-Ray today."

- That's it, right there.

The flaw in the Blu-ray strategy.

PS3 is not "mass populous".

It's a mere minority of the game console market.

A game console market that is tiny compared to the home a/v market's DVD player numbers.

The truth is there isn't another 3.7 (or 4 or 6) million PS3s being sold anytime soon.
That's done with.

It's HD DVD that can look forward to selling multi-millions of their inexpensive HD DVD players, not expensive Blu-ray......and Paramount/Viacom know this, hence the move.
Warner next, count on it.

"5 Million Blu-Ray players sold."

- Inflate the number all you like it merely proves how pathetic the game console platform is at selling movies.

"200,000 HD DVD players sold."

- It's 400,000.......but if you want to say your 5 million can only outsell 200,000 by 2:1 then feel free.

It's just hilarious how you don't get what a laughable situation you are describing yourself.

"Blu-Ray is outselling HD DVD 2:1 on media sales."

- Well there's a straight out lie (again).

Blu-ray has sold 2.2M compared to 1.5M of HD DVD sales. no matter how you cut it that isn't even 2:1......

......with (according to you) 25 times the number of players.


LMAO.

.....and you think that's 'good'?!
You really can't see why Viacom/Paramount jumped?

You just don't get it do you Steve?

It's merely a matter of time.
HD DVD will hit the mainstream mass-market first and sell in the millions (far more millions that PS3.....the Toshiba laptop/notepad numbers alone guarantee this will happen).

That's when HD DVDs far superior attachment rates will pay off.
It's just a matter of a little time.

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By SGD

edited Aug 22, 2007 - 10:09 AM

Let me see like Hollywood would say 5 million blo-ray units and 200,000 HD and blo-ray is only outselling by 2:1. To me that is a serious concern if I was a studio. The blo-ray owners look to be so supportive of the format. Cheaper players for the HD side will add owners and the 2:1 will vanish.

Again 2:1 with that many more units is pathetic and not worth bragging about. In fact I would be very concerned.

Some how you keep avoiding this rather important aspect of the format war.

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By Hollywoodâ?¢

posted Aug 23, 2007 - 4:13 AM

Hollywood would say that.

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By Galway

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 8:40 AM

Cheaper players, better films and more HD screens will boom or doom the format. The grass looks greener on the HD-DVD camp, and the Blu-Ray camp and fans are rightly worried, history might repeat itself. Never mind, Sony will learn and eventually the law of averages say they have to get it right sometime. Its not all bad though, they could always licence and make HD-DVD players and actually make money on a player.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 8:19 AM

I don't think a rather embarrassing 2:1 ratio is something that I would brag about, considering the much higher number of BD players out in the wild.

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By SGD

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 8:58 AM

Agreed.

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By plague201

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 11:23 PM

To all you PS3/bluray co#k suckers.

HA!

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By Jedite

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 8:33 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. MICHAEL BAY BACKTRACKS and becomes HD-DVD CONVERT!!!

Heres the new post he made on the same website were he said No blu-ray no Transformers2.
"Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-ray owners. They were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray, and I drank the Kool-Aid hook, line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted -- nothing good ever comes out of early AM posts, mind you -- I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.

As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.

So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!

So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!"

heres the link ... http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/

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By Metfanant

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 7:25 PM

http://store.aetv.com/ht...t/index.jhtml?id=101540

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 6:45 PM

Dave is see you are Ray Dorset today, no one is fooled moron.

It was Steve yesterday and MinuteMaid the day before. I almost forgot about metfatant or whatever the f**k that is.

You are showing you're true loser colors lately.

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By Hollywood__

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 6:43 PM

I love it. All of the Dave clones over at blu-ray.com are saying we don't need Paramount, but in the same breath saying f**k you because they are mad that a studio realized BD is not doing so good.

The BD clan is upset because Paramount realized only one out of every two BD player owners has bought only one movie or .55 per player.

They also know each HD-DVD owner has bought 7,5 per player. If they get more HD-DVD players bought, a lot more movies will be sold per player.

They are also mad because they cant afford a combo player, in which case, it doesnt matter who does what or if this silly war goes on forever.

They chose one format and now have to cheerlead, it's sad.

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By plague201

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 11:26 PM

This is very interesting, because up until this point I haven't seen a single movie on blu-ray that is a must have. Will be interesting when Transformers comes out EXCLUSIVELY on HD_DVD, boy I'm glad I chose the most logical and practical side.

About the only thing that can safe blu-ray at this point in my opinion is the Star Wars series being an exclusive for it.

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By Ryusennin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 2:01 PM

Blade Runner Final Cut... That's Warner, right... Warner goes HD-DVD...

Guess which format is gonna make big bucks at X-Max :)

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By Ray Dorset

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 2:06 PM

Blade Runner Final Cut is Blu-Ray, it's also got uncompressed audio.

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By Latz !

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:26 PM

Laserdiscs had uncompressed audio too.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 22, 2007 - 8:22 AM

Wow, that was good for a giggle. Bravo. :)

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By Ray Dorset

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 2:21 PM

Viacom have really gone an done it now. Not only have they angered consumers waiting on the fence for an early end to the HD war, they have also angered whole movie industry.

Even Spielberg and Michael Bay are enraged by Vaicoms money grabbing dumb move!

I wouldn't be suprised if this single dumb decision to take Microsoft's money will end up being the end of Viacom.

The only people happy about this, is 200,000 HD DVD owners, everyone else sees this as a REALLY dumb move.

I don't see this as changing the outcome of the HD format war, merely extending it, bad news for everyone, including Paramount/Vaicom, who will now simply get left behind on HD, supporting the lame and dying HD DVD format.

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By SGD

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:36 PM

Your lack of insight and a clue amazes me. The people you mention do not own the movies the studio does. They can do what they want with their property. If said director is offered money to do a movie he isn't going to say I can't do that because you don't support Steve and Ray's format. Get over yourself.

Kids love Shrek so tons more players will be selling to get the Shrek series and other great movies.

You are just upset that support is slipping away for blo-ray.

Everyone else! I would say that the majority at this point could careless about this. When was the last time that you compared the HD format war sales compared to DVD? Yes the majority could careless.

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By Ray Dorset

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 5:02 PM

Normally this is true, however Speilberg retails the distribution rights to his movies, hence why they are excluded from this deal.

Speilberg wants them on Blu-Ray.

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By MidnightWatcher

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 5:10 PM

Spielberg may want them on Blu-ray, but he is not exclusive to Blu-ray. If they're released on Blu-ray they will be released on HD DVD as well, with the sole exception of Close Encounters.

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By siryak

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:30 PM

Lol you keep telling yourself that Ray. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Although you will probably not get much sleep whenever $ony goes under from all of their losses as of late. You might want to start looking for another job.

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By timatl

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:28 PM

you got to the biggest retard ever.

you think Micheal Bay outrage will bring the end to Viacom.

i understand being upset but thats taking it a little to far.

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By Program86

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 12:01 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SH*IT

here comes the tsunami...

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By smarterthanyou

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 4:30 AM

The folks at Blu-Ray.com sure are a bunch of idiots if they think HD-DVD has insufficient space for lossless audio. I suppose the Blu-Ray.com folks also think that the best audio that all HD-DVD players support is CD quality 5.1 channel audio too. Morons.

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By Steve Austin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 6:22 AM

Are you saying 21GB more than DVD, is enough for HD picture, multi-channel uncompressed audio?

Sorry, you're plain wrong.

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By yountmj

edited Aug 22, 2007 - 8:30 AM

He said "lossless", not "uncompressed"... big difference, but no difference in audio quality if it's lossless.

Read...

And 21GB more than DVD is apparently enough for the aging MPEG-2 compression that Blu-ray insists on clinging to, which necessitates the use of the higher storage capacity. Why wouldn't it be enough for more efficient and identical VC-1?

Sorry, but you're plain wrong, and the movies available should prove it to those who do not chose to ignore it.

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By smarterthanyou

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 2:34 PM

Dolby TrueHD audio is identical to Blu-Ray's PCM audio when it is decompressed. I guess the Blu-Ray.com folks really are morons.

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By lonechicken

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 10:17 AM

Yes, because the codecs used by both HD formats are much more efficient on the video side, than DVD's mpeg2.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 7:04 AM

Perhaps you'd like to explain how come the majority of Blu-ray movies are on 25gb single layer BD discs then Steve?

Goodbye Steve.

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By Hollywood__

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 10:53 PM

The difference today is we have HD-DVD/BD combo players. There was no VHS / Beta player.

Combo is the way to go. No worries. Or buy both players, which in hindsight was pretty dumb on my part.

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By lonechicken

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 10:23 AM

There's always a chance that you'll have to keep buying combo players if part of your collection ends up being on the wrong format. Which kind of sucks unless the price is the same (or there are no single format players). Think DVD recordable drives these days. They all come with the ability to do every DVD recordable format. That's the optimistic side.

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By VampireFrost

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:12 PM

This fight really needs to stop. This reminds me of the old fight between Betamax and VHS.
Both have there pluses and minuses they should combind the 2 and come out with one great platform. hahahahahah :|

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By ladylust

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:22 PM

Technology + no fight = no profit.

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By ladylust

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 9:12 PM

The Porn industry is going pure HD-DVD.. You know what that means? END GAME for Blu-Ray LOL

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By Steve Austin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:10 AM

Actually, you couldn't be any more wrong. Blu-Ray is leading the adult HD war..

http://www.cdfreaks.com/...lu-ray-Disc-format.html

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6142519.html

http://www.tvpredictions.com/hirsch111006.htm

http://www.computerworld...amp;intsrc=news_ts_head

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By yountmj

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 8:28 AM

Talk about scripted responses... twice in one thread?

Actually, you couldn't be more desperate. Blu-ray is not leading the adult "war", and that is a rather well-known fact.

...and I would've thought that you of all people would know the correct spelling of "Blu-ray".

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By Babylon2x

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 3:24 AM

Let's fastforward to 2007. CDfreaks article was about digital playground, in 2006. In 2007, a digital playground producer said they'd go for HD-DVD for future releases.

http://arstechnica.com/n...post/20070112-8602.html

And in fact, the third article you link to even states "HD-DVD has already won over the U.S. adult film industry thanks to its lower costs and ease of use."

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By Hocuspokus

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 7:06 AM

The only US porno studio making BD porn is Vivid......and they are only doing it as a tester to see how it works out.

The rest all went HD DVD exclusive a while back.

Stop lying Steve.

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By ladylust

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 9:11 PM

I am no fanboy of either format. I want to buy one, but I havent made the move yet.

It seems at this point with this story that Blu-Ray is going to become another Betamax.

A Company like Paramount that makes a ton of movies, already tooled up for Blu-ray made a serious switch. No company would just retool and switch if they didnt do some serious investigating.

HD-DVD just got someone to turn to their side.. Guess what guys... Its only going to continue.. . Movie companies are very jittery people. Once one jumps ship more will follow.

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 9:59 PM

Ladylust,

If you are smart, get a combo player and don't worry. That's my next purchase just so I can clean up my equipment rack.

Iv'e bought it all, PS3. 360 add-on, XA1, XA2, and the A2. I'd trade it all for a nice combo player. Unfortunately I'll have to buy one.

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By ladylust

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:23 PM

Yea sure.. combo player.. I want to spend $1000.00 on something i can buy for $50.00 in 3 years. I made a mistake buying my first standard DVD player for $600.00 when it first came out. When a combo player comes out thats $299.00 Id consider it.

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By Hollywood__

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 11:09 PM

True.

I also paid $750 for my first DVD player, it was a Toshiba SD-3006, I still have it. It wont play DVD-R's though.

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By Metfanant

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 8:57 PM

desperate move by deperate Toshiba and its HD-DVD camp....being outsold 2-1 in the US media wise and as far as i know its worse everywhere else...Blu-Ray is getting the extended LotR movies while HDDVD only gets theatrical releases....and you KNOW George Lucas will only settle for the highest quality audio when he decides to release Star Wars on a HD format so he will choose Blu-Ray....this deal also does not cover anything DIRECTED by Spielberg....Blu-Ray still has Spider Man 3 and Pirates 3 coming out....and while they were so so movies they are big money franchises....even Universal themselves described HD-DVD as "fragile"....again....desperate move by a failing format...buying studios....shame...it doesn't hurt Blu-Ray owners...it hurts consumers in general for toshiba to keep this nearly dead horse alive....

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By yountmj

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 1:45 AM

"and you KNOW George Lucas will only settle for the highest quality audio when he decides to release Star Wars on a HD format"

Well, I would certainly hope that someone with George Lucas' resources would have enough common sense to do a little research on just how many Blu-ray players that are going to be used to view his movies are actually PS3's... my guess is a vast majority, since they outnumber dedicated BD players by a large margin.

But wait, here it comes. Sadly, the PS3 will not output Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA bitstreams un-decoded to an HDMI 1.3 receiver... nor will it handle DTS-HD MA at all. It will decode Dolby TrueHD internally and output it as LPCM via HDMI though (big whoop).

That's the problem with having all these optional codecs on the Blu-ray side. The mistakes keep piling up... the PS3 isn't quite the end-all be-all BD player they hoped everyone would believe.

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By siryak

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:48 PM

Looks like the Sony fanboys are kicking into damage control mode. Nice load of FUD. I will just kick back and relax while not just Blo-Ray goes under, but the whole $ony company. Considering their TV sales are dropping like a rock, the losses on the POS3 are well over $2 billion, they keep on having to recall more batteries on top of an already massive amount, they already had the UMD format fail, and now Blo-Ray is going under. It is not a bright future for $ony.

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By SGD

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 9:46 PM

Did you see Pirates 3, i stinks. Check the reviews it stinks.

Won't it be funny when the only exclusive studio for the blo-ray is $ony. Most of their movies s*ck anyway so who cares.

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:00 PM

I liked Pirates 3 and I'll buy the trilogy when it comes out, even if it's BD.

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By SGD

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 6:50 AM

I liked 1 and 2 but not 3 at all. Now the Spiderman 3 set looks very good. It was sad to see the Die HArd set going blu only too.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 9:33 PM

"desperate move by deperate Toshiba and its HD-DVD camp"

- You Blu-ray fans are hilarious.
This has been a genuinely amusing bit of reaction to the news.
More. More!

It seems that the fact that the market is tiny and desperately immature just doesn't permeate the minds of the Blu-ray fanclub.

The numbers right now (either way) are far too tiny to be making such statements.
Blu-ray got the strategy completely wrong.
They fixated on HD DVD as the competition when in fact it's regular DVD.

Now Blu-ray is stuck with a situation where Blu-ray = PS3 - as in 'expensive PS3'.
They aren't selling another 3.7 million of them any time soon.

Meanwhile HD DVD drops in price and sales continue to rise.
Most importantly HD DVD players shift movies unlike the PS3s out there.

That's why Paramount (having run with both formats for a year now) are saying that current 60:35 (or 60:40 depending on who you read) 'performance' is irrelevant and actually not a good thing for the Blu-ray side to try crowing about.

Given the number of players they're supposed to have the Blu-ray sales numbers are actually pretty pathetic.

No wonder paramount went back to being HD DVD exclusive......the question now is how long until Warner Bros join them?

HD DVD now provides the greatest amount of available content, the greatest amount of exclusive content and a range of players at various price-points.
HD DVD is going to win the a/v market.

PS3 will have Blu-ray just as PSP has UMD.
Big deal.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 8:03 PM

I wonder how long it'll be until Warner Bros follow them (frankly I'm surprised they didn;t jump first).

So much for all those comments about Blu-ray attachment rates not being important.

Paramount had a good year producing and evaluating both formats and decided to go back to being HD DVD exclusive.
That says a lot.

Dumb comments about bribes and all are just that, pretty dumb (like the Blu-ray side never resorted to paying for 'support' either, huh?).

Interesting as this leaves HD DVD with the greater amount of available content right now, the greater amount of exclusive content right now and the greatest potential content (including exclusive content).

So, HD DVD for the best capacity (51gb), HD DVD for the greatest amount of content, HD DVD for the greatest amount of exclusive content and HD DVD for the best image and sound.

.....and HD DVD for the best a/v model range.

Blu-ray has only itself to blame, they got 2 things very wrong
(1) the relied almost entirely on a kids game console - cos right now Blu-ray = PS3 and
(2) the pi*sed off the early adopting consumer with their BD+ cr@p.

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 8:00 PM

Hey Steve,

I've asked you three times to point out how my attach rate numbers were "flawed, very flawed" but you havent shown me why the easy to figure out 13.5 to 1 attach rate over BD is wrong.

Please elaborate before posting more imaginary broken links.

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By fernz33

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 8:29 PM

I'm not sure what "flawed numbers" you are referring to with Steve, but I don't think attach rate plays as big of a role as you think it does.

Normally, yes I would agree that "13.5 to 1" (using your numbers) is a BIG deal. But in this case you can't because the primary use of the #1 BRD player is not a stand-alone player. This makes it difficult, if not impossible, to calculate the attach rate of people who bought the system as an inexpensive stand-alone blu-ray player, or ONLY for gaming. For this same reason, you also can't gloat over the advantage of sales of “stand-alone players”.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 1:03 AM

"people who bought the system as an inexpensive stand-alone blu-ray player, or ONLY for gaming"

Either way you look at it, it seems that those who purchased a PS3 for either role have gotten the shaft due to a rather low quantity of both.

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:06 PM

Attach rates are everything, according to the numbers, each BD/PS3 owner has bought .55 movies.

Sony was banking on the PS3 to win this format war. If every PS3 owner bought one lousy movie, they would be winning 7 to 1 in movie sales.

We all know that HD-DVD owners have about 7.5 movies average in thier collections based on the number of players and movies sold.

I'm sure the dedicated BD player owners are driving the sales but there is no way to figure out who is buying movies.

The PS3 has failed as a gaming system and as a BD player. The losses per console are staggering and they just lowered the price by $100 which you can add-on to the loss per console nightmare.

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By Steve Austin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:16 AM

Attach rates by themselves are meaningless.

HD DVD could have an attach rate of 100, but if they have old sold 20 players, then it's meaningless.

The situation, is that Blu-Ray has sold more players, and more movies, but because the PS3 is also a game system, the attach rate is naturally lower than a dedicate player.

The attach rate BS, is spread my HD DVD camp, with no other positive stats to shout about. A bit like the hardware sales (where they excluded 5 million PS3's to make their 200,000 players look impressive).

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By timatl

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 8:40 AM

yeah but the attach rate was 3 to 1 before the HD-DVD price drop. It may be 1-1 by the end of the year. I am sure the $200 HD-DVD player for walmart has alot to do with it as well.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Aug 21, 2007 - 10:36 PM

"Attach rates by themselves are meaningless."

- Go tell it to Paramount.

"The attach rate BS, is spread my HD DVD camp, with no other positive stats to shout about. A bit like the hardware sales (where they excluded 5 million PS3's to make their 200,000 players look impressive)."

- Actually everyone can see that when you're trying to make a big deal out of 'leading your competing format by only 65:35 (or 60:40 depending on source) when you're supposed to have close on 4 million players old (or is it 6 million 'shipped'? LMAO) to the other sides 400,000 is actually not very impressive at all.

The PS3 isn't a stand-alone player but so what?
The fact still stands that even if you do count it as a player and lump in all the XBox 360 HD DVD add-ons it's still almost 4 million verses under 400,000 and the bigger side can't better 60:35/60:40.

It's just a matter of time now as HD DVD player numbers start to rise.

.....and they aren't going to be selling another 3.7 millon PS3s anytime soon.

Blu-ray just lost.
Welcome to your dying PS3 proprietary format.

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By SGD

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 6:52 AM

Attach rate is meaningless I see. I wonder if that is why so many exclusives to the PS3 are no longer exclusives. The atach rate of the PS3 is horrible when compared to the other formats.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 7:16 AM

" I wonder if that is why so many exclusives to the PS3 are no longer exclusives."

- If you were prepared to buy from abroad and capitalise on HD DVD being region free everytime that was already the case before this move by Paramount.

Now HD DVD gains further and has the greatest amount of available content, the greatest amount of exclusive content and the support of the biggest studios (2 of the biggest exclusively).

I wonder what all those who claimed content is everything in this have to say now, huh? :D

"The atach rate of the PS3 is horrible when compared to the other formats."

- This is very true......and everyone can see it.

It's only a matter of time now until the low cost HD DVD players arrive to take the a/v market.

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By Latz !

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 6:39 PM

The first HD format to get Howard the Duck is the winner.

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By AaronDobbins

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:41 PM

Dude, Howard the Duck. I'm actually laughing out loud. That movie was frickin awesome. How can you beat a movie with a 3ft duck from outer space walking around picking up chicks. Especially since the principal from Ferris Beuller is also in the flick. I haven't seen that in years...I don't think BlockBuster will have it on the shelf though.

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By Steve Austin

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 5:37 PM

Looks like HD DVD couldn't win the war on technical merit, so have opted to try and buy the war.

$150Million backhander to Paramount won't change that fact HD DVD is dying. Even Universal admit HD DVD is fragile.

http://www.hollywoodinhi.../blog_detail.php?id=107

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:25 PM

I find it terribly difficult to believe that a large movie studio needs a small sum of cash to make them move HDDVD only... comon.

Your concerned about 'bribes'?? God where have you been the past so many years in the age of business!

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By Babylon2x

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 6:10 PM

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By Latz !

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 5:58 PM

Unlike Sony who have to own their own movie studios to get support for their format.

I also LOVE how you link to a Blu-Ray biased BLOG to back up your "facts". lmao

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By kashin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 2:56 AM

Shut up, everyone knows the most accurate source of news is biased blogs!! Hahahahaha. Steve Austin and the other Sony zealots just can't handle the truth, so they're going keep trying to deflect their anger to Microsoft. Sony failed again? No way! Let's go hate on Microsoft. Booo!!

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 10:08 PM

Dont forget Latz!, he get his info from "around teh internets" as one of his links was quoted saying.

I'd listen to the guy who wrote that article, he obviously went to high school for seven years, he's no dummy.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 1:06 AM

Better Off Dead... that brings back memories of my teenage years. Thanks bud. :)

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By yountmj

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 7:02 PM

I also love how he seems to forget that the only "technical merits" Blu-ray has over HD DVD is media capacity, which hasn't been shown to be even remotely necessary. All other "technical merits" are either a draw, or lean in HD DVD's favor.

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By SGD

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 7:17 PM

I saw that some of the stuff that Java is going to do is count the amount of monsters on a screen to unlock stuff. Yes a great use of space. Who really cares about crap like that give me a good movie.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 1:08 AM

Actually, I must correct myself... I guess it is necessary for MPEG-2 and uncompressed PCM. My bad.

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By Hollywood__

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 5:47 PM

Yes, isnt it great when you have the most powerful comany in the world backing your format?

You can buy off movie companies just like Sony did.

Admit it, BD is doomed.

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By Steve Austin

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 5:51 PM

If they have to bribe their way to stay alive, that can't be healthy for the format...

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By SGD

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 7:19 PM

Your right Sony never does this.

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By siryak

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 6:23 PM

You're right. Sony must be hurting pretty bad right now from all the bribes they have been handing out for a while now. If you think they are not bribing their exclusive studios you need to get a reality check.

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By Latz !

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 6:05 PM

You keep ignoring people when they point out to you that all companies do this, especially Sony. You think they didn't "bribe" Blockbuster and Target? Ha!

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By kashin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 2:59 AM

Shut up! When Sony does it, it's a "contribution" or "incentive", not a bribe. It's only a bribe when others do it. Sony can do no wrong, haven't you learned that yet?

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By Latz !

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:19 PM

I forgot. :D

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By siryak

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 5:45 PM

Lol...Yes because I am sure the studios supporting Blo-Ray did it out of the goodness of their hearts, and not because they paid them. Wake up Steve! There is more money in supporting both formats. You don't get exclusives without paying up!!!

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By kashin

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 3:00 AM

...but I thought Sony went on record saying they do not pay to get exclusives?! hahahaha

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By siryak

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 10:39 AM

OMG! Sony said so! Well then it MUST be true!!! lol After all they never lie!!! /sarcasm

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By Hollywood__

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 5:45 PM

Hey BetaNews moderators, if you really want to see someone go nuts, delete all of Steve Austin's posts.

Glad to see you guys are paying attention. BTW, what do I have to to become a moderator here?

Hey Steve / Dave,

I just read one of your posts over at the "official" BD forum where you nearly wet your pants when some diluted BD fanboy made up a story about a guy who was "wandering" around Nintendo's facility and stumbled upon a room full of engineers huddled around a Wii that was playing a BD movie.

That's right, a BD enabled Wii. HD-DVD is doomed. Wait a minute, the Wii only outputs 480i.

The fact that you actually believed this nonsense shows your inability to function in the same plane of reality as the rest of us.

It wasnt until someone pointed out that the Wii only does 480i that you posted a new comment saying that Nintendo will probably release a second generation Wii with HD and BD support.

Should I collect all of your nonsense and post it here for people to crack up at?

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 4:21 AM

Actually the Wii does do 480p. I have one with component. Not that it makes a difference though.

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By Latz !

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 5:21 PM

For the people that were saying Transformers will not be HD DVD Exclusive, you're wrong:

http://www.viacom.com/NE...wsText.aspx?RID=1042073

I just noticed that a lot of posts seem to have disappeared; what's going on?

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By PC_Tool

posted Aug 21, 2007 - 8:57 AM

Go into site preferences (link at top of page, right side) and set it to view negatively scored comments.

The mods have had a heyday in this thread.

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By Hollywood__

edited Aug 20, 2007 - 5:05 PM

This is even better. Fox just announced 29 new titles for Blu_Ray, what a coincidence.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=413#comments

Check out the BD shills sucking each other off. Most of those movies are old, but they need some moral support over there.

They sound like little girls.

Broke bas****s, all of them. All with PS3's as thier "high end" movie player.

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By yountmj

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 6:47 PM

About the only good movies that I noticed on that list (on the merits of HD-worthy) were the ones that were "also announced". Digitally remastered != HD. Those are some pretty old movies... but yeah, whatever makes them happy.

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By siryak

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 4:32 PM

Not looking good for $ony right now. Lets see where do I start. Over $2 billion in losses on the POS3, TV sales dropping like a rock, massive battery recalls, and now it is looking Blue for Blu-Ray. This company is not going to go on long like this.

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By bakura

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 4:29 PM

I was about to throw in the towel and get a PS3 since Blu-Ray appeared to have pretty much won. But now I think I'll hold off. My HD-DVD player may have a future after all.

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Aug 20, 2007 - 4:14 PM

To win this battle it will take one industries decision that will make the final difference:

PORN!

Weather the Adult Industry decides on HD or BR DVD, that will be your winner.

Sony was quoted saying they would never allow their BR Media / process to be used for the Adult Industry, but as recent as 2 weeks ago, they seems to have a change of heart.

Back in the early 80's Sony said the same thing to them, but it was in reference to BETAMAX, so PORN choose VHS and look how that went.

Trust me, when "Debbie Does Dallas 35" hits in some form on HD, THAT WILL BE YOUR WINNER!

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