RSSSafari for Mac, Opera for Windows both claim 100% on Acid3
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published March 27, 2008, 12:56 PM
As the race for perfect compliance with the Web Standards Project's latest test battery heats up, the two dark horses in the race claim a neck-and-neck finish ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer.
Screenshots of perfect 100/100 scores on the Acid3 standards compliance test for apparently the most recent daily development builds, were posted on the team blogs for both the Safari browser for Mac and Windows and the Opera browser for Windows, at the very same hour early yesterday evening. It may have been perhaps the closest photo-finish since Intel and IBM claimed they discovered the hafnium formula for high-k dielectrics on the same morning.
But the Safari team's own transparency about the process led to the discovery of a potentially serious bug with the Acid3 test, which its principal author acknowledged last night. Just as the news of Opera's passage began traveling over blogs, with the exaggerated headline that Opera was the first browser to pass, writes the WSP's Ian Hickson, the Apple team contacted him to say there was a serious problem with its handling of Scalable Vector Graphics fonts.
The Apple team wrote that the problem would make a perfect 100/100 score impossible on the existing build of Acid3. But that was 45 minutes or so after the Opera team claimed it had already reached that goal.
Hickson lays the blame for the problem apparently on the W3C, for not specifying the SVG standard clearly enough. "I have to say, by the way, that the relevant parts of the SVG spec are truly worthless," he wrote. "Where are the UA conformance criteria? You'd think a spec that was so verbose and detailed would actually tell you stuff, instead of just rambling on without actually saying what the requirements were."
There's no word yet as to whether the Opera team will specifically require a do-over for its latest build, although an Opera spokesperson late yesterday told BetaNews, "This does not mean we pass per se, but rather that we are incredibly close to completely passing the Acid3 test. We will have a public build probably next week." An earlier test of Acid3 on Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 yielded a score of 17.
It's nice to see someone pass the LSD test. The 70's are sort of a blur for me. I wonder where they get their supply?
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|For some reason I am having issues believing Opera reached 100/100. As of current builds (with all updates)
Windows Vista x64
Opera 9.26 46/100
Safari 3.1 b525.13 75/100
Firefox 3.0b4 68/100
IE7 5/100
OS X Leopard
Opera 9.26 46/100
Safari 3.1 b525.13 75/100
Firefox 3.0b5 68/100
I can see Firefox or Safari hitting it, but to boost a 54% increase from one browser version to the next seems a bit high. Though Safari 3.0-3.1 jumped from 35-75.
Firefox on os x seemed to crash once during test (could not repeat) ie7 doesn't even look anything like the test reference. Safari received link test failed messages. And Opera showed the boxes as big black lines through the middle of the page.
Both Firefox and Safari should the results very close to what the reference showed it (excluding the error on screen for failing link test)
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|you'll have them till someone tells you that 9.26 is a rendering engine that doesn't include all the cutting edge improvements made at everyday development.
Yes, 9.26 is the latest final release, but it's far behind where developers are on builds still not ready for public.
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|Opera's builds (both Windows and Linux) scoring 100/100 are now available for public download at http://labs.opera.com/news/2008/03/28/
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|Holy Cow !!!
I´m also On_Acid - but didn´t pass the test.
They gave me 6 months....
Hope they have WiFi in the cells...
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|Clearlight here, my friend. Yep, after all these years been keeping a 30+ year supply in the cooler.
Who needs to use a browser when one T Leary so graciously provided such a hit.
Sweet imaginations!!!
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|I like opera best, except that FF is a lighter load on the system. I use FF, but now that I think about it, I've got a fast system now...
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|My cat actually doesn't like Opera. She typically hides under the bed. Neither does she like identity fraud. She typically scratches the s*** out of impersonators.
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|Maybe your cat needs some acid?
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|Mycat prefers catnip, thankyouverymuch.
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|Has it's tail up in the air awaiting with breathless anticipation of your attention?
No doubt with a doggie bone in it's mouth so it won't wake the neighbors!!!
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|Hello, Zaine...
Nothing better to do?
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|Hey PC_Tool, i don't know you personally and besides agreeing or not with your opinions
I CAN'T EXPLAIN MYSELF HOW SOMEONE'S LIFE CAN ORBIT AROUND BASHING YOU, OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER!!!
MYYYYY GOD, THIS GUY NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!!! it's terrile, i've seen this maggot jumpin'bashing on you everytime i'm reading the forums, it's unbelievably... incredible!
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|No explanation needed. He's a troll. This is what they do.
They pick a person they cannot argue with intellectually and instead try to abuse them enough that they'll jump ship, leaving the troll free to spew whatever gibberish they feel without argument.
if it wasn't me, it'd be terminalx, or wincement, or any of the other countless posters here who can actually use their brains.
(I suppose I could have included you in that list, but, hey...I'm a jerk)
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|Opera and Safari are alright, but aren't nearly as good as Firefox. I actually like Opera better then Safari because of some of its innovative features and interface. Many people claim to also like IE7 better then Firefox and while it is a major improvement from IE6, Firefox is just a little bit better. All of these facts come from the browser stats from my blog in case you are wondering.
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www.TalkPrice.net
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|All of these OPINIONS come from the browser stats from my blog in case you are wondering.
Call a spade a spade, spam-boy.
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|Go easy on him, hes only 14.
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|Good thing I called him "spam-boy" instead of "Old Man Spamsalot", then....
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|Not only is your spelling becoming a worry, your wit is that of a squealing cat (refer previous observation), your syntax is deteriorating, seems to me you no longer have your cat doing your thinking for you!
Or perhaps you've stopped feeding your kids "Shine", 'n you are now endeavoring to articulate concepts beyond your very humble ken.
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|Wow. Lots of big words there.
Hope you didn't hurt yourself.
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|the importance of acid test is to aid web developers and promote the future.
Webkit team made so many acid 3 specific patch, rush in the implementation of tiny portion of standard that is checked by the test and give up other parts, its just not right attitude to the test.
If webkit only implements 5 out of 116 items of SVG animation standard (opera does 110 out of 116), just for the sake of passing the test, what help do web developers get from these selective implementation?
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|This is why I've always felt these tests are, for the most part, a joke.
What should count is how well these browsers display *existing* content.
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|True, I see no point in these tests. It's ironic that IE always fares the worst but there are still many sites that will only work with IE.
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|Only because of M$'$ bad programming.
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|There is point, but it's not as big a point as lots of people make it out to be.
It is a helpful tool in moving the web forward; but it is not the be-all and end-all of following standards.
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|Guess you would, since your Microsoft browser never passes them.
The rest of us will take standards; you stick with MicroLame.
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|Zaine,
I use Firefox.
Try to keep up, troll.
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|They coded it just fine. They simply didn't code to WC3 standards.
You think that was a bad idea. Others do not see it that way.
Better watch the "M$" bit, or we'll have to start calling you El Dingo Jr. :p
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|It is a bad thing, but it would end in a comment far too long for this page for me to answer it and I'll leave it at that.
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|...and I could just as easily, hell, probably even easier, find a 3 page long dissertation from someone who claims it's a good thing.
Let's just leave it "differing opinions".
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|This is what puzzles us, you are quite obviously of a junior paygrade at MSFT, yet squeal like a cat at anything remotely negative to the aforementioned.
And, you use FF, why? I'm sure a quick search will show your quite evident disdain for anything not MSFT, FF included.
Are you kids & the cat aware of this?
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|Get a life, Zaine.
I have used and stated that I use Firefox several times on this site. If you cannot keep up, take notes (or just STFU).
Did you, perchance, miss my complaints regarding Vista's multimedia/network priority BS? Hell, I've even been known to defend Apple on occasion (The stupid iPhone price-drop whiners).
Of course you missed those. They don't fit with your narrow view. Everyone and everything is not, in fact, black and white there, sparky.
Seriously Zaine, find something better to do with your time. I'm sure there's an OOXML topic somewhere where you haven't spewed.
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|Not only did you manage to spell dissertation correctly, you used it in the correct context!
Most impressed!
Time to bend over!!!
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|So...
How long do you think your new account will survive un-banned this time?
In case you haven't noticed:
It doesn't bother me. It doesn't shut me up. It doesn't change my opinions or my propensity to voice and defend them.
Mainly, it makes you look like an obnoxious idiot.
That's really what you're going for here, isn't it? Is this an attention thing? Mommy doesn't love you enough, or in ways only legal in Arkansas?
Poor baby. We all feel sorry for you. You have out pity. Feel better?
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|IE8 Beta 1 scores 17/100 jejeje, that must've been hard for Microsoft guys. I think it doesn't matter who is the first, what really matters is that both Opera and Safari are real Web Standards worried browsers. That's what the web and developers need. Web Standards compilat Web Browsers.
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|"The Apple team wrote that the problem would make a perfect 100/100 score impossible on the existing build of Acid3. But that was 45 minutes or so after the Opera team claimed it had already reached that goal."
For ****s sake, no Opera didn't.
It's important to differentiate between getting the 100/100 score and passing the test.
Just getting a 100/100 score isn't passing the test.
I believe it was possible to get the 100/100 correct, even while this flaw in the test existed.
Opera never stated they'd passed it fully. On their blog (and I quote) they say:
"Today we reached a 100% pass rate for the first time! There are some remaining issues yet to be fixed, but we hope to have those sorted out shortly."
Remaining issues.
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|You know...Only in the wide, wonderful world of standards could a score of 100 out of 100 be described as "not passing" for technical reasons.
-SF3
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|I know. It's seems slightly counterproductive, however the counter is mainly there to test the smoothness of the processing more than to provide an accurate output of standards adherence level.
This is (probably) why there is a 'secret' button on the Acid 3 page which, when clicked on, shows the tests that haven't been passed.
It's not your article that frustrates me (your article makes no claims of either saying they've passed - you careful opted for saying that 'others' say they've passed); it's the articles claiming either Safari or Opera have completed it first or at all.
Neither side claim to have passed the test, but claim to have gotten 100/100 scores.
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|It's because (as it says right on the Acid3 page itself), to pass, a browser must not only display 100/100 but also smoothly animate the page's animations and display the page exactly, pixel-by-pixel, like the linked-to reference rendering.
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|..
Meh...
Wake me when one scores "Pink Elephant".
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|LOL! And good point!
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|They're all on acid.
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|It doesn't matter which browsers beta or nightly builds pass the test. It just matters that the released version does.
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|RTM is an illusion. There is no "released" version of any software. THat's just a name they give it when the marketing pukes decide to make it so. The pace may slow a bit, but the updates never stop.
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