Whilst I very much fancy the competition to Adobe's Flash Platform, my experience with Silverlight is most shadowed. The whole Microsoft logic that it stands for is just unacceptable. They don't even provide uninstaller, also, they force the upgrade by expiring the player (!). Plain craziness.

For those on a Mac, who agree, here's how to uninstall Silverlight: http://tekkie.flashbit.n...nd-how-to-get-rid-of-it

Somewhat related:

It looks as though Mono is outpacing Java on the Linux desktop. (SDtimes) Mono is the Novell funded Linux implementation of .NET.

Props to Angela/What's Next crew for hitting on that one.

I was waiting for you to post this....ROFL, like clockwork...

1) "There are no hard data on how many developers have installed Mono" - So how is it outpacing Java if there are no supporting numbers?
2) "MonoDevelop IDE is a more productive development environment than the version of Eclipse.." meaningless opinion
2) "Eclipse 3.1 lacks features that MonoDevelop has, including code completion, integrated debugging, refactoring, and unit testing capabilities" ROFL!!!!!! Obviously never used Eclipse as it has had all those features for many, many years, i can not even remember a version not having all those features.
3) "Most Java developers on Linux use JetBrains IntelliJ, he claimed. IntelliJ is a commercial product that is not open source. " ROFL, it keeps getting better. Based on what data?
4) "Eclipse packages are not maintained very actively in Debian" - Huh? Eclipse is not a Debian project...it is run by the Eclipse Foundation.
5) I can not be bothered to continue pointing out the absurdities in this drivel.

And best of all, he quotes well know Microsoft shills as the sources for the story, like Worthington. Imagine that...a Microsoft shill spreading lies and half truths about Java. I wish Microsoft would disclose how much money they spend on their propaganda campaigns, i bet it is in the 100's of millions

""The driver for Mono in Ubuntu is the set of applications, which are written in it. Since we think they're the best-in-class free software solutions, we want to make sure they are up to date and well integrated, and that drives Mono work," explained Mark Shuttleworth, founder of Canonical, the maker of the Ubuntu."

Must be a paid Microsoft shill, eh?

Again, reading comprehension is not your best suit. Did I say "all quotes" or just "quotes". Nice try, but you fail again. This is so much fun. My advice, would be to stop posting, take a deep breath, and get some counseling. All this rage you are harboring can not be healthy.

Hmmm...

The entire point of your post was to discredit the article through the implication that it was entirely ... how did you put it..."a Microsoft shill spreading lies and half truths about Java".

Ok...so one of the people quoted might be an MS shill. Hell, 90% of them could be for all I care.

The point you missed, of course, was the one quote I posted was from anything *but* a paid MS shill. I guess you're not too good at sarcasm. I'll add that to the list of things you're not too good at (perhaps I should just do a list of things you *are* good at...though it would be well..empty).

"I guess you're not too good at sarcasm"

There it is again, the sign of PC_Tool trying to back out of making a complete a$$ of him/herself. Of course we all know of your use of the "sarcasm" word.

Looks like this open source charts support Silverlight 3. http://www.visifire.com/...-supports-silverlight-3/

I see it's compressed with 7-Zip. :-)

Hey, it is another proprietary plug-in from the king of proprietary, non-standard, patent encumbered, super expensive software. Wow, it can now do H.264, which there are already proprietary plug-ins which support it. Why does this exist? Oh yeah, Microsoft is trying to Balkanize the web with their proprietary crap.

Why doesn't Microsoft support web standards? Why do they score by far the lowest on the Acid tests? Why is their Javascript performance by far the worst? Why do they sabotage the evolution of JavaScript? Why do they sabotage the evolution of HTML 5?

Waiting for PC_Tool to go off topic about some non-sense.....

Is it really off-topic quoting your ignorance regarding Silverlight?

I mean, really... You've already proven beyond all doubt that you don't even know what it *is*...and yet here you are. Whining and BSing about a product you are utterly clueless about.

Quote fatty:
"Microsoft only develops the runtime for Windows and OSX. If you are dumb enough to want to use Silverturd, you have only one choice, use Microsofts IDE, OS, Servers, etc..."

Betanews Topic: Microsoft: The real Silverlight premier is now.

or...

"How do i deploy a Silvertud site on OSX Server or Solaris or Linux...you know, real server OSes?"

Betanews Topic: Firefox 3.5 is live!

Yeah. Tell us again how it can only be developed using Microsoft IDEs (link to Eclipse4sl, Open source development platform for Silverlight on Windows and Mac) or how it can only be run on Microsoft servers (link to MSDN article regarding hosting Silverlight on Apache, IIS, lighttpd and Sun Java System Web Server)...

Good job, fatty. Proving to everyone here beyond all doubt that you're an idiot can't be an easy thing to do, but you've accomplished it! Congratulations!

1) Does Microsoft only develop a runtime for Windows and OSX? Yes.
2) Does Microsoft develop an IDE for OSX or Linux? No. (let me spell it out for you...) You have to run Windows
3) Asking How, does not say you can't. But, in your wacko deranged world i guess someone asking "how" is the same as saying you "can't". LOL. Drop out of school or something?

So what is your nerd rage about exactly? I own you dude. I have you so worked up, it is hilarious. Look at you, you spend your day digging through old posts trying to find something to pin on an anonymous internet poster who has you all worked up. ROFL....this is great.

"1) Does Microsoft only develop a runtime for Windows and OSX? Yes"

Do others develop a runtime for Linux? Yes. So your nerd rage is about what, exactly?

"2) Does Microsoft develop an IDE for OSX or Linux? No. (let me spell it out for you...) You have to run Windows"

Um..no. You don't. The Eclipse4sl IDE runs in both Windows and OS X and is open source.

"3) Asking How, does not say you can't"

...and I quote:

" If you are dumb enough to want to use Silverturd, you have only one choice, use Microsofts IDE, OS, Servers, etc..."

Not seeing a "how" there, bud. (but considering that on the server it is simply HTML, XAML, and javascript being rendered, the answer to "how" is "just like any other webpage"...which you'd know if knew anything about this product)

Keep up the entertainment. (What you call "nerd rage")

(BTW: Searching your posts takes about 2 seconds on Google, dude. Although it is arguable that even 2 seconds is more than you are worth, the entertainment value you provide makes up for it)

1) Again, you do not understand english. Am i saying something incorrect? Yes or no question...does Microsoft develop a runtime for Linux?
2) Again, you do not understand english. Am i saying something incorrect? Yes or no question...does Microsoft develop an IDE for OSX or Linux?
3) you use my #2 as your new #3. That is okay...first rule of debate is to change topics when you are losing, so at least you know you are losing.

It is pretty entertaining. I honestly don't know why you bother PC...it's obvious this guy has no clue what he's talking about and his uninformed anti-MS bias will obviously never change. I really don't bother reading his posts because it's pointless, but I do enjoy reading them when you respond because it does provide some comic relief to watch him embarrass himself.

On one hand I want to say not to bother with his posts, but on the other hand it's funny to read...so I don't know, keep it up I guess. :)

*laughing*

Okay, fool. That's good. Playing with words (and confusing 3 with....3?) might get you off the hook with a few of the folks here who are as utterly clueless as you. No problem.

Facts: Runtimes exist in all 3 major platforms. IDE's exist in 2, one of which is open source, meaning it can be done for the 3rd easily enough. It can be hosted on any server that supports HTML, XAML, and javascript.

You can worm your way around it by playing with words all you want, it just boils down to the fact that you whine that Microsoft controls all the runtimes, IDEs and servers it can be developed, used, or hosted on and then turn around and you whine that the alternatives to Microsoft's tools aren't...Microsoft's.

Apparently, the circus of "dumb" just never ends with you. I am sure you'll happily sit here all day arguing about wording and flipping on what it is exactly you're whining about trying to claw your way back out of the hole... Ok. I'm up for it. It's Friday...a little entertainment won't hurt.

This will be my last post here, as you are clearly just trolling and can not be this dumb. Feel free to mince words and go off topic like you always do, but facts are facts, as i have always stated

1) Silverturd is a proprietary, non-standard, patent encumbered, Microsoft technology
2) Silverturd is not cross platform; Microsoft _only_ develops the runtime on Windows and OSX, with no GNU/Linux runtime. Wonder why they do not support GNU/Linux? Probably same reason they can not implement a couple of HTML tags for HTML 5 which Google, Opera, Apple, and Mozilla can.
3) Microsoft only makes development tools for Windows, so therefore you have to run a super expensive Windows OS...desktop or server

Notice, I never said there were no other half-baked, legally highly questionable versions of this Microsoft proprietary, non-standard, patent encumbered, single vendor controlled product. Safe to say for those keep score at home: Fatty 1, PC_Tool 0

So your points boil down to:

1.) Microsoft has patents...just like Apple does.
2.) More than one platform doesn't equal cross platform (ain't he cute, folks?)
3.) Microsoft makes tools for their OS/API/platforms.

Yep. Wow, that's some harsh stuff there, man. Let me respond with:

Patents aren't bad.
Plugins exist on multiple platforms.
Microsoft doesn't control the platform from end to end. It can be developed, hosted, and used with products *other* than those created by Microsoft. Your whining about "half-baked, legally questionable" having no more credibility than your assertion quoted above that there is only one choice for IDE, OS or server.

Score that however you like, fathead.

"2) Silverturd is not cross platform; Microsoft _only_ develops the runtime on Windows and OSX"...

First you claim that it's not cross platform and then you mention that it runs on two platforms. STFU, idiot!

all this and what makes Adobes software any better than what Microsoft can and has come up with? seems to me, from looking at it that Silverlight now trumps other offerings

i don't get fattys argument... at all, what just because it wasn't widely adopted overnight nobody should give it a shot? nothing adobe pushed out there was adopted overnight either let me tell you

Just d/led silverlight with FFand my house didn't burn down or the computer didn't catch fire. sure if you use ms update through control panel, it will use apis or dlls from IE but this didn't need either.
Let's get over the Bs of the browser and OS wars and get back to real life. oh and pages look just fine whether FF or IE8 so screw the acid 3 test.
Why not talk about tech as it relates to what is going on in real life

does this mean Netflix will stream higher quality movies now?

I hope so. I'm waiting on Netflix to offer an "HQ" mode similar to YouTube or Hulu.

believe so, and more efficient streaming

I'll just wait for the inevitable push on WSUS. Isn't Silverlight considered DOA since MLB dumped them?

Alas Sky (satellite TV in the UK) use it on their streaming service.

Since when has Silverlight been pushed?

I believe one of their statements when they first created it was that they would *never* make this an "update".

The full install has long been published on Windows Update as "optional" (meaning a user must manually go to the site and choose to include it, but that's as easy as "Select All").

WSUS can push updates to WSUS clients which it detects as having an older version installed, subject to the WSUS administrator's product selection options and auto-approve rules. Here again, there are many instances where someone lazy has simply decided to check all the checkboxes. Like the infomercial slogan goes, "Set it and forget it!"

Checked it out.

Yeah, the plugin is there, unchecked. I could have sworn they said something about it when they first released it, but...can't find squat about it (Google, you have failed me!).

Well, unchecked is still good. Makes it easier for admins to push it if they want to and still pretty hard for the "click it" crowd to accidentally install it (since they'd have to delve into the custom updates instead of just clicking next...)

"they still require some type of browser intervention -- and by default (or by design, depending on your point of view), this means Internet Explorer."

"So a browser-independent Silverlight isn't just a design innovation but an urgent necessity."

Scott...

Firefox, Safari, and Chrome have supported Silverlight 2.0 since at least October 14th of 2008.

Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/m...x-safari-and-chrome.ars

Sheesh...

hey 3 is in my firefox as well, go figure :P

Hooray! It hasn't broken any of the sites that have decided they want to use it for me.