RSSSony Quietly Delays Blu-ray Player Again
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published October 20, 2006, 12:32 PM
As members of the AV Science Forum were the first to discover yesterday, Sony has once again pushed back its estimate of availability for its first wave of Blu-ray Disc player consoles, the BDP-S1.
According to the company's SonyStyle Web site, US customers should expect to see the player on December 4, with MSRP remaining set at $999.95 USD. The BDP-S1 had been slated for release next week.
As one member of the Forum put it, "Who here really believes that this is finally the real ship date?"
This latest delay is critical, particularly because many studios have BD-based movies already shrink-wrapped and ready to ship, although they've been basing their availability schedule on Sony's timetable. With this delay, the PlayStation 3 -- still scheduled for limited release in North America and Japan next month -- regains its position as the premiere vehicle for Sony-branded Blu-ray players.
The spotlight on PS3 as a Blu-ray player has dimmed a little, however, in the wake of competition which ended up beating Sony to market. While Pioneer's Elite line of BD players has been delayed until after the holiday season altogether (January at the earliest), Samsung's BDP-1000 and Panasonic's DMP-BD10 are now the only Blu-ray players at least relatively widely available in North America. Meanwhile, HD DVD players from Toshiba and others are reportedly already preparing for their second generation.
Besides being Blu-ray's principal architect, supporter and champion, Sony is one of the main suppliers of blue-laser diodes to BD component manufacturers, itself included. Problems with diode production are being blamed for shortages in already released Blu-ray components in Europe, as well as the delay of PS3's release there.
Yet although the blue laser diode used in Blu-ray is essentially the same, if not identical, to that used in HD DVD, since Sony may not be a major supplier of diodes to HD DVD manufacturers, they are apparently less impacted by these shortages. Still, HD DVD suppliers aren't immune to shortages, as evidenced as far back as last August, when component manufacturers throughout Asia stated they may be willing to "freeze competition" between HD DVD and Blu-ray until shortage issues could be ironed out.
DaveBG posted hid Google Fights link to compare HD-DVD and Blu-Ray but he left out the dash in HD-DVD to tip the results his way.
If you type the formats in properly the actual results are clear.
http://www.googlefight.c...D-DVD&word2=Blu-Ray
What a loser, he has to rig a site to make Blu-Ray look better than HD-DVD.
Once again DaveBG, you are screwed
www.thedvdwars.com
The numbers don't lie
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|SONY Soon.....Only Not Yet
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|I knew DaveBG would stick his big nose in this topic. The only people b****ing about either format are the early adopters that feel they got screwed because newer players are already coming out, some much later *cough* SONY, than others.
One of them is going away and this Christmas will be the dagger.
I will continue to post the link to www.thedvdwars.com because it's factual, there is nothing stronger than the truth. But people like DaveBG dont want to hear the truth, just that the format he chose is better.
The consumers have spoken so far, and BD is getting it's a** kicked in sales versus HD-DVD. I really don't care, I will buy both players if I have to but you can almost feel the tension in DaveBG's post because he refuses to believe that BD is way, way behind in sales.
I still feel the VC-1 codec, which Sony/BD has now switched to, is the better way to go. Hopefully BD will be free of the artifacts that plague the picture right now.
DaveBG must have spent his last $1000.00 dollars on a BD player and is now pissed because the format is failing, so far.
He knows I'm right, and I cant wait to see his reply.
again www.thedvdwars.com see the facts, don't listen to opinion.
Average sales rankings as of today (movies)
Blu-Ray = 5108
HD-DVD = 678
Thats no BS, right DaveBG?
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|If I was in charge of the next new thing in entertainment, I definitely would not have improved on an already existing technology. I would have skipped ahead and made a disc of glass of roughly hexagonal shape, about 2.5 inches across and .5 inches deep. It would store information using the positioning of two lasers focusing on bubbles within the three dimensional space of the glass. Hopefully the disc will attain the ability to store 1 terabyte of data.
Maybe this idea is CRAP. Please tell me if it is a good idea or not.
Never argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
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|almost,
still need a way to reflect the laser back to something that can read it.
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|Don't forget the need for a scratch resistant surface, and some shatterproofing. Oh, and if we want something writeable, the lasers will have to generate a significant amount of heat. Also, the reading lasers, or their beams at least, will need to be projected/read from multiple angles to determine where the bubbles are. (Don't forget the supercomputer needed to extract those bits from the scan data in realtime.)
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|BUILD YOUR OWN!!
Seriously. I recommend waiting for a suitable Blu-Ray video card (HDMI/HDCP) and player to become available at a reasonable price then build your own HTPC.
Once the ability to do this is available, better cases and motherboards optimized for this will be available. This will enable for a great deal of flexibility, quality should be at least as good as the best player and fixing it when necessary will be basic troubleshooting and replacement of off-the-shelf parts, most of which should drop in price.
You can also copy all your DVD's, compressed movies, MP3's etc to your local hard drive and have instant and remote access (via wirelss) to your entire collection. Hopefully a good Universal HTPC remote will materialize.
I will be building an HTPC instead of buying a standalone player.
(I'd love to see Sony put out a combo PS3version2/PC which comes basically as a PS3 but with PC expansion slots and a CPU slot.)
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|What I want to know is, why are these next generation players (both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) bigger in size than my VCR from 15 years ago?! Seriously, I saw a couple of them on display at Best Buy. These things are HUGE. They could easily crush a small child.
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|I have no Idea why the home entertainment ones are so large, but the internal ones for the pc look a bit deep but otherwise normal to me, the only reason I could think of is maybe extra cooling?
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|You sir are retarded, if you've been having problems with gateway for so many g** d*** years why the F**K does your retarded a** keep going back to them like a little b****, then whine and complain when they screw you AGAIN...
STOP posting this mother effin link on all the posts here before someone finds your whiney old fart ass, slits your throat and watches the dust come out.
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|SONY = Soon..... Only Not Yet
I can't wait for the fanboy DaveBG to come in here and shoot his big mouth off.
Want to see the BD vs HD-DVD facts.
www.thedvdwars.com
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|Swallow this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6069478.stm :)
And stop showing off this hd dvd fanboy site!
http://foxbd.com it the real thing!
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|Those are sales figures directly from Amazon you idiot, or are you saying Amazon.com is a fanboy site?
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|Where did the players category gone, fanboy? They deleted it! You are more than a idiot now! A lot more :D
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|Click on "All Blu-Rays and Players" right there at the top.
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|The point is that the chart is gone. No one can see that there are more devices for Blu-Ray.
Also the list of HD DVD shows preordered devices but Sony player (also preorder) is not shown. This hurts Blu-Ray. There are even more Blu-Ray devices and movies but they do not count them, where all HD DVD preordered things are present.
Fanboy site.
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|They gave a valid reason for removing the chart if you had bothered to read the forum there. The number of players doesn't mean jack squat anyway, that doesn't show how many of them are selling. As for calling it a fanboy site that's very amusing comeing from a raving fanboy zealot like yourself. They showed Blu-Ray winning in all the price comparisons for months and months until the price of HD-DVD went down. "Boo hoo, this site is telling the truth. They must be biased!" lol
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|And what about the missing Blu-Ray devices and titles?
I bet when PS3 sells 400 000 consoles it wont be shown there! If they do show it, i will change my opinion on this site.
I hope you have Toshiba player and i hope you are going to get the HD DVD addon :) This will be your lesson wich (as i see) you have to learn this time! Happy glitching then!
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|If Blu-Ray was winning in sales you would be praising that site, but since it's losing you call it a fanboy site. In other words you're full of crap. Oh and the PS3 isn't going to be used by everyone who buys one to watch movies. It's primarily a game console and that's what it's going to be used for.
I don't have any player, other than a regular DVD. If I did have a Toshiba or an HD-DVD addon I don't see why that would be bad. What glitching? Now you're just talking out of your fanboy ass. I'm not for either side, just trying to maintain the facts. Unlike you. Right now the fact is that HD-DVD is winning. No one knows yet what will happen in the future, no not even you.
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|"It's primarily a game console and that's what it's going to be used for."
that's just your opinion.
unless you're an authentic fortune teller.
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|It's not a game console? LOL.
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|it's not a movie player? LOL
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|DaveBG,
You are a complete idiot. There was nothing in that article that claimed one format was better than the other.
www.thedvdwars.com
It's getting worse for Blu-Ray every day.
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|Sony are going down big time, poor bas****s..
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|And to think folks here are still debating which HD format is "ahead".
How can you have such a contest or a debate when only one format is real and the other is still vaporware?
But leave it to the idjets on BetaNews to show us how it can be done!
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|I think you got in line twice when they were handing out the "obnoxious" gene.
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|Poor baby, have you figured out what thin-film photovoltaics are yet?
Tell us about your $1 per gallon gas equivalent hydrogen why not requiring additional energy inputs. Which, even if all of the farmland in the US were dedicated to it would, in its most efficient form, only product 12% of the required supply for gasoline substitute as ethanol - and that does not even include diesel needs. And as hydrogen produces LESS energy than is required to produce it, hydrogen production would lower those efficiencies even more.
I wonder if you can spell "stupidity" as well as you can illustrate the principle?
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|Thanks for proving my point.
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|Keep attacking when you are not busy posting completely false BS.
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|You're not worth the keystrokes.
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|You repeatedly embody that.
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|"Sony Quietly Delays Blu-ray Player Again"
...and betanews loudly proclaims it to the world.
(it is permitted to laugh at jokes, by the way)
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|lol
(and i shall laugh at jokes i deem funny, like this one)
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|It's not delayed, the initial shipment is just sold out:
"I just got off the phone with SonyStyle customer service. They are still getting their shipment on October 25th, and people who have already preordered will be getting their orders sent out on schedule. The new availability date of December 4th, is for people who place new orders which will be filled when they get their next shippment."
Source: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=24527
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|The laser diodes are made on the same assembly line as their batteries and are experiencing overheating problems!!!
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|Ah yes, time to consider adding another ring to this circus, folks. Sony strikes again in their seemingly endless Comedy of Errors.
If they act fast, they might be able to relegate this tech to the same status as all their other tech...niche and proprietary....if they're lucky.
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|with all the financial trouble Sony is in they decide to delay one of there big products. Nice. Also after reading the part where they said HD DVD will be coming out with there 2nd generation players soon. man that might seal the end for blu ray but we will see
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|People do spout crap here. The diodes on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are different, The Numerical Aperture on Blu-Ray is higher, meaning it can focus on smaller surface pits, which means higher data density, thus 50GB instead of 30GB.
Just because the diode is blue, does not mean Blu-Ray and HD-DVD share the same laser diode..
As for Sony's shortage of BDP-S1, Because demand would have been low anyway, they should have just made 1000 units, and have availbility problems, rather than delaying, less bad press. Bad press is what Sony don't need at the moment...
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|the diodes on blu-ray and hddvd ARE the same.
you said it yourself, the only difference is the aperture.
think of it in digital camera terms, the ccd size really has nothing to do with the aperture's focus ability.
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|"People do spout crap here."
Funny you should say that and then proceed to do the very same yourself. The diodes ARE the same. The aperture of the lens has nothing to do with the diodes.
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|LOL
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|"People do spout crap here."
Are you kidding me. There is not a single person on this website that spouts out more crap than you.
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|"People do spout crap here."
And it's coming out of your ass.
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|Come on, people--no need to resort to personal attacks. Besides, Mark adds some well-needed humor to this boring and endless sony vs. the world debate :D
Seriously, though, cut the guy some slack guys.
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|Everyone who replied negatively to this needs to STFU. I can think of many MANY others who post more crap on here.
Even though I disagree with some of his opinions, Mark makes sensible posts without attacking anyone. Get over your pathetic selves.
You're right about the demand angle Mark. By creating more demand, Sony might actually help Blu-Ray's overall acceptance.
I hope that doesn't happen though. =p
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|"Mark makes sensible posts without attacking anyone"
"People do spout crap here"
Hmm....ok...Guess that wasn't attacking anyone...
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|Did he say any names? Was he talking to you?
That was a very general comment. Hell, I say crap like that all the time about the people wasting my time with their worthless comments. At least Mark has something to say when he posts a comment.
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|Has something to say. LMAO!!! I can pretty muchly always prove everything that comes out of his mouth wrong every single time. Want to know why? Because it is all CRAP.
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|Amazing! You add absolutely NOTHING of substance while ONLY attacking others!
Every post on this thread of yours simply whines about other while your posts all exhibit the very trait you whine about.
But I guess you are a bit gun shy after proving that you do indeed have no insight nor understanding of thin-film photovoltaics after attacking them in your substantial ignorance as you claimed that hydrogen can be produced for $1 per gallon gas equivalent with absolutely with no emissions from biomass. If ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy simpleton.
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|OMG. You are so annoying.
Here you go:
http://www.popularmechan...try/4199381.html?page=3
Look at the chart at the bottom of the page.
I apologize because I did get the number wrong. It's $1.90 per GGE. I remembered the number right next to it by mistake.
Will you shutup now?
Somehow, I doubt it. Oh well, I'm not wasting my time with you anymore.
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|Every post on this thread of yours simply whines about other while your posts all exhibit the very trait you whine about.
Hmm, what's the word I am looking for here? "Irony"? Close put probably not. I think it begins with an "H". Hmm, "hypo"-something. Oh well, I am sure someone here can think of it.
But I guess you are a bit gun shy after proving that you do indeed have no insight nor understanding of thin-film photovoltaics...
Aside from the vague relation via photovoltaics, what would a person's knowledge of the current state of solar energy have to do with the said person's knowledge of current state of the development of new optical-media-based entertainment technology? Or are you just not ready to let that one go? "Ack, he might be right on this! I have to remind everyone that he has been wrong or at least mistaken before!"
You add absolutely NOTHING of substance while ONLY attacking others!
I think what wincemeat was trying to point out is this. While Mark may spout things many here consider nonsense or blind fandom, he does so in a civil manner and rarely (if ever) resorts to name calling or insinuations of mental retardation others cannot hold themselves back from typing.
Now, what was that word I was looking for...?
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