Hahaha!

I knew someone would eventually tie an upgraded HD into some relationship with DRM!

AACS was never intended as a static DRM schema and was designed to be dynamic from inception. Therefore any modifications to the DRM schema are entirely in keeping with the agile system they initially envisioned.

If you don't like DRM, don't buy it. Isn't that Simple!???

But laying on the floor and kicking and screaming does nothing - well, except provide for our entertainment!

Yawn..........

All those Blu-ray fanboys will no doubt enjoy this -

The Blu-ray Disc Association has announced that following breaches of the security of the high-definition format's AACS security technology, it has brought forward the planned release date of the BD-Plus (BD+), a more advanced anti-copying system.
BD+ is an entirely different encryption system to AACS. Instead of each movie having the same encryption key, BD+ allows each disc to install a small piece of encryption software on a player, so that each disc has its own key.

A method for extracting Blu-ray keys was published in January (the rival HD DVD format, which also uses AACS, had already been cracked). As a result, the AACS licensing body last week released a security update that supplied new encryption keys for the affected discs. However this means that existing discs can no longer be played until the update is applied.

BD+ would avoid this scenario, by applying the DRM to individual discs rather than movie titles. This allows a single disc to be rejected if it is anyone attempts to play it in a second player or PC. This, says the association, effectively punishes the person stealing the content instead of everyone who owns that movie.

However, because discs are tied to a specific player you will not be able to sell them on once you have tired of them: no BD+ Blu-ray on eBay. It is also likely to make it impossible to create back-up copies of discs.

The Blu-ray Disc Association reports that player compatibility testing has ended and that studios have had test discs for the last few months. Once BD+ is available it will add between seven to 28 days per title to production time. 20th Century Fox is expected to be one of the firsts to implement this new technology, having slowed disc production since the attacks on AACS, and Sony Pictures is planning to be using it by the end of the year.

http://www.computerbuyer.co.uk/

- Clearly they're crazy and have totally flipped.

There goes any sense of 'fair use' or 'managed copy'. Thanks guys, not.

The DRM issue (ironically just as others begin the move away from this pointless, expensive and sales damaging stupidity) is reason enough on it's own to look forward to the day when Bluray is merely a PS3 proprietary format (as UMD is to PSP).

Blu-ray?
Just say no.

Nice FUD your spreading there.... People who can't be bothered to go to the link and read for themselves, might actually believe the tripe your posting..

The original article, without your FUD additions:


Blu-ray accelerates introduction of new DRM technology 8:25AM, Monday 16th April 2007

The Blu-ray Disc Association has announced that following breaches of the security of the high-definition format's AACS security technology, it has brought forward the planned release date of the BD-Plus (BD+), a more advanced anti-copying system.

BD+ is an entirely different encryption system to AACS. Instead of each movie having the same encryption key, BD+ allows each disc to install a small piece of encryption software on a player, so that each disc has its own key.

A method for extracting Blu-ray keys was published in January (the rival HD DVD format, which also uses AACS, had already been cracked). As a result, the AACS licensing body last week released a security update that supplied new encryption keys for the affected discs. However this means that existing discs can no longer be played until the update is applied.

BD+ would avoid this scenario, by applying the DRM to individual discs rather than movie titles.

The Blu-ray Disc Association reports that player compatibility testing has ended and that studios have had test discs for the last few months.

Once BD+ is available it will add between seven to 28 days per title to production time. 20th Century Fox is expected to be one of the firsts to implement this new technology, having slowed disc production since the attacks on AACS, and Sony Pictures is planning to be using it by the end of the year.

You really should stop making yourself look an ass... How on earth would the movie rental industry work, if this system was true? It would also mean that the Blu-Ray players would need a capability to be able to write to the Blu-Ray disks themselves to prevent you moving the disk between players. This is obviously NOT the case, and your just spreading desperate HD-DVD fanboy tripe.

Actually the 'arse' here is you.

If you go to the site and read the comments you'll find the author there openly saying that they have amended the article.

I did not add or remove anything.

The author had this to say (same link, in the comments section of the article) -

We decided that it isn't entirely clear what the implications are in this respect. I'm trying to get clarification but as I currently understand it that statement was inaccurate. We shall see.

Apologies.

.....and for all your own obvious 'fanboy-ism' there is still plenty in the whole Blu-ray DRM subject to warrant people steering well clear of it.

It is a wholly private series of changeable specs and basically they can do whatever the hell they like when they choose to.

It is all about serving the interests of 'the industry' and not those of the consumer.

If that sits well with you then go for it.

Sorry to shoot down your own BD "fanboy tripe".....what is it with you BD types?
The infantile lack of respect for any contrary view and the rush to attempt to bully you guys demonstrate time after time on these pages is staggeringly sad.

You were dumb enough to simply post it without thinking about how they would implement a disk locking to player scheme.

Even an idiot can work out, that you need writable media to achieve this (or network conectivity) Isolated players with no way of communicating would be unable to implement any kind of locking scheme...

You were just being a ranting fanboy and got caught out. The fact you havn't edited your original article, further enforces this...

Give it up Steve, you just got caught out trying to claim I had invented the bits you didn't like.

Your own paranoia (and mentality) laid bare for all to see.

How sad, you know I actually feel sorry for you.

(.....and why the hell would I bother to change the original post now that you posted the amended version already?)

The fact is, the only people worried about DRM, as the media pirates who want stuff for free.

DRM does benefit the honest consumer, in that making it tricky for the pirates, forces them to buy disks like the rest of us, hence increasing sales and driving down prices.

Give it up Steve.

DRM simply adds layer upon layer of clunky unnecessary, expensive & anti-consumer software which adds to everybodies' problems with this stuff.
It makes hardware unreliable, expensive and obsolete before its time.

In fact it actually makes piracy more attractive to a wider audience than would otherwise have been the case.

But you can continue suck up your rather childish 'Polly-Anna' version of economics and how corporations behave if you like.

Carry on 'loving' CE corporations, eh?.

I'd love to hear how DRM makes hardware more unreliable?

Well it remains to be seen, if it was the author of the original article editing it, and posting in the comments, or someone else posting after getting caught out.

Either way, the fact you jumped on it, posted it here in it's entirety, without a thought to how much sense it didn't make, simply shows you as being the fanboy here...

See the reason you get harassed is you can never be the bigger person you still have to insult people, your as bad as the fanboys you flame

No Steve, what is so risibly tragic here is your defense of DRM and your willful insistance that being anti-DRM - and anti-DRM as it is found in BD where it has reached a level not seen before - makes anybody a 'fanboy'.

Read the comments section if you like, the name is clear enough, it was the author posting after they had edited their article......or is your paranoia so laughably intense that you now want to insist that it was, maybe, 'someone else'?

Well of course Steve, adding layer upon layer of ever more complex so-called 'security' is just great as far as you're concerned and never affected anything ever.

Keep taking the meds.

Its called the rootkit fiasco that had unexpected results after being installed on pcs by Sony. How soon people forget about the rootkit issue.

I thought the Sony rookit affected software on a couple of hundred PC's

it also affected cd rom drives as well

Seems like you don't quite know all you thought Steve, your "even an idiot" comment is quite wrong in fact.....

Sony patents anti-rental tech
Could be used in PlayStation 3, Blu-ray
By George T. Chronis 11/14/2005
NOV. 10 | It recently came to light that Sony Computer Entertainment received a U.S. patent exactly one year before on a one-system-one-disc technology that renders movie or game discs useless on more than one playback unit. If implemented, the technology would prevent affected discs from being rented or resold.

There is no evidence that the technology is slated for SCE's PlayStation 3, yet the digital rights management scheme has far-reaching implications for the video rental industry.

The patent describes a process by which every media disc is shipped with a unique registration key. The first time the media disc is inserted into a player, that key is read and the disc is registered by the player, then the original key on the disc is rendered unreadable. Any attempt to play a registered disc in another player will fail.

The PS3 will be equipped with the same Blu-ray disc drive hardware Sony intends to use in its consumer Blu-ray players. If the one-system-one-disc technology is added to Blu-ray drives on the PS3, the same easily could be done with consumer Blu-ray players and computer Blu-ray disc drives.

http://www.videobusiness.../article/CA6283697.html

- But nevermind eh?

It's all just made up by the anti-Sony crowd, it'll never happen (just like those nice guys never really did the root kit fiasco too), fingers in ears, eyes closed and shout 'la la la la la la la la la la etc etc'.

Why not, you know it all, other posters here 'doctor' quotes from know and well respected sites (even tho they post the links for anyone to check) and only an idiot would think otherwise, right?

Where'd that resident 'know all' go then, huh?

Goodbuye Steve.

:lol:

"Very different..strategies"?
Quite the contrary.

Both platforms are evolving to integrate greater capacity components as these components become lower cost commodity items.

And the fact that some of these features are being offered as a limited upgrade and both version s are being offered during a transitional period so as not to immediately create the perception of obsolescence of the older model is simply common sense as they transition to the new versions.

I suspect that this process will be the norm rather than an exception. And we should expect it as well.

I am rather surprised at the amazement on the part of many and the attempts to enter into some partisan debate.

Technology progresses, and costs come down. Rather than be amazed or to find fault with a company for implementing changes, I would be disappointed if any of the platforms failed to take advantage of this pattern.

Seems Microsoft's strategy and Sony's strategy are very different.

Microsft are flooding the market with different models of 360, and upgrading the model year on year, with new and different moels.

Sony are now back to the single PS3 strategy. I wonder if Sony tricked Microsoft into making this obvious mistake...

There are only two models of the 360 now, hardly flooding the market. Don't be surprised when Sony introduces a new higher end PS3 either. Sony regularly comes out with new versions of their console. How many PS2 models have there been now? No offense but your post smacks of ignorance and desperation.

Core, Premium, Elite..

Did you skip school or something?

"There are only two models of the 360 now, "

Hmm, I can count 3.. Let me give you a hand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Count

1 360 model, hahaha
2 360 model, hahaha
3 360 model, hahaha

I love to count....

I thought the core was discontinued. My mistake but that is still not exactly flooding the market or a mistake. Last time I checked the 360 was a successful console. The PS3, not so much.

You know...I read this article the other day and it stirred some thoughts. http://www.playstatic.com/news/408 Ok lets say the non-gamer people start going out and buying a PS3 instead of a Blu-Ray player like all the Sony fans keep suggesting. Ok Sony takes a rather large loss on every PS3 they sell. So what happens whenever people start buying the console and not buying the games? Oops...where'd the profit go. Also considering that they allow you to install an OS they are potentially making it easier for the pirates to hack the system. There goes some more game sales...I think competition is good which is why I am kind of worried about what I stated above. Anybody have some thoughts on this?

Your commments make it obvious you don't understand the technical aspects.

Linux on PS3 runs in a hypervisor, so even Linux cannot access the PS3 game partiton or selected hardware.

Also as Sony are a Blu-Ray founding member, they get money from Blu-Ray movie sales.

It's a win/win for Sony, they make money on movies and games...

Why do you always have to put people down. He just asked a simple question politely and your like you must be retarded, you obviously don’t understand (which why do you think he asked the question in the first place?).

I’m sure though that allowing the PS3 to run Linux didn’t help stop pirates. There’s a lot of good crackers out there (ummm, as in hackers ;)

Someone else who doesn't understand what a hypervisor is, and how they work...

If man can put it together...Man can take it apart. Also do you honestly believe that they can recover that large of a loss from a few Blu-Ray sales?

Someone else who doesn't understand my comment...

I never understood why they made a model with 20GB HDD in it anyway. I mean these days a 20GB drive is practically worthless as it has nowhere near the space people require.

The only reason they are ditching the 20 gig model is that having 3 versions of the ps3 when they can't even sell one model doesn't make any sense.

The PS3 is selling. The current 60GB model will become the "low end" version once they release the next version with even more capacity.

this "low end" version already too expensive for most of everyone. I am wondering what is their "high end" version going to cost.

The PS3 is a flop, this is just a desperate attempt by Sony to cut their manufacturing costs. This console is bleeding them to death cashwise.

"The PS3 is a flop,"

Your deluding yourself i you actually believe this.

Sales are 3.15 million since Novemver, that's 1/3rd of the 360 sales that's Microsoft have acculumated in 16 months, in a mere 5 months.

The gap is closing very quickly, 360 sales are stagnent (hence the launch of the Elite),

The PS3 has sold more consoles in it's first 4 months, that the 360 sold in it's 4 months...

By your definition, the 360 must be a really bad flop.. It's even been suggested that at least 1.5 million of Microsoft's 9.6 million 360 sales are replacement consoles for failed units, as gamestop certainly register replacements are new units!

And the downside is?

So they upgrade components as the larger capacities assume a mainstream commodity role?

Wow! What a concept. Perhaps the first thing Sony has done that makes sense.

This should really confuse the masses. Especially as it is not another article of features and capabilities being cut. No wonder its a feature article!

But they had best be careful, or the rest of the industry will copy this concept...Oh...wait..it is already the norm. Yawn.

"But they had best be careful, or the rest of the industry will copy this concept...Oh...wait..it is already the norm. Yawn. "

Like the 360 Core, 360 Premium and 360 Elite?

"
So they upgrade components as the larger capacities assume a mainstream commodity role?"

Upgrading to slower drives? Ya that makes sense...

"Upgrading to slower drives? Ya that makes sense..."

Yup! Go look at standard laptop HD options. Unfortunately you normally get slightly lower speeds for higher capacity drives!

"Like the 360 Core, 360 Premium and 360 Elite?"

Poor baby! ...Just like in computers regarding CPUs, hard drives, CD/DVD RW speeds, and every other component.

Only fanboys can turn a platform independent industry norm into a partisan hallucination.

Years ago I was saying console makers need to upgrade their consoles gradually.

By the time the PS4 comes out the last revision of the PS3 should be far superior to it's 20 and 60GB initial release. Sony and Microsoft gain from the continual upgrades in new unit sales (people upgrade to the better console) and lower hardware costs.

"Only fanboys can..."

Wow, someone agrees with you and you start to label him. You need better friend or foe indicators. :)

Changing console specs is a bad thing, it's a moving target for developers, and Sony know this.

The PS3 won't change, in anything but areas that don't matter (HDD size is a good example). A developer cares not if there is 20GB or 200GB available.

Both platforms will upgrade components as the cost of components with increasing capabilities drop!

It has NOTHING to do with which platform is involved.

Nor does it have anything to do with Sony versus MS. It is simply classical business strategy. And it is a trait common to any competent business model.

Well, there is no 20GB model in Europe anyway, it's only the 60GB model.

In Europe it's sold over 1.1 million units in 3 weeks... Outselling the 360 in the UK, but still behind the WII.

Well, if you need one, they are sitting on shelves here.

In some places, not in others.

Mind you, everywhere I look, there are shelves stacked high of 360's gathering dust, so that console must be bombing even worse...

ROFL!!! The 360 has been out for over a year now. I think they have had plenty of times to stock the shelves. The 360 is outselling the PS3 right now so if the 360 is bombing then the PS3 must barely have a pulse...

Fact: The 360 is outselling the PS3 everywhere in the world except Japan (where the Wii is totally crushing everything). If the 360 is bombing, the PS3 is already in it's grave.

"Due to the overwhelming demand for the 60 GB model from both retailers and consumers,"

What overwhelming demand? Those things are begining to rust on store shelves here in NA. I was at best buy and I actually had to move some spider webs out of the way to realize it was a PS3 box I was looking at.

They compared the sales of the 60GB to the sales of the 20GB version. The difference is overwhelming. They did also sell out of PS3 units for a while even if that sold out status didn't last as long as they would have hoped.

Remember that companies don't operate in the here and now. They look at what happened in the previous 4 month period about 2 to 3 months ago. :)

Funny..

3.2 million consoles SOLD (not just shipped), over 1 million of those in Europe in a mere 3 weeks. Who says they arn't selling?

You're the only person that says the ARE selling.

I can make a product, put give best buy 10 of them, have them sell one, and then I can say "hey, it's selling!".

http://www.vgchartz.com/

That link shows that the PS3 is doing miserably and is far behind every other console as well as the DS and PSP. I wouldn't be using that to brag with myself.

Not that I would trust some lame site that spells charts with a z anyway.

To be honest, I think they should offer this 60GB, but also offer a much lower priced unit that does not include the Hard Drive. Sony has encouraged the PS3 owners to upgrade the Hard Drive on their own. You can get a 120GB Laptop Drive for under $100.

Sony, sell a Barebone System (Just no Hard Drive) for $399.

Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/slinkys_delsol/
BLOG: http://slinc.blogspot.com/

how much disk access could it possibly be utilizing for anything other than patches and save files?

its called cache u know reading ahead!!!
moron and sony sucks

finally someone say something!

I think everyone is tired from fighting in the last two Sony/Microsoft bashing threads. Betanews needs to space these things out more and give everyone a chance to recuperate.

DRM? Rootkits?

Game downloads from the PSN store? I have downloaded several large game demos and movies from the Euro PSN store.

I think anyone with a 20GB may get disappointed after a while running out of space, but the good point is, it's just a standard 2.5in SATA drive in there, behind a customer removable panel. Even the PS3 handbook tells you how to upgrade the PS3 HDD. Nice..

Well, Alex, with all due respect to everyone out there holding onto their clubs waiting for an opportunity, we really don't publish stories with an intent to create "bashing threads." Otherwise this would be a site devoted to things worth bashing, like racism, sexism, violence, poverty, and bureaucracy. Not technology.

-SF3

I was joking :P

I think he was joking too because technology is certainly worth bashing. Just look at the "will it blend" movies or the guys that collected hundreds of dollars to film the smashing of an Ipod in the Apple Store.

I don't own any of the new consoles, so, to some extend not a fanboy or hater of any of them. What I do notice though, is shops where I live (NW - UK) have loads of ps3s for sale, loads of "special deals" for ps3. a good stock of 360s and hardly any DS-lites or Wiis. Lots of shops have little noticed telling customer when the next nintendo delivery is due. So either nintendo are outselling everyone else, or they have supply problems.

But certainly, there is an (over) abundance of PS3s here. but to me, that is a price issue - it's very expensive