RSSThe Buzz: Vista Delayed, Again
By Ed Oswald | Published March 22, 2006, 1:15 PM
Microsoft delivered some not-so-shocking news Tuesday: there will be no Vista until 2007. While many had expected this, the company had been steadfast in its assurance that the next generation operating system would ship this year, even up until days before the announcement.
Here's what pundits and bloggers alike had to say about Vista's seemingly neverending delays. What do you think?
"Today, I wonder if Vista will ever ship. I don't mean a product called Vista. That's a near certainty that sometime in 2007 something called Vista will come out of Microsoft. But it's certainly not going to be the product that Microsoft described years ago when it was called Longhorn. Key features have been removed and the product has still slipped several times."
- Michael Gartenberg, Jupiter Research
"This could really put the chill on the PC industry, which has been counting on a Vista driven upgrade cycle. They say that the corporate version of the OS will ship on time. I wonder if that really means anything, given that corporate buyers are notoriously slow upgraders. What I find highly amusing, as pointed out by Paul Kedrosky, that a week ago Steve Ballmer was claiming Vista 2H 2006. What happened?" - Om Malik, Business 2.0
"Microsoft has delayed the shipment of Windows Vista to consumers until after the holiday shopping season. It's a smart move, given the products' importance and longevity - but disappointing and harmful to PC manufacturers, Intel, and retailers expecting a Q4 lift in PC sales. However, Intel gets an unexpected bonus: the opportunity to make Viiv the digital home brand that matters in 2006." - Paul Jackson and Ted Schadler, Forrester Research
"I can't imagine why any PC manufacturer wouldn't want to have Windows Vista systems to sell for the holidays. For if nothing else, they lose the benefit of massive Windows marketing, let alone a brand, new operating system to dress up PCs." - Joe Wilcox, Microsoft Monitor
"I've learned that dates in the software industry are likely to slip and I'm glad that our management is still paying more attention to product quality and customer and partner feedback than trying to meet some date. Yes, it's painful. Yes, it's embarrassing. But we have been through product slips before and I'd rather have a slipped date than a cruddy product." - Robert Scoble
"It certainly sounded like Microsoft leadership committed to us, our customers, our partners, and our shareholders that Vista would be out in 2006. Slip! We should have asked for more details around the "or else" part of that commitment. People need to be fired and moved out of Microsoft today. Where's the freakin' accountability?" - Mini-Microsoft, Web log of an anonymous Microsoft employee
It is time for Bill Gates to go along with Steve Ballmer. It is really a Shame how they run Microsoft. How many times do you have to delay a product before enough is enough?
I think MS needs an OS to compete with they seems to release products faster and more on time only if they are loseing market shares. They don't care about the end users at all.
Bill Gates anti-tabs IE 7 is not coming out early then Firefox took market shares and bam IE 7 beta pops up with promise of early release before vista and with tabs.
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|Those of you think that vista is based on windows server 2003 sp1 is dead wrong. It was, but they scraped it and went to xp sp2. If you don't believe me check out winsupersite and read it for yourself in some of the older reviews of longhorn. The latest incranation is a complete disappointment, considering what they were promising and what they will deliver someday is the same thing as promising you will take your son swimming at the park and getting out the plastic blow up one you had in the garage for 10 years. It is a total disappointment, it looks better they updated the programs namely ie7, all of which could or should of been done with a service pack and free updates, now hundreds of dollars, I can tell you I won't be upgrading I will switch to linux before I give ms anymore of my money, bunch of rip offs, lets put out betaware, and then charge people for the fixes, ohyeah and then blame the hackers for all the holes, instead of holding ourselves accountable. And then blame the fact our os is so popular on that as well.
The really sad thing is that as I said before they could delay vista forever, it won't hurt them in the least they are still making billions. They have lots practically no market share, in fact they are gaining. They still have no real competition. They are still buying everyone out, posting record number of profit, and all this while delaying their important products time after time. ie7 and vista are a perfect example of truely what a monopoly can do to a industry.
I hope they get some real competition soon, or the industry is practically dead, we will be using the same technology in a os for ever.
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Microsoft will be lucky to get Vista out by January ~2008~ !
Let's face it: With billions of dollars and tens of thousands of employees, Microsoft is a hapless giant incapable of getting products to market in a timely fashion.
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The Computer Rodent
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|As stated in other MS topics:
When you can rewrite an OS in under 6 years, get back to us. 'Til then...STFU.
Thanks!
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"When you can rewrite an OS in under 6 years, get back to us"
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With ~billions~ of dollar and tens of thousands of employees, anybody could have written three operating systems in THAT time !
Incompetents such as yourself excepted, of course.
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The Computer Rodent
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|Judging by XP 64 bit Pro - try supporting that first to show you can - or is Vista a fix on it? Try coming up with vendior support dfor drivers or even driver for the products you make MS. Took what a year for intellipoint? I for one will wait quite some time before upgrading to another version of MS BS.
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|Wake up, man.
1.) XP 64 was an interim solution, even from the beginning. Expecting full support from 3rd parties is asinine.
2.) Wionows Vista is *not* Windows XP, nor is it based upon it in any way. It is an update/rewrite based on Windows Server 2003 SP1.
3.) You will wait only until you need DX10, or you buy a new system after it's realese. At least try being realistic here, eh?
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|Sorry buddy you are wrong on your facts. Vista is based on Windows xp sp2. Read up on why that is, they couldnt get anything to work on 2003 2 years into the development. They had to scrap the entire project and start from scratch on xp sp2 and go from there. So yes it is technically xp 2.0. It's prettier, it has a flashy interface thats about it from what I seen, oh yeah they changed some icons around and added a sidebar like google desktop has oh yeah and they added a chess game. I bet we will see a hotfix on day 1 of release too.
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|Vista should've been called XP2 - except that would confuse people with XP SP2. But that's essentially what Vista will be - a new improved version of XP - it will not be some sort of new radical os.
"People need to be fired and moved out of Microsoft today. Where's the freakin' accountability?"
That guy said it all - nuff said.
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|Good morning.
"But that's essentially what Vista will be - a new improved version of XP"
Vista has *very* little to do with XP. In fact, it's based off of Windows 2003 SP1 code. But even then, many things have been completely rewritten. How the system handles Memory Heaping, the sound subsystem is no longer 16bit, etc...
Check it out:
"Why Windows Vista Won't Suck"
http://www.extremetech.c...2/0,1697,1931913,00.asp
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|you forgot the Graphics subsystem PC_Tool =)
Anyone who says vista is just XP 3.0 seriously needs to get their head examined. The OS is a total 180 on what XP is, a ton of new features and a more standardized Graphics API model.
DX10 is a huge step forward for the consumer. For a graphics chip to be DX10 certified it needs to meet a nice fat criteria of specs that will help standardize graphic requierments across the board and in turn help out the consumer when making decisions on that peripheral.
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|"Memory Heaping, the sound subsystem is no longer 16bit, etc..."
Did not. :P
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|of course its going to be delayed.
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|That's the problem with public ship dates. You may as well carve them into urinal mints.
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|Urinal Mints are so tasty. :D
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|I just gotta ask what brought that colorful comparison on...?
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|I think Vista is going to be a flop.
Whoopie big deal.
By the time it comes out nobody will care.
I sure don't care. XP does everything I need...and still gets in my way sometimes. :D
Last thing I need is more tooltips and wizards asking me things and telling me things.
Pfffffft.
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|And when there is a game you want to play that is vista only aware, let us know how you fare.
I agree--pertially. I won't be migrating for years, until at least the first SP is out, and then some. XP's support life is still going to be around until 2012, by my estimates, so it pays to wait until a possible vista replacement.
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|Show me a game that DOESN'T run on Windows 2000. Vista, there won't ever been games specifically designed for an OS. That would be lame. The game would then become dependent on OS/hardware.
So that vista aware game won't happen. It might work better or be optimized, but that will be 3 years down the road AFTER the releaase before that happens.
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|Well, let's see... maybe you will flop once you see the final code :)
and, if you don't like it, stop complaining and use something different.
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|I don't know how you worked out 2012. Microsoft plans to support XP "though the launch of Windows Vista" what this means we don't know for sure yet however you could be looking at the end of 2007 for end of life (except for critical updates). With full end of life around 2009.
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|If you like to run a solid code like Windows 2003, then you'll like Vista. It is not built on XP code but on Server 2003 code, which is much more secure, robust and scalable.
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|AFAIK Halo 2 will only run on DirectX 10 which in turn will only run on Windows Vista. I doubt many game developers will use DX10 only however I wouldn't put it past Microsoft Studios and they make games a lot of people want.
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|Eventually most games will be available in 64-bit versions only and since Windows XP x64 Edition is not available at retail this means you will probably have to be using Vista to play these games.
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|actually, if you own the ORIGINAL cd for doom3 you will realize that the game is OS aware and by no means will allow installation in other than winXP ....
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|rijp....
He meant games that would not run in any Windows OS lower than Vista. I.e., Any Game the *requires* DX10.
DX10 will not be back-ported to XP/2Kx.
Thus... when the first game that the original poster wants that *requires* DX10...he will either use Vista, or be SOL.
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|That is why all modern OS's have emulation and compatibility modes for their previous OS environments.
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|seems like MS finally learned from the early Xbox360 release :P
yup, i'd much rather wait ..... so go on .....take your time ....
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