Toshiba Unsure Whether 51 GB HD DVD Works in Existing Players

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

January 17, 2007, 11:54 AM

A spokesperson for Toshiba of America told BetaNews late yesterday that the company is still researching whether a new, three-layer HD DVD disc format it may propose -- the existence of which was carefully leaked at last week's CES -- will work in the first generation on HD DVD players, including its own.

"Since the disc is not standardized yet," the spokesperson told BetaNews, "we are researching whether it is applicable to the current HD DVD players."

Toshiba representatives apparently handed out press releases to a few journalists last week who probably noticed a "51 GB" label on some of its display discs, and asked what it meant. Independent journalist Henning Molbaek of DVDTown.com was one of them, publishing as soon as January 9 what many sources were only learning a whole week later.

The capability for HD DVD -- as well as Blu-ray -- to implement three layers on one side has been written into the specifications since the format's inception. But the fact that each layer is limited to 17 GB, rather than the 25 GB per layer that's possible with dual-layer blue-laser discs, may be an indication that a three-layer format such as the one Warner Bros. patented last year may not have been feasible with older or existing blue-laser players after all.

As it turned out, the company introduced a double-decker sandwich format at CES instead, under the Total HD trademark. It's unclear whether Warner will pursue its three-layer, single-sided combo format, though the likelihood now is fairly low.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 11:16 AM

Blu-ray has just been hacked.

Now they haven't even got movie exclusivity.

I'm very happy to stick with the cheaper and superior PQ & SQ of HD-DVD.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:36 AM

Now that HD-DVD is hacked Blu-Ray users win again.
Use your favorite bittorrent client, download 25GB movies, burn 2 per 50GB disc. Enjoy. ALL movies playable on Blu-Ray whether the studios like it or not.

This ability will be pretty useless in a couple of years though when HD-DVD start to disappear... but until then its happy viewing.

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By Skyfrog

edited Jan 21, 2007 - 2:01 AM

"Use your favorite bittorrent client, download 25GB movies, burn 2 per 50GB disc"

Yeah, let's see. Spend days and days downloading a huge file while risking ending up in court on piracy charges, then spend more money on a BD-R than it would have cost to just buy the movies in the first place. Ever think of getting a job with Sony? With idiotic reasoning like that you'd fit right in.

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By Ryokurin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 12:03 PM

Recordable Blu-Ray disks are only 25GB and they cost 20 dollars a disk.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 6:34 AM

Maybe in the States only 25GB is available.
But from the land where all your Blu-Rays and HD-DVDs come from, 50GB media is available for about $40US

http://www.biccamera.com...p;PRODUCT_ID=0010136174

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 4:33 PM

Careful, you might confuse him with facts. :D

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 7:27 AM

I was just coming to mention that Blu-Ray is now cracked as well, but someone beat me to it. :D

"in a couple of years when HD-DVD start to disappear..."

I forgot to congratulate you on your time travel skills. That seems to be a trait all Sony fanboys share, the ability to see into the future. Funny how they turn out to be completely wrong most of the time. Maybe their time machines were built by Sony too.

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By MidnightWatcher

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 1:41 AM

Uh, Blu-ray has just been hacked by Muslix64 as well. First BD -- "Lord of War".

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939873

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 8:49 PM

Yeah, and Blu-Ray won't be hacked. Moron.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 3:08 AM

Lets read my comment again....hmmm don't recall saying that Blu-Ray won't be hacked...I'm sure it will, and hope it does too. But right NOW HD-DVD content is downloadable... and even when (or if) Blu-Ray does get cracked, have fun splitting a single full disc's contents onto a couple of HD-DVD discs. Moron.

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 7:10 AM

"Lets read my comment again....hmmm don't recall saying that Blu-Ray won't be hacked..."

You said Blu-Ray users win because HD-DVD is hacked, which actually made no f'ing sense anyway. Besides Blu-Ray is hacked now too so your retarded argument just went out the window.

"and even when (or if) Blu-Ray does get cracked, have fun splitting a single full disc's contents onto a couple of HD-DVD discs"

lmao, wtf are you talking about moron? How many movies out there require two HD-DVD discs? None. Go stroke your Sony ego in private and stop embarrasing yourself.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 9:51 AM

"You said Blu-Ray users win because HD-DVD is hacked, which actually made no f'ing sense anyway. Besides Blu-Ray is hacked now too so your retarded argument just went out the window."

Upset are we? It made no sense but my argument just went out the window? So I had an argument. Cool, thanks for the confirmation. Actually Blu-Ray is not hacked yet, if you follow the link you'll realize its just one guy experimenting... nothing conclusive and no files available for download. I hope it does get hacked though.

"lmao, wtf are you talking about moron? How many movies out there require two HD-DVD discs? None. Go stroke your Sony ego in private and stop embarrasing yourself."

My point was that when (or if) Blu-Ray does get hacked and say a movie is over 25GB in size... it would not fit onto a single HD-DVD discs meager capacity. Clearer?

Actually I don't like Sony at all, but I know a better medium when I see one. As for the stroking, since the porn industry has chosen your beloved HD-DVD I'm sure you'll be busier than I in that regard. Just don't get caught by your 2 little ones... now that would be embarrASSing.

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 4:32 PM

"Upset are we?"

No, just finding your ignorant comments hilarious. Please keep it up.

"My point was that when (or if) Blu-Ray does get hacked and say a movie is over 25GB in size... it would not fit onto a single HD-DVD discs meager capacity."

Why would it be over 25GB in size, unless it's one of those Blu-Ray movies that is using the horribly outdated MPEG2 encoding. Oh and did I forget to mention that when people rip movies they encode them in xvid or divx anyway so the size doesn't matter? Oh, and did you see the post above? There is no such thing as a 50GB recordable Blu-Ray disc. Clearer?

"but I know a better medium when I see one."

No, I don't think you do.

"since the porn industry has chosen your beloved HD-DVD I'm sure you'll be busier than I in that regard."

You are the one that brought up porn, so we can easily see who has been thinking about that. Do not worry though, there is porn on Blu-Ray also, though I'm not sure why you need any more what with your Blu-Ray fetish and all.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 9:57 PM

Haha you almost had me, Shadow Hoilywood.

"There is no such thing as a 50GB recordable Blu-Ray disc. Clearer?"

Actually the real Hollywood probably knows that 50GB discs are available and do exist:

http://www.biccamera.com...p;PRODUCT_ID=0010136174

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 1:50 AM

Well you are a determined fanboy aren't you, had to dig some up in Japan. How about showing us some available in North America now? Ah, too bad.

That's beside the point though since your main argument has already been shot all to hell.

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By il-loostya

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 4:50 AM

Didn't take much determination since I actually happen to be living here and Japanese is one of my many talents.... as for availability in the States I'm sure its just a matter of time so don't worry you'll be able to buy the media pretty soon.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 4:57 AM

"don't worry you'll be able to buy the media pretty soon."

That is if I wanted to, and I don't.

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By plague201

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:32 PM

"Now that HD-DVD is hacked Blu-Ray users win again."

Well personally I'd go HD-DVD based on this. If I didn't have it already. If I can copy it, I'm there.

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By maniakmx3

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 5:02 PM

HD-DVD sucks...flame on!

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By Alex Stevens

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 4:55 PM

All the fanboys on both sides need to sit down and STFU. This isn't going to be decided for a long time and little things like this or short term sales trends are not going to be that decision maker. Come back in 2008 then we'll have something to talk about. Until then how about trying to stick to discussions about facts and the technology instead of...oh what's the use.

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 4:39 PM

LOL, HD-DVD camp are reaching nows of desperation,

Until something actually shows up in the shops it's just vapourware.

We still haven't seen the 45GB discs they were hawking round well over a year ago yet.

Apparently there was "no demand" for them. Which makes you wonder why there is suddenly a demand for a 51GB disc...

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By Alex Stevens

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 4:58 PM

Look, it's Hoiiywood___. Let's all just come up with fake names and pretend to be each other so we can try and make each other look foolish. That would be fun and mature. Come on Betanews...

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By Joey Deacon

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 1:42 PM

HD-DVD is dead anyway, there are cracked HD-DVD titles on BitTorrent..

http://www.theregister.c...2007/01/18/hd-dvd_crack/

What movie studio wants their titles on the new for free. Expect this to quicken the death of the HD-DVD format, when all the studios jump ship and titles start drying up...

It's also worth noting that the HD-DVD fanboys have stopped linking to http://www.thedvdwars.com

I wonder why....

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By plague201

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:40 PM

"HD-DVD is dead anyway, there are cracked HD-DVD titles on BitTorrent.."

How is this a bad thing? I mean I have friends buying xbox360 just because I mod it for them.

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By MidnightWatcher

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 6:09 PM

Even though Blew-Ray fanbois now suddenly seem to think that www.thedvdwars.com is "legitimate", it looks like HD DVD is STILL winning.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 6:50 PM

That's his point, it was legitimate when HD-DVD had a lead, now that's evaporated in 2 months, it's suddently non longer a legitimate site..

HD-DVD fanboys here want it both ways, whichever suits them at the time...

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 7:13 AM

I don't know what you are reading but HD-DVD is still leading, not sure where you came up with this "had" stuff. The only thing that changed on that site is the Blu-Ray trolls started posting in full force on the forums.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 3:52 PM

I wonder why....

Thank God the Blu-Ray fanboys have picked it up though. I'd hate to see a site like that suffer lack of readership...

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By Grazer

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 3:31 PM

HD-DVD is dead anyway, there are cracked HD-DVD titles on BitTorrent.

And we all know how the availability of cracked DVD content has stunted the growth of that format.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 3:35 AM

What alernative technology was there.

We are in the situation where there are 2 competing formats, 1 has been cracked, 1 has not been (and has an extra layer of protection in addition).

Which do you think the studios will prefer?

Unless Blu-Ray also had both protection mechanisms cracked, expect the HD-DVD titles to dry up VERY quickly...

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 7:15 AM

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=939873

Suck it Blu-Ray.

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 7:16 AM

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 9:15 AM

Jan 9, 2007 - Blu-ray Software Sales Surpass HD-DVD
Posted January 9, 2007 by Marwin

Blu-ray software sales have now surpassed HD-DVD for the first time the week of December 24 and they did so by an impressive 20 percent. The sales gap is expected to widen further in 2007 based on research conducted by Twentieth Century Fox and Blu-ray is expected to outsell HD-DVD by a 3.5-to-1 ratio by the end of the first quarter.

One of the driving factors behind the growth in sales is the PlayStation 3 (PS3), which was launched on November 17, 2006 in North America. The PS3 has been selling out at retail outlets since it was launched and despite shortages Sony has been able to meet its target of shipping 1 million PS3s in North America by the end of 2006. What's even more impressive is that they did it faster than their top-selling PlayStation 2 (PS2) platform did when it was launched. Sony is now targetting 6 million PS3 consoles shipped worldwide by the end of the fiscal year (end of March 2007).

While many have doubted the effect the PlayStation 3 would have on the format war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD it's hard to argue with the numbers. Blu-ray sales are up 700 percent since the mid-November launch of the PlayStation 3 and other Blu-ray players from Sony, Panasonic and Philips. According to a recent survey by Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) of over 10,000 PS3 owners, 80 percent indicated they will buy Blu-ray movies and 75 percent said they use the PS3 as a primary device for viewing movies. However, this shouldn't come as such a big surprise as those that have bought the PS3 might as well take advantage of the Blu-ray playback capability, which still is the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market at just $499.

The content advantage that Blu-ray enjoys is another major factor that should become more and more evident now that the Blu-ray exclusive studios (Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM and Lionsgate) are starting to release more titles in the format. When looking at the 20 top selling DVDs of 2006 almost all were released by movie studios supporting Blu-ray, which means that titles such as Pirates of the Carribean and Cars will only be available for Blu-ray. The content advantage should further shift in Blu-ray's favor as the format neutral studios (Warner, Paramount) catch up their Blu-ray release schedules with HD-DVD so that the same movies are available for both formats.

Overall the Blu-ray backers are confident that it's only a matter of time before the Blu-ray format becomes the dominant format in the US market, just as it already accounts for 96% of the market in Japan.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

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By plague201

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:58 AM

I'm confused where is $ony getting these 3.5:1 ratios? Excuse me while I sit this 'press release' out. I'll believe it when I see it, considering the validity of $onys claims.

http://palgn.com.au/arti...d4e64964a3e023a9d6ea547

P.S. Where you been buddy? I miss the satisfaction of disproving you in every step you take.

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By Joey Deacon

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 3:41 AM

I know you have trouble reading, but it's Twentieth Century Fox that came up with the 3.5:1

Perhaps you need to take of your Sony Hating Hat for a moment, and step back to realise that the whole industry is backing Blu-Ray these days, and the sale figures are showing that consumers are too..

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By plague201

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:36 PM

Isn't Fox an exclusive blu-ray supporter?

I think I'll still pass until I see an unbiased report.

P.S. I dont hate blu-ray, but I love making tards like you, Stevy, Davey, and Marky furious, LOL

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By MidnightWatcher

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 6:11 PM

Uhhh, hey Mark, Baghdad Bob called, he wants his bu11sh!t back. :)

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM

lmao...

So the whole post boils down to the fact that people are buying games for the PS3.

Good thing you were just cutting and pasting, I'd hate to have you waste your time on such a large comment to which most folks would simply reply,

"Duh."

But thanks. I'm sure there's *someone* out there who didn't thing anyone was buying games for the PS3. I'm sure that one person is now corrected.

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By speedmeister

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 6:45 PM

no...

I think that there were two points in that post. First, Blu-ray is now ahead in the number of players in the hands of consumers and is rapidly pulling with the growing sales of the PS3. Second, the content produced by the Blu-ray camp far out sells the are HD-DVD only camp.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 12:18 PM

"Good thing you were just cutting and pasting"

Sounds like he's becoming the Bevets of Blu-Ray.

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By WeezulDK

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 8:59 AM

I think the market will remain confused for a while, Sony's bad press in the last year and their historically losing battles with trying to institute their own proprietary standards is going to stall Blu-Ray as well as the whole name confusion surrounding the DVD moniker.

Ask anyone what they think HD-DVD stands for and then ask them what Blu-Ray is and they'll at least get it right with HD-DVD more often than not.

Then tell them that Blu-Ray is being pushed by the same people that made BetaMax vs their old tried and true VHS, spyware/malware laden copy-protected CD's that allow viruses to hide behind it and breaks their DVD Burner's ability to write, and exploding laptop batteries, and they'll probably say "heck no, I don't want them".

Screw technical merits too. So what if it has better capacity, I've seen more reports of crappy video and the complaints of the cost of the players being 2x of HD DVD alone, and their arrogance to assume that everyone wants a console game system (I have an xbox for tinkering on, that's it, PCs are superior gaming machines!) when they may not.

It's going to be a hard sell for Blu-Ray without backward compatibility to DVD's as well as all the reasons mentioned above.

NOT to even *mention* the whole "downscaling because you don't have our ultra restrictive revenue protection racket (DRM)" that will eventually be enforced against the wishes of the general consumer and early adopters who bought into the HD revolution before the advent of HDMI connectors...

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 17, 2007 - 10:58 PM

HD-DVD doesn't need three layers, it already looks better than BD, I know because I have them both, there's too much artifacting and an occasional studder with BD.

If it didn't come attached to the PS3, I would never have bought it as a stand alone player and nor would anyone else who actually saw both side by side.

Regular DVD still looks great upscaled on a good TV or projector. I'm getting a little tired of both HD formats, the movies they are releasing make no sense.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 6:38 AM

You're right, for movies it is not needed so this is not an issue. All the Blu-Ray zealots thumping their Sony handbooks and calling doom upon HD-DVD owners are idiots. I imagine these discs would find their primary use as recordable media for PCs.

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:01 AM

I'm all over blu-ray for PC media. That said, I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that. Which means this format war will definitely be long...

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By MidnightWatcher

edited Jan 17, 2007 - 10:42 PM

Toshiba Press Release: "The new disc can store up to 7 hours of high-definition video and adds an extended capacity, high-end option to the already extensive line-up of HD DVD-ROM discs. Toshiba aims to secure approval of the new disc by the DVD Forum within this year.

The new ROM disc has a three-layer structure, with each layer storing 17GB of data. The advances capacity over current ROM discs, which hold 15GB of data in each layer of a single-sided disc. Continued improvement in disc mastering technology has achieved further minimization in the recording pit, supporting a further boost in capacity to 17GB in single layer and a full 51GB on a single-sided triple-layer disc. Toshiba has confirmed the disc structure and its successful operation."

Link: http://www.toshiba.co.jp...ress/2007_01/pr0801.htm

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By Mark GiIIespie

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 7:41 PM

Looks like another loss for HD-DVD... need a high capacity High Def disc? Stick with Blu-ray.

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By Banquo

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 1:46 AM

For a second there I thought you were the real Mark... :P

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:03 AM

Marky has been in his closet for the past month during the PS3's more than horrible launch. He will craw back out as soon as some 'good' news about Sony pops up.

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By kashin

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 10:58 PM

You can stick Blu-ray where the sun doesn't shine. Stupid Sony fanboys constantly spewing their idiotic comments. Everybody hates Sony and no one wants Blu-ray. Get over it already.

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:04 AM

I want blu-ray...
Just not for movies. PC media all the way!!

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By QQ

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 12:03 AM

I wan't Blu-ray. In fact, I very much prefer Blu-Ray.

So there goes your credibility.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:11 PM

I think you are overestimating your importance.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 17, 2007 - 10:59 PM

Want porn? Stick with HD-DVD. Mark said most (porn) companies have signed with Blu-Ray, which was wrong.

BD won't do X rated, too bad. Theres the nail in the coffin.

The real Mark is gone and the clone thing isnt funny anymore.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 3:14 AM

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=37021

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:07 AM

Yeah I read this a couple of days ago (thanks Stevy)

Still, while the article seems realistic enough. It does point out that their is a lack of blu-ray production lines willing to produce blu-ray X-rated films, key thing of the article is that Sony didn't ban porn, but its definitely still having a much harder time than its HD-DVD counterpart.

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By Mark GiIIespie

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 12:41 AM

Poor Mark, yes it seems as though he has truly departed, (a nail in the coffin for the poor Sony loving fanboy)then my job here is done. They'll be no more silly posts from me, unless zombie Mark makes a return appearance that is.... till then its farewell.

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By Tenoq

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 9:39 PM

Need a player that won't be irrelevant in a few years? Stick with HD-DVD.

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 8:58 AM

Do you really think that? HD-DVD is getting whipped in sales right now. Any early lead has been wiped out in the last 3 months...

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:09 AM

Like Alex, I'd like to see these sales figures as well.

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By Alex Stevens

edited Jan 18, 2007 - 4:57 PM

I'd love to see your evidence for that statement. Can you produce these total sales figures? If you can you're pretty amazing since neither camp has released them yet.

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By ptksr

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 9:56 PM

More like "Need a player that won't be irrelevant in a few years? Stick with DVD"

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:10 AM

Hehe, good point. DVD definitely is the only real winner.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 3:46 PM

Haha, looks like anyone that wasted their money on a Toshiba HD-DVD player, or Xbox360 add-on will be lef out in the cold by the new disks...

"we are researching whether it is applicable to the current HD DVD players." Sounds very much like preparing people for the worst news, a bit like Microsoft's lies about the HDMI cable for the original Xbox that will be released when the market was ready... (reality new version of the Xbox360)

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:12 AM

I have my HD-dVD add-on, and like I've stated before I can care less if HD-DVD looses. I can afford to lose $200. I'd be kicking myself over $500+ though.

Anyhoots, read the article posted above about toshiba press release.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 10:53 PM

Steve your such a pathetic fanboy. I think you are Dave or Mark in disguise.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 4:12 PM

If it doesn't work it won't be standardized by the DVD-Forum. Nice try though...

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By Steve Austin

edited Jan 17, 2007 - 5:01 PM

Where does it state that? Toshiba have already admitted in other press releases at CES, that the tripple layer disks won't play in existing players.. Not even the upcoming Toshiba HD-DVD units.

From a Toshiba Engineer himself....

http://www.dvdtimes.co.u...ent.php?contentid=62615

"DVDTimes: So, if that does come out, do you know if the current drives would be able to read it with a firmware update? Is there any likelihood that we'll ever see triple-layer film discs?
Jim Armour, Toshiba: Any likelihood... well, if we're actually creating the format, I think there's a likelihood. There is a likelihood - a 45gb capacity could be very useful. Whether drives can read it, I don't know - because, basically the specification hasn't been set. It's like when the first Dual Layer DVD-Rs came out, really old drives couldn't read it. [...] It could well be the same situation. Until the standard has been specified and ratified, you can't really say whether it'll be able to read it.

I would go as far, in fact, to say probably not. You're having to focus through two primary layers. The amount of reflected energy that you're going to get back will be quite low. Now in my opinion, in order to read this kind of media, you're going to need something like - do you know your way around the term PRML?"

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By Banquo

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 12:26 AM

"I don't know - because, basically the specification hasn't been set."

"Until the standard has been specified and ratified, you can't really say whether it'll be able to read it."

You're reading comprehension skills suck almost as badly as your trolling skills. It's still in the working stages, if they can't make it work don't expect to see any movies on it if the DVD forum even accepts it. Oh and let us know how those Blu-Ray players cope with triple layer BR discs when (if) they ever come out.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 3:12 AM

"I would go as far, in fact, to say probably not. You're having to focus through two primary layers. The amount of reflected energy that you're going to get back will be quite low."

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 5:24 PM

Whoops... There goes a load of early adopter's hearts...

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:13 AM

:'( I'm so heart broken, LOL

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By Banquo

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 12:26 AM

...said the Sony fanboy.

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By ds0934

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 12:54 PM

How utterly stupid. So, Toshiba doesn't have any such devices laying to test with? Wow.

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By Grazer

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 1:05 PM

Or it could be that, "the disc is not standardized yet".

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By ds0934

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 1:32 PM

They shouldn't have leaked the news then.

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By Tenoq

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 9:41 PM

Indeed - it would be very poor form to discuss new technology before it's commercially available.

Like they're the only company to do that! :P

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By Grazer

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 1:50 PM

True, but that covers a lot of the stuff at the convention.

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By mano1192

posted Jan 17, 2007 - 7:14 PM

exactly 1/2 of the things at the CES will never see a assembly line.

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By ds0934

posted Jan 18, 2007 - 10:00 AM

It goes without saying that there's a ton of hype at CES. However, it's almost always "positive" hype. Not negative/pessimistic hype like this, and from the vendor themself? Weird.

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