How to complain to competition and consumer protection watchdogs regarding Warner's actions:

http://www.campaignhd.com/WATCHDOG.html

Blu 85% to HDDVD 15%....
Any day now Paramount and Universal and Toshiba....

http://www.highdefdigest...arner_Announcement/1383

How much more of this humiliation do you guys want to take?

Good Morning everyone, its 9:45 here in ENGLAND and a nice day to read some news, HA HA

http://news.teamxbox.com...ire-Sale-to-Save-HD-DVD/

Already covered. What day is it there?

Wednesday

sweet another firesale, who exactly is going to buy an HD-DVD player no matter what the price after toshiba just lost the format war???

70% is still not 100%

better than 30% and not forgetting the Hardware companies, who actually buys Toshiba rubbish, its crap hardware and will never live with Denon, Pioneer, Marantz, Panasonic or Sony

Hmmm.
Still here right now. Sad that it bugs you soo much.

a new alias for our favorite joey/steve/dave ?

and to think it's all about winning a niche market

Thinking the same myself.
Perhaps if he spent more time going out into the world instead of creating aliases he could find an actual fan boy friend instead of creating them at leisure.

^^^ What he said.

When Dualshock 3 comes out the PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Player, a next gen games console (with rumble) 100% future proof and the 6 axis is not useless its awesome and the release list for games using it even ads "Wii" elements to it asswell. The PS3 hand in hand with Blu-Ray IS going to Win.

Hold that breathe!
Yea all those state of the art gamees coming out for a POS console. Yet to see a game that offers those next gen elements.
6 axis = USELESS!!!
POS3 is winning nothing nor are they gaining ground on XBOX or WII.

If you continue to believe that your console will survive the next generation. keep believing the convoluted BS those Sony reps are feeding you. Technology in that field is continuing to evolve and your console will become obsolete before any game that claims to push that evelope is released.

Better than the XBOX which is allready obsolete, games are on the way which dont fit on a DVD and you will have to fill up that 20GB hard drive with install data to be able to run them. oooooh 20GB wont last long seen as 1 blu ray game could be up to 50GB

All those POS3 games that are holding that max 50g Capacity.
80g Hard Drive on a POS3...
Again by the time they push the evelope for space the CONSOLE WILL EVOLVE TO THE NEXT GEN!

Spoken like someone who's never touched a 360. Unlike the PS3, there is no 'install data' for disc based games.

"100% future proof"

Until the PS4 comes along...

As for the sixaxis...well the implementation on it has been disappointing. Of the 3 games that I've played that use it, (R&C, Heavenly Sword, and Lair), the motion sensing feels tacked on and gimmicky, at best. R&C probably had the best use of it, and even then, it's very limited.

Blu Ray - 70% of High Def market, THE END

Galway: HD-DVD is not superior at all. Both formats are similar in terms of the quality they deliver, however its a known fact that Blu-Ray is slightly better and can offer more due to the extra capacity. The problem we have now is that the likes of Toshiba and Microsoft continuing this war by not dropping the format, is going to cause more people who do not understand what is going on to buy into it when its obviously going to die, I think this is grosely unfair on the average public, we have to remember that not everyone knows about this stuff. The entire market now needs a singular accepted format which can take over DVD's. The fact that early Blu-Ray players are not updateable and will not be good enough for new features ie they are not the new profile, is unfortunate but early adopters will always suffer with new technology, DVD was no different. With regard to HD DVD, they may well have got their act together quicker, just like microsoft did with XBOX 360 but the fact remains the reason for this is because HD DVD like XBOX is old technolgy remastered like the new Half Life Game, looks nice but after 5 mins you take it back because no matter which way you look at it, its old.

"HD-DVD is not superior at all"

How can you state this and keep a straight face.

"The problem we have now is that the likes of Toshiba and Microsoft continuing this war by not dropping the format, is going to cause more people who do not understand what is going on to buy into it when its obviously going to die"

Just like Betamax you mean ?

"I think this is grosely unfair on the average public, we have to remember that not everyone knows about this stuff"

Totally agree, imagine the suprise when lots of users find out their blu-ray player was rushed lacking in features, and find out sony didnt bother to tell them and offer them to just buy another.

"The entire market now needs a singular accepted format which can take over DVD's"

Agree totally ... HD-DVD please.

"The fact that early Blu-Ray players are not updateable and will not be good enough for new features ie they are not the new profile, is unfortunate but early adopters will always suffer with new technology, DVD was no different."

Funnily enough not with HD-DVD.

"HD DVD like XBOX is old technolgy remastered like the new Half Life Game, looks nice but after 5 mins you take it back because no matter which way you look at it, its old. "

So its either old and feature rich, or new and non existant and more expensive to boot ? hmmm ok ???

"HD-DVD is not superior at all"

How can you state this and keep a straight face.

Because its not, everyone knows its not. This s why all the Daddy Electronic companies are waiting to see how the war pans out, ie Denon, Pioneer, Marantz, Panasonic, they are all behind Blu-Ray, and for those of us who buy the best equipment, we want the best format, your not arguing with me your arguing with the best electronic manufacturers in the world.

Where do you get your info from, your fighting a losing battle, oh and your betamax comment, yes it died but what the f*ck has thaty got to do with this.

I agree blu ray players at the mo are lacking and that is an issue which is why there is new legislation governing that all new players must be a particular profile standard.

Funny,

Profile evolution on blue ray should have been handled better on the BLUE side period. There is no excuse today not to have firmware upgrades on any player PERIOD. Any blue fanboy can continue to push the argument that its the early adopters fault for purchasing the product. You forget that without some of those early adopters you would NOT have a format!!.

Blue never was and will NEVER be superior! Production costs prove are an example of why HD DVD is a better format. IT is your side that started this so don't point to MS and Toshiba! they released a finished format whereas blo ray decided to put forth a unfinished just to try and compete.

I agree, Blu-Ray was not finished at launch, which means all the big companies and most of the studios have picked an unfinished format over a completed one, what does that say about your HD DVD which lets not forget is about to Die and the world knows it!

Yet all these "Daddy Companies" were rushed to put forth incompatable profiles players that will not support firmware updates. This shows that they were pushed to release a product before its maturity

"however its a known fact that Blu-Ray is slightly better and can offer more due to the extra capacity."[/i]

Really? It doesn't matter if they [i]can[/i]... so far, they've [i]haven't. The potential is there, but to date the space has been terribly wasted and unjustified.

And why exactly do you think that is? It's because HD DVD is holding back Blu-ray in terms of encode quality, and video/audio bitrates.

Studios don't want to encode their movies twice, once for Blu-ray, a seperate encode for the smaller capacity and bandwidth crippled HD DVD, so they go for the lowest common denominator, HD DVD.

Once HD DVD Dies (months, if not weeks), the sooner can studios turn the wick up on Blu-ray releases.

Thats Funny, Denon and Marantz have not released one yet. This is all irrelavant anyway the studios and tech giants have chosen

If the best you can do is call HD dead I fail to see a purpose for your conintual posting. If your here to gloat about a war that continues. Perhaps you should get together with Steve and share his bed with Sony.

Unless Warner decides back to HD exclusive the decision is still devided enough for an ongoing format war. Until one side decides to throw in the towel you can show all the skewed numbers to support your argument.

It's because HD DVD is holding back Blu-ray in terms of encode quality, and video/audio bitrates."

Umm no Sony didn't want to pay MS for the codecs
Same reason why they didn't have rumble in their controllers. They owed Microsoft money for the PS2 rumble tech.
Your 6 axis controller is useless.

The fact that early Blu-Ray players are not updateable and will not be good enough for new features ie they are not the new profile, is unfortunate but early adopters will always suffer with new technology, DVD was no different.

Excuse?

That DVD I bought today? Yeah, I can play that on the $350 Toshiba DVD player I bought back when DVD players still cost $350. I was an early adopter (and that player still works).

Cut the crap.

Nobody is excusing Sony for messing up the release of Blu-Ray and the PS3 but the fact remains that in 12 months from now the shops will be full of blu boxes. I am a PS3 owner for Games and I picked one over the XBOX due to being future proof in terms of games getting bigger and needing more space, but for movies I never really cared who won, I just wanted 1 winner so we can all get on with enjoying High Def, the fact Blu-Ray is going to come out on top is down to the quality of the product, all these arguments are really irrelevant.

Sorry to be the one to tell you. By the time your console comes close to pushing "a" evelope on a game the rest of the world and technology will be moving onto another console and tech. The POS3 offers nothing everyone is excited about Metal Gear, made for a console past its date.

Thats rubbish aswell, a modern dvd could well have DTS ES sound codecs, your toshiba DVD player will not play those codecs if it was an early one.

"Nobody is excusing Sony for messing up the release of Blu-Ray and the PS3"

Errm, why do they need excusing? In my eyes, they did the right thing, and delayed both products until the technology wes ready.

You only have to look at the mess Microsoft have made with the Xbox360 to see how it should NOT be done, with massive failure rates, and seriously lacking specifications that got added later on...

PS3 is pushing envelopes today that the 360 is simply not capable of. I am of course not talking multi-platforms, I am talking PS3 exclusives.

I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

"Umm no Sony didn't want to pay MS for the codecs"

You mean VC-1 (AKA WMV Pro), sorry, Blu-ray does that too....

Had my coffee still haven't seen a game yet that has pushed an evelope sorry. I see games made by developers for the 360 ported over to an inferior console to produce errors. IE Orange box (valve wanted nothing to do with your POS console)
COD 4 etc.

A lesser version of the one available.
Sorry

DTS ES has been available for sometime.
Are you sure you know what audio your talking about?

I agree the XBOX is a mess, a mix of addon hardware and re-release consoles. Sony though did mess up by releasing blu ray players that are not profile 1.1 let only profile 2.0, most HD DVD players are profile 2.0. However just shows how good blu-ray is as its been chosen over HD DVD when it is behind in develpment in comparison.

COD 4 on the PS3 is awesome, I've played both 360 version and PS3 the PS3 Sh*ts on the 360 W*nkBOX

Perhaps before the profile problems were public knowledge. I do think this will hurt the format. If anything they have created their own demise IF and I say IF they succeed. By that time the public will be soo tired of this that they will either stay with DVD or follow ON Demand.

Its apparent that companies do think there is a viable future for this method. All those Blo Ray fanboys can continue to argue all they want about it. I would rather go on demand then pay for a format that will continue to evolve because of problems with extras and copy protection.

Until one company decided to throw it there is still a format war. It is the reason why you fanboys still feel the need to post prematurely about your format winning (without a declared winner) and why Toshiba and MS, Universal and Paramount / Dreamworks continue to publish for the format.

Bahahahhaha..

Yea more people on LIVe. I have played it on the POS3 and the Xbox is better! You can keep you bugged version I as the 250k+ people who are online with the xbox will keep their version.

Yes thank you, and it has been around for a while but an early DVD player would not have supported it.

lmao

Give me *one* example of a DVD that doesn't contain a compatible audio stream for my DVD player?

Does it hurt to stretch like that?

Your remark was about Toshiba DVD players therefore implying your talking about HD players. Perhaps you should be more specific.

Must be hard when your too busy giving out high fives to the two other Sony BLO Ray Fan Boys trolling this forum

"and delayed both products until the technology wes ready."

Ummm Blo Ray released premature.
Your console released with technology after its prime. Which had evolved and at the point of its inception of availabilty to the public in an effort to compete with a console that had already been released for some time and said console is still selling stronger.

Actually Microsoft had to make WMV9Pro specifications public in order to get it included on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs, it had to be an official ITU-T and IEC/ISO standard. This turned it into VC-1 and it's not Microsoft collecting royalties but the organizations formed by all those Microsoft competitors that put some effort into fine tuning WMV9Pro to make it better.. although they couldn't do any miracle as Microsoft marketeers want you to believe. VC-1 is still an hacked/modified version of the same old MPEG-4 ASP specifications, it's inferior to MPEG-4 Part10 AVC H.264 which has been developed by the organizations in the following years.

Danno, you don't know what you are talking about. VC-1 is the same on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs. Don't mix things up to make Microsoft sound cool and Sony bad, because that's just a childish attitude which is not based on facts. Don't spread around more wrong technical info than what it's already floating on web sites.

"Once HD DVD Dies (months, if not weeks), the sooner can studios turn the wick up on Blu-ray releases."

sorry, this "war" is not ending anytime soon

"Where do you get your info from, your fighting a losing battle, oh and your betamax comment, yes it died but what the f*ck has thaty got to do with this."

If you read what the reply was to, then it would be clear. I recomend more time reading and less time ranting.

Choosing ... there is a difference. The battle is still on, otherwise the other studios would have done the same. Who is to say they will not switch back after HD-DVD notch up sales at the rate they are allready achieving.

I must say, its whooping sonys behind real bad in sales right now, not bad for a dead format.

You cant argue with stupid people, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Are you an imbecile? DTS was and still is an optional sound format on DVD. Why is that even an issue?

Do we really want to get into all of the things that all[/i] Blu-ray players are [i]supposed to be able to do but cannot?

That should be a short pissing match...

Actually, they owed Immersion for licensing fees on the rumble technology.

Its premature to dismiss HD-DVD.

In the grand scale of things, HD media is a fraction of DVD sales. Toshiba seam to have the right idea, and I expect to see a turn around with sales picking up for films and more studios supporting the HD-DVD format. Sony didnt give up with betamax or minidisk so easy and so they should expect a fight on there hands.

HD-DVD is technically superior & Cheaper, and is far from being obsolete compared to blu-ray which already sony admit to rushing with early to present day adopters needing to buy a new player to support the features present in HD-DVD.

1) Toshiba is going to make a U-turn towards Blu-Ray and needs to get a few bucks back from the failed HD-DVD standard
2) More studios supporting HD-DVD ? Are you dreaming ? Where have you been in the last few weeks? The only studios that are going to switch but towards Blu-Ray are Paramount/Dreamworks and Universal. And that's going to happen soon.
3) HD-DVD is not technically superior at all. Otherwise it would be the one featuring more space per layer. Period.
4) No one really cares about interactivity and web-updates features. Those don't sell a disc format and hardware for watching movies in HD. The highest available bitrate=quality does and that's the reason why Blu-Ray has won the format war. And to get the highest bitrates you need more space, something that HD-DVD hardware couldn't deliver and still can't. While Blu-Ray 4-layer 100GB discs are going to be released pretty soon and if the PS3 will be able to read them with no issues then the studios could decide to release deluxe editions at very high bitrates.

1) LOL ... Blow all creditability before you start.
2) In the last week, more HD-DVD players have gone though the door than sony can hope for, you think this wont effect studio loyality. Those sony $ wont buy them for long when they are losing potential sales.
3) Sorry to burst your bubble, but im afraid sony is playing catchup to toshiba on features. HD-DVD caught sony up on the storage front, you not heard with your head in the sand ?
4) Features do mean something, have you not been reading what sony and HD-DVD have been saying during beta news last week coverage ?. Your waffle about highest bit rate and quality are complete nonsence. By your reasoning MP3's are a obscure obsolete format since its cleary inferiour to cd ??. I supose these bitrates and space are needed on a ps3 just to cope with the uncompressed audio?. Im not going to comment on your vaporware disk format. Your whole post is of a brainwashed sony fan who is clearly missinformed or blatently lieing.

Keep dreaming. HD-DVD is a dead format. The format war is over. Blu-Ray is the only standard.
You are the one spreading false info and desperately trying to tell people that HD-DVD was better.
The fools wasting money on HD-DVD hardware now will have to use those as DVD players and nothing more than that.
This time Microsoft has lost, thanks God!, and customers have chosen the best format which is Blu-Ray.

I agree aredo, however I feel sorry for the "fools" who have wasted money on HD DVD as many of them will be people who simply dont follow this stuff like we do and toshiba alon with microsoft hav screwed over many people and are not going to be thanked for it, see my main post. oh and Galway I dont know what planet your from do you work for microsoft or something, I hope you do because you can also tell them to shuv MOVIE DOWNLOADS up their rear.

In my opinion, the only "fools" here are the ones that think it is over. I prefer HD, but, if Sony would have finished their format prior to releasing it, I do think things would have been different. If you remember, Sony and Toshiba were in talks prior to either format releasing, Sony wanted HD's software. Sony is only superior in disc capacity.

"This time Microsoft has lost..."

I think you mean Toshiba, and from your comments I can conclude your a deranged sony fanboy or a paid for blogger.

Amen! Sony is NEVER concerned about the customer, & they ALWAYS fool the customers to gain profit on BOTH the software & hardware level, & u all know that clearly, & what makes me even more sad is that some customers are still fooled & still believe it!!!

To Warner Bros, These are what the customers really want:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics

The A3 sales are raising up dramatically & is #4 in Amazon's best sellers & even surpassing all the ipods except for the 4GB nano..

Again am not a fan boy, but for the best of the Customers:

Long Live HD-DVD:))

An up-scaling DVD player (as well as HD DVD player) for $126 I'm not suprised their selling loads, Here in England thats £60 ish at the moment with the pound so strong, and I spend more than that on a pub lunch!!! so hardely real evidence that HD DVD is suddenly going to crawl back into the market.

You know if this sale sells a few million players i can see a couple of studios swaying over to HD-DVD! Take Sony's money and run to be honest.

Amen! Sony is NEVER concerned about the customer, & they ALWAYS fool the customers to gain profit on BOTH the software & hardware level, & u all know that clearly, & what makes me even more sad is that some customers are still fooled & still believe it!!!

To Warner Bros, These are what the customers really want:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics

The A3 sales are raising up dramatically & is #4 in Amazon's best sellers & even surpassing all the ipods except for the 4GB nano..

Again am not a fan boy, but for the best of the CUSTOMERS:

Long Live HD-DVD:))

As mentioned, nobody is buying the HD-A3 for HD DVD, they are buying it as a upscaling DVD player.

By admiting this, you admit the HD format was is over.

You are so smart to know what people are doing with their money. What an idiot fan boy. You must be nervous about this since you are posting left and right trying to beat everyone down.

Steve Austin..it is funny I have read most of your comments dso far in this thread and not once have you said the A3 is a good player! It is and at this price point it's a fantastic bargain!! What are you ? Against the customer THIS IS A BARGAIN FOR THE CUSTOMER. By the way Steve Austin "we can rebuild him" that rings a bell from years ago lol. Blue ray we can rebuild it because this price vut sure is going to make a karge dent for sure. FANTASTIC PLAYER!! Go out and buy one!

If Betanews had an ignore feature Steve Austin and Joey Deacon would be on it. They never have anything intelligent to say, just mindless idiotic shilling for Sony. I don't even read their posts anymore.

There's at least some value to them. If only for morbid curiosity or pure entertainment...

the best part is when they say "You don't know what your talking about"

it's almost comic genious

Hahahaha, OOh #8, ooh #6, ooh# 4...WELL! here's the rude awakening kids...they need to sell what REMAINS OF IT!!! hahahaha, hahaha, AH HA HA HA HA HA HA.

wow must of been hard taking time away from your ps3 circle jerk to come up with that piece of brilliance.

WOW cant believe it!!..Toshiba rises from #6 to #4 in amazon's best sellers.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics

The A3-HD DVD Player is now outselling ALL the ipods except for the 4GB nano..

Long Live HD-DVD:))

Toshiba rises from #8 to #6 in amazon's best sellers.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics

Long Live HD-DVD:)

The format war is far from over. Sony and their army of idiotic fans seem to believe they were able to force a format war victory by trojan horsing Blo-Ray with the crappy PS3, but they're in for a rude awakening. While Sony keeps bleeding billions of dollars worth of losses on their PS3, in the end the format will still fail. Price is the only factor that will decide this war, and not forcing a format down people's throat. We all know none of this will deter Sony from trying the same trick again in a few years. They keep ramming their garbage down the consumer's throat and never learn from their mistakes.

apparently the new price is working a3 is now in number 8 spot on amazon's electronic's top seller list with no bluray player in sight

What would happen if SD flash memory came into this war? The possibilities are indeed intriguing. Right now SD 8Gb is about 29bucks, maybe yrs from now 50gb is 5bucks.

Imagine movies on SD flash memory where no more "layer changes", no more scratching, lower bootup or loading times, super durability, super low power, extreme portability and functionality. And because it's flash, studios can set aside part of the SD memory for adding additional special features (when connected to internet), instant updating to always be "the latest version" of the movie, new movie trailers, ability to rearrange the movie into how you want it to play, ability to add or subtract audio or video codecs, new or updated subtitles, ability to add Easter eggs, constantly updated biographies, company or studio info, or web links(add commercials? ARGH! egads). This is the end of the format wars as long as it's SD or memory Stick, and we already have multi input slots standard.

Imagine being able to pop that same SD card into an ultra portable hybrid disc player (with built-in SD slot) along with OLED backlighting. You could play movies for HOURS on a plane because of the energy efficiency

Now take that same SD card, pop into any PMP, the built-in OS will auto switch to the best resolution the device can handle and simply "play". I call it "smart" 2 way communicating flash memory.

There will be a whole new wave of devices where they communicate directly with the SD flash card and the content it carries.

There would be no need for "special" or expensive optical assemblies, the playback devices can be made much simpler and for cheap.

TV's, appliances, monitors can easily have SD slots built in for cheap, making all LCD's capable of playback.

Imagine watching something on TV, a special icon pops up indicating that show or movie is available for instant download for x dollars.
press a button, BOOM, show downloads and you can play on any device. The movie packaging comes in the mail later on.

For the longest time, optical discs have ruled. But Flash memory could very well be the next new media of the future.

Flash is a perfect complement to upcoming VOD or download on demand.

WOW! (foaming at mouth)

Can you say DRM up the wazooo? Well not like they dont already have DRM protection but I can see them being able to DELETE movies off the card at will too.

I like it, but I agree. It would have DRM up the proverbial "wazoo". I do think that is a much better way to package and sell movies though, I absolutely agree with you on that. I think that is where we are heading probably, in one form or another.

Having movie players with no moving parts what so ever and no issues of scratched or damaged media is very appealing, no question about that.

I share your fears about DRM. Hopefully they make it like normal dvd drm; Enough drm to prevent "casual" copying,but made so we are allowed fair use backup, or ability to move the movie unto a media server or other personal playback device.

Companies need to understand that we like to move media around at whim, to different devices or laptops without hassle. We should be free to do whatever we want with media, as long as we are not uploading it, sharing it, or breaking fair use laws.

cheers

I think this is just the beginning of Toshiba really throwing its weight behind HD-DVD. Just because all the movie studios have "chosen a side" doesn't mean it's set in stone, did Paramount not switch from Blu-ray to HD-DVD?

In getting more screenshots, I realized I haven't used one of my Amazon cards for 2 years.
I may just have to pick up one of the Toshibas so my card doesn't get cancelled.

WARNING!
DO NOT click on the links if you are allergic to high credit limits!

http://i159.photobucket....angPhotos/AmazonBob.jpg

http://i159.photobucket....ngPhotos/AmazonWang.jpg

Why would you want to share personal financial details?

I see this is turning into a I make more than you thread. Bottom line is you make to much money. I bet you don't even give a penny to charity.

Not that having millions makes me an authority on anything; besides how to make money.
I used to hint at being rich, but it became clear that some people were too dense to take hints.
So, I just cut to the chase to reduce chatter.

I don't tithe 10%, but I average 5%.
Is that enough, or do I need to do 95% to impoverish myself to the level of most fanboys ;-)

I'm just trying to make the point that even peope worth millions are not buying into either format.
Many people would dismiss that contention as baseless, I'm using myself as an example.

No I am glad to see that you do. A couple of my friends make so much money that blowing 60k at Vegas is fun but gives nothing to those less fortunate. The greed with some is amazing and sad. I am not referring to you since I do not know you. We don't make millions but we give our fair share.