Its time for my 50 cents :)

You know, Linux lovers, that Linux is not green, its produce more CO2 and Beryl eats more energy than Vista's DWM?

Just kidding. Their posts looks so emotional, but reality is - IT world is mostly Windows, with 1-2% share of ALL UNIX including everything from Solaris to BSD. Even on this picture seems really few folks around :)

Long life to Ubuntu.
Now i have got Ubuntu as primary system and Win XP on another PC for gaming,hehe.
And Ubuntu PC is older than Windows,hehehe.
A lot of updates, app's are better every short time. Very nice.
A lot of (new)laptops with hard problems on Vista with Ubuntu(or another Linux distro), simply "fly".

Could you please repeat that in English?

He's not English nor will he make any sense whatsoever.

He likes to bring up Vista on every damn conversation and state he's not being negative then goes on a long diatribe on being negative.

I thought I read elsewhere most of the people who attended this had either a Windows or an OSX install.

Until Linux is as simple as Windows people will avoid, its nice that after 10 years they are finally realizing they need to make it simpler but to install programs on it isn't anything like MS where you can go to any site click what you want and bam. (I'll have to try Hardy Heron and see if anything has really changed as Fiesty was still more work then what it was worth)

Lotus software is garbage...its beyond bloated, horribly slow and just an unfortunate mess.

Zimbra is actually kind of nice but it needs a lot of work still, for whatever reason it just died on me because the java app got corrupted, I since have it working but it still needs work.

I counted some, but the vast majority were actually Linux desktops.

1/2 of the expo was datacenter and not Linux specific, so of course there was Windows.

ahh well that makes sense then, another site was reporting there were very few linux users there. might have been this one...

It's actually better than Windows. You don't need to go to any site, just go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager and enter a keyword. Mark your package and install it.

Software management on Linux is light years ahead of Windows. That said, commercial software availability is light years behind Windows.

Give Hardy a shot, you may be surprised. It's not grossly different than Fiesty, but a lot of annoyances have been fixed. Enough to make it much easier to use.

I will admit I was disappointed that it was very commercialized, but on the other hand that's exactly what Linux needs if it's going to be a successful competitor to everyotheros(tm).

It's actually better than Windows. You don't need to go to any site, just go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager and enter a keyword. Mark your package and install it.

Globe - Windows Updates.

Ain't Vista grand?

"it isn't anything like MS where you can go to any site click what you want and bam"

"Globe - Windows Updates."

So, I can install a photo editor, word processor, binary calculator or any other obscure application through Windows Updates?

Nice! ;-)

EDIT: Oh, wait..

My bad...

Thought you were talking about OS updates.

Of course, with Linux, anyone coming into the picture is first going to have to know what their Linux equiv. application is actually *called*, before Synaptics does them any good at all.

You may have a bunch of default apps you know well and use frequently in Linux (just like I do in Windows), but for anyone switching (to or from), they're going to have to hunt down the apps they need....

Who's going to have an easier time of it? The windows user going to Linux, or the Linux user going to Windows?

It depends on the skill level of the person switching.

I pulled my hair out with Vista for the first few days because all of the things I had been used to in Windows had moved.

Didn't complain, just re-learned and moved on.

That said, Synaptic will search by keyword so you don't need to know what it's called, just that you want to draw etc.

:-D

Loving it. Many cheers for all the Ubuntu success. After trying Vista, leopard, and Ubuntu, I've been an Ubuntu, primary OS, for over a year now.

Vista looks nice, but is a DRM beast that leaps from your worst nightmares into reality, it's also buggy, slow, and has very poor drivers support.

Leopard is very solid, great apps, but apps + features development is always lagging a fair distance behind the open source movement.

Ubuntu is solid, UI is gorgeous (ms should steal it), apps and features move right along with open source developement. The only drawback... gaming support, is quite weak and emulation of games is non-existent, except wine...

Gotta say, Ubuntu is the OS of choice, unless you game.

OS of choice? I've tried it and it sucks. I don't have unlimited time to figure out everything that doesn't work in Ubuntu, and fix it. Poor driver support is a "feature" of Linux if you wanna know.

Vista certainly doesn't scale down well, but works like a charm as long as you meet the recommended specs (as opposed to the artificially low required specs). The DRM doesn't really impact you unless you are using BluRay or CableCard hardware.

Bad or non-existent drivers can be found on all operating systems. There is ample selection of them in the Ubuntu world. In all cases you simply have to do your research to find out what works well on the platform that you are after.

Vista looks nice, but is a DRM beast

Yay! another troll cutting and pasting because he apparently has no clue what he's talking about.

Support!=implementation.

All of your non-DRM'ed media will play fine...as usual. Vista simply adds support for playback of other DRM-encumbered media.

The UI is gorgeous? What planet are you living on?

The default skin is brown and tan - if thats considered gorgeous...

The gui looks like os9 with uglier colors.

WINE - WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR :D

THERE IS NO DRM IN VISTA ITS SUPPORT ONLY, you can download whatever the hell you want and steal and install every single illegal program you want.

Exactly! Sure its free, but is your time free? Mine certainly isn't.

Way to stink up the thread with misinformation everyone.

Are you nuts? An idiot could install Ubuntu and have it fully working. It's easy as s*** and Ubuntu supported more of my PC's drivers out of the box than Vista. (I am not vista bashing, I like Vista)

Yea because it takes sooooo long to click YES.

Hate to break it to you but not everything "just works" on Linux the point being sure the OS is free but there are times when you have to use a cmd line to get a app installed or a driver to work correctly (this was my experience on fiesty so I dunno if that has changed or not)

terminalx is right. Linux still needs to use a command line or you have to search out the odd dependency to get some things working. I love Ubuntu, its got my interested in Linux for sure, but there are times where I can't do in Linux what I can do easily in Vista without some messing around.

I can figure out things pretty well on my own, and the installation was very easy for Ubuntu, but your average consumer will get stuck. Until Linux can get around that it will remain a niche OS.

It happens much less, but it'll always be a problem.

It doesn't matter what OS, you'll need to hack %systemroot%\system32 (and the registry), or drop to the command line to fix drivers etc.

It's never going to be completely eliminated.

Not arguing, but I honestly do not remember the last time I ever had to:

It doesn't matter what OS, you'll need to hack %systemroot%\system32 (and the registry), or drop to the command line to fix drivers etc.

Seriously. I don't recall *ever* doing that except maybe for the CD-ROM in the early Win95 days...

An idiot could install Ubuntu and have it fully working.

On your computer. Not all computers are equal.

Ubuntu supported more of my PC's drivers out of the box than Vista.

Keyword: *my*

I'm glad it works for you. Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic (this time). I am here to tell you, however, that your experience is *your* experience and while it does not diametrically oppose mine, it is not, in fact, mine. Or that of many others.

Just sayin'...

I've had to do it on XP, if it wasn't drivers it was DLLs.

There was an article about it with Vista and printer drivers not too long ago. All I'm sayin is that you do still some times have to go deeper to fix problems on any OS.

If that wasn't the case, there would be no market for breakfix, which means IT OPs, and your run of the mill fix it shop wouldn't exist. ;-)

There isn't an OS out there that will ever not have this problem (in my opinion).

I agree that every OS has problems, but I think the OP's main point was regarding having to drop to the CLI and I *still* had to do that in Ubuntu 8.04 (Though it *was* actually to configure WINE).

Haven't had to drop to the CLI in Vista once. Can't honestly remember having to do it for XP, either.

...and I'd think I'd be more likely to than the average user, eh?

After 3 Ubuntu releases, I have to say that it's easy, if you happen to know what they mean, especially with the initial partitioning.

Drivers work but sometimes, they only cover part of the functionality and they're only activated if everything goes right. 8.04 detected the wireless card but not my nVidia card and I had to find the check box in Software sources to make it work.

I like Ubuntu as a distribution, but it's far from replacing Windows XP or Mac OS X.

Regedit could be switched for the CLI in this context.

It wasn't long ago that I was in %SYSTEMROOT%\inf\sysoc.inf removing "hide" so I could uninstall msn messenger.. That's not a newbie task, and it could be argued that it's as tough as hacking a config file on Linux (because it IS a config file). Did I have to? No, I could have just hidden MSN but that would be no different than using the default "config" on that other OS.

Quoting CLI is an excuse, though it's required sometimes, and is available all the time, it's not a detractor.

If that were the case, there would be no market for powershell.

'nuff said

Never said it was a bad thing. Just that most users would rather avoid it.

Powershell is mainly for programmers, is it not?

As to regedit, guilty. I use it frequently to change windows settings and so forth.

I suppose that counts, though I haven't been in there either to fix any problems in quite some time...usually just tweaks and such.

Oh, I know. I just see it constantly, command line this, command line that. It's an invalid argument, and it's constantly used in anti-Linux discussions when it's completely stupid to use it.

/rant heh

Wow, thanks again to Michael Hatamoto for the great report from LinuxWorld! Symphony should be a killer app in a year.

This was a great discussion on Ubuntu server (pictured).

The sessions were somewhat weak, but there were a few tutorials that really stood out like the Linux HA, and hacking the NSLug.

This was the best (though, smallest) expo I think I've been to, there was a ton of opportunity to network.