Violent Games Blamed in German Shooting Spree

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

November 21, 2006, 3:19 PM

Violent video games are once again under the microscope following a shooting at a German school, in which a teenager with an apparent fondness for war simulations and violent video games wounded as many as 37 people before taking his own life.

The attack has resulted in members of Germany's legislative body calling for stricter laws surrounding violent video games, an effort that has so far been struck down by the courts in the United States. At least one lawmaker who is the head of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrat party has called for an all out ban.

Wolfgang Bosbach cited studies that show violent video games do have a negative effect on some children, and told the Netzeitung news site that "effective guidelines to protect children" were needed. However, so far, the government has refused to call for such a ban.

Resistance to the law has also been echoed by the liberal Green Party, which said the debate should focus on the proper usage of computers. He also warned against making any decisions on how to proceed before it is understood why the man did what he did.

At least one area of Germany already bans the sale of such games. The state of Bavaria in southeastern Germany, which includes the city of Munich, has banned so-called "killer games" since 2002.

Efforts to ban the sale of violent video games have never gotten very far in the United States, as the courts have repeatedly ruled that their production is protected under the first amendment. However, that has not stopped some from continuing to work for such legislation.

Most notable of these is attorney Jack Thompson, who most recently attempted to block the sale of Take-Two Interactive's "Bully." A judge refused, saying, "There's nothing in the game that you wouldn't see on TV every night."

Take-Two has not always been able to dodge the bullet; Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was temporarily forced from store shelves after the discovery of the "Hot Coffee" mod that allowed the main character to participate in sexual situations. The company had to issue to a patch to remove the explicit scenes.

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By khetos

posted Nov 26, 2006 - 12:52 PM

ok, this is a really bad example, but .. the texas chain saw massicre was basied loosely off of real life events, if this is infact true.. that was one sick mo fo.. mental and violent.

guess what?

i bet if that was in fact real, i bet he did not have a pc, or any video games, thats why he played with a chain saw.. or whatever other sharp and pointy things...

now shall we ban chainsaws? knives? toothpicks? nail clippers? tweezers?...

no, you take people that cant comprehend good vs bad, and you help them, or ban them, not take away from useful, or entertaining devices for others.

now this said, im quite a bit of a scardie cat with alot of this stuff, i wont ever watch movies like the grudge, and wont want ot see that texas chainsaw massicure again, dont want to and wont.

i also dont play games like resident evil, but i dont think that they are the cause, i think the real cause is limiting the firearms themselves, to prevent mass shootings, if that kid had no access to a weapon to use in RL, would he bat other classmates with the videogame cartridge? or cd? shall we can the use of cds?
or maybe a book? or pencils? they are all evil devices, its the device, not the person.. lol

just like that one woman that cried all the time becasue her son who was 17 played WoW for 16 hours a day, quit his job, and dropped out of school, lived at home, and she could not control his behaviours.

i donno about all you folks, but when i was a kid, it was the rules of the house i followed or i was out of the house, my dad gave me half an hour a day on the pc, and would have no guff from taking it away for weeks at a time.

i blame stupid weak parents, weak willed people, and weak governing bodies, pathetic laws, and ignorant societies.

we are all to blame for not fighting things such as this.

just my two cents...

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By shdwstar

posted Nov 24, 2006 - 3:12 AM

i agree you play video games to do the things u can not do in real life. its the parents fault for not helping the kid distinguish fake from real if anything.

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By Mystiqq

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 7:14 PM

Seriously, blaming "violent video games" is just simply stupid. Anyone with a half a brain would know better.

I heard in the news that this guy had some serious issues with his life and im pretty sure that "violent video games" werent the cause. Where in the "equation" does violence from tv and movies come in? Or does the cartoons in the morning and "Bad Taste" in the evening cancel each other out? :D

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By executrex

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 3:00 PM

I´m still waiting for the day when someone jumps through a german city, with pointedly ears and glowing eyes. On that day World of Worcraft will be bannend too from german resellers.

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By sorahl

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 10:31 AM

Huh? Germans have been reassigning blame all on their own for the last 60 years...

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By ds0934

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 11:18 AM

We blamed the British back in 1610. So there (neener neener nee-ner) :)

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By ds0934

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 10:08 AM

Those Germans. Copying us Americans and our invention of reassigning blame.

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By executrex

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 3:30 PM

living the american way of life is "cool" here in germany. We adopt many of your behaviors some good some bad^^

e.g. 5 years ago "Halloween" definitely doesn´t exist in germany. Today we celebrate it like you. child´s running from house to house earning sweets.

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By WeezulDK

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 9:02 AM

Once again the triumph of political correctness and the finger pointing "it wasn't me" generation has reared it's ugly head.

What surprises me is that people still are getting in an uproar over this kind of thing and not doing a damn thing to keep it from happening.

The fact is, like many others have said here: It's the parent's fault for not teaching their children right from wrong and keeping a watchful eye on their children, not violent video games, television, or the internet.

It's absolute stupidity on anyone's part to assume that it's anyone's fault but the child and parents of that child when something like that happens.

This is a direct result of the MTV generation growing up with the TV as their nanny/babysitter, so they don't actually become real "parents" like their grandparents were (by example).

It's just like the government trying to push for mandatory helmet laws for bicycle riders. It's sheer lunacy to assume that legislation will protect our children, and the abdication of that parental responsibility is exactly what causes these kinds of tragedies in the first place!

Parents need to regain the right to beat their childrens' a** when they mess up. Parents need to regain the right to be able to say "no" to a child and not have a child retaliate with threats of calling child protection services of their local community to blackmail their parents into letting them do what they want.

When a six year old holds you hostage in your own home by saying they'll call CPS if you spank them, that's when the failure of society is most apparent.

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By executrex

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 3:10 PM

first of all /sign to your post!

in germany we also have a upper class, a middle class and a lower class.

This poor guy was an lower class boy. HIs parents weren´t very interested in his activities. Their interest were (probably) "Where do i get my next beer" or "oh my god where do i get a job"

Yes also in germany are families which spend their time with drinking alcohol and watching TV. Losing their view for the real life.

To my mind his parents lost their "feeling" for real life.

(excuse my probably bad english)

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By cousinkix1953

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 4:41 AM

Minors cannot buy cigarettes, booze or guns! They cannot buy PLAYBOY or HUSTLER magazines either. We don't advertise cigarettes or guns on TV here, not even to the adults. CASE CLOSED.

Arrogant video game companies DEMAND the absolute right to sell violent toys to children. And "phuck their parents who don't like it." They'll go all the way to a brain dead judge to protect this market.

It's not their fault, when teenagers get bored playing a trigger happy video game. It's not their fault if they really do go out cruising the streets of Oakland California USA and shoot several people (with a real gun) for some cheap thrills. Thanks, @ssholes...

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By ds0934

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 10:15 AM

"It's not their fault..." - The American slogan of all time.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:47 AM

news flash moron, minors cannot buy violent games legally either, but most stores dont check for id when buying mature games, same as many people dont card for ciggarettes.

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By kronix2

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 11:41 AM

ESRB and PEGI ratings are not legally binding; they're part of a voluntary code. The industry "volunteered" to develop a common ratings initiative to lower the chances of legally binding ratings from being introduced.

Publishers and retailers adopted this code in the hope that legislation requiring a robust ratings system wouldn't be introduced.

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 1:06 AM

This is a load of crap.

It's not a Games (Or Website or Song or insert your own here) issue that your kid went on a Shooting Spree. The kid was going to do this regardless.

It’s like when we see MySpace getting blamed for everything now. In their case, whenever some young girl posts a half naked picture up there, it's the "Websites" fault. It's not a Websites issue that your Child is on it. The information that THEY put there is what they want the world to think. Most people on MySpace lie / fake something about themselves in their profile anyway, just like you or I have done on a Job application to get that great paying job.

Blocking a site or telling your kid that they can not have a game because it is violent will do nothing more then entice your child to try to get to the site or play the game even more. It's like Crack to and addict, you take it away from them, they want it more.

The true failure here is the PARENTS in the reasoning of, if you spent more time with your child, they probably would not be on sites like MySpace. They probably would not own that gun that THEY took and knew what they were doing when he / she shot those 37 people.

Today's society blames everything except where it should be blamed, on the PARENT. YOU (The Parent) need to involve yourself in more of your child's activities. Today's society, especially in America where "Political Correctness" has ruined us and made most Americans a "Sue Happy Nation" are all just looking to be able to point the finger at the other guy.

• McDonald's did not make you / your child fat, YOU did! (YOU Shoved the Quarter Pounder your mouth)

• Marlboro did not make YOU smoke their product, YOU did! (YOU chose to "Light Up")

• The PC did not create their profile on MySpace, YOUR CHILD DID! (They took and chose those pictures and how they wanted them portrayed)

• Grand Theft Auto did not buy them or load the gun, YOUR CHILD DID!

I am surprised that Nintendo was not sued for Mario's abuse of Donkey Kong!

Parents who block their children from things like this are not allowing them to see the actual dangers. I am not saying you should not look out for their best interest, but you need to let them on places like MySpace or they like to play games with a gun involved, make them understand why you (THE PARENT) do not like the Site or Games that may have a "Mature" rating.

STOP BLAMING SOCIETY AND START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY!

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By ds0934

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 10:13 AM

The problem is (a) most "parents" are barely around enough to even know what their kids are doing, (b) most run Windows (XP or earlier) at home with little-to-know knowledge of parental controls software, and (c) never took time to learn PC terminology or current "trends". How do you remedy that? Pay for them to take off work and go to classes? They'll get around to it after they quit smoking, drinking and eating fast-food. It's a no-win situation. Everyone loses.

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By Tenoq

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 8:33 PM

I'd like to blame Diet Coke for making people overweight. After all, I could certainly draw a clear correlation between the amount of overweight people drinking Diet Coke. :P

No mention of Marilyn Manson?

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By il-loostya

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 12:48 AM

Not really Diet Cokes fault for killing people... but the poison contained within it... and hundreds of other common drinks/food:

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

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By Scary Guy

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 9:06 PM

That was the 90's, it's out of style to blame him anymore.

This is why Emo music was made popular "Don't kill other people, just kill yourself" is the message it sends.

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By Tenoq

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 8:32 PM

*rolls eyes*

I'm definitely wearing this t-shirt over the weekend:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/713e/

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 1:07 AM

Good shirt, but little edit if I was to wear it:

"Guns Don't Kill People, Angry Minorities Do"

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By il-loostya

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 8:29 PM

And these guys must have played too much "Final Fight" and "Double Dragon"... bet no one remembers those old classics I bet.

http://prisonplanet.com/...er2006/171106hateus.htm

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By minus_seven_fold

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:12 PM

Those were great games! I spent to much money in the arcade on those's.

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By SteveJohnSteele

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 7:16 PM

I played to much Pacman in the 80s man(!) now I need to run around picking up little yellow pills

- joke

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By Scary Guy

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 7:10 PM

Scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat

"Oh we couldn't possibly have been the problem, it's those videogames he plays."

The article doesn't even say much about that situation, just goes on and on about the U.S.

To me the games just gave the kid/man stratagies to use when going about it. That's why his headcount was 37, and I forgot the highest U.S. headcount but... it wasn't 37 I'm pretty sure.

The thing I hate most about these people is they give us "trenchcoat" (actually I wear a duster but most people can't tell the difference) wearers a bad name.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:38 AM

well i like running around in nothing but a trenchcoat! oh wait no i dont.....

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By IceyKola

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 6:13 PM

Games and shows may not cause violent people or behavior, but I think it numbs people to the severity of the situation. You see people getting shot and dying on TV, then you see one get shot and dying in life, yeah you understand that they are dead, but not everyone thinks about the sorrow, the grieving, and the hopelessness that insues(sp?) for the friends and family of the murdered. Many movies and shows show how terrible it really is, but there aren't any games that I can think of that do. That's why games and rap music get hit so hard when stuff like this happens. Some people say the violence in rap music is about telling a story of what they have been through, and not about shootin up the place. While some of it is true, other songs do talk about shooting up the place, and don't say it's bad. (I know that's a little off topic, but it is partially to blame for numbing people.)

My point: Games and music don't creat killers, they just make killers numb to killing and helps lower their value of life. I know the games are fantasy and not real life, but it can get realistic in the games, and it can affect some people (not the sane ones) in a way that they want to go shoot up the place.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:36 AM

well maybe if parents didnt let them play those games until they are old enough to comprehend the differance between reality and games..... seriously blame the parents.

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By Skizelli

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 9:41 PM

I disagree. I've played the Mortal Kombat series since I was 12. I'm 26 now. I was obsessed with the game. You think it desensitizes people, seeing violence for so long like that. I can't speak for all people, but that certainly wasn't the case with me. I watched that video on the net some years back of that American soldier getting beheaded. And it was really disturbing to me. I'm not a squeamish in the least bit, but no matter how many virtual head decapitations I've witnessed in games over the years, nothing prepared me for that.

The bottom line is if you can't tell the difference between fantasy and real life, there's something already wrong with you.

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By minus_seven_fold

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 5:53 PM

People are to blame, NOT the video games. I wish we could get that straight.

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By Grazer

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 5:58 PM

Yeah, if games were to blame, I'd be a pretty sick b@st@rd with as much as I played Dungeon Keeper..wait a sec. ;P

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By PC_Tool

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 11:36 AM

Okay...I'm thinking you're probably not the best example. :-P

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By minus_seven_fold

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:11 PM

lol!

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By bugmenot

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:20 PM

Why do Germans get so worked up over games but don't have a problem with scat porn?

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By yuppysniff21

posted Nov 27, 2006 - 8:14 AM

Yea the germans are the one's that came up with animal porn..... well and a syco trying to take over the world..... you think he had video games? must be chess

Check Mate.....

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By eoswald

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 11:19 PM

That has my vote for comment of the year :)

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By PC_Tool

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:08 PM

Stupid people will do stupid things, regardless of their environment.

Psychotic people will do psychotic things regardless of their environment.

...and trolls will troll, and killers will kill, and saviors will save....

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

When will they realize that the fact that they were FPS addicts was just another (less destructive) symptom, not the cause?

Wanna get some psychopaths off the street? Open a new "Entertainment Facility" where they can be voluntarily locked in a cell to beta-test the latest and greatest "Killer Games" for the rest of their lives.

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By ds0934

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 10:09 AM

With a Marine recruiter at the ticket booth. :)

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By RejZoR

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 3:56 PM

Of course. Blame games. And Canada. And George Bush :rolleyes:
When will these dorks get it that games have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that these ****s are doing all over the world? I've played Half-Life, Doom 3 and whole bunch of other FPS games, crashing cops in Need for speed, killed half of city in GTA. And yet i'm perfectly normal person. And there is whole load of other gamers that don't have mental problems after playing games. So what gives? Why should games suffer just because some retarded ****s (sorry but i'm really pissed over constant bashing of games because of these morons) can't see a damn difference between game and real world. Games don't learn ppl where to buy guns and how to reload them. Yeah sure, press "R" key to reloade, right... :rolleyes: Games always take all the crap without any defending. What a load of crap. :rolleyes: I bet this idiot played Doom 3 or GTA and now they're making a big freakin deal out of it. There is no ****in zombies in real life and BFG doesn't exist. Geez.

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By SCousins

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:22 PM

I'm really glad that all your gaming experiences haven't made you an angry person, quick to go off on a rant or anything......

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By PC_Tool

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 4:03 PM

and BFG doesn't exist.

Actually, Iraq had several. We just haven't found them yet....

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By yuppysniff21

posted Nov 27, 2006 - 8:17 AM

lol good one

I like...

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By Grazer

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 3:46 PM

Wolfgang Bosbach cited studies that show violent video games do have a negative effect on some children.... decisions on how to proceed before it is understood why the man did what he did.

Hmm, so a man likes violent video games and goes on a rampage, and somehow the game playing habits of children are involved?

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By nate

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 3:51 PM

Well, he was a teenager. And he shot up his former school. Not that video games are to blame necessarily...

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By Grazer

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 5:55 PM

Was he a teenager or an adult? The article itself can't seem to decide.

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By executrex

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:01 AM

He was a 18 year old guy who left the school one year ago. furthermore he hadn´t shot 37 people. He wounded 13 people and killed himself with a headshot. Yesterday he should go to court because of illegal possession of arms. (excuse my bad english)

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By Grazer

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 12:31 PM

Your English is better than alot of native speakers, so no need to apologize.

I guess I am starting to show my age when I forget a teenager is not always a child.

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By executrex

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 1:49 PM

Thanks for that^^!

I have to correct my previous post. He really wounded 37 people. German News differ a bit^^

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By Silentmaster101

posted Nov 22, 2006 - 8:34 AM

well that makes him an adult and a teenager, but not a child, so.....

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By Silentmaster101

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 3:35 PM

People who are more willing to commit violent acts probably like violent movies and games more, thats a pretty obvious conclusion. But saying they committed a violent act because of it is stupid, the problems were there before, those same problems just make things glorifying violence more attractive to them. There were still crazy people committing acts of violence before television was invented, that same lack of technology (i.e. semi-automatic weapons) also kept them from going on as large of a spree. I would like to see someone go on to wound 27 people with a Revolver. well, actually i wouldnt like to see it, but my point is its not as easy.

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By executrex

edited Nov 22, 2006 - 2:39 PM

The point is that he not only "trained" in Counter Strike. He and his friends played "Paint Ball" in the forest and made movies which resemble "Matrix". Our german politcians tend to rapidly find someone or somethink who is guilty for that. Germans know about the fact that not only a game is the reason for that drama. There are many factors. e.g. the social environment and psychological disturbances. The guy has posted many of his "ideas" and "threats" in different german forums (which were shut down after the drama).

To my mind he was just a disturbed young man. His family and friends simply didnt understand what dangerous things were going on in his mind.

Here one of his videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKqX4rgRXi4

Supplement:

German police had had problems to save his corpse because of many self made bombs he was wearing on his body.

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