Vista Security Report Raises More Doubts Than It Relieves

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

June 22, 2007, 12:51 PM

When Microsoft's director of its Security Technology Unit Jeffrey Jones previewed a report that was soon to be published about the number of reported and addressed vulnerabilities in Windows Vista over the first six months of its consumer market shelf life, at TechEd in Orlando two weeks ago, the generally confused and negative reaction among attendees who ended up arguing with Jones for most of the session, prompted BetaNews (who was there) to decide that, amid the other news emerging that week, it wasn't worth covering.

The essence of the report is that Windows Vista had a far fewer number of reported security vulnerabilities during its first six months not only than Windows XP after its introduction, as recorded in the US National Vulnerability Database, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 WS, Ubuntu 6.06 Long Term Support Desktop, Novell SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, and Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger).

While that statistic is not altogether meaningless, on its face, it is open to varying interpretations; and Jones' presentation of these statistics ended up encouraging, if not demanding, questions about interpretation - including his own.

Repeating his comments from TechEd, Jones' report presents a slide showing Red Hat had patched 281 vulnerabilities during Enterprise Linux 4's first six months, including several pre-existing ones, though had left 65 issues that were widely disclosed as unpatched at the end of that period. By contrast, Windows Vista's security team addressed 12 disclosures during its first six months of public use, though left unfixed 13 disclosed problems with varying degrees of severity.

After Jones' report's release yesterday, the extreme interpretations began to appear. On the one side was the "scoreboard" interpretation, which was essentially: "Red Hat 4: 346; Windows Vista: 25. Vista Far Safer Than Linux!" On the other side came, "Red Hat 4: 81% addressed; Windows Vista: 48%. Vista Riddled With Security Holes!"

Microsoft's Jeff Jones' chart showing fewer reported (and fixed) vulnerabilities in Vista's first six months.

Jones doesn't help his side very much, not only by tossing out conclusions that are open to cross-examination, but also by making concessions that would lend credence to skeptics that Vista truly is any more secure.

In his report yesterday, beneath the main slide which appears to spell bad news for Red Hat, Jones wrote, "As can be seen, Windows Vista shows an improved situation over its predecessor and exposed an even smaller vulnerability footprint than the Enterprise Linux distributions or the most recent major Mac OS X release."

The implication here is that greater numbers of disclosed problems only increase an operating system's "vulnerability footprint." Attendees of Jones' solo session at TechEd, including people who described themselves as loyal Windows admins, seized upon that characterization as ungrounded. Just because a problem isn't generally known, one fellow said, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Another pointed out occasions where his beta testing team found numerous problems with Vista's betas, a great many of which he claimed persist in the release edition. But in working with Microsoft, he got the impression that certain problems, while acknowledged, fail to rise to the level of "vulnerability."

Yet another brought up the question of how vulnerabilities become enrolled in the NVD database to begin with. As Jones' report indicates, Vista vulnerabilities are first made public through Microsoft's own security bulletins. By contrast, others in the audience said, Linux vulnerabilities are often discovered by the open source community at large. They may be part of the public database before the vendors take a hard look at them - a process which Jones appeared to argue was not all that beneficial for the vendors.

Microsoft's Security Technology Unit Director Jeffrey JonesFurthermore, part of the presentation of Jones' own report could be condensed at points to read, "Please Insert Your Doubts Here." One footnote regarding the whole issue of the validity of disclosed vulnerabilities appears to concede a degree of fuzziness exists there, even in Jones' own mind:

"Disclosures are harder to track than fixes," Jones writes, "since for fixes one only has to check the vendor site, but for disclosures one has to check many locations where vulnerability information could have been published and then validate that the vulnerability applies. This is as accurate as I can be, but if someone identifies further vulnerability disclosures that I missed, I will acknowledge it and update appropriately."

While Jones appears here to welcome corrections -- and even took on a kind of "Bring it on" stance during his solo session at TechEd -- the "About the Author" section at the close of his report contains a caveat: "Jeff actively encourages readers to challenge his assumptions, analysis and conclusions and provide critical feedback," it reads, "but asks for equal (or better) rigor in methodology and analysis to support the challenges, as opposed to enthusiastic espousal of unsupported evangelistic fervor."

At another TechEd session, Jones was asked to share his slide with attendees of an otherwise very convincing session on Vista security improvements by Michael Howard, Microsoft's security program manager. Howard spoke on specific Vista improvements such as Address Space Load Randomization and Data Execution Prevention, although with regard to the latter, Howard regretted not being able to apply it to Internet Explorer 7 mainly because pages that used Flash, Acrobat, and other Adobe tools would cause IE7 to crash with DEP turned on.

It was amid a technical discussion about features such as these that Jones was asked to show his slide, toward the end of the hour-plus session. With only a few minutes on stage, Jones made a statement that actually subtracted from his position that Vista was more secure than XP by virtue of its smaller footprint, conceding that five years ago, not enough people were around actually finding XP's holes until it was too late.

"I argue that the industry of finding bugs is a much more mature industry today than it was, say, when XP was around," Jones said. "So we're competing in a tougher environment. But [even in light of that], there's still progress."

Jones went on to say there's a general belief that Microsoft's opinion about Vista security is that it has reached the end goal, it's done, and it's moving on to other subjects now. "I think, based on the reporting we use today, we don't believe that," he said. "We believe that we're in a really important step along the way, [in our ability to assess what we can do throughout the next five years] to keep raising the bar, and keep improving the experience for Server 2008, and products after that. That's one of the things I'd like you to take away. [Fewer disclosures represents] a great step of progress along the way."

Microsoft's security marketer Jeff Jones presents the six-month vulnerability slide at TechEd 2007.No one could possibly sit through an hour of down-to-earth technical discussion about Microsoft's security team's thorough renovation of Windows Vista's kernel, without coming away with the idea that for once in its life, the company as a whole is very serious about alleviating the architectural security issues that prior versions of Windows and its applications introduced. Reasonable people will agree that Vista makes a genuine effort, and that there's a lot to be proud of.

But with skepticism of Microsoft almost engrained into the consciousness of not only Linux admins but Windows admins as well, almost any report that uses a "scoreboard" approach as a statement of proof of Vista's progress, is going to be scrutinized very heavily. Inaccurate interpretations can and will be made. These facts probably can't be helped. But certainly they could have been foreseen.

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By Aires

edited Jun 25, 2007 - 5:10 AM

"When Microsoft's director of its Security Technology Unit Jeffrey Jones previewed a report that was soon to be published about the number of reported and addressed vulnerabilities in Windows Vista over the first six months of its consumer market shelf life, at TechEd in Orlando two weeks ago, the generally confused and negative reaction among attendees who ended up arguing with Jones for most of the session, prompted BetaNews (who was there) to decide that, amid the other news emerging that week, it wasn't worth covering."

That is SUCH a badly constructed sentence - you don't make a paragraph out of a sentence. And am I the only thinking if it wasn't worth covering - why have you covered it then? Surely you you've made a mistake and written wasn't instead of was?

Nevertheless, interesting article though.

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By SMFulton3

edited Jun 25, 2007 - 8:50 AM

Fair question, Aires. And yes, I'm often guilty of writing run-on sentences, especially when there's a lot of material yet to cover, and it's Friday...and you certainly picked a doozy. I think I might put together a Top Ten list at the end of each year (or month) of my Biggest and Best (or not) Run-On Sentences.

Anyway, to your question: Why did I not cover the story at TechEd but cover it Friday instead? I made a judgment call at the show. Seated there at the session, I paid attention to the confusion, and I asked myself, is there any news value in writing about "Admins Confused About Meaning of Chart." I decided, no. Also, though, in the back of my mind, was a glimmer of hope that if Jones was listening to his audience, he might be able to address some of their points in the report he was still working on.

Why this registered as BetaNews-worthy on Friday was because, after the report's release, the disparate interpretations caused some controversy. We had the information on hand that I believed would enable readers to sort out that confusion. So no, I didn't make a mistake - I meant "wasn't."

I'll try to keep my post-verbal drip under control this week.

-SF3

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By melkor

edited Jun 23, 2007 - 1:43 PM

It's rather deceptive, alot of software as it currently stands does not run properly on Vista, as such many people have stayed away from the OS. In other words, Vista has had a slow start, which means that there will be fewer bugs found and reported.

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By Dsfargeg

posted Jun 23, 2007 - 10:36 AM

That just shows that Vista has a lot more unpatched security holes than XP had in it's first 6 months alone. Whee.
So much about "Vista is more secure than XP". Yeah right.

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By PC_Tool

edited Jun 23, 2007 - 2:35 PM

Bzzt!

Wrong.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32596/108/
http://blog.seattlepi.nw...oft/archives/117061.asp

Vista is blowing XP(and every other OS) away in regards to the first 6 months.

Vista 15.
XP 39.

Get your facts right.

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By SirDarius

posted Jun 25, 2007 - 5:10 AM

These numbers are not exactly significant anyways,
especially since the upgrade path from 2000 (and the 9x family) to XP was much smoother than from XP to Vista.

It must be noted that the apparent large adoption of Vista is due to bundling it with computers sold to general public, not the kind of people who usually look for security holes.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jun 25, 2007 - 9:06 AM

It must be noted that the apparent large adoption of Vista is due to bundling it with computers sold to general public, not the kind of people who usually look for security holes

The adoption of XP was any different?

As for people looking for holes, we have *much* better tools now, and more knowledgeable folks working on it now than they had back when XP was initially released to make up for any percieved loss in the number or "quality" of users.

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By saint.alpha

posted Jun 23, 2007 - 2:45 AM

My only question with the linux distros is how many vulnerabilities are for the OS itself (ie core packages) and not other apps that happened to get patched at the same time.

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By GS5

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 10:07 PM

Wow, even XP had less vulnerabilities than OS X. Apple better send out their men M.I.B's to cover this up. LOL

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By carlitox

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 7:52 PM

ok fuk that then, i want my apple now, im hungry

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By lucianct

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 2:49 PM

an open source OS can't be compared with one that comes already compiled because it's easier to find bugs when you have the source... and why they don't tell anything about internet explorer? if you just visit a warez site you'll get plenty of viruses, adware, trojans etc

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By xyzcb1

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 3:10 PM

"if you just visit a warez site you'll get plenty of viruses, adware, trojans etc"

If you drive with a break, you will get into accident.

So it's MS fault that you get viruses and trojans from a Warez site, which by itself is illegal?

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By Latz !

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 6:56 PM

Warez sites are not the only place you can get viruses. Legitimate sites get infected with them also from time to time, as well as legitimate downloads. Simply being online can get you infected, see XP before SP2 came out.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 3:16 PM

You meant without breaks, right?

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By mjm01010101

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 8:27 PM

You both mean brakes, right?

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By PC_Tool

edited Jun 23, 2007 - 2:02 PM

Oh man.

Take away my "Spelling / Grammar Nazi" card.

Damn.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 2:34 PM

"Red Hat 4: 346; Windows Vista: 25. Vista Far Safer Than Linux!" On the other side came, "Red Hat 4: 81% addressed; Windows Vista: 48%. Vista Riddled With Security Holes!"

Let's break that down:

Red Hat 4:
280 plugged
66 not plugged

Vista:
12 plugged
13 not plugged

Red Hat 4 has 53 more unpatched security holes than Vista.

However you look at it, Vista is the more secure one on the patching front, so I have no idea why people try and claim victory by the fact that they've patched 81% and someone else has patched 'only' 48%.

It is down to the number of unpatched flaws the system has as to how secure it is, not how wonderfully quickly (and the success rate) some have been patched.

Yes, severity comes in to it; however at a certain point it doesn't affect the decision any more as having 1 severe flaw and having 60 not-as-severe flaws is incomparable.

The one with 60 loses.

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By school1012

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 3:00 PM

No matter what we do we are wrong. You can never win

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By The Dave

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 2:31 PM

Vista Sucks.

Google is the Devil.

I am buying an Apple computer.

I like mulch.

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By pafinator11

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 3:10 PM

The CEO of Google is on the Apple board of directors.

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By -Wanted-

posted Jun 23, 2007 - 8:57 PM

Excellent follow-up, Pafinator11.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 8:03 PM

He's also the former head of Novell.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 4:48 PM

LOL forgot about that (good one)

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By PC_Tool

edited Jun 22, 2007 - 2:20 PM

No mention of severity. No mention on how many existing unfixed had active exploits. No mention whether the vulnerabilities are for the default config. The list goes on and on.

This says nothing, for or against, it simply throws a bunch of numbers to the wind in hopes it'll start a flame-war.

Have fun guys.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 1:39 PM

I think the severity of the bugs in XP was apparent from the start and every day for 2 years.

Vista doesn't appear to have that severity, since it blames the user for the majority of it's security issues. (click UAC prompt 50,000 times? whoops, #49,000 was the one time you shouldn't have.)

Not to mention we have firefox on Vista, and we didn't with XP (at least in supported final release). ;)

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By iamtux

edited Jun 22, 2007 - 2:19 PM

We didn't have FF with XP because well... FF wasn't out yet... so its kinda hard to have something or support for something that... ya know, doesn't exist.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jun 22, 2007 - 2:20 PM

I think that was his point...

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