RSSVista's image problem personified
by Tim Conneally and Scott M. Fulton, III
It might not have even been a story meriting any extent of coverage -- Microsoft's hiring yesterday of comedian Jerry Seinfeld as its new commercial spokesperson -- had it not been for the fact that Microsoft has an image problem. That problem is due in large part to Windows Vista, and the public perception of it as somewhat less than the savior of modern computing that it was originally promoted to be in the early months of 2007.
Crispin Porter + Bogusky's new ad campaign for Microsoft will reportedly pair Seinfeld (although Hollywood sources are reporting that Will Farrell and Chris Rock were also considered) with the always hilarious Bill Gates, whom we hope will not appear as plastic or immobile. The campaign is being called "Windows, Not Walls;" and for some reason, visions of Rowan & Martin's famous "joke wall" immediately come to mind.
It is the very fact that there will be a pairing at all for comedy purposes that will ensure this campaign will be compared for message, effectiveness, humor...lighting, cinematography, wardrobe...with the "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" campaign mounted by Apple. Regardless of whether that campaign has the "reach-to-conversion" ratio of other campaigns for cars or home appliances or even computers, Apple's will most likely be viewed as among the most successful advertising productions in the history of the medium.
Not that Seinfeld's previous work in advertising has been all that bad. Just last year, he was a spokesperson for HP in its continuing "The Computer is Personal Again" campaign, which has included Mark Cuban, Pharell, Vera Wang, Shaun White, and Serena Williams, among others. That series of ads has coincided with an increase in notebook sales that amounts to 26% worldwide.
| Ask yourself, when you saw this HP ad featuring Jerry Seinfeld last year for the first time, whether you thought, "Gee, HP Presarios must not be such sucky laptops after all?" |
But we don't recall anyone at that time ever suggesting that Seinfeld's hiring by HP in 2007 (which, by the way, did feature Vista) was ever done as a rescue mission to repair HP's fallen image. Companies hire commercial spokespersons all the time, especially good ones like Seinfeld. Only in Microsoft's case could anyone have jumped to the conclusion that the hiring of a reputable celebrity was done as part of a rescue operation.
And whose fault is that? In July, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer mentioned an ad campaign would soon be released that would "address any lingering doubts our customers may have about Windows Vista." This statement could have been referring to Microsoft's now-infamous Mojave experiment, where users were exposed to a new Windows OS that was actually just Vista; since the videos were revealed shortly after Ballmer made the statement. Or it could be referring to the upcoming Seinfeld campaign, which is expected to premiere on September 4th.
As of today, we're still awaiting Microsoft's comment on whether the upcoming ads are, in fact, a continuation of Mojave, or something new.
Senior Vice President Carmi Levy of AR Communications told BetaNews, "I think Microsoft has been quite up-front about the gap between the public's perception of Vista's capabilities and Vista's actual capabilities. The company earlier this summer admitted it needed to invest more resources into addressing lingering public perceptions that Vista is a dog of a product that has failed to live up to its potential. Signing Jerry Seinfeld up as a spokesperson is an early step along this road."
| As we all know, the right commercial spokesperson can spell phenomenal success for both a product and its manufacturer. |
That attempt at transparency, however, may actually contribute to the problem, because Ballmer's statements carried with them a much stronger message. Microsoft is making a $300 million advertising expenditure simply to clean up the public's opinion of Vista. Whatever truths there are about the quality of the operating system, Microsoft has allowed the perception problem to get so bad that even the operating system's celebrity representatives have become newsworthy.
The truth about Windows Vista, when we get down to brass tacks, is that it isn't all that different from the last two major revisions of Windows. It is far from a thing of beauty, nor is it completely workable, even after SP1. But it is also a far cry from Windows Me, perhaps Microsoft's single worst rendition of the OS. In the end, it's no worse on its worst days than Windows XP on its worst.
But XP was never under such an intense spotlight during its life cycle (which was supposed to have already ended). Vista's failures give even its most expert users the impression of XP as some oasis of efficiency and manageability. Part of the reason for that is simply because Vista hasn't met expectations. But the other part is because statements like Ballmer's have only helped magnify the problem. As a result, any move Microsoft may make to address Vista's image, whether it hires Seinfeld or Chris Rock or Walter Cronkite, may be taken as a validation that a more critical problem exists, one which cuts into the core of its design.
And all Apple has to do is post a follow-up saying, "See? Told you."
A retired Madison Avenue ad executive told one of us 30 years ago, as advice for how to write for the public, that once you plant a seed of doubt in the reader's mind as to whether the efficacy of something you yourself are doing (case in point, making stupid grammatical errors), the reader will inevitably come to believe it.
Last year, Vista's product manager Nick White admitted to BetaNews that the main problem with the OS was the lack of a real marketing push. We saw the beginnings of the "Open up your digital life" campaign, but it did little to reverse the bad press Vista had already received.
As Levy continued, this latest move to unite the comedy team of Seinfeld and Gates "isn't so much a knee-jerk reaction to this situation than it is a concerted effort by Microsoft to shed its image as a stodgy marketer. Apple has its rock star CEO Steve Jobs who turns every major announcement into a cultural event. Microsoft has never had similar DNA, but that doesn't mean it can't take a stab at being a little cooler than it has been in the past."
As some have suggested, Microsoft might do better to spend its $300 million in an effort to simply improve, or correct, Vista. The problem is, Microsoft has already tried that approach: concentrating on improving the product, in the face of mounting criticisms -- some real, some contrived. It's the approach Sen. John Kerry took in 2004 when he was attacked for a number of made-up reasons, and we all know what happened to him.
One is left wondering: Has Microsoft successfully been "swift-boated?"
Levy suggests "Microsoft isn't in crisis mode just yet. But the writing is on the wall for both of its major cash cow franchises, Windows and Office. The shift toward the Web is putting pressure on Microsoft to address market performance shortcomings more aggressively. I would expect more high profile marketing announcements along the lines of the Jerry Seinfeld deal in the months to come, as Microsoft can no longer afford to trail the industry in terms of the punching power of its messaging."
Regardless of any shortcomings Vista may have -- and there definitely are some -- had the public perception of the operating system in the beginning of its life cycle not been allowed to slip into negative territory, the very subject of Seinfeld's hiring would not have merited so much attention. As an exercise, extract Microsoft from this argument for a moment and substitute Dell -- another company with a negative perception problem. Pair Jerry Seinfeld with Michael Dell. Such an appointment would have merited maybe a blurb running along the crawler of MSNBC. And that would've been it.
When you plant a seed of doubt about yourself or your own work in someone else's mind, you've given it the fertilizer it needs to grow and flourish. On day one of the Seinfeld campaign, he'll already be facing an uphill battle. He'll be expected to "rebut" Apple. And though he may be a genius in the art, comedy may not be the real attitude adjustment that Microsoft needs now.
| Here's a clip from what British viewers still consider one of the most memorable celebrity-spearheaded campaigns of the 1980s. Compaq, you may recall, never had an image problem, and perhaps John Cleese was one reason why. |
280 Comments
The problem with Vista is it is incompatible with most firewall software I myself block 23 access points from Microsoft(xp) with my present firewall, They have back doors built into everything in the system and it is the most unsecured O.S. in the world.
Only Microsoft's firewall and software work showing their want of control and snooping in the public's machines.
Microsoft's firewall only stops incoming traffic but allows programs to send things out i.e.)Microsoft then collects data this way and uses it to do illegal searches of peoples machines.
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How is the 64 bit version of Vista running these days? I know they had a lot of problems at the start with driver support etc...
I am asking because i am going to build a new machine in a month or so.
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Runs great on my two machines. No issues or lockups at all.
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thanks.
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The only issue that I found which is really not a big deal is the Red Alert 3 beta test does not support 64 bit. Thought that was rather odd.
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Works great! I have Vista SP1 Home Premium x64 and Ultimate x64 installed on two computers and they work great! Definitely the best OS out there :) kicks crap OS X's ass!
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I have a laptop that is running on Vista Home Premium and I have a tower computer that is running xp. The laptop has crashed and burned 4 repeat 4 times in 5 months. The xp machine has crashed once in 7 years when the hard drive failed. Which one do you think I prefer to use? XP because it works!
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Iam sure that the 54 year old Seinfeld will have great appeal to the tech savvy Nik/Disney generation. Who the heck are they trying to target?
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For people who just want something that works straight out the box, Apple are great. Basically they make cool-looking gadgets for people who want to use technology without actually understanding it. Gadget lovers. I've got loads of friends like that (look! I plugged it in, and hey presto, I can edit my video with this ready-made utility!) As they don't really understand computing, these people have no desire to customize their hardware and software to do something outside the bounds of what the manufacturer want you to do in their best commercial interests. Computers and MP3 players for dummies. Apple are VERY good at it. And more power to them. Their customers love it, because that's what they want - no hassle "just works" tech.
Linux is the other end of the spectrum, and could be great, if it wasn't for the fact that all the things people have got to love while using Microsoft (not the OS, the apps and utilities that run on it) are not yet available. I don't WAN'T to have to dual boot OSs or run emulation software just to load up something that I find useful that I can't get for linux.
Microsoft play the middle ground, although have slowly but surely moved to try to be more like Apple, seeing how successful their model is. They fail because they can't attract the Mac crowd, who are already happy with their "just works" "looks great" gadget OS, while Microsoft's concentration on such (from my perspective as an IT professional) nonsense, is alienating. I just want them to build a highly functional, streamlined, OS that gets FASTER with each iteration. Hell, hardware gets faster exponentially it seems, why can't the software follow?
And as for functionality, Microsoft are hopeless. There STILL isn't even a decent file manager in Windows for advanced users! I have to pay to use xplorer2 or another replacement, and how integral to the OS is that? There's no decent password management (I use Keepass), search facility (I use Locate32), disk imaging (I use Disk Snapshot), media player (foobar), media manager (xnview), system cleaner (ccleaner) etc etc... the list goes on and on. What do we get instead? Some new pretty 3d animations, DRM, over-the-top security for idiots who get viruses every five minutes (yeah, most people) and enough other stuff to drag on resources so hard that you have to buy the latest hardware just to run it at the same speed as XP.
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Microsoft has held back innovation and kept computer users in the stone ages of computing. When people switch to a Mac or visit an Apple store for the first time and spend time in front of a gorgeous and sexy Mac, it's like stepping out of a sewage plant where an entire city's piss and defecation is processed and stepping into a massive spring garden on a bright sunny day.
Hey, even Microsoft's own people are making the switch:
http://cultofmac.com/mic...-happy-mac-convert/2342
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Not everyone wants to own a machine that places hardware looks, software looks, and enforced tie-ins to corporate strategy above functionality tied to total user configurability.
If you do, fine, and you may even be right that a lot of other people should make the switch, but to people like me who want a computer to run exactly as *I* want it to - both with it's hardware and it's software, the Mac - and other Apple products - are nothing better than pretty-looking toys, and your over-enthusiastic insistence that they are superior in every way - which they are blatantly not (hello? configurability?), just makes you look like a tech-ignorant child.
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IMHO since 2000 Microsoft dedicates more efforts and resources to their own protection and the protection of hardware providers than to a better service to its customers. In 2008 they are simply collecting the results of their attitude towards users, most of which are not pirates but totally legal institutions like governements, big corporations, airlines, banks etc. in the hands of professionals who know what they are doing and are essentially conservative being their responsability at stake, mostly using Linux for servers and Windows 2000/XP for desktops. This prepared and professional people never becomes lured but suspicious towards the new proposals of Microsoft.
In the other side pirate copies are so easy to obtain everywhere as Linux and easier to install and use. It is simply impossible to put an end to this. You can't "uninvent" any existing pirate copy, but only fight against its public use or distribution using the laws.
IMO the image of Microsoft is not in danger, but I'm afraid you can't say the same about their commercial interests.
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Invest that much in fixing the product and security holes and it will be a better investment.
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I don't really care what Microsoft does with Vista. What annoys me the most is that as their customer they try to take away my perfectly reasonable demand for choice. I don't want Vista. I don't care what you do with it, Microsoft. Don't try to force it upon us by stopping sales of XP.
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Or you could switch to a Mac and be done with Winblows altogether...
http://movies.apple.com/..._20080408_r640-9cie.mov
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Why on earth would I want to do that? Apple is worse than Microsoft. You can only run MacOS on Apple hardware, or at least Apple tries extremely hard to keep it that way.
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hahahah, just goes to show how much you know.
We run a triple boot on generic PC hardware.
laughing at the PC noobs...
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That may be true but the osx project is still rough on hacked machines...
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There's nothing wrong with healthy competition but internetworld7 and the other obsessed Apple fanboys have some real issues.
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what was that lewis black line, something like "personal ball washer"
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LOL
That guy slays me!
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But BN would be sooo boring without these people...
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Bring back the Stones. We'll all relive the summer of 95 all over again.
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I much preferred the Summer of 69.... ;)
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I suspect that Vista is mostly a victim of "Internet Lemming Syndrome", something that is becoming more and more prevalent as social networking via the internet garners ever larger numbers.
Vista's launch has essentially been hardly better or worse over the first year than Win95, Win98, or WinXP.
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Don't hate the player, hate the load times for the game...
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While Vista suffers from image problems, Mac and iPhone sales are skyrocketing! The Mac has gone from a niche player to the 800 pound gorilla in the room:
http://macdailynews.com/...p/weblog/comments/18242/
Humor me with all of your childish insults if you want to, but most of you here will be on the Mac bandwagon before long. The Mac is simply too awesome of an OS to ignore forever! :)
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MobileMe
3G connection issues.
lawsuits...
...yeah, they're doing real good.
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Yes Mac OS X is a nice OS; that's not the problem. The problem is the cost of Apple's hardware. Every computer they sell is over-priced. And a lot of guys just don't give a damn about cool form factor and pretty design.
So, internetworld7 please stop trying to convince every one to buy a mac...unless you're willing to pay.
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I would go with linux before ever buying a Mac.
Got ubuntu installed on my laptop, it's a very nice OS (but my wifi won't function)
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Here's a humorous but enlightening article for you and every other misguided PC nut to chew on:
http://www.maclife.com/a...hut_their_damn_pieholes
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But can your Linux do this:
http://movies.apple.com/..._20080408_r640-9cie.mov ?
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Congrats!
Now you have a robust print server.
Run Mac with VMWare Fusion and you can have OSX, Windows (any flavor you chose), Linux, and any other x86 environment you want running concurrently.
And you can b!tch about whichever one or two or three you hate at your leisure.
Oh, and should we mention you have your choice of applications.
Whereas with just Linux...well, we'll give you a few minutes to review the concept of 'applications'... ;-)
With Linux alone you have...a great print server.
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MobileMe and 3G
Is that the best[/i] you can come up with as a list of problems?
I'm disappointed.
The fact is Apple is doing well.
And it certainly makes sense to get a Mac and have [i]your choice of environments - especially if you are running VMWare Fusion.
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Sure thier doing well financially but theyve still got major issues to fix like 3G.
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LOL true.
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Those have got to be some of the lamest reasons Ive read yet. Not even worth your time to read.
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Hey, if one of your choices is Mac OS, sure. If not, why pay for it?
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As if there are more prescient reasons for running Windows than 'everyone else is doing it'?
Just read the glowing reviews by Windows users here!
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LOL. This just proves how horribly misinformed you are Mr. M$ fanboy. In spite of these miniscule problems, Apple's customer satisfaction is FAR higher than any PC rival and I mean FAAAARRRR higher:
http://www.forbes.com/20...e.html?partner=yahootix
Holla back @ ya boy!
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dvferret are you a parrot? Because parrots repeat what they hear without understanding what they're saying. The numbers of people that these recent issues affect are minor and we know Apple will have a fix sooner rather than later. Here is what the majority of Apple customers REALLY think of Apple:
http://www.forbes.com/20...e.html?partner=yahootix
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LOL. Sad but so true...
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Thats for computers, not phones you fool.
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A robust secure print server. ;)
With a little more work, it could be a rather nice portable web filter.
http://www.untangle.com/
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well i guess i neglected to clarify, laptop with vista and ubuntu, alas 'applications' are not a problem as both work great for my needs
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Trolling trolling trolling
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Damm, this must be a end of the month spewage to meet the Apple quota. Need to collect the apple paycheck.
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Reality reality reality
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You miss it, don't you?
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which microsoft windows product has not been full of bug on launch and why did mircosoft spend so much money trying to get people to upgrade vista and not wait till service pack 1. Window Me was bad most had to reinstall windows 98 and remember the bug that microsoft couldnt fix or almost all programs would have to be patch to work and window 95a which so bad that you had to install version b
i, like most long time windows users did not touch vista until sp1. i have had no real problems other them trying to work out the new networks controls
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"i, like most long time windows users..."
Ouch! That has got to suck. Are you taking anything for that? If not I recommend a large dose of Macintosh. But don't worry though, you don't need a prescription from your doctor. Just walk into your local Apple pharmacy and ask for a Windows cure. A Mac Genius will be more than happy to cure you. :)
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I don't think the problem with Vista is of being buggy...the problem to me is that it brings nothing new to the table hence offering no reason whatsoever to upgrade from XP. Microsoft should have just called it Windows XP Second Edition and it would have gone down much more smoothly in people's stomach.
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"...the problem to me is that it brings nothing new to the table hence offering no reason whatsoever to upgrade from XP."[/i]
That was quite the herbally-enhanced comment. [i]Nothing new, you say...
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A good article on Vista regarding the 'FUD' spread around.
http://www.tweakguides.com/VA_1.html
It shares much the same sentiments that I have.
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I think MS waited to long to come up with something after the Apple campaign started. I just think Steve Ballmer isn't the man to run MS. I think Bill Gates had him take over because their friends and he didn't want to hurt his feelings. With business though you can't worry about feelings when it comes to friends, thats why they say friends and business don't mix well.
I think MS needs some fresh paint with a new young CEO that knows tech and has an idea where MS and the Windows brand needs to go. I don't think Ballmer has a clue because he's out of his league.
Ballmer is to worried and blined by Google to open up his eyes and see the full picture. The things I think MS should put first is this.
1) Getting a better rep for Vista by adding more things to the next service pack. Maybe if they can add WinFS or something. Get companies to make more driver, maybe even make a commercial about Vista 64 and try and push that since I hear better things about that than Vista 32.
What MS should have done is right when Apple ran their smear campaign, MS should have come back with something of their own. Maybe a similar campaign showing Mac OS' faults (lack of software and games), maybe something like "Vista has tons of games and software, and for Apple to catch up they had to crate Boot Camp so Windows could be run on a Mac. Why get a more expensive Mac to run Windows when you can just get a PC". Something as simple as that may have put a different seed in peoples minds.
2) They should push more for Xbox 360. MS is doing pretty well in the gaming industry and they should keep putting more resources into that. When Sony said the PS3 was going to have bluray MS should have made a 360 with HD-DVD, when EA put in a bid for T2 MS should have put a better one. If MS is smart their already working on their next Xbox and it should come out in the next 2-3 years. They should also work on a Xbox Handheld that works with Xbox live. Also with this I would make Xbox live mobile work on a cellular network GSM or CDMA so kids can play when their on the go. They can go in with AT&T, Verizon or even get a good deal with Sprint.
These are only a couple things I think could be done but since Bellmer is oblivious their not getting done.
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Vista is the buggiest OS M$ has ever developed. It should still be labeled as Alpha. This thing has so many annoying bugs it's not funny. And not even Jerry Seinfeld can make it funny. In fact, just like Vista, Jerry Seinfeld is annoying and he sucks.
Penguin Power!!!
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which microsoft windows product has not had full of bug on launch and why did mircosoft spend so much money trying to get people to upgrade vista and not wait till service pack 1. Window Me was bad most had to reinstall windows 98 and remember the bug that microsoft couldnt fix or almost all programs would have to be patch to work and window 95a which so bad that you had to install version b
i, like most long time windows users did not touch vista until sp1. i have had no real problems other them trying to work out the new networks controls
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"which microsoft windows product has not had full of bug on launch"
Windows 2000 Pro.
And even with SP1 Vista has so many unnecessary bugs, like remembering folder size and remembering network passwords. Trouble launching application from the start menu. And the lists goes on. If does common things don't bother you then Vista is perfect you. But for me it's annoying all hell. In all there are 13 registry hacks on my Vista machine to get the damn thing to run the way I like. And even so I still can find a solution for the remembering of network password. I had to write a couple of .cmd files to put in the startup menu to load my network connections. So like I said in my humble opinion Vista is M$'s buggiest OS ever.
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Really?
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/...00000121,2076967,00.htm
I'd say that well over 63,000 confirmed[/i] bugs in the [i]final shipped release is a lot, wouldn't you?
Sounds like a lot to me.
There's a reason why there were 4 service packs during Windows 2000's lifespan.
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I'm not really taking about security bugs. There will always be new exploits to patch. I'm talking about bugs that affect day to day operations of Vista. Like problems with shortcuts in the start menu not launching programs. Just basic stuff that should not be a problem in any OS.
But I still say Win2k was M$' the best OS.
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Here's my take on Vista at the moment, it's ok for us techie people, but i am having the majority of "regular" users tell me they hate it, generally.
Already been hired quite a few times to do XP downgrades, even though i told them i could get their machines to run Vista pretty well, they also are not happy about the overall interface changes or other little annoyances. And when they ask me what i still run, well i have to be honest and say XP (for my main OS - i do have Vista running well on an alternate machine here, and it's just fine)
Basically, Vista can work fine, but i think they generally over-designed this OS for the average joe. With some tweaking though, i have it running great on a pretty weak spare PC. Then again i tweak the hell of of XP also, so i can't really knock Vista for having to do that.
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is it just me but does anyone else find it strange the lack of a comment in this massive mess from tool?
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Had better things to do.
Nice to see none of you did. :)
Sure makes me feel better.
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They never disappoint, do they?
Nor do they exceed expectations...
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I always enjoy reading PC_Tools comments.
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Thanks!
...jerk. ;)
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Vista x64 with SP1 is the best OS out there. Why do people blame Vista if they have old hardware and software? Yes it does require newer hardware. And for those who can't run older software in Vista, try this: right click that program and select 'Run As Administrator'. By default Vista gives administrators standard use privilege, that's why many older applications don't work because they either try to write to Windows, it's sub-folder, program files folder and HKLM or try to run with admin privilege by assuming having admin rights, which wouldn't succeed in Vista unless you have admin rights. This is cool because it will leave viruses almost useless even if you are logged in as administrator. I had many software and games that was not compatible with Vista installed and I managed to run them successfully w/o crashing by doing so. And don't bark and blame Vista if hardware drivers cause Vista to crash or show BSOD, almost all the crashes in Vista are because of drivers which is not Microsoft's fault!!
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From a computer builder and repair tech point of vue: Vista is crap.
It give me so many headaches, I now charge 50% more to work on PC with Vista than I do for PC with XP. Standard rate for XP reinstall: 2 hours. For Vista: 3 hours.
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hm, so if i get this right, MS has decided to attempt to not only keep hackers from accessing your hard drive, but you, the computer owner as well? I may be paranoid but that's a bit extreme :)
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But its purty!
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I now charge 50% more to work on PC with Vista than I do for PC with XP. Standard rate for XP reinstall: 2 hours. For Vista: 3 hours.
I'll be waiting for your going-out-of-business party!
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On the flip side, in our shop we have only ever had Vista PCs in for repair due to hardware failure issues, not OS-related problems... the only exception being a boot manager corruption issue (directly related to hard drive problems), which Vista's DVD repair feature took care of effortlessly.
Windows XP still firmly holds the title of Malware Sponge. Vista was an extreme about-face in the right direction from a security stand point compared to their previous offerings (server line not included). On the drivers front, manufacturers have had ample opportunity to make their hardware Vista-compatible in the past 1½ years (longer than that, considering the immense amount of time Vista was in development and testing). Vista contains a massive library of drivers on the DVD, with an equally impressive number of additional drivers available through Windows Update, and still growing... much more than any other OS.
Honestly, from another computer builder and repair tech's point of view, I wouldn't put much faith in your ability to troubleshoot and repair a Vista PC. It sounds like a lack of sufficient knowledge of the OS on your part... no offense intended.
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Boy! You certainly work like a slug!
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How about Microsoft spends the $300 million on Windows 7 development. A good product will talk for itself.
Stop throwing already wasted dollars at Vista!
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*BREAKING NEWS*
Here is undeniable proof that Microsoft is innovative and comes up with it's own ideas:
http://macdailynews.com/...p/weblog/comments/18240/
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Safari also copied IE by trying to get as many security vulnerabilities as possible during it's tenure on Windows systems.
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NEWFLASH!
You are an idiot, everyone uses everyone's ideas its how you stay competitive.
MS had user-created apps and games on the Zune before Apple too and didn't charge extra for it either.
MS had system restore before Apple too
Even Mac users don't use Safari
If you weren't such a fanboy you'd realize every company uses each others ideas.
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We all know you are Steve Jobs gay partner, so don't keep barking. Apple and Macs suck!! It's the Windows OSs dominating the market not that rotten Apple. Just STFU you moron!!
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Agreed. What about switch user feature? M$ had that feature before Apple, then Apple implemented that feature in their Tiger OS. The same goes with wide screen in Zune which is now present in iPhone 3G and so many other features that they have implemented in crap OS X. As if Apple keep innovating w/o copying or stealing ideas. Anway Apple sucks. Damn Apple fan boys, seems like all the apple fan boys have the same Steve Jobs gayish virus in them :P
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I mean seriously? really? honestly? Did you 'look' for that? I mean, took time out of your life to search for it...then come on here and post it? really?
You're the reason why I don't own a Mac.
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lol wow. you are sad. o omg firefox doesnt have that. and what a crappy website you posted to. time it was redone.
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*laughs*
...and they call *me* a tool....
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Internetworld7 you're ennoying dude with your MacDailyNews bulls**t...stop making a fool of yourself, seriously.
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That settles it then...
Internetworld7 is henceforth known as Mac_Tool. :)
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Yup, UNIX - Sys5 and BSD - didn't have a change user function until almost 20 years before Windows, and Zune is simply taking the market by storm (poor iPod).
It must be nice to have only tried Windows and to think that you have a clue about the much larger world of OSes - especially if you think Windows is the most mature and capable! (But enjoy your absolutely delusional fantasy!)
With your prodigious knowledge of OSes, stick to playing games.
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"annoying"
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Yes, you are. :)
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So because the Zune isn't taking the market by storm its a bad product?
So does that mean Windows is the best since everyone uses it?
The point is no one has original ideas they are all borrowed in one way or another, hell most Linux distros can't decide if they want to be Windows or Mac-Like.
If OSX was able to be installed on any pc more people would use it, the fact remains you are paying $1000 for OSX the hardware is nothing different then any other pc on the market.
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