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lo espero

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I am not happy with the MS dicission. I am simply against them, whats taking them to take such a long time to give the SP3? there are more then 200 patches & updates need after the release of SP2.....

Well, I will be thinking to shift to LINUX for the time being........

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In January I'll buy Windows Vista, so I don't care about WinXP SP3

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"Q1 of 2008 ....so it makes sense to release it closer to Longhorn's timeframe"
"I'm in no rush for SP3 to show up"

Someone might want to check a calendar. Or maybe that is a more realistic date for Longhorn/Vista. 2006 - 2007 - 2008 Hey, after all, they're only one digit apart!

Evidently no one else is in a 'rush' either, as they are evidently busier redefining the word 'rush'! ;-)"
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He meant Longhorn Server, which will require update to the kernel so that XP will support connecting to Longhorn Server Domains. Even Vista SP1 will be a major kernel update so that it will support Longhorn Server.

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Perhaps Microsoft should start charging a fee for service packs. If you could get XP SP3 right now, wouldn't you pay a nominal fee for it?

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you know, I am now very tired of Microsoft that I am considering going over to Mac. I have been a computer technician and computer user for some 16 years now, even before internet. It seems that Microsoft's main objection is simply money and nothing more. Their sloppy work has proven that, but I also understand it is difficult to write software especailly when there is a hacker out there ready to ruin it all for you.

But their lack of concern for their present customers is really disturbing to me. Microsoft wishes to control your every use of your computer via many ways through software and I do not think they have that right after you purchase their product for a rediculous amount of money. Another things that disturbs me and does greatly, is you do not own that software, your only buying the rights to use it, but use it only with their permission to do so. I was told that myself via a rep from Microsoft. I also told the rep, how dare you people try to place others in computer slavery by controlling their every use on their computer.

Folks, I think it is time that each and every person who buys microsofts product to consider something else. I do not see Microsoft changing its mind on much of anything as far as control is concerned over their software. You have a right to use their software after you buy it, but keep in mind, you do not own it and that is where they get you. they fully intend on controlling people and how you use their software, and in my estimation, if you bought it, you should have the right to use it on any computer at any time you wish and also use it with any hardware you wish. But it seems that shall not be the case.

I have a great amount of doubt there shall ever be a sp3 for windows XP, as far as I am concerned that is a stall and ploy to force you to buy Vista, which is over priced and blown way out of proportion by Microsoft. Now I have not used Vista yet but I have seen it and read a great deal about it on many IT nets, and many many people are not happy with it and that makes me wonder why. Perhaps it is not as perfect as Microsoft implies.

Just my thoughts on this.....

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Most people will use autopatcher.
But I think it is better if microsoft release the new windows cd with as many as possible patch included, even it is not a sp3.
By doing this it will make the microsoft name better. if not people will say that microsoft products are too old and too much bugs

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Remember, even after Vista comes out, MS has still got Longhorn Server to finish (which will probably be released in tandem with Vista SP1), so that's where their development resources are going to be. As for XP, I don't see MS discontinuing SP3, but I also don't see any more service packs for XP after SP3.

I think wicketr brings up a very good point that in the era of broadband internet, the need for service packs somewhat diminishes, but it doesn't disappear. Service packs include fixes for much more than just security fixes--memory leaks, improper functionality, support for newer hardware to name a few. A service pack is more than just that. On an engineering level it's an evolution of a development target, of the platform. Where hotfixes and security fixes just patch the problems, a service pack merges those code alterations back into the primary platform branch (in this case you'd be merging post-SP2 code back into the SP2 branch to make SP3). So it's not just a matter of throwing the patched files into a big executable and releasing it. That's why hotfixes and security fixes are tagged as QFEs, or Quick-Fix Engineering patches (there are also GDRs, General Distribution Releases, but AFAIK, these are just QFEs that have been thoroughly tested). The development of a service pack is ensuring that those code fixes work well together and don't break APIs or make the system unstable.

But beyond all the reasons behind the delay, it's still unacceptable. Three and half years between service packs, Vista or not, just doesn't show MS's current customers the respect they deserve.

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When 2008 rolls around, watch for the announcment of the cancellation of SP3. "We've listened to our customers and determined they do not another service pack so we'll be offering this half-assed security roll-up instead." They did it with NT 4 SP7 and then again with Windows 2000 SP5, I don't doubt one bit they'll end up doing it again with XP. Funny that XP has been out far longer than any other version of Windows yet it hasn't even gotten past SP2.

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All those NOT upgrading to Vista raise your hands! (moi)

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" MacDonald suggested that vendors instead recognize the positive benefits of Microsoft's architectural changes, and simply change their plans."

That will rank right up there with the "it's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature" remark.

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Q1 of 2008 is fine. SP3 was always meant to include some Longhorn compatibility updates, so it makes sense to release it closer to Longhorn's timeframe (if it holds true). I would though like to see a post-SP2 security rollup released before then. I'm in no rush for SP3 to show up, but a rollup would be great.

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Lets see. We are now in 2006, right? They release Vista early in 2007, right? That means they need over a year to get a service pack out for XP. The obvious conclusion is that they expect so many bugs in Vista that they will have their hands full all of next year.

Recommendation: Stay with XP.

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well i do like MS products, but they way thinga are looking i may end up switching to lunix as my main OS. i will not jump into vista right away and dont plan too for quite some time, if they stop supporting XP they can kiss my a** goodbye

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This is pathetic. How many years are we supposed to wait for a service pack? Sounds like another ploy to encourage people to run out and buy Vista. Well if this is the best they can do as far as their OS support they can jump off a cliff and die. I will NEVER buy another product from Microsoft.

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ReactOS is sounding better and better all the time. What happened to the Microsoft that made six service packs for Visual Studio 6.0?

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might as well leave it till thye retire windows XP or at least till they will stop making updates for it. by 2008 most users will be on Vista sense you know MS when a new OS comes out they stop supporting the old one. look at 2000 most progra,s you find these days from MS don't work on it.

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This is lame, another 2 years?

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Will someone please explain what is sooo difficult about making a service pack if its just going to have all previous updates since sp2 in it? I mean sp2 took time cause they wanted to make changes and add features. you know sp3 isnt going to do that.

So this is just laziness in my opinion. There is no legitimize reason not to release a service pack. For every previous nt based os they did on a regular basis. windows 2000 had 4, nt 4 had 6. So wtf?

See its all about customer service and microsoft doesn't see its customers they see dollar signs and thas it. They would piss on every one of us and they do on a regular basis simply because they can.

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Unfortunately I have to be patient and wait for XP SP3.
I hate Vista.
Will never buy it and will never use it.

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I can't even imagine how many fixes you will need to install by 2008. if you just happen to have an xp install disc with sp2 don't even mention those with rtm or sp1 installed. It's going to be a nightmare and most people have no clue how to slipstream updates.

Now add ie7 download and whatever else if you don't have broadband you might as well leave your computer alone for about a week so it can update.

Microsoft is doing as little as possible and what it is doing is trying to do everything they can to make money. Vista priority for example. IE7 was to catch up with firefox and fix the jugular wound that is ie6. It's all about their rep on security and making sure they get paid. ie7 will be no different then 6 it will still have security problems every month. I have no doubt people are laughing and baulking at Microsoft wondering what the heck they are thinking with half the stuff they do.

They really do have no right to be making the kind of money they are. If symantec or mcafee made decisions like this they would be bankrupt in a month. But thanks to their monopoly position they can't be touched. No matter what they do.

Heck I am surprised microsoft is going to release a sp3 at all. I would think a year after vista is relased support for xp would be thrown out. So they can "concentrate" all efforts on developing the next version of windows and ie8 slated for a 2012 release rigth?

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Neeeeed the patches rolled up. I counted 62 patches post-SP2. Prolly looking at double that at least by 2008 :X

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I'm really hoping they decide to revert their previous decision and include IE7 & WMP11 with XPSP3.

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