Windows XP will be sold to some OEMs after all, says Microsoft

By Jacqueline Emigh, BetaNews

July 2, 2008, 11:36 AM

BetaNews has confirmed that, although most of Microsoft's shipments of Windows XP did end on June 30 as scheduled, it is still making XP available to both makers of low-end Netbooks and 'systems builders,' large and small.

Monday of this week didn't exactly spell the end of Windows XP, after all. In line with its "end of life" plans, Microsoft did stop selling XP to OEMs and retailers on Monday -- but with some notable "exceptions" which Microsoft acknowledged to BetaNews Tuesday evening.

As of late Tuesday, although some supplies were starting to dwindle, plenty of XP was still for sale across the Web and in stores.

Where is all of this XP coming from, anyway? "[Monday] was the deadline for Microsoft to stop selling XP to retailers and OEMs, other than a few exceptions," a Microsoft spokesperson said, in an e-mail to BetaNews last night.

As exceptions to the general 'end of life' rule, the spokesperson mentioned both makers of low-end Netbooks and so-called "systems builders." Also in the exceptions category, he included shipment by Microsoft of "downgrade rights media."

For elaboration, the spokesperson pointed to a letter addressed to Microsoft customers by Bill Veghte, senior vice president of Microsoft's Online Services & Windows Business Group.

"It's true that [on June 30] we will stop selling Windows XP as a retail packaged product and stop licensing it directly to major PC manufacturers. But customers who still need Windows XP will be able to get it," Veghte wrote in his letter, which was supplied to BetaNews by Microsoft.

"For customers interested in buying a low-end personal computer (often referred to as a 'NetBook' or 'NetTop'), we are making Windows XP Home and Windows XP Starter available for use on these budget systems," according to Veghte. "Additionally, System Builders (sometimes referred to as 'local OEMs') may continue to purchase Windows XP through Authorized Distributors through January 31, 2009. All OEMs, including major OEMs, have this option."

In his e-mail to BetaNews last night, the Microsoft spokesperson also said that, even outside of the 'exceptions,' retailers and OEMs will still be able to sell "whatever [XP] stock they have on hand" as long as it lasts.

"They just can't purchase more from Microsoft other than for the exceptions noted," BetaNews was told.

In any event, a quick check by BetaNews on Tuesday afternoon had turned up nearly 3,000 Windows XP listings on eBay alone -- although by Tuesday night, that number had dropped to around 2,500.

Other Web venues with XP in stock on Tuesday -- generally still at customary XP pricing, but sometimes on sale -- ranged from Amazon.com to Cheap Discount Software for You (cdsfu).

A lot of the XP available on the Web consisted of Home Edition. However, SoftwareMedia.com and many others continued to sell the retail version of Professional Edition.

Best Buy's Web site was already sold out of the retail version of Professional Edition. But a blurb posted on the site said the product remained available in most Best Buy retail stores.

E-tailers such as Royal Discount and Vio Software had the OEM version of XP Professional in stock for sale over the Web. So, too, did CompUSA's Web site, together with OEM versions of Vista Home, Professional, Media Center, Premium, and Ultimate editions.

Customarily available to system builders as well as individual users, OEM versions of Windows cost less than regular versions but also levy more restrictive licensing terms. An OEM version can't be copied from one PC to another, and responsibility for OS support is transferred from Microsoft to the system builder or user.

Meanwhile, earlier in June, Dell -- which certainly qualifies as a "major OEM" -- had pledged to keep selling PCs running XP until at least 2009.

Then, on June 30, Dell leveraged its channel blog to tell systems integrators and other resellers about the loophole in the Vista license that lets business customers "downgrade" from Vista to XP.

"The short version is that Dell can sell what we've branded 'Windows Vista Bonus,' which allows us to pre-install XP Professional with a Vista license (on select system categories). This lets customers upgrade to the Vista platform when they've ready. And yes, Dell will support both OSs," according to the blog.

Even after XP's "end of life," Dell is also continuing to offer XP as an image to resellers who use Dell's Custom Factory Integration (CFI) service.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 11:44 AM

Please let his POS O/S die already MS,

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By mdotwills

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 9:57 AM

The fact is that copies of XP will still be around on the net for decades to come.

The legality of such copies is another matter altogether.

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By robmanic44

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 1:40 AM

I can't understand Intel's position on this issue. Didn't they push for the early release of Vista? Their support doesn't seem to be all that strong.

Microsoft seems to be getting mixed messages on what the customers, big and small, really want.

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By finkey

edited Jul 3, 2008 - 12:50 AM

We like Windows XP Pro and Home much more than Vista. We've hurried to order SP3 on CD and will keep Windows XP going as long as possible. So sorry to learn it's reaching end of support life. Guess we'll have to get used to Vista as it takes over.

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By mdotwills

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 10:00 AM

Yes, hopefully Windows 7 will be able to suit your needs (and mine for that matter)

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By Avion Airplane

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:43 AM

I think Windows 7 will take over

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By mdotwills

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 9:58 AM

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By internetworld7

edited Jul 2, 2008 - 9:28 PM

Good Gawd... will you just let this old, archaic, dinosaur, malware infested piece of crap die already!

I know Vista is bloated and Windows 7 is Vista Bloated 2nd edition but you guys have got to learn to except the fact that ancient and obsolete XP can't stick around for ever. Heck, why not go and dig DOS out of it's grave, at least it wasn't slow, buggy and bloated. :)

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By Secret Agent Man

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 10:19 AM

We still use Windows 98 at work. :D

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By lfmmoura

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:56 AM

I think you're missing the point. Of course, everyone wants evolution. The point is that many people fail to see a reason why Vista is worth the upgrade. Just because something is newer doesn't mean it's better. Remember Windows Me? What advantage did it bring over Windows 98? When XP came around, Win 98 was naturally (though gradually, of course) replaced. We do want to migrate to newer software, as long as newer means better. For a software to be better, it must be more secure, more stable and/or bring significant innovations. So far, Vista has failed to do much in any of these areas. And besides, this also has to do with another thing: The OS is becoming less and less important these days. A few decades from now, we'll most likely have computers with a BIOS code to connect us online, and the rest will start from there.

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By Avion Airplane

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:45 AM

alot of small companys still use windows 2000 !

just because it is stable

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By roj

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 9:50 PM

You can't keep a good piece of code down.

Especially when it works.

And the new version *doesn't*.

The market has spoken.

Deal with it.

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By internetworld7

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 10:55 PM

Sorry but I don't have to "Deal with it". I use a Mac. :)

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By roj

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 10:58 AM

One word:

Leopard.

Apple's Vista.

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By Secret Agent Man

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 10:20 AM

They just work.

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By SGD

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 9:58 AM

If you use a Mac why are you here trolling about a MS product that you obviously don't use!

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By Ryusennin

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 3:21 AM

So what the heck do you know about Vista. JSTFU.

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By DatabaseBen

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 5:44 PM

it would be funny if the release wasnt going to be Winxp ver "SP3"

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By GS5

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:43 PM

That's where Apple has an advantage over M$. They don't need to support a OS for 10+ years. They just put the New OS on their own hardware and it's business as usual. And since there are virtually no third party hardware or software available for Macs they don't have compatibility problems.

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By lfmmoura

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 9:01 AM

GS5: Also, Apple has a different approach to OSes. They usually make more frequent releases, and, since the introduction of OSX, have been focusing more on features than on bloat. Heck, they've even attempted, more than once, to make the OS lighter. This, combined with what you've said, has been a successful strategy. So much that MS is planning on going a slightly similar path from now on. At least, that's the reports I hear.

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By DeadFly

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 7:48 PM

Even major vendors like Adobe had pathetic support for the Intel platform until CS3 came out. Mind you, there was a CS2 after the Intel switch that was running mostly in "emulation".

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 5:17 PM

Don't need?

Apple just don't give a damn! They change soft/hardware every couple of years without consideration of backwards compatibility - and the Apple user mentality lets it go.

I bet if MSFT had the same philosophy they had the slickest desktop OS on the market with their resources. As it is, dragging along all the outdated crap, they are doing fairly well. It would just be nice if one could opt in for backwards compatibility.

My take is supporting XP for another 6 years gives MSFT a way out. Hopefully their strategy is to take this opportunity (and investment) to phase out the legacy.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 6:23 AM

^This^

Though Microsoft are rightly (in my view) still supporting Windows 2000 at the moment.

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By GS5

edited Jul 2, 2008 - 6:25 PM

I figured I'd be nice and say "don't need" rather than "don't give a Phuck

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By Atrius

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:34 PM

Funny that they bring this old things as news.

It is know for a long time that Microsoft will keep Windows XP for low end PCs and Windows XP will be available until January 1 2009 to system builders.

Just google Windows XP life cycle. Nothing has changed

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 3:08 PM

The simple reason MS wants to get wid of XP is it costs them more to support older code. You have to pay people to be trained on an OS that in theory requires more handholding from Vista (since Vista self-heals in a sense when it detects problems, although not very well.)

Every new MS OS serves a dual purpose to not only get people on a new Microsoft-only platform, but to reduce their costs at support, and their costs to migrate to the next OS.

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By sjc001

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:39 PM

Vista does a lot of things not very well.... One very good reason why people still want XP.

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:25 PM

New releases in NO WAY reduce support costs!

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By mjm01010101

edited Jul 2, 2008 - 5:49 PM

Sure they do. Have you seen the troubleshooting tools in Vista? You don't have those easily available in Vista. They are invaluable to me now, and I truly miss them when I get back to XP.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:20 PM

The simple reason MS wants to get wid of XP is it costs them more to support older code.

Still supporting it to 2014, so I fail to see how that's relevant.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 5:51 PM

Because in 2014 MS support costs go down. It is 100% relevant.

Microsoft charges $250,000 a year for an exchange 5.5 support contract.

Microsoft has the longest support contracts for any desktop OS's, period. Support is very important for businesses.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:59 AM

...at which point they'll be paying those same support costs in Vista.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 3:04 PM

http://h71016.www7.hp.co...entry-level-storage#nss

Lot of XP available on Refurbished HP systems...

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By Floodland

edited Jul 2, 2008 - 2:37 PM

Good for Dell and companies that listen to their customers.
Bad for MS, retiring their best OS up to date...

PCTool, from an old thread: I tested again Vista after SP1 and I have to admit: it got better, but I still prefer XP light base under the hood: Stable and faster are the top priorities for me and my clients. I tweaked the OS enough to make it fast, but not as XP, on the same hardware with similar tweaking.
I hate MS when they add some NOT useful stuff and remove useful (and basic) tools. Why in hell they removed the basic telnet client?? I use putty normally, but for some quick diag I NEED it. Just more steps to do the same (download putty every time? no way, WHY?).
You still have the Windows 3.0 font add tool in Vista, but you cannot make a quick smtp diag because they removed telnet.exe! Where is the common sense? Come on!

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:29 PM

telnet?

LOL!... and folks wonder why MS suffers from security issues! The amazing thing is that MS was STILL using it and hadn't dumped it prior to Win2000.

You just might want to inquire into a Windows variant of SSH.

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By Floodland

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 7:55 AM

No, you do not understand... If you ever need to test a SMTP, POP3 or an intranet server which seems to be failing you NEED a telnet client to see server responses (information that MS higher level software do not show). The solution with Vista is to use putty, but that implies to download it on any computer you are working at. Another useless extra step! Win XP telnet.exe weight is 70kb, too heavy to keep in the system folder? Come on!
I do not use telnet to connect to a raw telnet connection. But if you need to make a quick diag over a network, you NEED it. It is just a quick basic example on what MS fails to deliver, without reason.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:20 PM

PCTool, from an old thread: I tested again Vista after SP1 and I have to admit: it got better, but I still prefer XP light base under the hood: Stable and faster are the top priorities for me and my clients. I tweaked the OS enough to make it fast, but not as XP, on the same hardware with similar tweaking.

Are you quoting me? What thread? I don't recall ever saying anything like that.

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By Floodland

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 7:42 AM

Some weeks ago, after discussing about Vista issues you recommended me to retry Vista with SP1 (which I did not test) and return with comments.
I did another extensive testing and while improved on both performance and stability, I still do not see Vista as an advance over XP.
MS still need to apply the KISS concept when developing software... We need a clearer OS, not more hyper-fetching, preloading, hidden running crap.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:56 AM

There ain't a modem OS in existence that doesn't cache and pre-fetch. It speeds things up. it's a good thing.

As to the KISS concept, they've done that in many areas (removing the "advanced" settings, or burying them deeper int the interface) so oyu don't end up with average users messing around with virtual memory and such.

As for hidden running crap... To a point, I agree. But you and I both know how to get rid of that hidden running crap. :)

Question: How long did you have it on your system, and what, if anything, did you disable?

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By Floodland

edited Jul 3, 2008 - 11:38 AM

I am still using it on my home computer (spare disk) and a test notebook at work.
I made heavy modifications at home, disabling not needed services (half of them +-), system restore, UAC, applied a patch to disable TCP limitations (but not disabled auto tuning, by now), disabled slowing animations, security center and its annoying task icon, automatic windows update (I normally keep it up to date, but I want to choose to update when and what I want), tuned power schemes, disabled every phone-home "feature". I do not use media center, player or IE, but disabled the usual crap on them, just in case... Mhh, I made some more changes, but I really do not remember all of them, when something annoyed me, just seek for the root. Latest Nvidia drivers work pretty good (had problems before), that alone improved much the stability. The system reached good performance, but still lower than a similar properly tweaked XP.
In the test notebook at work I tried to keep everything as standard as possible, only disabling the usual things (system restore, services, security center). But its battery life decreased badly, even after installing updated drivers for every device on it. I blame the constant preloading and autodefrag, but I am guessing, not really sure about it.
About removing the advanced settings is another thing I dislike in MS. They can warn you that you would screw your computer by changing them, but not removing the chance to modify them! Security by obscurity? No way

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 12:03 PM

...as for the beginning, sounds about right. Par for the course on anything but a system built for Vista (Built well, mind you).

About removing the advanced settings is another thing I dislike in MS. They can warn you that you would screw your computer by changing them, but not removing the chance to modify them! Security by obscurity? No way

If they had completely removed *any* of that, admins, power users, and trolls alike would be screaming their heads off about it. They *had* to keep the advanced options in there, so they compromised and buried them.

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By skimore

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 1:45 PM

There is still a HUGE need for windowsXP.
Alot of us have hundreds of winXP machines running and need to keep them running. Vista is NOT an option. Maybe the next one. but M$ needs to keep the OS simple for the enterprise. Simple meaning: fast, low memory needs, light graphics.. 98% of of our 300 machines are running 5 apps and only need to run them. IT does not want to re-edu our work force at this time. We have health care professionals not HIGH end graphics people working on macs.. keep it simple.. Computers are a tool to do a business task...

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By God Dammit

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 2:33 PM

It doesn't make sense to spend the extra money on a Mac only to run Windows on it. For every Mac business application there is an equal Windows counterpart. It probably would have been better to put that extra money towards running Vista on a dull looking business PC (non Apple). Industries such as health care don't need fancy looking computers. They need computers that focus on function over form.

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:24 PM

I suspect that in your mind this response is something less than non sequitur and that there is some foundation for it.

And that is good, as the rationale is lost everywhere else But in your vivid imagination.

But while you are on the subject of Macs - something that no one else has mentioned with regards to the sale of XP (doh!) what Windows business application of yours talks natively to the backend UNIX systems? Obviously you have never dealt with a mixed environment where terminal emulation such as Hummingbird Exceed exceeds the cost differential of a Mac...not to mention the kludge that it represents. Not to mention that for business desktops one could easily employ Mini-Macs and base MacBooks where your imagined higher cost is exactly that - limited to your imagination.

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 1:59 PM

What does logic have to with it do when marketing is involved?

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 1:19 PM

Yet another "XP death sentence" article.

Oh will the joy never end?

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By preinterpost

edited Jul 2, 2008 - 12:54 PM

Why is there a comma ',' or full stop '.' at the end inside almost every quotation?

Alright, I'll shut it and keep the peace... O:)

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 3:05 PM

We need more grammar lessons around here also.

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By preinterpost

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 8:55 AM

Indeed. It'd be the only useful thing for me to pick up here... ;-)

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 8, 2008 - 8:47 AM

Humor is incredibly useful. It's healing properties are well documented as well as it's potential to relieve stress and anxiety.

This site provides an ample dosage. ;)

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By Faustus

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 12:44 PM

Beta News 2012: Despite being pulled from the market 4 years ago Microsoft is readying Windows XP SP5

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By Briantist

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 12:23 PM

Only a monopoly company could think of withdrawing a product there is demand for!

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By thartist

edited Jul 3, 2008 - 12:10 AM

There is a market. There is more than A market.

The world is not only the US and Europe's richer countries. And not only desktops, but also enterprises.

Vista is Not Suitable because of 3 reasons. It's own price, hardware's reqs' cost, and unnecesary itself.

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By the artist

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 12:12 AM

There is a market. There is more than A market.

The world is not only the US and Europe's richer countries. And not only desktops, but also enterprises.

Vista is Not Suitable there because of 3 reasons. It's own price, hardware reqs' cost and being most completely unnecessary.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 12:42 PM

There's demand for Ferrari 250 GT Spyder Californias, but are they still making them?

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By sjc001

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 4:42 PM

Can you afford one????

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 5:04 PM

Depends if they accept Zimbabwe Dollars.

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By foxfyre

posted Jul 2, 2008 - 12:19 PM

It's as if Bill hasn't left at all!

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By Secret Agent Man

posted Jul 3, 2008 - 10:22 AM

He really didn't. He may have stepped down from the throne, so to speak, but he's still very involved with the company.

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