XP's death sentence may not be commuted

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

April 24, 2008, 12:43 PM

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April 24, 2008 - 6:10pm: A Microsoft spokesperson has officially quelled any speculation over a change in strategy. According to an official statement, Microsoft's current plans to end XP sales are "unchanged", and the company is "confident that's the right thing to do based on the feedback we've heard from our customers and partners."



Continuing his tour of Europe, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said the company may reconsider its decision to stop selling the XP operating system in June.

While the CEO stressed that most people purchasing new PCs today do so with Vista, customer demand has been high enough that sales of Windows XP may be extended past its original June cutoff date.

Vista has seen its share of lumps since being released to the public last year. The continuing popularity -- or resistance to upgrade to Vista depending on how you look at it -- has caused manufacturers like Dell to offer XP installs as an option.

In recent weeks, bloggers and petitions have begun to circle the Internet to keep Microsoft's former flagship operating system alive. If Redmond decides to keep selling XP it would be a victory for these fans by any measure.

Some 160,000 people have signed a petition to save XP, calling on Microsoft to continue selling it through the next version of Windows, set to release in 2010.

However, at the same time it also calls into question Microsoft's commitment to Vista. If it keeps selling the previous release of Windows, what does that really say about the newest OS?

Maybe nothing, according to Ballmer. In his comments during a press conference in Belgium, he said consumers are generally not opting for XP. At this time, it appears more of a function of IT departments who have a great deal of legacy equipment.

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By DeadFly

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:28 PM

I think if the US weren't in such hard economic times that people wouldn't mind spending some cash on upgrades or a new PC. It seems like people mostly complain about Vista's performance, but one thing I never hear mentioned in all this ranting is that if you turn off the Aero features (*gasp*) it runs just as fast as XP. My main gripe is that the best security features are only on the 64bit version and I've had many more compatibility problems with being 64bit than just being Vista.

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By ibhotsauce

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 12:24 PM

"what does that really say about the newest OS?"

well, Vista is sh!te ... and its service pack, a mere placebo. We know this already, there's no hidin' it; so MS can't stop selling XP or they mite as well redirect buyers to apple.com.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:02 PM

This is great. Really.

Cost of getting hardware to run Vista from a system running XP well? ~$300 (mbd, cpu, ram)

Cost of switching to a Mac? At *least* $500, for *slower* performance.

Good luck.

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By foxfyre

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:16 PM

PERHAPS! IF its a homebuilt of one of very few open sourced non-proprietary designs that allows such upgrades -which eliminates the majority of the market.

Gee, facts sure can be confusing when we don't assume special case scenarios assuming facts not in evidence.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 3:43 PM

*laughs*

I bought an HP and built my own system 2 years ago.

Amazingly enough, both has Asus A8N mainboards in them. When was the last time you actually bought a PC? The majority of them stopped the proprietary BS several years ago (Eg: In 1997 I worked for Micron. The computers we sold were not proprietary then, either, and we competed directly with brands like Gateway. That gateway P3 I have in my basement? Standard parts)

The majority of systems sold in the last several years have been standard format (atx/micro atx). Hell, even the Dells.

*yawn*

Gee, facts sure can be confusing when we don't assume special case scenarios assuming facts not in evidence.

Your "facts" and"evidence" would be more relevant if it were actually up to date...
Next...

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By Banquo

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:21 PM

Shhh, don't you know PC_Tool is much smarter than anyone else that has ever posted here? He is always right, always.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 3:44 PM

On the topics I post in? Most of the time, you bet. I have been corrected several times by the likes of Fewt, Terminalx, and others, but it generally happens when talking about subjects they are more familiar with than I.

Unlike most here, I don't tend to comment on things I know nothing about. It'd be pointless. Kind of like talking to you.

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By Banquo

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 3:49 PM

You must love doing pointless things then, because you sure love replying to me. You love stroking your ego though so it's really not pointless at all. You'll probably even reply to this post.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 5:29 PM

You must love doing pointless things then,

You'll probably even reply to this post.

Heh...

Right on both counts.

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By pforbes

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 12:15 PM

You may be sure Microsoft will stop selling first and supporting afterwards XP and Vista and any other to come. Business is business. But it is not MS who really "kills" any OS, but users and hardware spare parts suppliers. If you find compatible hardware and drivers you may keep using even Win9x for as long as you wish.

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By Banquo

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:29 PM

Unless of course you have a problem with there being absolutely no security patches issued for that OS in years and don't mind leaving yourself wide open for an attack. I'm pretty sure pulling a version of Windows from OEMs and no longer issuing updates for it has quite a bit to do with killing it.

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By pforbes

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 3:14 PM

Of course. Well, in fact attacks will always happen no matter what you are using, and are focused almost directly to the current OS. I believe all attacks mainly come from asian hardware suppliers to force you to buy a new machine by despair. Once they consider that the system is destroyed I think attacks will change its target to paralyze the current computers, as it has already happened.

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By JeremyP

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:26 AM

Errrm, Hollywood, you forget the many Linux distros around now. That's where I will go - not Vista. For every one satisfied Vista users there seem to be 10 very pissed-off ones, judged by the number "upgrading" back to XP.

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By SGD

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:55 AM

Pissed off people tend to make much more noise than the happy ones don't forget about that.

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By Hollywood__

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 10:40 AM

Apple is driving the public's bad view of Vista with their viral marketing and commercials with the fat guy.

This is why most people say "Vista sucks" and they don't even know what they are talking about. The problem is most of the public on non tech savvy and only go by what they have heard from thier "expert" neigbor and know it all a****** brother-in-law.

Most people are just a bunch of sheep who go with the crowd, it's a fact. We are a society of lemmings (some of us are free thinkers).

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By marrix

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 11:45 AM

Hollywood_
Don't blame Apple, your hero does a fine job indeed.

http://www.theregister.c...allmer_vista_incomplete/

Nuff said I think, could not have articulated it better.
And, Before you start flaming, I am a subscriber to Technet, and own 4 Vista notebooks! All now running XP, and they a cooking!

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 1:54 PM

Wow, I totally missed the part where he said it was incomplete, as stated in the headline.

Sure, he talked about what they are focusing on for the next version of windows, but if that = incomplete, *no* software in active development from version to version is *ever* complete, including MacOSX and Linux. (Didn't we just get a new Linux kernel? Are they *done* with it yet?)

Software evolves. One version to the next, built upon the successes and failures of previous builds. Funny that, eh?

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By pforbes

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 11:28 AM

"Most people are just a bunch of sheep who go with the crowd". Excellent words. They explain a whole lot of things.

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By Hollywood__

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:23 AM

A victory for the enlightened ones who actually own Vista and know it's better than XP in every way.

The rest of you complainers who have never tried Vista will be getting it anyways on your next new PC. Your other option is to by a Mac (Good luck getting any decent software made for OSX) so you can look "cool" and "different".

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By marrix

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 11:52 AM

Yep, 4 Vista notebooks & and a Macbook Air (yep I can afford this, thanks to the taxman).
No! Not a switcher, yet it was Vista's deficiencies that made me look at OSX, therein lies the lesson!

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By Sven123456789

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 6:57 AM

Microsoft is doing this on purpose. Spewing out this bs every couple weeks. One week they will continue support, than they backtrack. Shows you what kind of whiny company they have become.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 9:33 AM

*laughs*

Better than spewing nonsense.

They've never backtracked on XP support.

All they've done is extend it, extend it some more, and extend it some more.

Shows you what kind of whiny company they have become.

What are you doing? Oh, yeah...Whining.

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By Toolie's Muse

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 12:20 PM

"chortles"

Time the get that tail up Trollie.

Daddy has a nice feed for ya!

A tad of ATM, then a nice big swallow!

And, we know little darlin' you'll never whine, perhaps squeal a tad!

Question for you champ "how do you get the net in your trailer park"? Do you leech? Sorry that's 2 questions. One too many for your intellectual capacity I know!

"guffaw"

And, for all your apologists, acolytes & apostles, buddy I hope they swallow!

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By lilmegz

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:42 AM

This is good news because I love WindowsXP myself. I wont upgrade to Vista because some versions of applications I use are incompatable with it (had some friends test these applications out and most didnt work with the vista betas).

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By Hollywood__

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:32 AM

Ummmm, they have compatibilty mode if this is the case, (just like XP has). You right click on an install or "setup" file, click "properties", then click the "compatibility" tab. Select the O/S it was last "compatible" with and then install.

I've never had to use it with Vista and only one person I showed who was having a problem had to use it on a Vista upgrade from XP (big mistake) and what do you know, it installed fine in compatibility mode under XP.

Another little known feature of Windows completely ignored by the people who only use thier $2000 desktops with 2GB of RAM to surf the web and check emails, yet complain about Vista every chance they get because they feel left out.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 9:55 AM

If you have other reasons to upgrade to Vista (otherwise by all means stick to XP) you might want to try a virtual machine running XP during migration. Check out virtualbox.org (Sun recently bought them out)

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By Hollywood__

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 10:34 AM

Do not upgrade XP to Vista, you are asking for problems. New PC's with Vista are the only way to go.

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By lfmmoura

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 10:30 PM

"In his comments during a press conference in Belgium, he said consumers are generally not opting for XP"

I don't know how things are up there in the US, but that statement would make no sense here in Brazil. Most users get their OS when they purchase new machines - and usually they either just take whatever is being tossed at them, or demand the newest version, no matter what it is. Fact remains, at least here, that in those sales where the customer actually makes a conscious choice, they still prefer XP. I don't blame them. Windows has been piling up so much bloat over the years. Microsoft needs to work on slimming down their kernel.

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By philosopher_dog

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 9:02 PM

I think that the rap against Vista is totally over blown. The real story, in the long run, will be how two companies stifled computer development by monopoly ownership. The rap on Vista is just a bit of dust, a footnote.

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By Second Shadow

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 8:26 PM

Windows 98 and Windows ME kept being sold for roughly 26 months after Windows XP's RTM (October 25, 2001 - December 31, 2003). Given the popularity of Windows XP, my guess is that the interval will be about the same this time, so they'll keep selling XP for 6 more months after the original cutoff date, until the end of 2008.

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By Banquo

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 11:08 PM

Perhaps, but XP was such an enormous jump in both reliability and security over 98/Me. Going from XP to Vista however, not so much. I would list all of the advantages I found in upgrading to Vista but I just can't think of any. Disadvantages, plenty of those however.

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By psycros

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 7:47 PM

"..Confident that's the right thing to do based on the feedback we've heard from our customers and partners." Really? The customers and even some of the partners are clearly disappointed in Vista. Any halfway objective survey prove that.

"..The CEO stressed that most people purchasing new PCs today do so with Vista.." LOL! So, every new PC only comes with Vista - so thats what you wanted, buddy! Even installing from your old XP discs won't help when manufacturers are loathe to provide XP drivers for new machines (and they are, just try it). Nice try, Steve, but again - you fail.

I don't see any so-called bias in the story. Bias about what? The fact that Microsoft wants to sell us new junk but the old junk works better for the majority of users? Incidentally, I notice that only the Vista supporters resort to name-calling and insults. Hmm!

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By Diam0nd

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 5:30 PM

Well, that WOULD be a smart move, since Vista SUCKS.

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By Program86

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 5:15 PM

move to the greener side of the fence people...

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By DudeBoyz

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 4:26 PM

I'd like to see XP stick around. I bought two additional retail copies of XP Home SP2 just to make sure I'm covered.

I think if Ballmer decided to be magnanimous and allow XP to continue to be sold beside Vista, it could generate a lot of good will, especially with customers who are simply uncomfortable with the changeover to Vista.

Also, for people that have hardware that works great in XP but is having trouble with Vista, it would be nice not to be left behind. Hopefully Vista will be updated to work with more hardware and peripherals, including legacy stuff, and that would smooth the transition in the future.

I personally don't like Vista, but I understand that some people do, and that's cool. But it would be nice to have an option to purchase XP until others become more comfortable with what Vista can do for them.

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By DatabaseBen

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 4:07 PM

now what, SP-4 too?

will the nightmare ever end...?

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perhaps, the future of microsoft is as unstable as its' production and productivity.

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By Zebets

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 7:13 PM

Nightmare? Good grief, if you don't want to run XP you don't have to. It's not hurting you one bit for them to keep supporting it. Poor babies, there might be a SP4! The horror!

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By Peteorius

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 3:28 PM

I've had Vista since day one and totally prefer it to XP. It's much safer, streamlined, and crash proof. and it looks nice!
I don't understand why it's so popular to hate vista and stick with xp.

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By Banquo

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 11:05 PM

Vista is not crash proof, no OS is. I can accept that you like Vista but don't be silly.

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By lazarus98

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 9:17 PM

Crash Proof! LOL... I bought a TOP of the line Viao for my daughter and it's always locking up, and that was from the original install nothing added. Even SP1 did nothing to help.
I've installed it on many other brand new computers, store bought and custom made and have similar problems. Drivers issues should should not be a problem on a factory built Vista machine period.
I'm not sold on how streamlined it is either. Somethings are just simply in weird places.
safer, yet to see...

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By jeffreybt2

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 1:14 AM

that could be the problem my friend, sony is notorious for the amount of crap they shove onto laptops. there is a list of I think 40+ crapware apps they pre load onto the system, allot of them to set run on startup

they were even trying to charge users a fee of around 45-50 to sell you a laptop without the extra crap on it, untill outraged users forced them to change that.

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By Hollywood__

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 4:35 PM

Unfortunately, most of the population is borderline retarded. Vista is simply too difficult to learn for the average chimp.

Just look at pitdingo, you just know his standardized test scores were below the 20% mark. Which means 80% of the population is smarter than he is.

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By Banquo

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 9:00 PM

Vista is no harder to use than XP. I haven't heard anyone saying it was too hard. I believe most of the complaints are about how slow it is on older hardware or how it offers very little over XP. Of course you're SO much smarter than everyone else, and anyone who doesn't like the same products as you is obviously an idiot.

/sarcasm

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By lfmmoura

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 10:32 PM

Vista's interface is ok to use. No big differences there. Now Office 2007 - what the hell was that?!?!
Hope MS comes to their senses with the next version and does away with that non-sensical interface.

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By Banquo

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 11:05 PM

Don't remind me, I've had to use Office 2007 a few times and just finding something as simple as the undo button drives me mad. Instead of simply clicking Edit in the toolbar I'm trying to figure out what panel on the ribbon undo might be listed on.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 9:27 AM

Yeah...hard to see right at the top there by the "Office Button".

/sarcasm

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By Banquo

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 11:51 AM

Yeah, I should have automatically known what that curvey arrow meant the very first time I used the new ribbon, after decades of using the Edit, Undo text commands.

I forgot, you have a superiority complex.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 1:00 PM

That "curvy" arrow has been on the toolbar, and in the menu (right next to the text specifying "undo") for several versions of Office now.

Don't blame MSFT for your complete lack of observation.

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By Banquo

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 1:25 PM

Oh I know, you're right as always and I'm a stupid idiot. Everyone else in the world knew where every single feature was the first time they used the new ribbon interface. I just wish I was as smart as you are so I could go on message boards and point out the mistakes of others while standing up on my soap box.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 1:49 PM

I see.

I cannot say you're a moron because you can't recall what the "undo" graphic looks like, but you can go ahead and say Office 2007 is crap because ...you don't know what the graphic looks like.

How cute. Do you use that impressive logic all the time, or just when making an idiot out of yourself on forums?

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By Banquo

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 2:20 PM

I never said Office 2007 was crap, not once, not ever. Oh wait I'm sorry, I'm so stupid I probably did say it was crap and just forgot. You're right once again. If only I was half the pompous know it all you are maybe I wouldn't make such a fool of myself all the time.

Can I join your fan club?

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 25, 2008 - 3:33 PM

Don't remind me, I've had to use Office 2007 a few times and just finding something as simple as the undo button drives me mad.

The implication is there.

Can I join your fan club?

Depends, zridling, El Dingo, and sjc001 are the founding members. Care to hang with that crowd?

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By Banquo

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 3:56 PM

The implication was that when using a brand new interface it can be hard for some people to find things, especially people as stupid as I am. Not that Office 2007 is crap. I said I had trouble finding a button and you immediately began to ridicule me for it. Which I no doubt deserved. I have no right to express opinions about Microsoft products unless they are praise.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 25, 2008 - 5:27 PM

It could have been your past posts concerning anything MSFT coloring my interpretation. I'll concede that.

Rereading your original post now, I likely could have done better just pointing out where it is and dropping the sarcasm...

But...

You've probably noticed...sarcasm and I go back a long ways. ;)

Sorry for jumping on you for that one. It's been a day. (...or I'm a know-it-all troll, your pick)

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By Morsel

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 6:22 PM

Wow! So that's why!! Thanks for shedding some light on this. I'll go buy Vista now and try real heard to learn it.

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By pitdingo2

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 2:34 PM

This would be a smart move for M$. Good to see they are owning up to the total failure and disaster known as Vista.

The smart move would be to throw in the towel, end of life Vista, and focus on improving XP.

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By SGD

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 4:17 PM

I am shocked that it took the MS hater this long to enter the room. Its ok douchedingo we all expected this from you.

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By Hollywood__

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 3:03 PM

Coming from the cheap a** who doesn't want or have the money to upgrade to Vista .... big surprise.

You don't own any of the products you bash which makes you a complete joke.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 2:48 PM

Good to see they are owning up to the total failure and disaster known as Vista.

And good to see you showing your high reading-comprehension skill here as well.

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By TomA102210

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 2:32 PM

By tscar13 said:

"I like coming here and commenting about it:) and, in a more serious vein, BN does offer trial software. I just don't like how the editorial side is run and their slanted view which is tied to their revenue stream.

Have an nice day:)"
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No doubt Beta News likes your coming here and commenting about their journalism, yellow or not. The more replies they receive, the better for them, whether the comments are negative or positive toward them. In the newspaper business the most popular journalists are the most controverially reporting ones in many instances. You wrote what you did, folks commented on what you wrote and Beta News likes that. I don't happen to agree with you on the yellow journalism, however. I was hoping for an example of some kind.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 3:21 PM

if you think it's just about hits..it's not. It's about revenue streams coming in from sources such as ads at the top of the page.

As far as an example of "Yellow" journalism" read the title of this piece and read the other pieces that slip in words here and there to slant the news. That's exactly what Heart did during the Spanish-American war in Cuba.

For example, a more objective title for this article would be something like, " MS decides to extend support for XP"

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By madmike

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 1:41 PM

Microsoft MUST stop selling XP, only on the basis that every 2 yrs in their software guarantee, they promise a new OS hence Vista. The big corporates have Microsoft by the short and curlys, but I agree with most and prefare XP although I dont see it practial to have 2 operating systems competing against each other

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 2:44 PM

If MS extends it further, it will be setting precedence for sure. In fact, one way of looking at this is that this may mean VIsta will be available for a longer time :)

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By mjm01010101

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 1:28 PM

Noooooooooooooooo!

You can take my XP Images from my cold, dead hands!

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By Banquo

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 11:09 PM

Careful what you say, Ballmer might be listing. :P

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By tscar13

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 1:45 PM

Once again, Bn shows it's slanted presentation of the news in the sensationalistic headlines. "Yellow" journalism is alive and well at BN.

Their brand of journalism is like their writers- they give me the creeps. Reminds me of the Hearst days in newspapers.

Added note- If BN did not have an agenda and revenue stream from some companies, you would see the same headlines or articles detailing the issues with other OS or companies. It is very telling in how they "approach" the news. and can tell you a lot.

Added note#2- MS is much better at supporting older OS than Apple. Even Apple's newest OSs have a poor support.

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By mishihu

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 1:22 PM

If you don't like BN, then don't bother coming here and commenting about it.

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By tscar13

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 1:26 PM

I like coming here and commenting about it:) and, in a more serious vein, BN does offer trial software. I just don't like how the editorial side is run and their slanted view which is tied to their revenue stream.

Have an nice day:)

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By Avion Airplane

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 2:48 PM

ok..... so what do you want ?

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 2:50 PM

Sounds like he wants FileForum's trial software.

I only say that because that is what he said he wanted.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 24, 2008 - 3:05 PM

Basically you are right but it would be nice to see a more balanced view on the editorial side. Even Cnet, which is not MS friendly, will run articles detailing problems with Apple but that information never seems to show up here. Also, the editorial side will run anti-MS news, let it go into the netherworld, then bring it back up to their front page. Just do a statistical analysis of the dates on articles to prove my point.

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