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1. Comment - Review: Apple's Jaguar is One Cool Cat

   (Aug 27, 2002 - 7:02 PM)

   Yes, PGP was a poor example. IIS or IE would have been a stronger, more valid representation. However, CPUGuy, you should take notice that I talk about "third party apps" in my post. Do you think IIS is representative of a third party app? PGP is a fair representation of a third party app, though not one that ships with Windows (again, poor example). I'd reference another if I could think off-hand of an actual third party product Microsoft still ships with Windows; and not one MS has "modified". Kerberos, anyone?
   
   I also didn't suggest, "if IIS has a bug, it doesn't count as a Windows flaw." Again, there's a difference between a third party app and a proprietary extension or piece of an OS.
   
   I'm not defending Linux products. Just trying to point out to asdfasdf that Windows is no Blue-Ribbon-Winner at an Ozark sow serenade, and that he should have posted accurate numbers for both Linux and Windows to argue a fair case.
   
   Finally, if you've read my post -- judging by your belligerent response, I'm assuming you did -- you should've understood that the last three paragraphs both defended, and slammed Windows, Linux, and most software (though admittedly more Windows-bashing). You, indeed everyone, should be angry at the lack of quality, stability, and security for which you're being forced to pay.
   
   With that in mind, it appears that the only pathetically stupid thing here is your taciturn antiphon, and witlessly pertinacious attachment to 20 pounds of binary crap that has been crammed into a 10-pound bag.

2. Comment - Review: Apple's Jaguar is One Cool Cat

   (Aug 27, 2002 - 7:01 PM)

3. Comment - Review: Apple's Jaguar is One Cool Cat

   (Aug 27, 2002 - 4:53 PM)

   Point well made, asdfasdf. PGP is a poor example. IIS or IE would have been a much better examples since they actually ship with Windows. I noticed, too, that you only had issue with my reference to the 47 Windows Bulletins. Does that mean you concur with the other numbers?

4. Comment - Review: Apple's Jaguar is One Cool Cat

   (Aug 26, 2002 - 9:20 PM)

   It's clear that you know how to count, though your talent for skimming text is lacking. The numbers you listed are deceptively accurate, as you fail to mention that the majority of these fixes are related to third party apps such as PHP, OpenSSH, OpenLDAP, Apache, etc. Also, the security fixes you're referencing aren't necessarily in response to posted vulnerabilities or exploits. Many are just good maintenance.
   
   Using your research "methodology", a vulnerability in PGP for Windows XP, for example, would be an OS-related vulnerability.
   
   So, here are a few numbers for your OS-of-choice:
   
   75 Windows-related security vulnerabilities since June. 120 year-to-date (http://www.securityfocus.com).
   
   100 Windows-related postings on NTBugTraq since June (http://www.ntbugtraq.com).
   
   47 Microsoft Security Bulletins year-to-date (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security).
   
   Obviously, the actual number of OS-related security alerts/vulnerabilities/issues for both Linux and Windows is far fewer than what you or I -- using your methodology -- have posted here.
   
   In short, with the remotely possible exception of OpenBSD, it's very difficult to argue or prove that any widely available OS is secure. If the topic is kernel security, however, Win32 is clearly lacking (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/26561.html) and much more susceptible to attack than is Linux.
   
   Back to the point, most software is just plain BAD. It'll be a long while before we all have an OS that offers a user experience that is intuitive, stable, secure, and truly useful. It certainly appears that Jaguar is a step -- albeit very small -- in the right direction.