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64-Bit Windows Editions Launch

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

April 25, 2005, 1:13 PM

At WinHEC 2005, Microsoft announced it is finally ready to bring 64-bit computing to the mainstream and is shipping x64 editions of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. The 64-bit versions of Windows were released to manufacturing in late March and will now be available from PC vendors.

Microsoft has big plans for 64-bit computing, but moving towards the next-generation architecture won't be an easy transition. The new x64 Windows releases will not be sold on retail shelves - only as an option from manufacturers selling PCs with 64-bit processors from AMD and soon Intel.

Intel is expected to release its consumer 64-bit processors this month, while AMD has offered its 64-bit Opteron and AMD64 chips since last year. Those who purchased or built a PC with a 64-bit processor and 32-bit versions of Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 can upgrade to the x64 edition for a $12 shipping and handling fee.

Because most software is not designed for 64-bit computers, x64 editions of Windows also run 32-bit applications. Such a feature is almost a requirement of the operating system, as Microsoft's own 64-bit capable programming environment, Visual Studio 2005, is still in beta.

Other development software makers, such as Borland, have publicly said they are in no rush to support 64-bit systems, citing the costs to target such a small market. Nonetheless, Microsoft has said it expects 64-bit machines to make up a significant number of PCs that ship next year.

"We believe this industry move will be the easiest to date, because the 64-bit versions of Windows we've developed allow customers to run 32-bit as well as 64-bit applications," said Microsoft Group VP Jim Allchin. "It's a best-of-both-worlds model that lets customers integrate new and more powerful technologies at their own pace without having to risk their current technology investments or abandon their existing systems and applications."

Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox, however, questions whether Microsoft will see the uptake it hopes.

"Microsoft may make big noise about 64-bit Windows, but I don't see it as much of a big deal on the desktop. For most people, for most of what they do, 32-bit delivers plenty of performance," Wilcox told BetaNews. "My bet: the 64-bit user benefit will be missing for most people. Even if all PC manufacturers starting selling only 64-bit systems tomorrow, I foresee modest 64-bit Windows adoption on the desktop."

Although Microsoft is shipping over 16,000 drivers with the 64-bit Windows editions, hardware support will still be a major hurdle.

Redmond is planning to use WinHEC to push manufacturers into making drivers for the new platform. Microsoft also plans to soon begin accepting applications for Windows XP x64 Edition in its "Designed for Windows" logo program.

"There isn't enough supporting infrastructure," says Jupiter's Wilcox. "Microsoft made the move from 16-bit to 32-bit with a new operating system, new version of Office and reasonable hardware driver support. Right now there is a vacuum of applications and supporting hardware. Big 64-bit talk may be good marketing, but talking the talk isn't the same as customers walking the walk."

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By abdu

edited Sep 1, 2006 - 10:05 AM

may i get the passwod(key)of win xp 64 bit edition

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By skeleton

posted May 20, 2006 - 3:32 PM

Every time I try to upgrade to Win64Bit my PC says the server (Microsoft) dis-connected

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By boerie

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 5:19 AM

So much for 64 bit evolution:
Modem softv92 not working
Creative Audigy2 zs soundcard not working
Only got 64bit driver for Epson c60, must still install and test.
This is really POOR support from the suppliers of the abovmentioned hardware!
I have spent lots of time on Inet searching. One would think that the suppliers would be the FIRST to make their drivers available.
any help anywhere anybody?
All help will be much appreciated!!!!

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By docc

edited Nov 12, 2005 - 4:50 PM

Quite frankly...I am excited and cant wait to walk the 64 bit walk...I just need the driver support for my hardware!!! Please hurry up and provide the consumer with what it needs to upgrade and you will see at least 65 percent jump to 64 bit!!!!
Ready to walk the walk!!
THomas Hamilton

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By like_very

posted Oct 9, 2005 - 8:48 PM

I'm have a mainboard Asus P5GLMX LGA 775
CPU Intel Celeron D 331 EM64T 2.66 Ghz .
Ram 265 MB KINGMAX .
OS :WindowsXP 64 Bit Edition.
I'm cann't setup driver modem Conexant V92 PCI go to internet ???? Help me !!!
Please Mailto : phanquan@gmail.com
Thanks .

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By like_very

posted Oct 3, 2005 - 10:03 AM

I'm have a mainboard Asus P5GLMX LGA 775
CPU Intel Celeron D 331 EM64T 2.66 Ghz .
Ram 265 MB KINGMAX .
WindowsXP 64 Bit don't driver setup modem internet ???? Help me !!!

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By like_very

edited Oct 3, 2005 - 9:54 AM

Please read vietnamese !
Toi da cai dat he dieu hanh WindowsXp sp1 64 BIT nhung khong the setup driver cho Modem connexant V92 PCI cho windowsXp64Bit ? Vui long giup toi neu co the . Thanks .

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By twisterbluehat

posted Aug 9, 2005 - 2:29 PM

i downloaded the trial instead of shellin out me ard earned!!!! findin a gfx card driver wos a tryin time, but i found 1 in the end(gf6800) but can i find a modem driver?????bt voyager100????...bt cant help i bin in touch with them seems i gotta buy a new modem, a bit of a mare for a trial dont u think?

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By absoluteevel

posted Apr 27, 2005 - 11:15 AM

I placed the order on Monday morning 8am or so, and it still says pending... Does anyone have their order shipped?

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By avi_66

edited May 17, 2005 - 2:44 AM

Even i have placed my order longback for the trial CD on the Microsoft Site.But the status still shows that the order is on a Back order.Should i wait or should i cancel the order..?

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By FarBeyond

edited Apr 26, 2005 - 1:09 PM

I have had a copy of this full version for three weeks...

There is ONE Antivirus that fully works with it (Avast)

There are MANY apps that DONT work with this (RealPlayer, Daemon Tools, ALL AntiVirus but one, and many more)

I did gain a pretty good performance increase, but if I don't have any apps to have the gain on, then what's the point?

People who surf the net and check email will find this OS useful right now. But then again, those people prob didn't buy a 64bit CPU then did they...

As a matter of fact, I am reinstalling XP SP2 RIGHT NOW lol

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By ayandebnath

edited Sep 5, 2005 - 12:25 AM

Dear 'FarBeyond'

Can you please tell me any site from where I can download the Full version of WinXP 64Bit.
(not the trial or beta or RC version)

or you can setup a FTP server and give me the IP address, so that I can download the ISO directly from you.

please, do reply
Ayan Debnath, INDIA
ayan_don@hotmail.com

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By fadeblack

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 11:52 PM

Save your money and save your time.
Wait till Longhorn 64bit.

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 6:34 PM

1. Windows XP pro OEM copies can all be upgraded, it doesn't matter weather you built your machine yourself or bought it.

2. Windows XP Pro x64 will sold as OEM not retail, this just means www.newegg.com will require you to purchase hardware { cheap cable, hard drive, etc. }.

3. Trial: there is also a 120 day that can be sent to you.

4. Download: Windows Server 2003 x64 is available for download. It's pretty much the same as the pro edition except it has additional server features.

5. Screenshot: Enter the COA or PID and choose a date from March 31, 2003 and July 31, 2005:

http://img165.echo.cx/img165/9279/snap0123vp.png

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By CiAUSA

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 10:49 PM

I think everyone will be able to upgrade their OS except the #%$$@&'s like me that went out and bought a retail version instead of the OEM. The horror, the horror... I just hope MS sees through this and changes the rules.

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By Wyojake

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 8:19 PM

1. you will have to reformat your hard drive.

2. I already paid for a licensed upgrade to win xp pro on my 64 bit computer which will be invalid - cost 80 additional dollars. no reason for this license to be negated - what if I have to reinstall should this not work out? (judging by past experience it won't go clean.)

3. Trial versions have never worked well on backwards compatibility. Did they solve this?

4. I was sold a machine under the pretense that win 64 would be offered as an upgrade which would install as an upgrade - are there some problems yet to be resolved when a clean install is needed?

5. Think a class action against manufacturers and microsoft is in order. This has all been one grand hoax.

Facts

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 9:49 PM

Don't format just install on a seperate partition.

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By pingla

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 11:18 PM

Yes, and we all know how well Windows works with two versions on the same system.

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 2:19 AM

Works fine:

C: Windows XP
D: Windows XP x64
E: Longhorn

No problems :)

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 5:51 PM

x64 is really good, microsoft did a great job on the OS. It's greatly improved over the Windows XP 5.12600.

The only problem is the drivers, stupid hardware vendors have been lazy about working on drivers for their products.

I believe microsoft will produce some generic drivers so some hardware will work but overall the industry gets a D- for not getting on the ball.

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By spiffyjeff

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 3:17 PM

I guess for now I only need one of my two computers to be 64 bit. Sorry guys, Linux for sure wins on this one.

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By CiAUSA

edited Apr 25, 2005 - 3:00 PM

I went to the upgrade site for those of us that have XP Pro and clicked the link to the right on this site. I built my own computer and bought the full version of the OS. When you get to the screen asking for your product key you'll be surprised that the format won't fit the 25 number key for windows. So I'm still a bit lost on how to update my OS to the 64 bit one .

http://www.microsoft.com...it/upgrade/default.mspx

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By ir0nw0lf

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 12:25 AM

That's because the COA string the page is asking for is NOT the serial #. The serial # doesn't fit the fields. On the OEM sticker right under the serial # is a barcode and a numeric sequence right under that, THAT is what you put into that COA field in the webpage, I did it, works great.

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By pingla

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 11:19 PM

Dude, that is because your current key is in 32-bits. You have to convert the key into a 64-bit String.

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By Metshrine

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 4:25 PM

You need the product key, implying that you already installed the OS. I suggest you call MS to get your copy upgraded. Worked for my other two copies of winxp that I have, and the upgrade site worked great for my copy that came installed on my machine

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By Wyojake

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 7:21 AM

Upgrade site doesn't work at all.

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By CiAUSA

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 5:05 PM

Thanks for the tip. I'll contact MS and see if they can upgrade my OS to x64. Cubshrine !!!

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By JohnR3184

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 1:38 PM

Windows XP 64 bit is not gonna be on retail shelves? So how in the world am I suppoosed to get it. I built a AMD Athlon 64 system for nothing?

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By Aaroniekins

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 1:46 PM

u buy XP PRO
and u can trade it in for xp 64 via M$'s site

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By kcmc20

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 5:55 PM

Just got off the phone with M$ and they said the traid up program was only for OEM copies. Fools like myself who made there own computers and paid $300 from staples are out of luck. Damn.

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By pingla

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 11:21 PM

That is M$, money hungry company. Why would anyone want to buy their products?

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By CiAUSA

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 10:53 PM

Yeah I know how you feel. I needed a full version of XP Pro pronto and bought it at Staples too. Can't figure out how people that bought the retail full version (for more $$$$) are being left out of the upgrade option. M$ should try and reward those that pay instead of turning them into those that borrow (pirate).

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By fewt

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 10:05 PM

Hire an attorney.

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By hlesesne

edited Apr 25, 2005 - 1:56 PM

That seems kind of silly to me.

Does anyone have any predictions on when this will really take off? I am thinking that we are still a long way from lots of 64bit versions of applications - and I have heard/read that XP 64 is going to be flaky at best with regards to 32 bit emulation... Any thoughts or feelings on that?

Hal (http://hal.lco.net/Windows+XP+Pro+Goes+64bit.aspx)

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By Aires

edited Apr 26, 2005 - 6:25 AM

The guy who writes Virtual Dub is currently writing a 64-bit version of it. (Or so I believe).

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By hardgiant

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 9:51 PM

No retail because lots of noobs would buy it at Best Buy and not figure out why it doesn't install on their Pentium 3's or Athlon XP machine.

Their is an OEM copy though which an be bought at say newegg.com with the purchase of a cable :)

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By CiAUSA

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 10:59 PM

Noobs? I highly doubt that would be the reasoning behind not releasing it into the retail outlets. Non-Noobs like yourself will be whining in all the forums about how this driver isn't working and this hardware isn't working on your systems. The slow release to a limited market will bring a healthy growth to the 64 bit world... the major players are many steps behind.

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By ir0nw0lf

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 12:29 AM

I beg to differ, the noobs are one of the EXACT reasons this won't be on retail shelves. The other reason: this 64-bit version is not intended for moms/dads who are doing greeting cards or emails, etc. This is considered a high-performance OS for those who need to harness the power of it. Why in the world would Microsoft put an OS like that in a BestBuy store??

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By bakura

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 12:43 AM

If everyone thought like that then we would have never broken through the 32-bit OS barrier with Windows 95.

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By wallnichola

edited Aug 18, 2005 - 11:58 AM

yea great i just installed windows xp64 looks nice great desktop well it has to be becouse thats the only thing i can use i have a speedtouch 330 modem and pipex broadband no dial up modem, and the modem had no 64bit drivers gutted i get on to pipex hoping that they might have some 64 bit drivers they tell me to buy a router to get online and the router can use 64bit drivers can any onew help me any one know if there are any 64bit beta drivers for a speedtouch 330 and to the guy with 3 os installed how do u do that do i have to create 3 partions and install 1 os in each and then switch bettween each one at boot please give me more info thankyou

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By Mountain_Man

posted Apr 26, 2005 - 9:15 AM

I agree with MS. Initially, it is smart to release Win/64 in a limited rollout. They will have more control over OEM installs, as opposed to OEM and Retail installs. At least with OEM installs, they have a glimmer of hope that the OEMS are hitting 'known' systems suchs as Dell/Compaq/etc builds. Those people running OEM builds on custom built PCs, will be the true guinie pigs. As long as they can keep you in the minority, then you will make a good test bed without being a PR nightmare. Once the driver situation is a little more under control, then they will release the Win/64's to retail.

Too many people out there are simply idiots. They will try to install Win/64 (whatever flavor), have problems, and then say "Microsoft sucks", when it's really their own fault. Heck.. I have my doubts about people on this forum. Half of you already seem confused about the upgrade webpage!

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By ScoobyDoom

edited Apr 26, 2005 - 2:17 PM

Yup, yup.

MS knows that slow proliferation of their new technology is the smartest move... Would you want to support a lot of poeple or a few of them?

As for level of knowledge of some people here on betanews, yeah we have a wide range of members. Kinda the point. Experts wouldnt be experts if there werent noobs around...

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By VikingBlade

posted Apr 25, 2005 - 2:09 PM

32-bit emulation seems to work pretty well in software that doesn't require 3rd-party drivers from what I'm hearing (games will run slower until better 64-bit drivers etc.).

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