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Backup feature surprisingly removed from Windows Home Server refresh

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

May 16, 2008, 5:30 PM

Testers of a forthcoming service pack for Windows Home Server were the first to discover that a feature they'd come to rely upon had been removed from the product -- as it turns out, intentionally.

One of Windows Home Server's key features is the ability to perform manual or automatic backups of the entire contents of hard drives of PCs in a home network -- a consumer-centric version of the same backup engine used in Windows Server 2003 and 2008. WHS stores the backups from each of those drives in a special database; and for safety, many users have found it convenient enough to manually back up the backup database, sometimes onto separate drives in case of a server crash.

So these same users had been looking forward to a new feature of WHS' forthcoming Power Pack 1 that Microsoft had previously publicized, which would make backing up the backup databases more automatic. But only when a tester on WHS' forums asked Microsoft engineers to explain how he could make preparations for that new feature, did he -- and everyone else -- learn that Microsoft had changed its mind, and would not provide that feature after all.

Forum moderator Ken Warren claimed he'd mentioned this before. "As I've been saying for some time, Power Pack 1 will not provide a tool to back up your backup database," he wrote. "It was an announced feature, but it has been removed because it doesn't meet the quality bar. I know of at least half a dozen bugs submitted around that feature that left end users in a bad place with no obvious way back."

Backups of backup databases can still be performed manually, Warren added.

A supplemental brief for the current version of Windows Home Server (PDF available here) explains how this is done. "The Windows Home Server backup database is not duplicated by Windows Home Server Drive Extender," it begins. "So if you lose a single hard drive on your home server, you could possibly lose all of the backups of your home computers. You may want to periodically copy the entire backup database from your home server to an external hard disk that you attach to your home server. The external hard disk should not be added to the Server Storage on your Windows Home Server."

The process involves plugging an external hard drive into the home server, launching a command line from the remote system, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection from that command line to the home server, using the net stop command to stop the existing automatic backup service, launching a second command line on the home server remotely, using it to copy the contents of the folder named {00008086-058D-4C89-AB57-A7F909A47AB4} to the external drive, restarting the stopped service, then exiting both command lines. One tester described this process as "so simple."

The revelation disappointed another WHS tester, who wrote, "It is really disappointing to have this feature pulled from [Power Pack 1]. I find it hard to believe that no one at Microsoft knew this problem existed when they started touting the features of PP1 and stating it was on the shelf waiting for the corruption bug cure, which has taken far too long to get cured. If MS is going to be serious about WHS, they need to put a lot more effort/resources into the problems and take care of the end user or sell it to some company that will."

One Microsoft MVP, who tends the forum and is the author of a WHS users' guide though who is not a Microsoft employee, said he regretted that customers learned of the feature omission in this way, and especially that testers of internal builds knew it had been omitted for some time but couldn't say anything. But that's the breaks when one works under a non-disclosure agreement, he explained.

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By Baxit

posted Jun 6, 2008 - 3:09 PM

Ooops!
Sorry.
I didn't realize my first post was accepted.
Apologies for that mistake.

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By Baxit

posted Jun 6, 2008 - 3:08 PM

Eggs and One Basket come to mind.
Plenty of alternatives exist, many free, some good, mine for example:

www.SaneThinking.com/baxit

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By Baxit

posted Jun 6, 2008 - 3:05 PM

Eggs and One Basket ring a bell anyone?

Use non MS as a routine where you can.

Why use MS for backup anyway.

There's loads of alternative solutions, including many free backup programs.

Mine for example (www.SaneThinking.com/baxit).

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By dougau

posted May 19, 2008 - 11:28 AM

Microsoft, the RIAA, and MPAA are probably going to come out and say something stupid like if you back up copyrighted material your a pirate and support terrorism, and that your family should be incarcerated in a North Korean prison camp for five generations.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 19, 2008 - 11:55 AM

Throw some aliens in there. Maybe a reference to Xenu...

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By fewt

posted May 19, 2008 - 7:21 PM

nanu nanu

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By PC_Tool

posted May 20, 2008 - 9:00 AM

They need to bring that one back. My kids are growing up without Mork.

What kind of life can that possibly lead to?

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By preinterpost

posted May 19, 2008 - 8:56 AM

What was it called again? Ah - Yellow Journalism. That's right...

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By sagum

posted May 17, 2008 - 7:45 AM

Its ok. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Windows Vista Ultimate users will get it as one of their Ultimate Extras when Vista SP2 is released..

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By PC_Tool

posted May 17, 2008 - 9:45 AM

Windows Vista Ultimate users will get it as one of their Ultimate Extras when Vista SP2 is released..

Sarcasm, or is this actually planned?

Personally, as a Vista Ultimate owner, I have been *greatly* disappointed by the joke that "Ultimate Extras" has become. I firmly believe "Ultimate" is a complete waste and anyone looking at that version should simply stick with Home Premium and spend the extra cash on more RAM.

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By theviceroy

posted May 18, 2008 - 12:11 PM

Don't forget the little things Ultimate offers over Premium... like being able to add the computer to a domain.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 19, 2008 - 9:14 AM

How many home users log into domains again???

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By fewt

posted May 18, 2008 - 5:36 PM

OMG I haven't heard of a feature that innovative since Windows for Workgroups.

Oh, wait. Windows for Workgroups could join domains.

Sweet, there's even a how-to still:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824549

I sure do hope that Vista Ultimate is more advanced than this.

;-)

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By mjm01010101

posted May 17, 2008 - 12:33 PM

agreed. Dreamscene is a cpu hog. Encryption has been proven to be broken. Extra games I guess are nice but maybe worth $1. Extra themes/sounds? COME ON!

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By PC_Tool

posted May 17, 2008 - 3:51 PM

I wouldn't even mind extra themes and sounds if there were more of them or they were any good...

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By God Dammit

posted May 18, 2008 - 2:00 AM

Stardock's Deskscapes software is a nice alternative to Dreamscene. Unfortunately Stardock decided to start charging for version 2.0 of this software for some strange reason (version 1 of Deskscapes was 100% freeware but only worked on Vista Ultimate). Deskscapes version 2.0 is the minimum required version for all other editions of Vista.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 19, 2008 - 9:14 AM

Don't even use that bit. When I use the computer, the last thing I see is the desktop....just before I shut it down.

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By tscar13

posted May 17, 2008 - 1:32 AM

Pc? I take back everything I have said about you. For one thing, as I have said in the past, your knowledge of code is lightyears ahead of mine. But I am curious as to how Mr. Fulton the 3rd. will react.

Of course the headline was intentional. Just a more refined version of the yellow journalism done by Hearst during the Spanish-American war. Mr Fulton is a tool( and no pun intended) of Betanews. They catch your eye with a sensationalistic headline and then you read the garbled article and find there is a disconnect between the headline and the article.

PC? if you are willing, I'll put the money up if you will run the site and let's create a honest Tech forum that doesn't rely on paid ads from Google or garbled articles or sensationistic headlines just to stir the pot. Let's put together a site that in a fair and even-handed way offers most reader who don't ac from dc to come to and learn. I assure you we can also get any and all programs offered here or at Cnet.
And this time I am serious because the vast majority of people don't know enough and are sucked in to this void.

Have we become so cynical that this is the best the tech field can do in forums?

Have an nice day and Mr. Fulton that also includes you:)

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By PC_Tool

posted May 17, 2008 - 9:43 AM

Nevah.

Gonna.

Happen.

No offense, but I've done the site hosting and running before and frankly, I have better, far more enjoyable things to do.

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By tscar13

posted May 17, 2008 - 10:37 AM

no problem PC. I expect it is a headache to run a forum but I do want to give this a try so I'll look to someone else for the tech experience. I wish you the best and I wish everyone else the best even Mr. Fulton the 3rd:)
Everyone have a great life and enjoy both the good times and learn from our own stupidity and imperfections. That includes myself which I sometimes forget:)

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By yountmj

posted May 17, 2008 - 3:10 AM

Wow, just... wow. I was doing just fine (cracking up, actually) until I got to the point where you admitted that you were serious.

Someone needs a hug...

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By tscar13

posted May 17, 2008 - 7:48 AM

Thanks Yout..glad I made you laugh. But I am serious. Since I've been married 25 years I don't need a hug or a slap to the back of my head since my ever-so-loving wife (she's standing near me:)) Knows how to do both with extreme accuracy.

Let me ask you, wouldn't it be nice to have a tech site that is not bias one way or another and is set up to not only as a vehicle to trash other people but also to educate them since most that come here don't have a clue about tech stuff? I retired and do have the seed money and PC has the knowledge and I do think a new site that contained a news section that would also bring in a business component, an editorial section, a letter section, a learning section, and a beta testing section would do a lot better than this site or cnet and do so wothout Google ads or playing favorites. Besides I need a tax write-off. So I was serious.

Of course there would be a stringent TOS in place but almost all of the programs that appear here or at Cnet would be happy to also appear on a new site.

So take it at face value or not, that's up to you. Assume that I do have the money or not, that's up to you.

At the end of the day, I really think that there is a thirst out there among those to afraid to post here or at that joke site Cnet that they would welcome a more informed enviroment and one that they might actually learn somethig.

While my metion of "Yellow" journalism was extreme, both this site and Cnet intentional put out on the "news" section (and I use that term loosely) a title and summary that often bears no resemblence to the reality of the news.

But I am glad I brought a chuckle to your life:)

Have a great day:)

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By PC_Tool

posted May 16, 2008 - 5:53 PM

Holy s***.

*laughs*

I've always thought you should be in politics, Scott, and now I *know* you should.

My first thought, along with the thoughts of most anyone reading that headline was that for some asinine reason, MSFT had completely removed the backup feature, in it's entirety, from WHS.

Nice hook. Don't even *try* to tell us that wasn't intentional. ;)

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By siryak

posted May 16, 2008 - 6:35 PM

Lol it got me and you both to read it didn't it! Cant argue with success lol. *shrug*

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By mjm01010101

posted May 16, 2008 - 5:41 PM

I tend to avoid all products where corruption of data is an actual feature. Strange of me, I guess.

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By fewt

posted May 16, 2008 - 6:25 PM

You don't like your data served shaken on the rocks?

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By PC_Tool

posted May 16, 2008 - 7:25 PM

On the rocks, shaken, not stirred.

;)

Sheesh...

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By lvthunder

posted May 16, 2008 - 5:50 PM

Did you even read the article or are you here just to bash WHS?

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By mjm01010101

posted May 17, 2008 - 12:34 PM

WHS corrupts data. A fact well before this article was written.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 19, 2008 - 2:24 PM

You say that as though it's a given, or guaranteed to happen in any circumstance.

Fact is, most users won't encounter it.

Still, it's a total screw-up on their part, just not as universal as you seem to imply.

Still running it at home, though not expecting to ever see a WHS 2010 or anything with how they've dropped the ball on this one.

A little support for those of us who picked it up would have been nice though.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 16, 2008 - 7:25 PM

WHS doesn't have BASH. That's a Linux thing. :p

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By Paul Skinner

posted May 16, 2008 - 9:14 PM

*Spang*

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By PC_Tool

posted May 17, 2008 - 9:40 AM

*looks around*

What just broke?

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By Avion Airplane

posted May 17, 2008 - 12:01 PM

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By PC_Tool

posted May 17, 2008 - 3:52 PM

Aw, come on...

Be a man and spit it out AA.. ;)

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