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Blu-ray Causes PS3 Delay in Europe

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

September 6, 2006, 10:25 AM

Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi said Wednesday his company's PlayStation 3 game console rollout for the European market would be delayed. The PS3 had been scheduled for worldwide release in mid-November; now, the date will likely be March. Lack of blue laser diodes used by the console's built-in Blu-ray Disc player were directly blamed for the delay.

"I feel sorry. I think there are so many people out there who hold such high expectations for PS3," Reuters quotes Kutaragi as saying, just after the close of the Nikkei market, where Sony's stock had already fallen nearly one percent.

The Associated Press is reporting that it has learned directly from Kutaragisan that Sony also intends to reduce shipments to North America and Japan. 400,000 PS3 units will be available in North America on November 17, with only 100,000 units available in Japan on November 11.

Sony has not yet said how many more PS3 consoles it plans to produce before the end of the year, although its original worldwide sales goal for 2006 had previously been set at two million units.

Sony is the principal supplier of blue laser diodes, not only for its own Blu-ray Disc players and PS3 consoles, but also for other BD manufacturers as well, including player makers Matsushita, Pioneer and Philips. Sony also supplies diodes for Blu-ray burners.

Two months ago, Taiwan BD burner maker Lite-on IT, which also produces drives under the BenQ brand, voiced its concern in Taiwan's Commercial Times that Sony may have earmarked so many blue laser diodes for its own PS3 that it could not fill orders for other customers.

Two weeks ago, the Taiwanese electronics industry daily DigiTimes reported that only two BD equipment manufacturers, Pioneer and Plextor, said they were able to fulfill their shipments, while all the other major vendors -- Sony itself included -- reported likely delays, especially to Europe. Evidence of this pattern has been verified by British news sources.

Sony is far from the leading producer of blue laser diodes; Nichia holds that distinction, according to DigiTimes, with 80 percent of the world's supply. That company now reports that yield rates for its blue laser diodes, which it supplies to both BD and HD DVD customers, have yet to top 30 percent.

Sharp and Sanyo are the world's two other major blue laser diode suppliers, and they are also members of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

The delay of the PS3 in Europe comes at the worst possible time for that console, missing the critical holiday buying season, and perhaps even ceding it to Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's strangely-named, though much-lauded, Wii.

The latter console is the least dependent on new, cutting-edge technology, which in the face of supply problems is to Nintendo's advantage. Sony claims it will continue to meet its sales goal of six million PS3s sold worldwide during 2007, although analysts are now predicting a figure closer to four million.

Strangely, there could be a bit of a silver lining in this for Sony. Although hardware analysts such as iSuppli have yet to see a PS3 up close, they predict that component costs for Sony, once a teardown analysis is complete, will show that company losing far more per unit manufactured than Microsoft currently loses for each Xbox 360.

If Sony manufactures fewer PS3s, some could say it's losing less money in the short term. Furthermore, if those supplies end up being delayed by more than a single quarter, which is likely due to missing the holiday rush, component costs for Sony could actually decline, meaning the company saves even more on per-unit costs once it can fulfill those orders.

Sony Computer Entertainment America did not respond to a request for comment by press time.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Sep 7, 2006 - 2:23 PM

This will just give Nintendo and Microsoft yet one more opportunity to attack Sony's weak point for massive damage.

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By Tenoq

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:12 PM

Still just a console, isn't it? If you're spending that much, surely buying a computer would be a more sensible choice? Apparently Crytek reckon the new consoles won't be able to handle their latest game - not enough power and non-upgradable API.

Saying that before the console is even released makes me wonder how many more games will be like that in just one year. Scary!

I reckon I might get a Wii though. Realistic console pricing, with just the fun games. I can leave the serious gaming on the PC. :)

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Sep 7, 2006 - 2:07 PM

"Apparently Crytek reckon the new consoles won't be able to handle their latest game - not enough power and non-upgradable API."

I'm not a Sony fan myself...but I'd love to know where you learned this (url?)

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By stuarti

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 10:35 PM

LoL, what a surprise your time has come sony, XBOX rules and u know it!!! and so will HD-DVD, you will notice Hollywood studios (New Line Cinema, Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios and Warner Bros.) announced non-exclusive agreements to support HD DVD. Go on they no price rules:)

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By Galway

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 5:45 PM

Wonderfull. Sell the console at a loss and earn your profit on the games. Id love to have been in the boardroom when it was announced that they would effectively miss the Xmas cash cow and not be able to produce enough to reap the rewards.

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By jogiba

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 5:16 PM

"Strangely, there could be a bit of a silver lining in this for Sony. Although hardware analysts such as iSuppli have yet to see a PS3 up close, they predict that component costs for Sony, once a teardown analysis is complete, will show that company losing far more per unit manufactured than Microsoft currently loses for each Xbox 360."
How is that a silver lining ?

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By Tenoq

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:03 PM

I was wondering that myself. Even the following paragraph makes little sense, because Microsoft's component costs are just as likely to drop as Sony's. Unless BN belives that there are people just waiting to buy a PS3, regardless of release date... in which case Sony can just wait until components are cheap enough to make the console profitable. :P

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By imafurby

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 3:37 PM

Crikey, it oughta be banned after what it did to our mate Steve!

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By markg14

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 12:59 PM

I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused by a portion of this article. The release date is what confuses me as usual. One portion makes it sound like it will be in March: "The PS3 had been scheduled for worldwide release in mid-November; now, the date will likely be March." But then one part of the same exact article makes it sound like some will be available here in the U.S. in November:
"400,000 PS3 units will be available in North America on November 17, with only 100,000 units available in Japan on November 11."

So what is the release date for the PS3 here in the U.S., November or March???

Lastly, how much will the PS3 cost here in the U.S., both the basic and loaded one?

Anyone who understands this article or can answer these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time, and I hope that I am not alone in my confusion here.

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By Keith Lard

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 6:11 PM

Which part of "Blu-ray Causes PS3 Delay in Europe" do you not understand?

There is no PS3 delay in the US or Japan, only Europe.

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By Alex Stevens

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 3:36 PM

It will be released in limited quantities in the US and Japan in November, while Europe and basically the rest of the world will not get it until March.

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By Desides

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 3:33 PM

November 17 in the US and Japan, March in Europe and Australia.

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By foxfyre

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 2:01 PM

"I feel sorry. I think there are so many people out there who hold such high expectations for PS3,"

So the news is that Blu-Ray is further delayed in Europe?

Its been delayed EVERYWHERE for so long since its initial announcement that this is almost a meaningless statement.

I fear at its pricepoint the issue is all but moot anyway.

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By Black-Wolf

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 1:17 PM

So much for the BluRay and PS3...

Hope it's going to be worth the wait.

HD-DVD is better...

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By smarterthanyou

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 2:03 PM

Why is HD-DVD better? It only supports video resolutions of 1080i.

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By Banquo

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 2:22 PM

That's not true. HD-DVD also supports 1080p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

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By Keith Lard

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 2:40 PM

LOL, Using Wikipedia as a reference... Harldy reliable...

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By Tenoq

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:05 PM

Actually, Wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate and reliable than book-based encyclopaedias.

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By Banquo

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 2:55 PM

Harldy? If that information was wrong you don't think someone would have corrected it by now? I supposed you also didn't scroll down to the references for the article and links for the official specifications did you?

http://www.dvdforum.org/...HD_DVD_Universal_24.pdf

Oh and if you're afraid that isn't accurate either how about the information straight from Blu-Ray's official web site? Is that reliable enough for you?

http://www.blu-ray.com/f...ray_vs_hddvd_comparison

You may now go sit in the corner.

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By siryak

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 5:19 PM

Yep he is right. HD-DVD is going to support 1080p.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 5:24 PM

All of the movies released to date are already 1080p, it's just that the current players don't support it yet. The next ones certainly will of course. Either way I doubt most consumers have any idea what any of that stuff means anyway.

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By DCARTIST

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 12:41 PM

Interesting. I predicted this a while back (as did many others). Completely new fabs, completely new processor with big die size, new blue laser technology, and no units actually coming off the line.

It's a very interesting strategy for Sony to allocate 80% of their units to USA in 2006. Try to win the next-gen DVD standards war on US soil. Flood the market with cheap Blu-ray players sold at massive losses.

BUT WILL EARLY PS3 ADOPTERS (GAMERS) BE BIG BLU-RAY DVD BUYERS? BECAUSE THE WINNER OF THE FORMAT WARS IS NOT THE SIDE WITH THE MOST PLAYERS... IT'S THE SIDE WITH THE MOST DVDS SOLD.

Europeans will be pissed off that's for sure. Possibly the shortage of blue-diodes could bid the price UP, since Nichia sells to both HD-DVD and Blu-ray makers... and both will buy up EVERY DIODE THEY CAN MAKE RIGHT NOW. Whom they choose to sell to could determine the winner.

Not sure I agree with this:

"Strangely, there could be a bit of a silver lining in this for Sony. Although hardware analysts such as iSuppli have yet to see a PS3 up close, they predict that component costs for Sony, once a teardown analysis is complete, will show that company losing far more per unit manufactured than Microsoft currently loses for each Xbox 360. If Sony manufactures fewer PS3s, some could say it's losing less money in the short term. Furthermore, if those supplies end up being delayed by more than a single quarter, which is likely due to missing the holiday rush, component costs for Sony could actually decline, meaning the company saves even more on per-unit costs once it can fulfill those orders."

the problem with that reasoning is that the main reason component prices on Cell processor and BLU-RAY is economies of scale... and the "economies of scale" on BOTH those devices is probably 80% based on SONY PS3 SALES.

in other words, the price of a Cell processor will come down after Sony sells X number of PS3s... NOT after X amount of time passes.

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By billytech

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 12:28 PM

Just got my new 360, Love it, and i still have change for food....An awesome collection of games...And the promise of even more in November.
Hello 360, Good bye Betamax... MiniDisc...Network Walkman...UMD....HIDEOUSLY OVERPRICED Blu Ray, And Oh yes, My Dell Latitude's battery...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Sep 7, 2006 - 2:10 AM

You forgot about Sony's Hi-FD (Hi-Flopp Disc). It came out around when the Zip 100mb Disks came out, but did so bad that no one knows what it is.

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By billytech

posted Sep 8, 2006 - 11:13 AM

And I also forgot the "HI-MD" higher resolution Minidisc format designed to sound even better!!(SIC)...Yamaha and other serious Audio Studio equipment manufacturers even got caught up in this...Adding the recording drives right into their mixing consoles,and BOY were they burnt!Did you know there were actually four different Minidisc formats? Why have four versions of a flop?...Another dead horse beaten...

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By Alex Stevens

edited Sep 7, 2006 - 2:03 PM

I remember when those were announced, I wanted to get one. Especially since it was compatible with 1.44MB floppy discs. I waited and waited but nothing ever came of it. It wasn't until a few years later that I learned why; the first models released were horribly unreliable. They fixed the problems and released a revised model but by then their reputation was tarnished and no one would buy them. It didn't help that they were also very expensive.

Don't forget memory sticks. Now some people will scream and say that they didn't fail and that they are still used in many products to this day. There's just one problem, they are only used in SONY products. No one else will use the overpriced pieces of crap. CompactFlash and now SD cards are pretty much standards in the industry, and they are affordable. Sony is so freaking arrogant that they simply refuse to give in and start using them. Instead they cling to their proprietary memory sticks as if somehow they'll suddenly be accepeted. I guess another part of the reason is their MagicGate DRM crap. All I can say is they know where they can stick their memory sticks.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Sep 9, 2006 - 12:22 PM

Ahh, selective memory.. Your happy to forget Sony invented the 1.44MB floppy disk...

MSPRO actually have advantages over other types of media, it has a much higher write speed, good for multiple shots on camera.

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By WeezulDK

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 12:26 PM

And this, my friends, is why HD DVD formats are going to be so slowly adopted that I have a feeling BD will go the way of Betamax. Sony's greed knows no bounds.

Look at their track record of introducing proprietary formats that have NOT made it big, and tell me Blu-Ray is going to survive because of a GAMING console? Uhhh yeah... Right. What about us NON console gamers?

HD-DVD players on sale at Best Buy and Wal-Mart = 500 bucks

BD-DVD players: 1000+ bucks.

It's a no-brainer.

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By GCoder

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 12:17 PM

Consoles will be limited...

DUH! DerpyDerpaDerp

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:36 AM

Kutaragi said he now expects the combined shipments of the consoles for the Japanese and US markets to come in at 'slightly above 2.0 mln units' between November and December.

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By hiyoag

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:30 AM

Note to self:
Step 1: Buy PS3 November 17th.
Step 2: Sell it on eBay two weeks before Christmas.
Step 3: Roll in cash.

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By GCoder

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 12:19 PM

Hellz yeah...

...and let all the early adopters (aka suckers) have all the quality problems that always come with the first generation of production units. HA!

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By glock__17

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 9:07 PM

Ahhh... Agree but disagree... in some cases especially with Sony in their mad rush to release their not so ready products, the first release ( ie Firmware 1.0 etc) are usually the more hackable and flexible... this happened with the PS2 allowing the very first batch to play pirated software (not that I condone that)... also my beloved PSP, Firmware 1.0 allowing custom apps including non Sony released game emulation - thousands of SNES,ATARI,GENESIS titles.... often not a "quality problem" but a "control problem" for Sony.

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By wincement

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 12:43 PM

Agreed.

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By Banquo

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 11:32 AM

LOL, well so much for that whole "2 million BD players in every home" thing. Does anyone still want to pretend that was a good idea? Blu-Ray has scuttled the PS3 and all because of Sony's greed and arrogance. "We'll use our Playstation market share to FORCE our movie format onto the market. Brilliant!"

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By DaveBG

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:55 AM

FORCE?

No one will FORCE you to buy the best gaming console. Also if you preorder now you will have it with no delay. There will be half a milion of them!

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Sep 7, 2006 - 2:19 AM

"the best gaming console"
Really? Have you played it?

Also I'd like to have the option of getting a lower priced PS3 without a Blue-Ray (like MS is doing with HD-DVD) in it because I don't really watch movies. I don't even own a single DVD. So Blue-Ray is useless to me (at least in the PS3).

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By Banquo

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 12:10 PM

No, of course not. I was speaking from Sony's world dominating point of view. That is why they are going to fail, because they are stupid enough to always think they can shove their own formats down everyone's throat. As for it being the best gaming console, that's a joke. This overpriced hype machine will be lucky to come in third.

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By GCoder

edited Sep 6, 2006 - 12:22 PM

Until Sony can get a game like Halo, the PS3 is the sucker's $600 MMO/RPG console.

LOL@MMORPG-Losers

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By KSzostek

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 11:24 AM

This is really funny! Boycot Sony is the word of the day. They are sinking.

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By The Man

posted Sep 6, 2006 - 10:57 AM

"400,000 PS3 units will be available in North America on November 17"
:o
sux
looks like i might be stuck with a wii till spring.
oh well, cheaper anyway. want to try the new zelda too.
:-)

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