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Class Action Lawsuit Claims 'Vista Capable' is Misleading

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

April 3, 2007, 5:14 PM

A lady in Washington state who apparently purchased a computer in late 2006 bearing the "Vista Capable" sticker, and who only later discovered it was only capable of running Vista Home Basic, has filed a class action lawsuit against Microsoft in her home state, seeking in excess of $5 million.

The lawsuit alleges Microsoft misrepresented the capacity of computers to run all of Vista's purported features, directly citing Acer senior vice president Jim Wong's comments last October that "Premium is the real Vista" as indication that at least one PC maker believed Basic was not the real Vista.

"Pursuant to Microsoft's 'Express Upgrade' program, consumers purchasing 'Windows Vista Capable' computers would receive upgrades to 'Vista' for little or no cost," the suit reminds the court.

"In fact, the upgrade for many of these customers is to Home Basic, which offers few (if any) advantages over the existing XP operating system, and few of the features that Microsoft marketed as and calls 'Vista,' such as Vista's signature Aero desktop and 'Flip 3D navigation.' Consumers were falsely led to believe they would be upgraded to a version of a dramatically new operating system that Microsoft knew was 'Vista' in name only, and was not functionally superior to the XP operating system."

The fact that the Aero environment would only apply to premium tiers of Vista has been generally known since the wraps first came off the Vista name in 2005. But the lawsuit alleges Microsoft came up with the term "core Vista experience" that would appear to pertain to Aero's graphical features, while obscuring the fact that it pertained to an essentially glorified version of XP. It cites Chairman Bill Gates as having personally used the term during a Vista unveiling that appeared on NBC's Today program last January, which the lawsuit called furthering "Microsoft's unfair and deceptive conduct."

This is despite explanations of the differences between Vista tiers made by retailers such as Silicon Mountain, which we located on its Web site today: "Microsoft has created two designations for Vista-ready systems. A Windows Vista Capable system has the minimum hardware required to deliver the core Vista experience. A Windows Vista Premium Ready system is capable of delivering the premium Vista experiences, including the Windows Aero desktop interface. You'll want to analyze how each system is used in your office to determine which set of requirements is appropriate."

Not only were reports of the breakdown of Vista's various editions made public in February of last year, but Microsoft itself inadvertently revealed the breakdown on its Web site earlier than it had planned. For well over a year, the fact of Vista Home Basic's Aero-deficiency has been well circulated - in fact, they're what directly led to Acer's Wong's comments complaining that Home Basic was inefficient.

But most importantly, the Home Basic information was public knowledge prior to Microsoft's announcement the following month that consumer editions of Vista would be delayed until 2007. The lawsuit alleges that Microsoft concocted a scheme to compel customers to purchase lower-class computers using Home Basic and the "Vista Capable" sticker after the delay was announced in March.

The lawsuit seeks a jury trial. Thus far, Microsoft has issued no public comment in response to the suit.

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By rhall128

edited Feb 25, 2008 - 12:18 PM

I would like to know how to get onboard with this lawsuit. I am currently on a computer labeled Windows Vista Capable and after a little research, I found out my computer cannot run it without problems. Please let me know how to join the class-action lawsuit.

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By VanessaJ

edited Apr 18, 2007 - 7:02 AM

My brother was one of such customers who bought a "Windows Vista Capable" PC but could only run the Home version. We've been following this case for awhile now. Kudos to that lady in Seattle for picking a fight with Microsoft.

here are a few articles that may be of interest:

http://www.class-action-...roducts/microsoft-vista/

Seattle Post Intelligencer article Microsoft sued over Windows Vista marketing

Info World’s story

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By zaznet

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 7:57 AM

"Buyer beware" and "You get what you pay for" are two commonly quoted phrases that come to mind. This case gains sympathy but has little legal merit. If a license agreement provided to the customer at time of purchase simply includes "Home Basic" or "minimum features" the case should be instantly closed.

Do we need 5 versions of Windows? Certainly not. Do users of "Home Basic" need to be paid for suffering with the lowest tier of those options? I for one don't think so.

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By horsecharles

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 10:16 AM

"If a license agreement provided to the customer at time of purchase simply includes "Home Basic" or "minimum features" the case should be instantly closed."

Not necessarily-- not all fine print is legally binding.

Upgrading is just too confusing now: someone on XP Home wanting a like edition of Vista will likely take Home Basic and be sorely disappointed....someone on XP Pro will take Home Premium or Business and be ticked at having spent good money to basically receive an OS downgrade...

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By mshulman

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 10:31 AM

How so?

Vista Basic replaces XP Home. It does everything XP Home will do a tiny bit more.

And Vista Business replaces XP Pro. How is it a downgrade?

Media Center is replaced by Home Premium.

And if you want all of the above in 1 packaged, you get Ultimate.

Seems pretty simple to me. Case Closed!

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By horsecharles

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 12:58 PM

What you say is true but not obvious to a layman.

But i think each has some less functions(and new added features don't compensate overall) than its predecessor, esp. Basic.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 1:55 PM

Explain that.

What functionality is missing in Vista Home Basic that *was* there in XP Home edition?

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By Dwins

edited Feb 13, 2008 - 8:42 AM

Fax app is missing! This is a common app since the 3.1 days. And now they remove it!

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By joeshmoe7

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 5:16 PM

Maybe the sticker should just say, "Vista Home Basic Capable" if that's all they can run. Maybe???

Oh but then it will make the computer look crappy, which it is, so, yeah.

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By Joe Dirt

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 4:05 PM

LOL @ iamtux.

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By iamtux

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 1:17 PM

LOL @ your inability to say anything meaningful relating to this topic.

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By morriscox

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 2:59 PM

Got a chuckle out of this comment and I don't often chuckle. Got a grin too and this time it wasn't an evil one.

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By iamtux

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 12:07 PM

$5 million is really excessive. Why doesn't she just seek the amount for a better computer, even a top of the line model with Vista Ultimate or something? I don't think it was that misleading at all. It said Vista Capable and it could in fact run Vista, just not the version SHE wanted. Too bad. If she'd done her research, which was what she should have done before buying a computer, she would know what to look for and what the differences are. Bottom line: It's her own fault and she's blaming MS for her mistake.

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By zaznet

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 8:01 AM

$5 Million is for a class action lawsuit. This is not what she would win, but what the suit seeks to win for multiple customers.

If the case has merit expect a quick settlement with any rebate not being in cash value but as credit towards other Microsoft product purchases. The amount in any settlement would be much less than half of the original filed claim. Why? Well the law firm is going to take 25-50% of the awarded money for processing all the claims.

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By bsf

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 5:59 PM

man if this suit was in Japan, Microsoft could win a counter suit against this woman for trying to degrade Vista's image

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By drumcat

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 4:39 PM

LMAO @ Imatool

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By horsecharles

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 3:37 PM

1. I have to agree with the plaintiffs in this suit-- and 2. to boot the new naming is counterproductive for MS, as it does not maximize sales.

To start, backwards compatibility should've been tossed out the window- with ONLY a 64 bit OS geared for multi-core being created. WHY?

A. as things stand now, 32 bit Vista on new equipment is NOT an upgrade(actually a performance downgrade in a lot of cases) over an older system running xp/23K...IF you disagree: at the very least you would agree that the few innovations are not worth the considerable $$$ required to upgrade both software & hardware while to boot in many cases running your applications slower.

B. This is actually delaying technology-- as far as widespread adoption, i don't see Win platform software that takes advantage of 64bit and multi-cores in the horizon. And this creates an opening- albeit a small one- for other OS competitors(and platforms non- AMD/Intel).

back to
A. The aforementioned is exacerbated by the new naming convention:
From MS point of view, the goal should be for previous OS version users to continue with at least a version equal to, but even better- a higher($$$) one.
And, you don't want a bunch of folks who mistakenly purchased what they thought was a commesurate OS version(to their previous one), become disgruntled users who subsequently realize they need to re-upgrade.

For clarity purposes, Vista edition naming should mostly follow that of the preceding OS: Home, Server, Pro, MCE.

The pig Home Basic(shudder to think what the Third World Starter ed. looks like) should actually be called Vista Lite or Vista Home Lite at best.

Home Premium should be Vista MCE or Vista Home MCE Plus or +.

Business should either have Express following it, or Small preceding it.

Ultimate(and 64 bit 2k3 Server) should be scrapped in favor of Vista Pro Complete & Vista Server editions.

The first three(first two especially) are extremely misleading as to what one would expect to receive feature-wise.
As for the last one-- it would help improve sales in two ways:
Ultimate by itself tends to induce those budget-conscious to dismiss it for containing a lot more than they need, while...
the new names make it easier for the current XP Pro & 2K3 base to blithely gravitate to them.

Peace.

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By mshulman

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 10:35 AM

First. I find the 32 Bit version runs just as well as XP did on my laptop.

Second - We can't switch to 64 bit just yet. Do you know how many applications wouldn't work? This generation of Windows OS will help bridge the gap between 32 bit and 64 bit. Developers are starting to make their products support the 64 bit OS, so by the time the next windows releases, this might be a reality.

And finally, in answer to this comment "The first three(first two especially) are extremely misleading as to what one would expect to receive feature-wise."

I present this link: http://www.microsoft.com...20361a&mg_id=20361b

Seems pretty clear to me.

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By zaznet

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 8:14 AM

Why rename the products? That would just confuse things more. We don't need 5 distinct flavors. Windows is highly customizable isn't it?

Last I checked I could add and remove programs and change options all day long and not try everything out there. Why did Microsoft forget this long ago?

Solution? Installation wizard! Oh wait that's been done so many times it's not an original idea I know! I stole this idea from Microsoft Windows 3.0! :)

You buy one DVD which includes all available product choices. During installation the only real differences should be to license as a server or workstation. That part is controlled by the key. Microsoft wants to give discounts to businesses, they do that in where the business acquires the product at purchase time.

So the wizard continues after the server or workstation is determined and probes hardware. Didn't find a high end video card? Disable those high end graphics features. Didn't find a high end CPU? Disable features that are CPU intensive. Prompt the user for the system being used at home or at the office (home vs business features are determined).

Why does Microsoft work so hard to confuse their customers and build dissatisfaction? It is counter productive.

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By Program86

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 10:34 AM

5Million is a lot of Vista Capable computers, because I'm sure thats what shes after... *wink*

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 10:34 AM

Class Action Lawsuit!

Allow or Deny?

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By THZGryphon

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 2:42 PM

*Yawn*

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By robmanic44

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 10:29 AM

We certainly do love to litigate. This should be thrown out as frivolous. There are actually people who are addicted to this practice. The theory goes that if you sue enough people with deep pockets you'll eventually hit the jackpot.

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By Metfanant

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 10:15 AM

While I agree that people SHOULD be more educated on their purchases, I can totally understand why she feels screwed over...

Now, as many of you on BetaNews, I personally built my desktop PC, with the hardware that I wanted, and the software that I wanted. I made the switch early on to XP x64 to take advantage of my big bad (at the time lol) P4 630 but anyways...BIG mistake...got totally fed up with that OS never working correctly, as did MANY and switched to MCE....I also own an Apple MacBook and love that thing to death as it gets so much more use than the PC ever does, but thats another story....

I end up "fixing"(virus, spyware, yadda, yadda) god knows how many computers from friends or relatives that just don't know jack about computers (as im sure many of you do the same "fixing").

I could totally see many friends or family members seeing a sticker saying Vista Capable and easily thinking that it will be able to run Microsoft Windows Vista...which it can, but we all know its bogus...

Yes, I know...Microsoft even says on their site that it will run Basic, and not Aero...but how public is that really? People hear about a new OS, that is SO MUCH BETTER THEN XP! and when you go into the store, they don't exactly advertise that "Vista Capable" means you can run a crippled version of the OS that is not worth an upgrade from XP, especially Pro....

Its deceiving, and I say good for this woman for going after M$...

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By Babylon2x

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 9:15 AM

Superlame.

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By cory1492

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 3:40 AM

Perhaps "Vista cripple-able" should be the slogan?

haha.

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By Straspey

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 11:33 AM

ROFLMAO !!!

Great !

btw...I'm still on hold with Microsoft tech support for a question about Windows 3.1..."Your approximate wait time is - seven years."

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 11:06 PM

You were running 3.1 in 2000?

Did your question happen to be :

"Why am i still running outdated software?"

Latz, SB

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By burfadel

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 2:06 AM

Most people getting new computers or upgrading are getting the 32 bit version of Vista. I think thats the biggest waste of all! Computer spec wise, if you're computer can't run a 64 bit operating system it can't run Vista!

People say they don't go 64 bit because of driver support, they don't realise that without 32 & 64 bit drivers companies can't get WHQL. Without WHQL you can't (easily) install the drivers (you can but the average use won't be able to) so thats a very stupid and moot argument!

Some antivirus and firewall programmmes don't support 64 bit, but the 64 bit component only has to be the driver level component (like 100kb or so), so if they don't have 64 bit by now it can't be very good software.

You can't run 16 bit apps on 64 bit, but everything since Windows 95 should be at least 32 bit so thats another moot point. 32 bit operating systems are limited to 3gb of usable RAM (normally 4GB but the way Windows accesses it, it can actually be less than 3GB), and you should have at least 2GB of RAM truthfully when running Vista if you plan to use any video editing or playing any games. 64 bit doesn't use much more resources than 32 bit Vista, and its peformance is actually better on systems capable of running it, even if you are only using 32 bit apps, as the 64 bit instructions are more efficient.

64 bit applications, of which will become much more common in the future, are faster if written correctly than their 32 bit counterparts. Just like 32 bit versions were faster than their 16 bit counterparts.

If people want to sue, they should be sueing for the fact that they're buying a 32 bit version of Vista with a new computer when that it out-dated.

Originally Microsoft weren't going to release Service Pack 1 for 32 bit Vista, I'm not sure whether that is still the case.

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By smarterthanyou

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 4:14 AM

I though that in order to display the Certified For Windows Vista logo on a product a company had to have both 32-bit and 64-bit WHQL certified drivers, but Microsoft must have changed their minds on that at the last minute. Canon claims that their CanoScan LiDE 20 flatbed scanner is fully certified for Windows Vista but they have no plans to release 64-bit drivers.

Then again, Microsoft originally said that 64-bit Vista would not allow the installation of unsigned drivers. This is certainly not the case because it's possible to use Nvidia's unsigned 64-bit beta graphics drivers with no special tweaking to 64-bit Vista.

As for Service Pack 1 for Vista, Microsoft never said they wouldn't release Service Pack 1 for 32-bit Vista. They have always had plans to release all updates for both 32-bit and 64-bit Vista including service packs.

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By flareback

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 11:58 PM

She should get over it. And I don't see why it's a $5,000,000 lawsuit. At most it's a 2000 dollar new computer, at most.

But, all the different versions are annoying.

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By drumcat

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 3:39 AM

You don't understand because you have no clue. It's a class action lawsuit, not some civil moneygrab. Search class action on wikipedia, and get ejikatid.

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By TheSlasher

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 11:20 PM

Vista Basic shouldn't even exist. Premium should be simply 'Vista' - end of story. All this basic and premium rubbish makes me want to ditch Microsoft and go open source.

MS, you listening?

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By TheSlasher

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 11:20 PM

Vista Basic shouldn't even exist. Premium should be simply 'Vista' - end of story. All this basic and premium rubbish makes me want to ditch Microsoft and go open source.

MS, you listening?

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By THZGryphon

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 2:38 PM

Oohh, I'm sure you scared them into changing now.

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By Joe Dirt

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:21 PM

Good for her. It's about time. I'm tired of Microsoft and these huge companies like Dell, HP, Gateway, etc stating a PC is "Vista Capable". It's a bunch of bull. I'm running it on the laptop I'm typing this on and it's the worst Microsoft OS I've ever used. I hate it and am going to reload this laptop with XP Pro tomorrow. I'm running Vista Business Edition.

I hope she wins the case. It's true that Home Basic offers almost nothing more than XP Home does. Heck Vista Ultimate offers almost nothing over XP Pro with a few downloaded add-ons.

Like I said......my next computer will be an Apple.

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By Program86

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 10:43 AM

MacBookPro running OSX and XP side by side...gotta love it!

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By mshulman

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 1:11 AM

Are you kidding me?

This is exactly what's wrong with this country. People suing left and right over the most idiotic things. She probably has XP Home. Basic is the direct replacement for home, so why should she get anything else?

And come on - is Aero or the flip 3D really needed? It's just a cool look, nothing more.

Its these same people that would (for example) borrow your chainsaw, hurt themselves and then sue you.

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:34 PM

You sure about that?

I dont think DOS would allow you to even post this comment, but then again adding more features such as...support 4 newer technology should not affect in the least why you choose an operationg system.

Enjoy the Apple. I will enjoy having more choices on compatability.

Latz, SB

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By wreckedchevy

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 2:13 PM

i think people need to quit buying pos computers from dell, hp, etc... and go back to the local guys mine's ran every beta version of vista and now vista home premium and it'll crap on any xp machine you throw at it. last night i was encoding video with nero vision and playing c&c 3 at the same time beyond tv was recording tv shows in the background. it's by far the fastest os i've ever used if you trully get a modern machine instead of the $399 special from walmart

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By The MAZZTer

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 11:32 PM

It's definitely possible. I'm using Lynx to post this comment (console-based web browser). There is at least one graphical browser for DOS too. And this is even if you don't count Windows 3.11, which technically runs on top of DOS (as do Windows 9x/ME).

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 2:59 AM

My point being that the technology is outdated.

But if you are suggesting that DOS is as capable as any current day OS, then why has anyone ever bothered to upgrade, or from someething even prior to DOS... a la OS/2?

Latz, SB

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By PostDeals

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:11 PM

I hope she wins :)

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By vinchinzu

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 9:46 PM

Lady: "I didn't get that flippy 3D navigation thingy so I demand $5 Million Dollars"!!!

I'd like to know what advantages she thinks she's missing out on where she justifies filing a class action law suit.

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By mjm01010101

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 7:53 PM

"A lady in Washington state... "

I love Betanews journalism. It's--shall we say-- unique. :)

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By calvan

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 7:37 PM

If some one would have told her the differences and fully explained to her why she should buy a vista ready machine instead. She would have still purchased $400 computer and it would have done everything she probably needed it to do. Which is probably complaining about stuff.

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By WeezulDK

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 7:16 PM

"A Windows Vista Capable system has the minimum hardware required to deliver the core Vista experience. A Windows Vista Premium Ready system is capable of delivering the premium Vista experiences, including the Windows Aero desktop interface."

She just might win this because of the fact that Aero is being touted big as the new "Vista Experience" by Microsoft, but the "Vista Capable" should really say "Vista BASIC Capable".

This doesn't surprise me, because IMHO Basic is just there because MS wants to claim the "99 dollar upgrade" price, when we all know Vista Basic isn't worth a hill of beans over XP.

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By smarterthanyou

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 2:16 AM

This lady doesn't deserve a penny from Microsoft. Microsoft never guaranteed that Vista Capable systems would be able to use every feature that Vista had to offer.

Vista Home Basic is a major upgrade from Windows XP Home Edition. You finally get the exact same level of security that you get in Vista Ultimate. By comparison, Microsoft made it very clear that they wanted to remove all of the security features found in Windows NT from XP Home Edition. Also, Vista Home Basic is much more reliable and crashes a lot less than Windows XP. Except when it comes to running high end games since Vista Home Basic does not include any support whatsoever for the new WDDM graphics driver model.

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By bbfc

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 6:48 PM

Couldn't stop laughing after I read this!

Who is this woman?!

Vista Capable means just that, its Capable of running Vista, which it is, the Home Basic edition! Didn't it state when buying a PC with an Express Upgrade which version you would get? (i.e. XP Home = Vista Home Basic)

Isn't it just 'Aero' and assoicated features that she is missing out on? Think there is more to Vista than the interface!!

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:48 PM

I don't know - did it? If it didn't, maybe she has a case...

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By bbfc

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 6:57 PM

I think Dell had it listed on their site because it was one of the 'Options' when building a PC.

Microsoft haven't issued a Public Statements because their probably still laughin...

EDIT: I understand that she might not of known about Home Basic and Home Premium and the main difference, i.e. Aero, but its not Microsoft's fault if consumers don't do their research!

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By st0mp

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:27 PM

They need to be slapped in the face anyway. I was working on building me a new PC. and when they came out with the vista upgrade for free if i buy a new copy of windows i seen a win, win for me. well after i ordered the OS windows MCE edition. with in the month i read about how i will not be able to install vista with out first installing MCE first. i jumped on the phone and called MS. MS said i would still be able to do a clean install and i would not have to worry about having to install 2 OS if my system went down i believed them.(and yes when i called i still could have sent my MCE back and got my money back and just bought a oem copy of vista) but instead i lessened to what MS said. well i had one device that i needed windows vista driver for so i waited till it came out. (yesterday) well looks like i DO have to install MCE first THEN install VISTA. they do need slapped. tried to go legit but MS i see will not let me!

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By mshulman

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 1:15 AM

Well, technically speaking, MCE is only to be provided OEM. But it appears a few places sell it and work around that. So I don't see MS to blame as any typical system with MCE would usually come with it pre-installed, so an upgrade would be likely.

I'm curious though - what prevents you from installing fresh?

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By smarterthanyou

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 4:19 AM

It depends on your product key. If you buy an upgrade version of Vista at retail and try doing a fresh install by booting directly off the DVD then when you get to the disk partitioning screen you will get a message stating that Vista must be installed from within your previous version of Windows.

OEM versions of Windows Vista never come with an upgrade product key. They always come with a full version product key that gives you the choice of doing an upgrade or a clean install.

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By Mystiqq

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 8:47 PM

Microsoft has been laughing for a long time.

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By divinelogic

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:45 PM

Now although I do agree with the reasons behind the class action lawsuit, I don't agree she's realizing the point. Asking for $5 million is a little absurd, don't you think? Did she spend $5 million on getting a new computer? Obviously not, else she would definitely have had a "Windows Vista Premium Ready" computer.

I think this lawsuit is silly and foolish. I'm a computer builder, and I wouldn't have sued Microsoft for something like this unless I knew I would win. She has no knowledge of the I.T. industry (although that's not her fault), and therefore her attorneys are ill-advised to pursue this case unless they bring in an I.T. expert who can claim and demonstrate the difference between a "Vista Capable" computer compared to a "Vista Premium" computer, and how much of a cost difference is involved, compared to the advantages and disadvantages of each version.

In other words, her attorneys should bring me in as a witness. I've already testified Microsoft has implemented open source code into Vista, and with Vista being able to be broken with an animated cursur (at least until today's patch is implemented), and recent news of Microsoft filing suits against companies for supposedly selling "education" licensed versions of it's software to potential retail customers, I'd say Microsoft is pretty screwed right now. They have no option but to grin and bare their own fate, because they still have yet to learn there's more to life than making billions of dollars!

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By bbfc

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 7:28 PM

Did she spend $5 million on getting a new computer? Obviously not, else she would definitely have had a "Windows Vista Premium Ready" computer.

I'd want a 'Windows Vista Super-Duper Premium Ready" compuer for that much! lol

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By wav

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:48 PM

You read past where it said Class Action, where she herself does not claim the entire award, it is disbursed among qualifying affected buyers with like and similar situations that fall under the class action suit.

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:45 PM

Class action means that more than one person needs to file for the same lawsuit.

She is probably just the 1st to speak out about it.

You cant have class action ( and case will get thrown out ) if only one person is filing the lawsuit.

SHe got her 15 minutes, now wants a piece of the $5 mil.

All i see hear is someone that got swindled and now wants to get the money back.

Its called being gullible.

She probably agreed to let the lawyers take 99.99% of the money, as long as she got a new laptop.

Heh, silly people. I wonder how she will prove that the only reason she bought the computer was to get a free version of Vista.

And i truly hope she herself is COMPUTER capable, not 2 mention any operating system...

Latz, SB

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:38 PM

You guys, she's seeking a CLASS ACTION suit. She's not going to get $5m. If she wins, she'll likely get about $10,000 plus lawyers, and 4m will get distributed as a BS "coupon" for Microsoft products, as have prior CA suits.

Look, I think she's an unwise consumer, but Microsoft still can't bait & switch customers. It's like saying you won a brand new wooden floor, made of laminate that sort of looks like wood.

Would your grandmother have known that when she bought a vista-sorta-ready box, she wouldn't be able to get all the advertised features?

Put me down; she wins this case.

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By Randomfool

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 9:51 AM

My grandma wouldn't know what all the advertised features were in the first place and would be perfectly happy with whatever she bought.

Microsoft didn't bait and switch anyone her PC is capable of running Vista Home BASIC, end of story. If she bought a Vista capable PC that could only run DOS then she might have a case.

This is like me suing panasonic because I bought a cheap DVD player that doesn't have a Component out with the intention of connecting it with Component.

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By blakedough

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:42 PM

Yes your right, has any other idiot come forward.

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:47 PM

Dunno, yet. I'd put money on a dozen senior home buddies that bought the same thing from QVC. It'll make class.

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By blakedough

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:37 PM

"unbelievable 5 Million" I'm still trying to figure out how did she get to that number.

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:38 PM

Class action. Think $50 100,000 ways.

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By wav

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 6:52 PM

There is a extremely HIGH probability that the computer she bought is Windows XP Home, bearing the "Vista Capable" sticker, hence being able to upgrade to Windows Vista Home (aka Basic). Why should anyone expect more?

Wow.... Just---- Wow.

*Edit: I can see why you would want to be big and mighty with the premium, or Professional (as I have XP Pro myself), but I cannot imagine 2 people had the same issue.

**Edit: I understood it was class action, but even still, half class action lawsuits are bogus and are bull crap. I can see a class action lawsuit that someone in Cali had with Hyundai where pressure sensors in the passenger side airbag detection wasn't properly working for younger lighter individules who sit incorrectly... That is a SAFETY issue that Hyundai was declining to correct. Microsoft bait and switch, I doubt they thought "ohhh lets leave the "Home" or "Basic" off the tag and make people think they can get Premium or Professional. If grandma wanted the run of the mill "XP Home" PC, you don't EXPECT that grandma would care or WANT to go Vista Professional. Who would? If they bought a XP Pro PC and it didn't upgrade to Vista Pro, then there is a problem...

***Edit: Never ever thought I would edit a post 3 times so quickly! But I stand corrected. I misinterpreted, and you are exactly right. I pushed passed Premium Home and took it as the "Professional" or "Ultimate" version. Woulda been even nicer if MS didn't create so many different versions this time. ;]

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:40 PM

If she bought Home, and didn't know that the new version was going to be split between Home Basic and Home Premium, why would she know? You guys can't assume that *everyone* reads BetaNews and crap.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 12:19 PM

You apparently also cannot assume that a buyer is responsible for knowing what they're buying...

Lord knows, we can't start holding people responsible for their own purchasing decisions. That would be crazy...

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By mshulman

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 1:18 AM

If she bought home though, then home obviously met her needs. Basic does all that home does, so it will still meet her needs.

Where's the problem?

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:49 PM

IM quite confident that i can assume that everyone reads crap.

And reading and thinking what you want to think for your own benefit and not being well infrmed when making purchases falls under crap.

Shes full of it.

Hope she gets countersued byother women as being plain stupid.

ALl she has to do to repay that debt is not reproduce.

Thats is all any of us could ask for.

Latz, SB

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By bbfc

edited Apr 4, 2007 - 9:25 AM

Hope she gets countersued by another women as being plain stupid

Now that would be funny!!

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By Neoprimal

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 6:30 PM

"has filed a class action lawsuit against Microsoft in her home state, seeking in excess of $5 million."

5 million is quite excessive...

While I understand what most of you are saying, she's right on a distant level. Using the view that a Vista Premium PC says "Vista Premium Capable", the packaging should then at least read "Vista Basic Capable", yes? Now granted, in the real world, this is by all means her fault. If I buy a GPS that is horrific, slow, inaccurate....am I going to sue the maker because it's a GPS and it's supposed to do all this stuff?

I sincerely hope it bites her in the a$$ so that other people don't get similar ideas. Apparently, people can sue you for looking at them 'wrong' nowadays so who knows what the result will be.

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By ogman

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 8:48 AM

I have a hard time feeling sorry for a company that gets sued. After all, isn't clogging the courts with frivolous lawsuits the corporate sport of choice these days?

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By testman

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:51 PM

This woman is an idiot. "Vista Capable" is what it said and it's what she got. It didn't specify the exact version of Vista, but it didn't have to, it said it was capable of Vista, and she got Vista, the Basic one!

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:38 PM

"A lady in Washington state ..."

that opening is good ... but this one is better:

"A crazy lady in Washington state ..."

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By petgamer

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:48 PM

No joke... Everyone wants in on the action it seems. *yawn*

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By sjc001

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:29 PM

caveat emptor

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:29 PM

A Windows Vista Capable system has the minimum hardware required to deliver the core Vista experience. A Windows Vista Premium Ready system is capable of delivering the premium Vista experiences, including the Windows Aero desktop interface.

Yet again people can't take responsibility for their own lack of research and decide to blame the other guy.

"It can't *possibly* be my fault. Why should *I* have to do any research when purchasing expensive equipment?"

Apparently, that's what lawyers are for...

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By bbfc

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 7:19 PM

Yet again people can't take responsibility for their own lack of research and decide to blame the other guy.

Exactly. As I said above, MS cannot be held responsible if consumers don't do their research.

EDIT: I hope this gets thrown out of court with the judge laughing all the way...

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By drumcat

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 9:04 PM

Now that's just naive on your part. There are a slew of consumer protection laws just for purposes of shady marketing. Whether it applies here is up to the case, but don't act like companies have no rules to follow.

If she was doing her research, and that led her to a conclusion that was inaccurate because of the marketing materials being misleading, she'll win her case, like it or not.

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By bbfc

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 9:22 AM

In most electronic stores in the UK (major chains I'm talking about, i.e. Currys.digital, PC World, I think even HMV had some) there have been notices about Vista since before Christmas and leaflets detailing each version and what you get. I picked one up on my out of the store, now am sure if we had them over here then stores in the US would of, in fact, it should of said when she bought the computer which version of Vista she would get as part of the Express Upgrade.

Couldn't she hold the retailer responsible for not giving her proper advice?

I wouldn't call this shady marketing and the information has been available for nearly a year now!

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By terminalx

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 9:58 PM

the thing is this has been public knowledge for over a year, no one hid this its been on Microsoft's site and all over everywhere else it even indicates when upgrading to a vista capable machine to check everything beforehand and that vista capable meant at the very least it could run vista basic nothing mroe nothing less

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By snakes200

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 10:20 PM

the dumb thing about this woman's suit is she obviously doesn't know anything about computers. if she opened the side of her case i can almost guarantee that since it is vista capable that it has an expansion slot for a PCI-E card. Which all she will need to do is get a cheap 60-80 dollar card and she can finally use aero duh. some people are so dense i swear.

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By smarterthanyou

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 4:26 AM

Plus the cost of Vista Home Premium.

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By Sexbarril

posted Apr 4, 2007 - 11:14 PM

Actually, to make it capable of running Aero, it would suffice.

To actually run it, she would need to purchase a version of VIsta that has it as a feature.

Technicality, which is how she will lose in court :).

Latz, SB

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By mosdef

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 10:30 AM

if she wanted the ultimate she should've done some research/she probably purchased a cheap computer and expecting it to have it all..if she actually looked at the specs for the dif vista versions and compare them to her computer she ..well too much talkin about common sense stuff..she just wants that money and shes not going to get 5 million..not even a copy of vista

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