That is exactly right, roj. Good to know that I live in a country that supports and upholds the rights and freedoms of it's citizens. Terrorism will NOT stand in Canada, that is for damn sure. But neither will we, the citizens of this country allow ourselves to fall into the situations that those very terrorists want us to fall into. They want us to be afraid, they want us to cower and hide, and give up everything that we work hard for. I say that I will never do such a thing, and I will always continue to live freely, and not submit to some money hungry corporations gov't pressured requests.

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Why don't you explain it before anyone else interjects their opinion? I'd like to know your line of thinking.

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"We the people deserve better then this."

lol
you, the people, make it happen

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stop giving your private information out to public companies

besides, the government should have access to all public service information
how exactly do you people expect the gov. to conduct investigations?
hire a p.i.?
call the local police department?
let's get real, the gov. needs to have special privilages when dealing with public security. letting the public know what they're doing, would only undermine their efforts.

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I suppose if someone printed it then it is the truth. Yeah, okay, right...

I am disputing what has been going on, the media won't be my proof. Is it okay to just assume guilt in this case?

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The charter and mission of the NSA seems innocent enough. I just can't believe that legislators believed, on conception, that the NSA would be collecting records of millions of American citizen's activities including, credit and banking records, patterns of credit card and band card expenditures, phone and other personal records (or that other government agencies would also engage in some of this activity). I am pretty sure that it would be tough to find legislators that believed that the NSA would intentionaly create secret (if not rogue) schemas designed to skirt Congressional and Judicial oversight. Yes...naive to believe that (without stringent oversight) an agency with so much power would not abuse it.

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What tamahome320 said! I wish America had 1/10th the problem-solving skills of Canada. If you compare the two countries' histories, you quickly notice how Canada manages to avoid every single major crisis we experience in the US. There's a reason for that, and having visited often and lived in Canada on and off, I can say I love that country, but not the US. Just wish I were a Canadian citizen.

I'm ashamed to be American with the criminal we have as president now.

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I personaly think your an idiot from Canada you can't see the difference of right or wrong.

Your country is so chicken sh*t you can't make a decision on much of anything.

Don't sit there knocking America, you plucky Canadian chicken sh*t.

It just had to be said!

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Very, nicely stated! And thank you for posting the truth, even though it will always fall on deaf ears.

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OK let me take a crack at this one. Being part of the great white dope people, I Agree with most of what you say. IT is true that we do in fact value life over natural born rights, but that is the way we are raised sir. Look at our school systems, these people cant even read but yet WE graduate them. Why? For one simple reason, they do what they are told. End of Story. As for logic what the hell is that, were talking about America; a country that I live in so I can talk smack all I want thank you.We are to complacent to do anything so we just sit here on threads like these and b**** about it.
No one has the BALLS anymore to stand up for what is right here in America or Canada.

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I did very much, actually. But I'm Canadian too. :P

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Yeah... every time I drive pass a gated community I always wonder how much longer our nation will hang on.

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You make a convincing speech, unfortunately, you write many words that do not answer any of the questions you claim to answer.

You finally gave an attempt of an answer for the all-important question, but your answer is not an answer to the question asked. Question was:

"Tell me *ONE* , JUST *ONE* Liberty or Freedom you have lost or given up as a result..."

Answer: "Obviously you haven't read the USA Patriot Act. How about the 5th Amendment? You CAN be detained indefinitely and not charged as an "enemy combatant" — even on American soil."

Since you're the vigillante, why not give us the answer? I've read the 5th Amendment and the Patriot Act and came to a different conclusion. Show me something I must have missed.

"The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves labeled as terrorists."

That's the TV speaking, not you. I seriously doubt any of us have read the entire Patriot Act, most of all, you. Why do you belive what SOMEONE ELSE says about the Patriot Act? Read it yourself first--oh, and get ready to set aside a day and a half to do so.

You, sir, are more gullable than the majority of the American public. It is not the government making fools of us "Conservatives", it is the media making a fool out of you. Read an article about this subject from O'Reilly. Now, write a paper that DEFENDS his view. That is how you determine truth--not by bellieving O'Reilly, or believing Larry King/Dan Rather/whomever, but by hearing BOTH SIDES. Willfull ignorance is no defense.

If you do this, I will read something about this from the liberal of your choice and write a paper defending his/her views as well. We will both learn. I might even change my mind. Are you willing to change yours? Or perhaps it is that very fact that will prevent you from doing such a thing? If you can't lose your pride willingly in private, you will lose it publically in the future. Mark my words.

P.S.: On the subject of AT&T, I don't believe they did the right thing by changing the privacy agreement. They were covered under their existing agreement, and lacked the balls to prove it. They are cowards--but only for changing their privacy agreement now.

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Finally, something rational. I want to get bas****s that want to harm us as well, but I don't want to loose that which we hold high, but seem to give away so easily..our freedoms.

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Nice editorial...

You have still never answered the question the way it was asked, and I am quite sure you never will.

There would be no point in posting your personal information in an open forum, and you look like a fool comparing that to sharing information with an agency who's goal is protecting national security.

*edit* decided not to go there.

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Complete agreement with zriding on (Over)rijpe. Thing is, (s)he lacks intellect to understand.

The whole US affair of handing over personal data, to include the blackmail applied on airlines from allied nations to hand over 34 pieces of information including credit card data is beyond incredible....be aware US citizens have forfeited their rights!

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vERY WELL thought out.We have given up so much at such a critical time, that it almost seems like it was meant to be this way. there's no doubt that is is a trool by the way he conves himself, But we are to blame also for letting congress and the pres for signing that damn patriot act. Were all to blame, so now lets try and fix it, even though it might cause us scrafice our creature comforts.

P.S. For you Trools out there, you have sold yourself to a company that could care less if you died tomorrow

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Your tax money goes to protect us. Did you miss that part? Did you sleep through september of 2001? Did you not follow the events over the last few years?

you know I can get information about you, just from your email address.. How long would it take to get your email, trace the source, find out who your ISP is, call the ISP, get your IP address, and pretend to be you. Maybe it takes several calls, but after a few of them, I got everything I need to get any amount of info. Do not discount the ability of social engineering..

And you have a problem with AT&T submitting a list of lousy phone numbers just so they can eliminate THOSE callers and recipients from a Terrorist watch list?

C'mon! do you realize what you are saying?

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Because I no longer trust my government not to abuse power, they infiltrate groups that are antiwar and minorties and even internet chat rooms...ya think for a minute tehy wont or have not used this in a immoral way?? Like their war?

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...and the loss of the Constitutional right of citizens to simply FEEL secure in their personal effects is not loss enough???

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Innocent until proven guilty...

WTF don't you get?

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"what RIGHT, or what LIBERTY you have lost."

From the Bill of Rights,
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be v