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Did the PlayStation 3 Truly Launch on Friday?

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

November 17, 2006, 4:06 PM

Certainly it was an event that merited coverage on a national scale. The top three events on morning TV news programs this morning were the Senate debates over how to proceed in Iraq, the infighting among the new Democrat majority in the House, and the lines outside electronics stores full of people waiting for a chance to purchase a Sony PlayStation 3.

But unlike a big movie premiere, where hundreds stand in line for hours knowing they definitely will get what they came for that night, prospective PS3 customers could not be assured of fulfilling their wishes. Nor, as it turned out, was everyone waiting specifically because they wanted to be the first to play the PS3. As television and newspaper sources - including the San Jose Mercury News - both discovered easily, and to their amazement, some of the first in line were bragging about how much they'd be able to reap after they turn around and hock their newly purchased wares on eBay.

As Dean Takahashi reported on the Mercury News blog, the very "first dudes" in line in front of a special launch distribution at a Sony-owned shopping complex in San Francisco consisted of a group of college students who told him their exclusive purposes for being there was, first, "notoriety" (the chance to be on the news) and to make a killing on the eBay sale of multiple PS3s. Up until that "killing" takes place, they may have time to squeeze in a game or two. (Unlike automobiles, used PS3s don't seem to instantly depreciate.)

In Houston, NBC affiliate KPRC found several more people in line, waiting for what they described as a chance to triple their investment in a few days' time. "It's not that big of a deal to wait when you're talking about making $1,500 in a night," said one.

The first fellow in line outside Sony Plaza in New York City, according to The New York Times this morning, just happened to be a day trader - a person who makes a living buying and selling stocks, and certain other investments, once they've rapidly gained value in the short term. You might think this would be an investment purchase as well. But it's probably lucky for Kaz Hirai, the CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America, and Sir Howard Stringer, CEO of Sony Corp. - whose smiling faces appear blurred against the background of their #1 customer in his Times photograph - that his immediate plans were to go home, shower, and play a game.

By mid-afternoon Friday, auction prices for the PS3 on eBay ranged as high as $3,000, with same-day guaranteed shipping. It wouldn't make any sense for anyone to pay that much and have it shipped next week.

Even the site manager of the newly-rechristened PS3News.com (formerly known as PS2NFO.com) admitted temptation. "I managed to get one of only four pre-orders from my local shop - the coveted 60GB PS3 console!" he writes. "It's VERY tempting to EBay it, however, as I purchased it today the store manager informed me that they didn't know when they would be getting more in - and it could very well be after Christmas."

That Sony will easily sell every PlayStation 3 it produces is a very safe prediction. During the early part of this year, when PS3 was first delayed, another safe prediction was that the company would only produce limited numbers during its initial run. The fact that Xbox 360's initial numbers were unexpectedly limited, and that its launch last year ended up widely perceived as botched, did little or nothing to dampen the present level of enthusiasm for that machine. So although the PS3's launch numbers are even more limited than Microsoft's, even if it goes down in history as a debacle, it probably couldn't derail enthusiasm for the machine next year - by all accounts, a magnificent machine that raises the bar on aesthetics in gaming, and also serves as the centerpiece for high-definition home entertainment.

Yet with the company having said it might only have produced 400,000 units for launch in Japan and North America today, and some analysts fearing that number could actually be as low as 150,000, one wonders if those lines of people that made the front pages of newspapers and the promo beds of newscasts might not disappear after today. At a local Best Buy store in Indianapolis, for example, where no violence took place, a line of 42 people had been assembled for reportedly over 24 hours, to receive guarantee tickets for the purchase of 28 units shipped. Many of those turned away told reporters they'd be back tomorrow.

But that Best Buy probably won't be getting another 28 units tomorrow, or the next day, or maybe even the next week - managers could not say.

In response to our story yesterday on iSuppli's PS3 teardown analysis, a reader who works at a Futureshop retail outlet told us yesterday his store was slated to receive ten units, though there were already 15 customers camped outside his store. "Of course we can't tell customers that," our reader wrote.

"To any of you planning on waiting outside Best Buy, Wal-Mart (if they didn't do preorders), Futureshop, Blockbuster, wherever," he continues, "Yes, I realize you can easily eBay it back for double the value, even triple to some very rich kid, but if there's already 15-20 people waiting there, chances are half of them aren't even getting one. Please, take my advice. Don't bother."

While Sony has publicly predicted it will sell one million PS3s worldwide before March, the company has declined to comment on whether it intends to produce one million units before that time.

Big lines have always been part of the self-promotional mechanism behind a big, new product launch, as toy manufacturer Fisher-Price proved in 1996 when it reaped back well more than it had paid to wrest the lucrative Sesame Street contract from Playskool, by engineering a tremendously successful limited launch of the "Tickle Me, Elmo" doll. Since then, big launch parties and limited supply quantities have regularly been carefully and meticulously arranged in order to drive sales through "viral marketing" - customers exciting one another into making early purchases, for fear the opportunity to meet the Christmas deadline won't come around again.

But Sony's current limitation on PS3 quantities aren't by choice; it would easily have preferred to produce far more - enough for the console to have launched in Europe this week as well as North America and Japan. If campers outside retailers stay huddled outside - even if only a few - for days on end, and sporadic violence continues here and there around the US and Canada, and eBay prices continue to soar into the stratosphere, Sony's inability to supply its customers could remain a news item well into next week, perhaps generating a kind of viral marketing meltdown.

In which case, there could possibly emerge from this episode a sort of launch party burnout, at least for the next few years, on the part of companies hoping to avoid the appearance of trying to replay a failing scenario.

It's at this point that Sony must invest more than its faith, but perhaps more effort, behind the production and distribution of something consumers have shown little of in recent years: faith itself, that the product will eventually be here, and that its ingenuity and capacity for excellence will have been worth the wait.

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 23, 2006 - 2:22 AM

I thought I would post the text from DaveBG's alias over at the Blu_Ray forum.........his alias is.....Dave.

Not too god at hiding his BS posts. The time stamp on the post was 2:30PM on the 17th! About 14 hours after you could actually buy a PS3.

Here is what he posted to someones question about the sales of Blu_Ray vs HD-DVD now that the PS3 is out.

Daves BS post:

"The situation Blu-ray vs HD DVD after PS3 release:

PS3 is out in Japan and USA and here is what is the situation now:

Sells:
Blu-Ray have sold more than 85 000 players in Japan, HD DVD not more than 10 000. Blu-Ray outsells HD DVD 8:1.
Blu-Ray have sold more than 250 000 units in the USA, HD DVD have sold ~40 000. Blu-Ray outsells HD DVD 6:1.
Blu-Ray wins.

Hollywood:
Blu-Ray: 20th Century Fox; Buena Vista Home Entertainment; Electronic Arts; MGM Studios; Paramount Pictures; Sony Pictures Entertainment; The Walt Disney Company; Vivendi Universal Games; Warner Bros.
HD DVD: Buena Vista Home Entertainment; New Line Cinema; Paramount Pictures; Universal Studios; Warner Bros
Blu-Ray wins.

Companys:
Blu-Ray: Apple Computer Corp.; Dell, Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsus***a Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; Walt Disney Pictures and Television
HD DVD: Memory-Tech Corporation; NEC Corporation; Sanyo Electric Co.; Toshiba
Blu-Ray wins.

Players:
Blu-Ray: Samsung, Panasonic, Phillips, SONY (PS3). Coming soon: Pioneer, SONY, Sharp.
HD DVD: Toshiba; RCA (Toshiba). Coming soon: Toshiba
Blu-Ray wins.

Quality
The best quality you can get currently is from the Panasonic Blu-Ray player.
Blu-Ray wins.

Price:
The cheapest way to get Blu-Ray is the PS3: $499.
The cheapest way to get HD DVD is the Toshiba player: $400
Blu-Ray movies sell cheaper than HD DVD movies.
Parity.

Number of movies:
HD DVD has some 10-20 more titles available now.
HD DVD wins.

Predictions:
Most predictions say that Blu-Ray will win. Most companys believe that Blu-Ray will dominate and make more profit.
Blu-Ray wins.

Conclusion:
Blu-Ray is the way! "

Hollywood__ says:

www.thedvdwars.com tells the real story.

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By Jedite

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 10:25 PM

Heres some more sales figures for those really wondering whats going on..

Hey Hollywood_ some ammunition for Dave and Mark, but lol not like u need any..

nexgenwars.com

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 23, 2006 - 2:11 AM

Thanks Jedite,

I do my best damn it!

p.s. The PS3 is a pretty nice gaming console, no problems to report in the short time I have actually spent playing it.

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:19 PM

LOL, nice try, but the numbers are fake..

268,311 PS3's sold. Now we know that the number is closer to 420,000

If those numbers are fake, then so are the others..

It's a cheap stunt by a lame Xbox fanboy, and very sad at that...

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By Jedite

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:35 PM

Lol.. it is common knowledge that the PS3 released less than 400k units to the US. Every single analyst has said so. heres a link.
http://www.joystiq.com/2...-production-goals-again/

Most analyst now believe that the actual numbers are actually half of the promised 400k units to the US.. So that would confirm the numbers supplied by nexgenwars.com

K thanks.

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By Jedite

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 4:48 PM

Oh and incase u dont believe Joystiq, heres the link to the original story straight from the Horses mouth(Bloomberg).
http://www.bloomberg.com...01&sid=acYmICIySKBw

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Nov 21, 2006 - 6:15 PM

I'll explain for the idiots amongst us.

330,000 units to the US
88,000 units to Japan
2,000 units to HK/Taiwan

= 420,000

They are using GLOBAL numbers for the Xbox sales, so it's only fair to use the same global numbers for PS3 and WII sales.

if you want to juggle numbers, Xbox360 has shifted 20,000 units a day, on average since launch, PS3 has shifted 60,000!!!

As anyone knows, statistics can be twisted to show whatever you want...

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By Jedite

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 8:28 PM

You are incorrect there Mark. But hey ill spell it out to you.

From the article by bloomberg.

SooAnn Roberts. She predicts Sony will ship no more than 200,000 units to the U.S. this year.

Savner said in a Nov. 7 report that Sony would miss its target. Gikas said in a Nov. 16 note that he expected 200,000 PlayStation 3s available at the U.S. launch and 400,000 by year- end.

Oh as far as your Taiwan numbers its pretty wrong..
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/15/ps3_allocation/

Taiwan had a 500 unity allocation.

Oh and Hong Kong?
http://www.kotaku.com/ga...well-sort-of-215436.php

I didnt know that 500 + 200 = 2000.. Thats some good math there buddy

oh and btw nexgenwars.com are estimates of worldwide number of consoles SOLD.

So given that fact..

88,000 PS3 sold in japan
700 between HK/Taiwan
= 88,700 consoles.
269644 posted on genwars as the PS3 total worldwide

So it would say acording that source that 180944 were sold in the US. Which doesnt seem so unlikely at all given the fact that Analysts have been saying the past few days that the PS3 launch in the US was probably less than half the projected 400k units.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 23, 2006 - 2:24 AM

Jedite,

You are my new hero.

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By RedBoar

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 3:00 PM

Let's not be naive as to why most of the studios support Blu-Ray Disc. The hardware content protection feature was a great selling point to them. Here's a problem: where are the players?!? Isn't Blu-Ray's inclusion into the PS3 the reason it's so expensive in the first place? You cannot gain product loyalty by cramming it down people's throats. Plus, without that special coating on it, your disc is stratched even with a hairline and it's done. When Blockbuster and Hollywood Video start carrying them for rental, good luck watching one after the first week or so because the coating will be gone, then the disc will be toast.

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By DaveBG

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 9:34 AM

Have fun Hollywood :)

http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1

Most people dont know what is hd dvd or Blu-Ray, they dont care!
Most people trust their favorite brands.
And here comes Blu-Ray: http://www.blu-ray.com/images/bdsupport.gif

Who will win? Say it :)

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 1:56 PM

Linking to another forum? Let alone a post by you? Come on, that's pretty pathetic. Give us some real web sites with facts, not forums with just people's opinions.

"Most people dont know what is hd dvd or Blu-Ray, they dont care!"

If they know what a DVD is, I bet you they could figure out what HD-DVD stands for. But your right about most people not knowing what Blue-Ray is and not caring.

"Who will win? Say it :)"

HD-DVD. I have facts to back that up too (the sales figures from www.thedvdwars.com), unlike some people.

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:01 PM

Here are the facts:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prn...61120/nym001.html?.v=62

Also with the PS3 Blu-Ray outsells hd dvd 10:1 :)

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By dwaterman

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:25 PM

Do you have any factual information to support your claim of a 10:1 sales ratio in favor of Blu-ray?

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:47 PM

Yes. The Playstation3 has 8 times more units sold than the Toshiba. The rest "2" are from Samsung, Panasonic, and the Phillips players :)

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 6:18 PM

You can't really call the PS3 a Blue-Ray Movie player in the aspect that not everybody that buys one will watch movies on it. Everybody that buys the specific Blue-Ray and HD-DVD players will watch movies on them.

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By dwaterman

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:58 PM

...now if you could just get those gamers to buy some movies.

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 1:04 PM

Linking to another fanboy's post is great and all, but the sales figures and not someone's wishful thinking show different.

Actually, the "Dave" who posted that is you. Sorry dude. I'm a little smarter than you think. You sir are getting really desperate, that $1000.00 BD player you bought must be really getting to you. I know you have buyers remorse and the only thing that makes you feel better is posting garbage in other forums and linking to it here, expecting people to read it and take it as fact.

You could have at least picked a different name at the BD forum.

Everyone check out "Dave's" post and some of the other ones at Blu-Ray, it's the same idiot as DaveBG.

You posted this on the 17th, the same day PS3 was released, then edited it for some reason before you linked it here. Please explain how you gut these figures so fast, are you related to Nostradamus?

http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1

I own a BD player, if you want to call it that. And I will never purchase a BD movie. It's a game system, nothing more. By the way, Madden 07 looks pretty damn sweet. I've never seen it on the 360, but I will give an honest comparison.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com

You sir are turning into Mark Gillespie

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:05 PM

http://home.businesswire...0005180&newsLang=en

Have a nice read :)

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 6:26 PM

And what was the point of that article. It just explains what blue-ray is. That doesn't have any blue-ray or hd-dvd sales figures in it.

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By pickchevy

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 7:58 AM

Look....FIGHT!

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 12:51 PM

Theres no FIGHT, Dave has no idea what he is up against when he tries to outsmart someone with a 400 IQ.

I went to high school for 7 years.....I'm no dummy

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 19, 2006 - 11:53 PM

Amazon is completely sold out of HD-DVD add on's for the 360. They're all gone! The news gets worse for Sony, the Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, and Target stores by me are all out of 360's. There was even a story on Fox News about the XBOX drought.

I bet the Blu-Ray camp is not too happy about that since BD movie sales haven't budged since the PS3 release but everybody who is buying the HD-DVD add on are also buying HD-DVD movies.

The PS3 has turned into a complete joke because nobody actually wants one to play games. It's just an eBay money making fiasco.

Sony isnt too happy that nobody is actually covering news stories about the gameplay, just the eBay stories and people waiting in line talking about selling them on eBay.

I did see one story about Ridge Racer, the graphics are very glitchy in certain parts of the game. They showed some screen shots, but they don't know if it's the software or the player. Other people were reporting similar problems with RR on the PS3.

Sorry Mark and Dave, your dreams of the PS3 saving Blu-Ray are probably not going to happen, since the consoles are just changing hands to the next highest bidder. They say the game to console sales ratio is right around 0.94 and the Blu-Ray movie to console ratio is 0.02 which means about 2 out of every 100 PS3's sold left with a BD movie.

I guess you will be getting that HD-DVD player after all. Sony is already considering changing the name of the console to BS3.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 2:28 AM

You sound more miserable and desperate even than before :)

The point is that we can live without Universal and Toshiba but can you live without SONY, Panasonic, Phillips, Sharp, Fox, Disney, ... just everyone from the BD association?

Boycott Universal i say :)

http://www.playb3yond.com/
http://foxbd.com/
http://www.disneybluray.com/
http://forum.blu-ray.com/
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/
http://www.learningcente...s/hpd/bluray/index.html

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:03 AM

As you list BD propaganda sites, I list factual sales data.

The sad part is I am the "proud" owner of a PS3 and BD player. If there is a movie I really like that comes out for both formats, I will always choose the HD-DVD version. I won't replace my existing DVD's with either format.

The PS3 is for games only, but if Cars ever comes out on BD, I will buy it. By that time, Disney should realize they have another Divx fiasco on their hands and offer it on HD-DVD.

Don't you think Disney would have released Cars on BD at the same time as the standard DVD release if they truly thought the format was going to survive? There's a really good reason why they didn't, if you were smart, you would have figured it out by now.

What really sucks is I cant get a 360/HD-DVD combo because all the stores sold out.....let the profiteering on eBay begin.

Dont forget to visit www.thedvdwars.com or www.gamesystemwars.com

You can see real world data about the format wars and console wars. DaveBG and Mark don't like it because it's true and doesn't jive with his opinions.

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By DaveBG

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 5:33 AM

Picking a Winner

If one format wins, a number of experts predict it will be Blu-ray due to its higher number of manufacturing and content partners.

Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler said in a research note on October 5, 2006, that Blu-ray will win out because it has more support, with over 100 manufacturers compared to HD-DVD's 10. According to Schadler, Dell, Apple and Sony will ship PCs with Blu-ray drives. HD-DVD has Toshiba in the PC fold. "This deeper support will translate into a broader assortment of products, more retail shelf space and a bigger marketing budget," he said, adding that the Playstation 3 will also make inroads for Blu-ray.

http://forum.ecoustics.c...sages/34579/290652.html

Its not because you like it or not. Its because your fanboy sites cost zero towards the truth.
BTW i can make better fanboy site :)

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 1:05 PM

Two things, I'm suspecting the "Dave" who posted that in the BD forums is you. It sounds like your kind of unrealistic optimism.

Secondly, Circuit City also said Divx would win out back in 1998. Less than one year later they were issuing rebates to the suckers who bought into their scam.

Come and see me after the holidays, the sales figures will tell the story. As you can see, right now BD isn't even close to HD-DVD in movie sales. You know, the thing that actually generates revenue for either format.

I don't care how many "players" are floating around because of the PS3. I'll have both formats covered anyways. The good news is if BD tanks, I still have a game system.

If HD-DVD tanks *not likely*, all I will have invested is 200 dollars and another game system. I want the flexibility to buy any game or movie I please.

Plus I like to blow money on toys. My wife is about to shoot me. She thinks I got the PS3 as a bonus or some crap. As soon as I can get my grubby hands on the 360 / HD-DVD combo, I'll be all set.

Dave, please produce some hard figures for your BD vs HD-DVD movie sales claims and I will shut my mouth. I know there are a lot of BD players due to PS3, but the HD-DVD add on is sold out too.

And linking to your own post in other forums and presenting it as fact is downright desperate. You should go back and punch that Best Buy employee in the mouth who sold you that already outdated BD hardware. Every time I go in there and ask about HD-DVD, they immediately push me over to the Blu_ray demo, where I tear it apart and ask them questions they dont know the answers to.

The early adopters who blew the big money on a new format are always the biggest fanboys.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com

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By dwaterman

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 11:59 AM

Yeah... analysts are never wrong.

The only thing that matters is which format the consumer buys... the rest is speculation. Right now HD DVD is outselling Blu-ray, but given the fact that most of the PS3's are still bouncing from owner to owner, it has probably had little impact yet. Once the end user gets their hands on the PS3 sales should increase, then we will have an idea.

Oh, before I forget... get a life Dave, right or wrong you seem desperate with your feeble arguments and posting links to promotional sites.

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 1:07 PM

Dont forget, he links to his own posts in other forums, claiming Blu-Ray the winner.......the same day the PS3 was released.

heres the sad, sad link.

http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 6:00 AM

And your using a forum for your place where anyone can post articals?

Just because Blue-Ray has more companies doesn't mean they'll win. It's the customers that chooses.

I'd rather look at the facts like on www.thedvdwars.com which has the sales rank of both formats; HD-DVD is about 4 times higher. It looks like HD-DVD is outselling Blue-Ray, and that's a fact, not just an artical some random guy posted saying what he thinks might happen.

And I think people buy game consoles for... games, not movies. So I think the PS3 might help Blue Ray slightly but not much, that's if it does well.

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 7:32 AM

Its not a forum pal, its what Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler said in a research note on October 5, 2006.

And this is from the HD DVD lair! This is the forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=752721

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 2:07 PM

Could you please tell me what the word is after the http://. Oh look, it says forum. And then when you click on the link, what section is highlighted. Oh great, it says forum again. But then you go on to start reading the post it says this "Posted by Admin on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:19 am:", of course that couldn't mean it's a forum.

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By crkwhr

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 10:01 AM

avs forums is not the lair of hddvd. It is a forum devoted to high end audio video equipement that includes both blueray and hdddvd. It just so happens that more videophiles perfer hddvd to blueray due to the better coding and more affordable equipment.

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By testman

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 6:16 AM

It might help if you spelt "Blu-ray" properly.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 1:08 PM

He types so fast because he can't get his misinformation out there fast enough.

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By rla0001

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 4:16 PM

Anyhone who would camp out for days, bid $5000.00 or would beat the crap out of anyone to get a stupid game box needs to get a real life.

What kind of sicko is so addicted to playing games that they would go through this garbage to be the first when inside of 90 days there will be plenty of these boxes, cheaper and darn near everywhere?

Geeeze! Grow the hell up already!

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By zhengx

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 8:37 PM

You should have noticed that they want to ebay it to making a killing.
That is the point and before they sell it they play.
(Unlike automobiles, used PS3s don't seem to instantly depreciate.)

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 19, 2006 - 3:01 PM

The number of non paying bidders and sellers re-listing their PS3's because they didn't get as much as they want is hilarious.

Everybody who paid the very high prices are going back and bidding on lower priced systems as of yesterday and today as the $3000.00+ premium prices have dropped to about $1200 for the 60GB and 850 or so on the 20GB. The cheapest I have seen is $680 for a 20GB and $870 for the 60GB.

I think about 1 percent of all the systems are actually being opened and played.

The sad part is even if you paid $1000.00 for a PS3, you are still getting it cheaper than a standard BD player at the stores.

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By UniversityofKentucky

edited Nov 19, 2006 - 1:04 PM

I understanding the desire for people to have the latest, greatest, but buying the first offering of a product can be a mistake. When PS2 first came out, many units were returned (speaking as one person who experienced this). I'm guessing there will be many PS3s that will be returned as well. With a little patience, the "improved" version of PS3 will be well worth the wait. Meanwhile Sony is still working with SOME backwards compatibility issues. This is not picking on Sony. PS3 and XBOX 360 both have excellent offerings. Never buy the first year's new of a car, never install the first version of a new OS (unless it's non-production), etc. Let someone else go through the frustrations of returning the first release of PS3. Be patient. By May of next year the kinks will be worked out and you should be much happier with your purchase. As an aside, it will take the software manufacturers at least this long, if not longer, to release products capable of taking advantage of the new technology. So relax and enjoy the holidays!

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By PSXp-ONE

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 3:06 PM

Yes...I agree with you, its too CRAZY!! sales for sure are going crazy on ebay and I will feel very bad for them suckas if they paid that much money for the system and if something happens. Anyway, I want one too but I still have some patience left for the craze lol.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Nov 18, 2006 - 7:31 PM

I just went to Bust Buy (6:00pm) and people are still sitting there in the cold. Crazy people.

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By mshulman

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 7:37 PM

Except now they are waiting for a Wii, right? And I bet it will be a lot easier to get one.

With very little effort, I picked up a 360 on Dec 22nd last year. I just paid attention, stopped at a few stores from time to time and lucked out.

Morepeople should realize they can actually just wait a little over a month and still get it.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 4:47 AM

Yeah, I guess your right. At first I did think they were still waiting for a PS3 to maybe ship the next day.

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By caverkingz

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 7:11 PM

Think about for a secong Sony is offering you a top notch gaming system for $600 and a Blueray dvd player which would cost you $1000 dollars right now just for the dvd player alone. Plus who wants to play Halo anyways when you can play Killzone.

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By mshulman

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 7:38 PM

Top notch? Its equal to the 360, but a year late. Plus 360 has lots of titles for it.

Oh and 360 also has awesome online game play. PS3's online system still needs a lot of work.

But since you appear to be a Sony Fanboy, I'm sure everything above came out all blurry.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Nov 18, 2006 - 7:25 PM

Because I don't buy dvd's as it is and I can save $200 to play basically the same games. Gears of Wars looks awsome.

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By jchandler

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 6:49 PM

Wow I did not expect this kind of reaction to take place for the PS3 Launch.
Josh Chandler
www.techilious.wordpress.com

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:27 PM

More bad news for Sony.

I saw on amazon.com that you can get the Xbox 360 Core for only $100 around the Thanksgiving holiday (Nov. 16 though Nov. 23).

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By mshulman

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 7:40 PM

I think the fact that you can walk in to any store and pick up a 360 is probably even worse for them.

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By bugmenot

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 1:19 AM

only 1000 available

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 18, 2006 - 11:12 AM

The madness is officially over. You can get a PS3 on eBay today between 725 and 1000 dollars.

Still a lot of money to pay but at least it's not $3000.000

I will bet a lot of the suckers from yesterday end up not paying for their auctions. Some idiot paid 6,600.00 dollars last night and another just got one at $725.00 today.

Hilarious! Even better is the people are pating 300 dollars more for the 60G vs. the 20G, you can pick up a 300G hard drive at Tiger Direct this week for 79 dollars if you use the rebate.

I read an anrticle about the PS3, you can slip any SATA hard drive into the console, there is no screwing around like the 360. If people would just do a little reading they could save a lot of time and money.

I predict they will be no more than 700 bucks on eBay by the end of the week. The people who put theirs up right away made out. There are a million "Buy it Now's" at 2000 dolars that nobody is touching.

The supply has caught up, there is 1 auction ending every second and they are back within reasonable prices.

I bet the people from yesterday who paid 3000+ have heap big buyers remorse.

www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com

Oh, and it's official, HD-DVD is outselling Blu_Ray 11 to 1 in movie titles, it's almost the same with the players as well, but more like 10 to 1, which makes sense.

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By sophist_dreams

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 12:27 PM

The madness is over? Any one stupid enough to pay more than the retail price for a game console so they can say the own one, or to play the new games is in serious need of a REAL life. Bunch of a** hats if you ask me.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 1:03 PM

All right you have a point. The extreme madness is over. You are right, most people want one just to show off.

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 11:46 AM

I wish i was F2F with you to show you what is official :)
You are talking crap, thats what is official for now!

If dont like Blu-Ray DONT USE IT! Its that simple!
Just grab a crap addon or Toshiba and SHUT UP!

The Blu-Ray fans have a lot of hardware and software to choose from all big companys worldwide so stop showing of your fanboy waste-sites.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 1:13 PM

Really? A lot of harware? One player and a game system?

A lot of software, 101 titles? Sorry, I'll use my PS3 for Madden 07, not watching Will Farrell movies.

You are right, I'm convinced. The CAPS in your post are showing your frustration. You are also using borderline profanity.

You also continue to call a site that shows real time sales figures a "fanboy" site yet you can't produce one that backs up your claims of BD domination.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 11:28 AM

i just wish there was an internal blu-ray burner available for a pc, they would be great for backups.

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By crkwhr

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 12:39 AM

Yes.. the glitchy samsung player with overly soft video($1,000 for that one)/$1200 for the panasonic one(a good player)/the yet again postponed sony($1000) one till the 24th of december? and the postponed pioneer($1500) one till spring. Yes lots of blueray hardware to choose from. And downright affordable to for early adoptors. Along with superior video, oh wait thats hddvd.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:16 PM

"If dont like Blu-Ray DONT USE IT!"

It looks like that's what everyone is doing. I don't blame them, since Blue-Ray players cost about double the price of the HD-DVD. I'd rather spend that money on the movies myself.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 12:11 PM

It's official.

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By Staff_Tech01

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 9:38 AM

This is crazy. It is a game!!! I cannot believe that it has gone this far. But the worst story I heard was on Yahoo news about a women who was 5 months pregnant standing in line for her husband who, by the way was not there with her.

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By khetos

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 12:34 PM

man u got no idea if she was waiting to buy it as a christmas gift, lol, or if he told her to wait, or if he was even able to walk or stand there with her. dont assume u make urself look weak.

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By DaveBG

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 3:49 AM

"By mid-afternoon Friday, auction prices for the PS3 on eBay ranged as high as $3,000, with same-day guaranteed shipping."

I heard $9000 :D

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By Pixelsmack

edited Nov 18, 2006 - 12:38 AM

I would spend $3000 on Scotch and "women" in Las Vegas. Not on some silly toy.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 11:13 AM

Here here, when do we go? I just have to let my wife know.

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By phenomnaruto

posted Nov 17, 2006 - 11:30 PM

why do you guys hate sony?

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By crkwhr

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 12:43 AM

I dont dislike sony. I dislike the fact they are trying to foce their high definiton movie format on us. The hddvd camp has been willing to talk and to try to get a unified format. But sony has refused and forced several manufactures (LG and Samsung) from building dual use hddvd/blueray players which they both announced 4+ months ago. Now just imagine the superior storage of the blueray disc with the superior video codec of the hddvd. That would be nice. But alas sony tries betamax2.

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By mshulman

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 7:44 PM

I think many people probably don't hate them.

I myself have nothing against them - I just hate their attempt at the next gen console. PS3 is so comparable to 360 and a year late to the market that its embarrasing. At least the Xbox had some decent improvements over PS2, but PS3 really doesn't offer much more.

I am disappointed in Sony. If they actually focused on a kick a** gaming system and not a bluray trojan horse, then maybe they could have had some innovation that others might want to copy. Instead, they copied everything else thats already been done.

Competition is good and I'm upset at Sony for not providing decent competition. And they are very arrogant.

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By computershack

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 6:42 AM

It's not Sony so much as all the sodding Fanboys.

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By bsf

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:04 AM

Because they are arrogant, make sucky products.

Yet, their market has been not bad, so they still make a lot of money.
It's like having a Microsoft, except who's even more arrogant.

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 11:15 AM

Sony makes one good product. Camcorders. They seem to take any abuse I can dish out and keep working perfectly.

Other than that, I really can't stand them. All of my PS1's and 2's have crapped out eventully.

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By khetos

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 12:40 PM

no offence, but i have had a ps1 and ps2, beaten to death with many many games, never a dvd tho, and never an issue, sept with a gamshark cd v1.3, wich was to this day the only disc read error i have ever seen on mine, or any of my friends, could have been luck, could have been how well it was kept who knows, could have been the discs u were using.

i also have a sony projection tv, was cheaper, and out perforums and has way more hookups for any input/output then any tvs for the same price range i have seen since i bought my tv in febuary.

but i can say the same for other companys, its personal preference, and anyone can like sometihng no one else does, but theres also alot of ppl out there that like things because they are told to.

so im going to stick with what tickles my fancy, and thats that :P

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 1:22 PM

I'm telling you, my PS1's and PS2 consoles never got dropped, knocked over, anything. I take very good care of my gear.

There were so many consoles taking a crap at one point and everybody seemed to have the same problems. You are extremely lucky if your first gen PS1 or PS2 are still working.

I don't know a lot about Sony TV's, their CRT's were always nice, but expensive. You get what you pay for with TV's.

Their car audio, is absolutely horrible Best Buy garbage. Not only does it sound bad because they are too lazy to make products for the American market, it's just pathetic when you crack their amplifiers open and look inside.

They produce all of their car audio for Japanese music, which doesn't contain the obnoxious bass our music does, and re badge it with English text to pawn off over here as "high end" car audio.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:21 PM

Yeah, there camcorders are pretty good. But I normally like Panasonics better. There cheaper and seem to have decent features too. My dad had his for over 15 years and it's still alive and kicking. It was about a $1,500 one though too. It was one that profetionals would have used... like reporters on the News channel would have.

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By ds0934

edited Nov 17, 2006 - 10:32 PM

My office is next to a Wal-Mart and down the street from a Best Buy. It was sad watching those idiots laying around like Grateful Dead-head fans (only in drab clothing) in the rain and wind (we had a major storm blow through) and wipe out some of their tents. The funniest was a guy who bought his and then got robbed in the parking lot heading back to his van.

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By Jordanr05

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:22 AM

Yeah that's real hilarious. You must be American.

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By Sexbarril

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 6:20 AM

Of course, it has yet to launch in EU...the least significant of markets :p.

Latz, SB

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By computershack

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 6:43 AM

I guess a market with more than twice the number of Merkins and also where the best games software houses are is insignificant.

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By dkratter

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 10:44 AM

"more than twice the number of Merkins"

Actually, no.

EU: 450 million
US: 300 million

The EU population is older than the US population, so the US is a better market for a gaming console.

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By Das mod

posted Nov 17, 2006 - 9:57 PM

profit from ebay anyone ???

http://www.youtube.com/v/4CTy7Nx0oPI

these 2 guys sure know how .... lol

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By Hollywood__

edited Nov 17, 2006 - 9:35 PM

I heard the same thing, Best Buy was giving coupons to the unlucky people, which was everybody after number 20, for XBOX360 discounts, free games etc....

They cleaned up on 360 sales this weekend, the aisle is empty and the need to re-order.

By the way, where's Gillespie and DaveBG?

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By Mark Gillespie

edited Nov 18, 2006 - 1:48 PM

Only your word on that, over here, nobody is buying XBox360, and waiting for PS3, the shelves are full...

You seem to have twisted the story, as the reports I read in the paper about giving out the discounted XBox360+game coupon, nobody in line wanted one!!!

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By Hollywood__

posted Nov 20, 2006 - 1:24 PM

"Only your word on that, over here, nobody is buying XBox360, and waiting for PS3, the shelves are full..."

Where do you live? Fantasyland?

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By mshulman

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 7:48 PM

Could that be because PS3 hasn't launched there yet?

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By khetos

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 12:51 PM

lol ok, if your not there then how do you know thats not true?

plz dont judge lol.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 5:29 PM

At least that what you wish. To bad you can't prove that.

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By The Man

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 8:22 AM

ebay

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By I'm Batman

edited Nov 17, 2006 - 9:15 PM

OK wow... I just got off the phone with a co-worker and here's the stats for our store's PS3 launch:

PS3's sold: 10
Xbox 360's sold: 75...!!!!!!!!!

75! That's amazing... That's just pure craziness.

We had a fresh stock, I believe of a few hundred xbox 360 holiday bundles on our online store... I just checked 2 hours ago and we were already out of stock.

Good lord!

And people won't stop calling about the bloody Wii! Gah!

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By khetos

posted Nov 19, 2006 - 12:56 PM

thats a big gash in the ps3 market share lol, meaning if say only 1/3 of the ppl that get xbox 360s, are happy with them and decide that they dont want a ps3 anymore, they have lost a bigger market share then they have sold in the end.

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By computershack

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 6:45 AM

Not surprising. I expect those waiting for PS3 who didn't get one decided to get a XBox360 instead as they were available and said punter wanted Nextgen for Xmas, realising that it'll probably be late 2007 before they can get a PS3.

As they already had twice the amount of $$$ in their greasy palms that they needed to buy a 360, it would have been a no brainer.

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By Mark Gillespie

posted Nov 18, 2006 - 1:49 PM

Don't think so, they have had all year to get a XBox360, if they wanted one. Just because they don't get a launch PS3, anyone buys 2nd best, when new stock are being flown in, in 2 weeks is crazy..

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By kashin

edited Nov 19, 2006 - 2:09 AM

Two weeks you say? Dream on. There will be a severe shortage of the console for many, many months to come. Do you honestly believe the Americas and Japan will be getting plenty more of them, considering they can't even launch the console at all in Europe and Australia?

People may have had all year to buy a 360, but many were hoping to grab PS3 at launch, and of course had no such luck. The main reason people were tripping over each other trying to get one is because the PS3 was the most hyped up (and delayed) console in history. I'm sure if I developed some new high tech turd and kept making big announcement about it, while delaying it for months on end, there would be hundreds of people lining up to buy one once it was released.

Just because a small percentage of hardcore Sony fans are willing to wait YET ANOTHER YEAR for wide availability, doesn't mean the majority of those who wanted a PS3 will wait too. Once the Sony zealots have their fill and the holidays are over, expect sales of the console to drop drastically. Oh wait, that would only be a realistic prediction if they actually had consoles to sell.

Most people are not hardcore Sony fans and already realized that 95% of the games coming out for the next generation consoles will be on both the PS3 and 360. It's a no brainer. Why wait for a PS3 when you can buy a cheaper console now and get all the same games? Not everyone's willing to swallow all the BS Sony is shoving down our throats. The days when Sony had many highly desirable exclusive titles are long gone. Even their (un)official mascot, Crash Bandicoot has been whoring itself on every console.

PS. - Read the latest Maddox for a good laugh. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/

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