Installed FF 3.5 @ home on my Windows 7, XP and Mac OS X computer. Nice work indeed. Congrats Mozilla! Is it the fastest browser out there? Don't think so anymore. But definitely my favorite browser ;-)

I agree with starup, but Windows 7 may help that too. Once its up and running, it's noticeably faster on many sites I use every day. Maybe 3.6 can focus on launch (along with win 7 which launches apps faster, we may have a complete winner).

Keep up the good work though, its appreciated!

3.5 takes 20 seconds to load... takes 15 seconds to load in safe mode... . once it finally loads it is fast... however, I am not pleased with the start up time...

Oh yes! 3.5 is 32 milliseconds faster and I see the difference! Idiots!!

Chrome is like a bike with training wheels.

Enjoy your Chrome though.

HTML5 is gonna take no less than 5 years to be supported in IE (by then probably HTML6), and even that only after the Euros force MS to do so. It'll then take 3-5 years for the major web sites to maximize use of HTML5/6. I'd stick with Flash for now...

Very interesting and informative article for the Mozilla users.

Useless until RealPlayer fixes their downloader to work with it.

No-one uses RealPlayer.

You would be surprised at how many people still use RealPlayer. It has improved dramatically and I actually prefer it over itunes and zune.

My deepest condolences... ;)

Troll successful!

No, I will not be surprised at how many ppl use Real player. I'd wager to say between 3 and 4 total in the USA. hehehehe c'mon, I see ppl's desktops and laptops all day... NOBODY uses that ancient crap.

RealPlayer?!

SnoBrdr, are you by chance still using a Skypager'?

You will not be surprised at how few people use Real Player.

Honestly not seeing any real difference from 3.0.11, other than I had to download a dev-build of TMP and someone else's version of Opendownload.

Maybe the google homepage loads a *bit* faster... Maybe I just want to think it does... *shrug*

Still have to use IE for one of our client's pages due to Firefox's inability to tab through the fields properly. While I am certain it's a site issue and not a browser issue, it really doesn't matter since the end-result is that we end up using a different browser than Firefox for that site. (FWIW, Chrome and Opera won't even properly log in to that site...)

i'd think a better benchmark might be a more intense javascript site like espn.com or cnn.com

Don't know about you, but my gmail is tons faster in 3.5 vs. 3.0.11

Everything feels faster to me. Checked out some of the HTML 5 demos and wow, can't wait to see what people do with that. HTML 5 is going to revolutionize web development

fatty:

Not being a jerk, but really?

How soon?

The majority of users are still clinging to IE6, afaik. No sane dev is going to code to any of the HTML 5 specs until the majority of browsers support it and the majority of users are using those browsers....right?

Now, I can see it in certain areas. Obviously Apple sites will support it from safari and firefox sites will support it... but revolutionize the *entire* web? Not any time soon, IMO...

Hardly the end all and be all of browsers. I use a lot of Stardock products on my system and I can't install themes directly from Firefox. I'm just not that impressed. It definitely comes off my system.

Toolie and I don't agree all that often, but, in this case I think his analysis is dead on.

I suppose on your extra fast, supremely deluxe machine, it might just be a bit faster, but for my Apple PowerBook I bought in 2005, it's a huge difference. Though it likely wouldn't test that well, it feels as fast as it does on Windows.

@PC_Tool: of course the entire web is not going to change overnight. To assume so would be asinine. Most of the major features of HTML 5, including the Worker Threads, Canvas and Video tags are supported by every browser except, drum roll.....Microsoft's IE.

Those two tags alone are going to really change the way people look at browsers and realize Microsoft's original fears of Netscape. When the HTML 5 version of Google Docs shows up...it will be very clear.

The browser truly is a platform in HTML 5. Companies who embrace true standards, like Google and Apple, are working on the next generation of web applications and architectures while Microsoft is feverishly working on a proprietary internet built on top of Silverturd.

It all comes back to the proprietary, patent encumbered, Silverturd platform.

"Most of the major features of HTML 5, including the Worker Threads, Canvas and Video tags are supported by every browser except, drum roll.....Microsoft's IE.

Those two tags alone are going to really change the way people look at browsers and realize Microsoft's original fears of Netscape. When the HTML 5 version of Google Docs shows up...it will be very clear."

Cool. Still won't amount to much if the millions of throwback IE users don't get up to speed (IE, Microsoft makes IE "HTML 5" compliant).

So far so good. A decent reply.

"It all comes back to the proprietary, patent encumbered, Silverturd platform."

...and we're back to trolling...

Couldn't make just one post without it, eh? ;)

It's useless until RealPlayer fixes their downloader to work with it.

What is a troll? Silverturd is not proprietary? It is not patent encumbered? It is not Microsoft's strategy for extending their desktop monopoly onto the web? Please tell me what is a troll?

Proprietary and patented are *not* by definition Bad Things. No matter how badly you seem to want them to be. Apple? Mac OSX? Huh...you seem to like *those* just fine....

*Anyone* can develop for Silverlight. Anyone can install it. There's even a Linux implementation. Tell me how this is Bad....

Oh, and of course your "immature for a 3-year-old" fascination with feces isn't helping you at all...

People really use realplayer anymore? I thought that went the way of the typewriter:)

Fantasy: Silverturd is cross platform
Fact: Microsoft does not develop a cross platform SDK or Runtime for Silverturd. You must use Windows to develop Silverturd. There is no Microsoft Silverturd runtime for GNU/Linux

Fantasy: Microsoft supports GNU/Linux Silverturd development
Fact: Microsoft does not support GNU/Linux Silverturd development. remember, Microsoft thinks the GPL is "cancer". Only a matter of time until the Moonlight and Mono idiots get sued. See Microsoft's***ory for supporting evidence.

I see Microsoft's marketing people have you believing though. Good thing, the rest of the world see's through it.

"There is no Microsoft Silverturd runtime for GNU/Linux"

Google Moonlight. I never said Microsoft created the port.

Reality: fatty can't argue this at all rationally because he's so incredibly, firmly planted in anti-MS BS.

I notice you didn't have any response for Apple's Patents. Amusing.

...and you're still referring to it as "silverturd". Yeah, that makes you look *real* mature.

SSDD...but amazingly you were lucid for about half a post, two or three up there.

If Microsoft does not make it, it really is not all that cross platform, now is it? Apple has patents on Silverturd? that is news to me.

*laughing*

You can't be this stupid. You just can't.

Cross-platform = Usable on more than one platform. It is usable in Windows, OS X and Linux. Who made the ports makes *zero* difference.

You hate it because it is patent encumbered. Apple has *many* patents, from the OS, to the software, to the iPod and iPhone. Shouldn't you hate them to?

...of course not. Hypocrisy is your middle name...

As reported in Whats New/Next/Never/Whatever: http://www.betanews.com/...orism-slowly/1246016095

Look for "San Jose Mercury-News"

The Google homepage probably won't load much faster. You'll notice a turbocharger on a 12-second car a lot more than on a 5-second one. C'mon Tool, you can do better than that. You're respected for being a dissident voice, find a better comparison.

Why?

Seriously. It's an honest question.

I use Firefox *daily*. I have about 6 sites that I visit regularly throughout the day. How on Earth does it's load times on some *other* page affect me in the slightest? Why would I care?

I don't.

I have not noticed any significant changes to *any* of the functionality I use regularly, or in speed...which IMO only re-enforces my opinion that they should have concentrated *more* on performance and stability and on extending the add-on functionality than on additional features.

*shrug*

Not a problem. The *second* there is a comparable "ad-block" and a session management add-on for Chrome....I am there. Chrome is what Firefox (phoenix) started out being, and where it should have stayed.

If fatty insists on using Silverturd instead of Silverlight, how about we start calling him fattyturd?

Have to call a spade a spade...silverturd is well, a turd, hence, Silverturd

It makes a huge difference. Silverturd is a proprietary, non-standard technology. if the vendor who makes it does not support cross platform development/runtime, it is not cross platform. Classic Microsoft blurring of lines.

Sure, they have a second class citizen Mac runtime which either currently lags, or will lag in the future the Windows version. Look at Microsoft's***ory.

What IDE's can i use to develop Silverturd on Mac? How do i deploy a Silvertud site on OSX Server or Solaris or Linux...you know, real server OSes?

I know you really want to go way off topic, like you always do when you look stupid, but come on, just one time stay on topic?

"What IDE's can i use to develop Silverturd on Mac?"

Eclipse4SL. It's even Open Source (meaning anyone can port it to Linux)

"How do i deploy a Silvertud site on OSX Server or Solaris or Linux...you know, real server OSes?"

This is going in my webslices. Quiter possibly the dumbest comment I've ever seen here...and that's saying a lot. Obviously, you don't even know what Silverlight is (not that that would stop you from filling topic after topic with BS about it)... Silverlight is a client-side plugin, completely server-independent. Apache hosts silverlight content *just fine*. In fact, Silverlight is not in any way Windows Server Dependent (unless you include asp.net programming or some such...in which case...duh?).

You really don't know a damned thing about silverlight, do you? Ya know, that would actually *stop* most people from running their ignorant mouths off about it..but not you. Aw hells no. You will stop at *nothing* to prove to the world what a complete and total moron you are. Gotta love it.

"I know you really want to go way off topic, like you always do when you look stupid, but come on, just one time stay on topic?"

*laughing*

This...coming from the guy who can't discuss anything Microsoft-related without launching into some retarded Apple fanboy rant. How cute...

@fatty:

Also.. Funny how your beloved Apple is stalling the HTML 5 video spec....why? Because they *refuse* to use the OSS Ogg Theora codec in favor of the, you guessed it, patent encumbered, proprietary H.264 codec.

Comments? Queries? Retarded backpedaling and fanboy excuses?

If you hate the new "tab tearing" feature and trigger it by accident, you can turn it off with a setting in this extension: http://www.howtogeek.com...3.5-tab-tearing-edition/

It is really amusing how they keep talking about some "mystery build" that was faster when they just accidentally used some random 3.6 nightly. Unpolished, experimental nightly code with bugs will often be faster than a final release- it is easy to make a spreadsheet calculate SUPER FAST if you don't care about results being accurate.

yeah RC3 is the exact same bit for bit as Final. It is amusing that BN will run more tests though and come up with different bench numbers.

I'd say that they're not exactly the same, since the nightly builds continued to change until the release of 3.5. Perhaps, you compared both bit-for-bit?

I don't recall saying nightly build, I said RC3.

menting, Firefox 3.5 RC3 is Firefox 3.5 Final. PC_Tool, i read it some where that you can upgrade from 3.0.11 to 3.5 without any problems.

thanks. that's what i suspected and wanted confirmation from someone else.

...but he asked if it would "automatically" update to the newer final version. That is something that I cannot verify however, as I haven't used 3.0.x in quite a few months.

hmm..anyone know if the build date for 3.5 is still 20090624? that's what it's showing up for me, which is the same date as the RC3

The 3.5 final is identical to RC3...same build date, same MD5.

Will the current build (3.0.11) automatically download and "update"* to this new version?

It should automatically notify you, but it won't force the update on you.

wow=) I love it thanks Firefox its awsome.....