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HD DVD cancels CES press conference after Warner's snub

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

January 4, 2008, 11:40 PM

In a shocking response to news today that Warner Bros. would make its high-definition movie releases only available on Blu-ray, the HD DVD Promotional Group has canceled its Sunday press conference at CES, and its meetings with the press.

The HD DVD Promotional Group, alongside Toshiba and Microsoft, had planned a cocktail party and press conference to tout the success and improvements in both the HD DVD format and hardware players, which saw heavy sales during the holidays thanks to falling prices.

But the party was cut short by Warner's surprise news that it wouldn't be taking part. Apparently, the studio did not give HD DVD advance notice of its decision to go Blu-ray only, and recently reassured the public of its continued support for both formats after rumors of an exclusivity deal began to surface.

Believe it or not, Warner actually played a role in the development of HD DVD and had endorsed the format from the beginning. It's also a member of the DVD Forum, from where HD DVD was borne. While it's not clear what exactly led the studio to change its mind, there is much speculation that Sony offered Warner a large incentive.

"Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause," the HD DVD Promotional Group said in an e-mail to the press Friday evening.

"We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability -- a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format," the e-mail continued.

Toshiba, meanwhile, issued a press release of its own Friday night, which pulled no punches in expressing the company's disapproval of Warner's decision. Although, it's not clear whether Toshiba has any potential recourse against Warner, aside from hinting the studio may have violated contractual agreements.

"Toshiba is quite surprised by Warner Bros.' decision to abandon HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray, despite the fact that there are various contracts in place between our companies concerning the support of HD DVD. As central members of the DVD Forum, we have long maintained a close partnership with Warner Bros. We worked closely together to help standardize the first-generation DVD format as well as to define and shape HD DVD as its next-generation successor," the release stated.

"We were particularly disappointed that this decision was made in spite of the significant momentum HD DVD has gained in the US market as well as other regions in 2007. HD DVD players and PCs have outsold Blu-ray in the US market in 2007."

The HD DVD Promotional Group is expected to make further announcements as CES gets underway Monday. HD DVD still has exclusive backing from both Paramount and Universal, which means it's unlikely the so-called high-def "format war" will be over anytime soon, even with Warner changing allegiances.

HD DVD will continue to have a presence on the CES show floor, and BetaNews will be on top of all new announcements.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 9:20 AM

2 things:

1: The site now looks horrible. Please tell me this is temporary.

2: Those of you bickering about 'incentive' are probably the same people who were bickering about the exact same thing with the Universal Announcement, with merely the roles reversed. The whole thread smacks of hypocrisy.

I know I said only two things, but on a final note:

HD DVD/Blu Ray....

{walter}
I don't give a damn...
{/walter}

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By ingram091

edited Jan 8, 2008 - 5:34 PM

I have to say on this PC_Tool and I finds solidarity. this CES Skin that has now taken over even the archives which at least was readable till today, Is for the birds. While I appreciate the need for a face lift. This is an equivalent of a Michel Jackson nose job... this is just a horrible experience now. I can see user flocking elsewhere in droves if this is the final choice... I mean look at teh comments now. 3 or 4 per, instead of the normal 100 or so.

TRUE. a lot of that is sometimes flame, But still it shows how people used to like to be here, as opposed to how it is now. its like pulling teeth to find what you want, and painful to read in this White wash format.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:07 AM

1. It's a change--I never like it when people change stuff, but betanews has needed a facelift for quite some time and I'll get used to it after a while. The look itself definately appears more professional IMO.

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By wicketr

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 11:28 AM

For one the width doesn't fit for me. Now matter how I stretch my browser, it's displaying the page at about 120% of what's available. And like the previous person said, there are no break points between the columns. There's just a bunch of text that isn't separated enough.

Secondly, it appears as if some options are missing on the new version. Don't take features away in an "upgrade".

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:30 AM

Meh... It looked contained earlier. Now there's nothing separating one section from the other...just white space.

My own opinion, I know, but... Gah...

Like i said, I hope it's temporary.

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By SGD

edited Jan 7, 2008 - 8:53 AM

So it looks like Warner has lied about not taking money. They lied 500 million worth.

http://formatwarcentral....00-million-from-the-bda/

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 3:44 PM

Since when has a blog been the definitive source?

Any ond old idiot can setup a fly by night blog site and spin whatever they want under the guise of news, look at Betanews for proof.

Come back when NewYork Times or Rueiters report it..

Until then, it's just sour grapes...

PS, these seem rather relevent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7S_Nwb8fU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE_dONJIWU

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 3:25 PM

I've said it before...

Considering their public statement (Nov. 5) that they had absolutely no plans to go exclusive to either format, their claims of no money are a little bit less than credible.

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By pitdingo2

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 12:58 PM

well if formatwarcentral.com says it, it must be true. nevermind that Warner says no money changed hands.

In other news, humans never landed on the moon.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:03 AM

$500 million! Danggit, Sony's really out on a limb aren't they? Frankly so is Warner.

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By ingram091

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 6:33 AM

personally I would not shed a tear if both HD formats quietly dies and never saw another disc pressed. Nothing wrong with the accepted and proven DVD format, its the industry that wants to go to a HD format so they can lock up the technology so tight that every 6 months you'll be relicensing your purchases... If someone needs more realism, go and find yourself a life.

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By wicketr

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 11:30 AM

Nothing is wrong if you have a regular tv. But if you have an HD tv, then the newer formats are obviously better and put DVD to shame. The picture quality isn't even close.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:00 AM

Zing!

Ouch.

Truer words...

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Jan 7, 2008 - 12:44 AM

I still say Warner Brothers made a gargantuan mistake, EVEN IF BLU-RAY WINS THE FORMAT WAR. There are too many people buying HD-DVD right now, and switching at this moment was just ill-timed...although frankly no time is good for this.

It's no secret that even before the rootkit debacle I've been saying that Sony is really screwing things up in the market. Their quality used to be so robust, but in the past 10 years everything has been "new and improved" and at the same time everything I've purchased from them has broken (except their pre-1996 stuff). I don't recall any major change in leadership at that time, but honestly I didn't keep up back then as well as I do now either. Even their newer TV's are breaking left and right (I'm speaking generally, as I'm sure there are some thousands of TV's that do work fine for every one-hundred thousand sold).

I wouldn't trust their Blu-Ray players to stand the test of time. I'm fet up with their premium prices when their stuff breaks just as much as the next vendor. I expect Sony stuff to be far BETTER than others because of their brand name and prices, but instead they seem to be the same or worse because they got in the same damned trap every great company has fallen into--the "me want more money this year" trap. They don't give a damn about the big picture in ten years because they all know that they'll have pockets of gold and retire before then. They care more about money than the company.

I suppose there's maybe a dozen companies on the planet that have not yet fallen into this trap, so sony shouldn't piss me off any more than the others should, but it just sucks that they screwed it all up right when I decided to really stock up on their brand.

Not one product that I have purchased from them since 1995 still works. I still use the CD Boombox I bought in 1994 from them daily, but the four others me or my family bought in the 1996-2001 period (roughly) all broke.

I'm using a sony vaio at work that was purchased in 2005 and I've never ever seen a laptop that had so many damned heat problems. Even Alienware would work after you switched a few levers in the bios, but sony forces you to use those 42 processes that actually control the hardware for you. Hardware control is a joke for them, yet reliable software for regulating the hardware is foreign. Try their software updates, sure, after your cpu fries. WHY DO I HAVE TO HAVE SOFTWARE JUST SO MY FANS CAN PREVENT THE CPU FROM DESTROYING ITSELF? Shouldn't the hardware do that?

*Sigh*...God forbid you get a virus--all your fans would run full speed (not because of the viruses running the cpu 100% but because the viruses would "break" the sony software) because even viruses seize up when they encounter sony software. (well--that's just one case. One of our client's PC's had an issue where the proprietary sony software had prevented the virus from infecting certain files because sony modified a windows system file and the virus didn't know how to infect it. It freaked the whole system out and the virus hadn't even "infected" it yet.)

Every peice of sony equipment I encounter has "weird sony problems" and it's always a problem that nobody else has ever heard of except with sony equipment. Why can't they just make things work like they used to? Does it hurt their future sales that badley when their stuff works?

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 7:03 PM

Paramount hint at moving to Blu-ray..

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/...-bcf9-0000779fd2ac.html

"It was also unclear yesterday whether the other studios backing HD-DVD would change sides, although it is understood Paramount has reserved the right to switch its backing to Blu-ray."

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By Adrian79

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:24 PM

I love my PS3, downloading blu-ray files is fun quick and easy!

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By siryak

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 6:52 PM

Huh...

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:25 PM

What is your point?

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:46 PM

what!?

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By eriqcook

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:01 PM

The (near) future of video is digital downloads. Blu-ray and HD-DVD will be short-lived. The physical media format will begin to die in 5 years.

Look at Cable and Satellite OnDemand services, and XBox Live. These are just the beginning. As prices for video downloads become more competitive, the convenience of downloading any movie to your computer and/or TV box in 20 minutes compared to going to a store will overshadow buying physical discs.

I believe HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be the last of its kind.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:26 PM

Please there is no infrastructure in place for teh bandwidth needed for HD streaming movies. Downloading yes but not very legal.

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By The-One

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:45 PM

Wrong again.

http://www.betanews.com/...aming_movies/1199651194

http://newscenter.verizo...ideo-on-demand-now.html

And there are more. The infrastructure is in place. The future is today....streaming HD for the masses is far closer than you realize young padawan :)

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:21 PM

There's one small problem though... the masses aren't ready.

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By eriqcook

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:44 PM

The masses will be ready when we start seeing cable/satellite/tivo boxes and other forms of media players coming standard with terabytes of storage and available for less than $500. I see this happening in under 5 years.

You can buy a 1 terabyte drive for $700 today. Think about what you'll have in 5 more years for the same amount of $. In my opinion, STORAGE is the 2nd of the two (bandwidth/delivery being 1) most important component to digital video downloads.

As far as available bandwidth for the AVERAGE consumer, I'll bet that in 5 years, between cable and DSL services, we'll have speeds far greater than current 10MB/sec. speeds.

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By Niro

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:54 AM

You can buy a TB for less then $400 today....

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:57 PM

not 1080p...not uncompressed audio...not including extras...blah blah blah...suck it up...a sony product won the war...enjoy it

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By eriqcook

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:52 PM

I could care less about Sony winning a "war" here. I'm talking about common sense direction of things ahead. We'll have greater bandwidth and storage options available in 5 more years easily. The HD movies I download from XBox Live are the same quality of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray movies.

And trust me, companies will find ways to compress HD content (the same quality of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD discs) over the Internet sooner than you think.

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By The-One

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 7:50 PM

My TV isn't 1080p, so I don't care about that. If your TV can't upconvert then it sucks anyways. 720p will look way better than 480p on any large TV.

People listen to American Music and TV all the time. That crap is so compressed anyways, dynamics aren't even something that matters if you could reproduce it exactly. Movies aren;t that much better. Once they are mastered for DVD, they are way more compressed and the dynamics are gone. You need to learn a lot before saying stupid stuff.

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By siryak

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:03 PM

1080p IMO is overrated. I would take a quality 720p set over a so so 1080p set ANY day.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 1:30 PM

Word.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 7:25 PM

This I agree with cable and anything else has a long way to go to even come close to that.

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:09 PM

haha!...remind me when the average consumer has enough storage space for movies at 25GB's a pop....or remind me when the average consumer has an internet service that won't take a week to download said films...remind me when the movie studios figure out what to do with the server issues involved with everyone in the world downloading from them....remind me when you figure out a way to transport said films to and from your house (ever try to buy a 25+GB flash drive?)

you think Sony BD's might have DRM issues....i can only IMAGINE what M$ would have in plan for some sort of DRM with digital downloads...

anyone who thinks a total digital distribution is at all a possibility in the neat future is CRAZY...the world isn;t ready for it...we don;t have the capabilities...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 7:13 AM

Xbox Live HD movies are around 2gb.

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By eriqcook

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:05 PM

The point I'm making is that in 5 years a new and COMMON method of buying movies will be via digital downloads. Trust me, with consumers legally buying movies from major motion picture studios through just XBox Live today, think of how that trend will grow much more in 5 more years. Just about all major motion pictures studios CURRENTLY offer their movies for download (and in HD format). I'm not basing everything on XBox Live but it's a trend that will only get better.

I'm not saying that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will completely die in 5 years, but in 5 years a lot more consumers will WANT to download movies instead of worrying about going out and buying them all the time.

With the price of storage these days (you can buy a 1TB drive for $700 today) think of what consumers will have available for the same amount of money in 5 more years. And cable/DSL providers will only increase their bandwidth/speed capabilities more in 5 more years as well.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:42 PM

Why do you keep going on about this "25 GB" movie size? If anyone is offering digital downloads using MPEG-2 compression, they need to be flogged... repeatedly.

A typical 2-hour movie encoded with H.264 / VC-1 at half the bitrate would yield half the file size (11-12 GB, on the average). Still large, but not nearly as large as it could have been had the typical space-wasting methods of Blu-ray authoring been used.

That's what more efficient codecs are for.

Also, many people have been considering and implementing torrent-based distribution solutions for quite some time, eliminating the bottleneck at the server end, also lowering bandwidth costs for the content provider. It's about time it started gaining popularity for legitimate purposes.

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By The-One

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:47 PM

See my previous post. You can deny reality, but most companies are finding ways to do this.

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By Bladeforce

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:59 PM

JUST BUY A HD MULTIMEDIA PLAYER THAT PLAYS HD (http://popcornhour.com/ 720 or 1080) MKV FILES. FORGET THIS HD WAR IT'S OLD!! THE WAY TO GO IS STREAMING THEN PLAYING FROM HARD DRIVES!! BLUE RAY IS SO OLD!!!

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By SGD

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:55 AM

Thanks that is just what I am looking for. I have a bunch of those files and this is the best option instead of a HTPC for me. Do you have one and what do you think of it if you do?

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 3:07 PM

yeah...remind me when the average person has the bandwidth to stream HD media...or when they have enough hard drive space to store it...or when you can get uncompressed 1080p video and uncompressed audio by streaming or off the net....let me know ok?

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By SGD

edited Jan 7, 2008 - 10:56 AM

These points I do agree with you, however you do not need uncompressed audio to have it be HD. Uncompressed is just disk space waster. There is no difference from that and lossless audio anyway.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:13 PM

The put it on a BDR disc.. LOL...

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:44 PM

...and then read it with what?

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By alphatrigon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:35 PM

HDdvd and BD fanatics, scary. Just be a user and stop being so weird. :D

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By ce la vie

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 1:05 PM

ok, let's look at the possible outcome of this in the gaming industry only.

if microsoft and nintendo wants hd capabilities, and since hd dvd is down, then both microsoft and nintendo will have to pay yearly license fees to sony for blu-ray. that could make sony an absolute monopoly in the gaming industry.

ouch... this is really nasty.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:14 PM

Don't talk silly. Sony down own Blu-ray.

BDA does, of which Sony is a founding member.

VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:02 AM

Don't talk silly. Sony down own Blu-ray.

ROFLMAO...Oh, the irony.

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By domino360

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:53 PM

I don’t know if “absolute monopoly” is true for the gaming industry. There are many good titles for both X-box 360 and Wii and they don’t have to adopt Blue-ray into their consoles.
The fact the HD DVD promoters pulled out of CES, that’s not good news at all. You could say that “absolute monopoly” by Sony is possible in the HD movie industry. The only movie studios left in the HD DVD camp are Paramount and DreamWorks, and I’m sure they don’t want to be left behind in the HD area.
However, what would be funny is if Disney defects to HD DVD camp. That's a funny story for a soap opera.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:32 PM

I don't believe for a minute that either would pay the competition for blu. You do not need HD movies for a game system. I want HD games in my console I could careless if it plays movies. The Wii is flying off the shelves and it cant even play a DVD. So much for that.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:15 PM

Don't you want HD games?

There are already many games out for PS3, that look stunning, and simply won't fit on a DVD9 disc, unless you make the textures SD.

Take Ratchet and Clank, or Unchartered, both clock in at over 20GB.

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By siryak

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 6:56 PM

I have played Ratchet and Clank...OVER HYPED sorry. Uncharted looks pretty impressive, but you have absolutely no proof that this could not be compressed to fit on a DVD9.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 7:28 PM

If Dave says it, it is so.

They seem to believe that a game has to look amazing to be good. And I agree with your comment of Ratchet. Sales are not very impressive for Clank.

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By Niro

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 8:31 PM

Not only that...but they believe games have to take up 20+GB of storage space to look good...it's pretty funny, actually.

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By Niro

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 1:59 PM

LOL...this post has to go down as one of the funniest, least educated post of all betanews time.

Betanews...you should begin an end-of-year article that includes these types of posts!

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 1:20 PM

Not necessarily. As many had speculated (or hoped, as I did) that Blu-ray would eventually become a proprietary Sony format exclusive to the PlayStation 3, the opposite could be true for HD DVD on Microsoft's behalf. They have invested too heavily to simply throw it to the side, and it would not surprise me if they decided to make it the standard on their next console release/update, choosing to release games that require higher capacity on that format.

It's understandable to assume that no company would want to pay licensing fees to another company when they already have the technology that meets their requirements in front of them.

As far as Nintendo goes, they have apparently shown no indication to support either of the HD formats to date with any of their consoles, opting instead to utilize their own proprietary formats for game distribution.

Too many people are assuming HD DVD is down for the count now. As that may eventually prove to be true, I believe CES this week is going to hold some interesting surprises and revelations. More than anything though, I hope it holds yields some answers for recent events.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 12:49 PM

Even in spite of all this, the Toshiba HD-A3 is still listed on Amazon at #12 on the top-100 best-sellers (as of this posting).

But lo and behold, a Blu-ray player finally broke the top-100 list after all this time (the Sony BDP-S300) at #85, just above the Toshiba HD-A35 at #87.

Just thought that was interesting information.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 12:41 PM

You know something? I just made the connection. Joey and "company" is to Blu Ray what Chris Crocker is to Britney Spears.

I'm looking for a "Leave Blu Ray alone" video to see if he has made one while dressed in women's drag (Blue dress of course).

An obsessed, crossed dressing hermaphrodite wearing eyeliner and a bad blonde wig perched in front of a webcam is the only way I can picture him (Joey / Dave) from now on.

This is going to keep me up nights.

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:21 PM

"Don't taze Dave, Bro!"

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 12:51 PM

Sometimes bud, you worry me more than Dave. :)

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By Death-Axe

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 11:25 AM

Looks like Sony paid them off. It will be their downfall.

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By domino360

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 2:38 AM

Isn't ironic these news came just before CES?
HD DVD has more in favor than Blue-ray. That’s because of red laser which can also be used in burning DVD-R disks. But the battle between Sony and Toshiba is not about quality, but LICENSES.
When looking back into VHS history, Betamax was far more superior. But Sony lost because they didn’t own movie studios. Now they do, and they can do whatever they want with the market.
Since the license fee for Blue-ray is 25 % more than HD DVD, I’ll bet you that Sony in desperation in messing with Toshiba gave 75% discount on license fees to AOL/Warner.
The biggest looser in this dishonorable behavior from Sony, are the small movie studios who are now forced to pay (if they want HD releases) higher license fees.
I don’t like swearing, but given what Sony did I must say that they are unconditionally eligible to the biggest MF Club on the planet. Sony reminds me of Wal-Mart, Microsoft, AOL/Warner, Adobe, IBM/AMD, Oracle, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, Ford, GM, etc…
So, since people are complacent, nothing is going to be done about this. I guess that future generations will adapt to this kind of behavior by becoming more ruthless than today.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 3:59 AM

"HD DVD has more in favor than Blue-ray. That’s because of red laser which can also be used in burning DVD-R disks. "

This simply proves how clueless you are.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray are blue laser systems.

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By domino360

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 2:18 PM

OK... my mistake with red laser on HD DVD. But I was trying to get a point here with HD movies that can be made with red laser on normal DVDs. That's something that Blue-ray doesn't allow on playback. Sony wants to make sure that you use only BD disks for any kind of HD content.
You can create Hi-Def DVDs (up to 60 min) using 4.7 GB Type 5 DVDs (DVD-R). Once you built and formated your DVD on your PC/Mac you can play your movie on HD DVD player only.
Since most ultra cheap DVD players can't play DVD+R, DVD-R is the preferred choice to ensure it plays on all players. When you submit a master disk for DVD duplication or replication, DVD-R is a must. If you also want your movie to have CSS or Macrovision encryption (copyright protection) then you submit your files on an external hard disk.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:06 AM

That is all you attacked I guess the rest is true.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:43 AM

Nope, the fact he does not even know the difference between red wavelength and blue wavelength means all his arguments are simply read from an incorrect Microsoft Xbot crib sheet.

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By Niro

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 10:46 AM

Is that like saying "the fact you don't know the difference between sRGB and adobeRGB means you don't know anything about cars"?

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 11:15 AM

??? He is not talking about colour profiles, or cars.

He is spouting misinformation about HD DVD in a thread specific to that.

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By Niro

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:26 PM

I believe analogies are covered in 3rd grade these days? When you get there, come back and post something that makes a little more sense, will ya?

Thanks

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 11:59 AM

It is not misinformation, Joey. It is called 3x DVD, and incorporates a red laser to allow consumers to create HD DVD content using widely available DVD±R media.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 10:48 AM

Coffee almost came out of my nose on that one. :)

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By darkzero63

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:38 AM

its not like the average joe consumer can't do anything against these monopolies- except of course not buy the blu ray players and discs in the first place, then warners et al would have no choice but to go to the surviving formats side.

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By SGD

posted Jan 5, 2008 - 11:43 PM

I can see the new firmware updates coming now that it appears that blu has won that locks disks to machines. They do own the patent then you are really screwed.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:00 AM

What is it with the rabid idiots here, posting FUD.

1/ You need writable capabilities in the hardware to do this.

2/ Sony are no Blu-ray, there are many other companies that make up the BDA

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:02 AM

To say that is not true about the patent makes you a liar plain and simple. If something is true it can't be FUD. For God sake at least admit that they can do that.

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By Joey Deacon

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 10:20 AM

I never claimed the patent did not exist, but no current hardware can implement it.

Many patents are raised to prevent others raising them.

Just because Sony raised a patent for this (and I believe the patent specifically mentions games), does not mean it's ever going to come to fruition.

You fanboys are embarrassing...

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 2:38 PM

Can you prove that? I didn't think so. You say the PS3 can do just about anything so this may be next. After all it can do anything.

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By pridewalker

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 6:48 AM

Joey, the following statements are pure fact:

Sony, by way of the PS3, has the single most widely adopted Blu-ray player on the market. Regardless of the number of groups within the BDA, Sony is one of its biggest players.

In 2000, Sony filed patent number 6,816,972, registering a technology to prevent owners of "Software Discs" from selling them or lending them to friends.

Nobody, outside of the engineering teams, knows exactly what software could possibly be hidden within the PS3's OS. It is entirely possible that the locking tech was included, under the radar (and given the rootkit fiasco, you can't honestly blame people for their suspicions).

It strikes me as odd that the PS3 is the only machine on the market capable of meeting the requirements, not only for profile 1.1, but profile 2.0 as well (honestly, how hard is it to put a godd*** ethernet port on the machine to handle firmware downloads?). Could it be that Sony has found a way to 'trojan horse' the PS3 into even more homes, by making this fact known to the consumers who pay attention to this kind of information? It wouldn't be the first time that they have done something like this...remember, the PS3 was the Trojan Horse that delivered BR into millions of homes.

Sony LOVES proprietary formats...minidisc, memory stick, UMD, Betamax...the list goes on and on. This is their first real chance of having one truly fly. Given their track record of the last few years though, you really can't blame people for being suspicious.

To many, Sony has replaced Microsoft as the 'evil empire'.

EDIT: One last comment on this...if a $17 cd can wreak as much havoc as it did, with it's rootkit, you can bet your life that I'm going to be watching their actions very closely in regards to a $500 piece of equipment.

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By Paul Skinner

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 2:42 PM

"In 2000, Sony filed patent number 6,816,972, registering a technology to prevent owners of "Software Discs" from selling them or lending them to friends."

This applies to almost every disk already.

Ever read the back of a DVD about the 'no renting, no lending', it's the same on CDs and even VHS (which Sony definitely do not own).

Implementing software to prevent it has, frankly, been expected for a very long time.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 9:41 AM

So are you saying every PS3 has the capability of writing to Blu-ray discs?

That claim is laughable..

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:25 PM

No, I'm saying that if Sony can include a virus scanner in a system update, then it's not too far-fetched to believe that they can include a piece of software that reads a piece of code from a blu-ray disc...and use it to lock this to the console.

Almost every system update has added some type of functionality to the PS3. Could this be next?

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By yountmj

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 10:50 AM

Of course it is, especially since it cannot read recorded BD media.

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By NULLedge

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 3:56 AM

root kits

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By kashin

edited Jan 5, 2008 - 8:58 PM

"While it's not clear what exactly led the studio to change its mind, there is much speculation that Sony offered Warner a large incentive."

Not long ago the HD-DVD camp was accused of giving out a large "incentive" to gain a studio. Looks like the tables are turned. Funny how that works. Sony and the BD camp are getting real desperate now, but I bet this latest trick cost them quite a bundle!

I know that the obviousness of this fact will make all the Sony zealots foam at the mouth, but let's face facts, studios go where the money is. Plain and simple. Anyone who believes that Warner made this decision based on the merits of the format is an idiot. They go to whichever camp hands them a bigger bag of money, that's all.

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By The-One

edited Jan 5, 2008 - 10:19 PM

Maybe they did it from some payout, maybe they didn't. Does it matter? Univeral and Paramount cannot sustain a format, and I am sure they will back out of HD DVD as soon as they can. I would suspect, if Paramount was smart, they'd have some percentage clause that will let them out. If not, they'll be bleeding red as the HD DVD people dwindle real fast.

I think the consumers here are the winners. If there had been only one format to strat with, we'd not be talking about this, and everyone here would own the same HD formatted player. Actually, I am waiting for HD on demand - which we'll have soon from Verizon, so I pretty much care less about the formats anymore.

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 4:03 AM

If Paramount didn't take that big fat backhander, there will surely be a backout clause.

Basically, if Paramount are forced to stick by HD DVD for another 12 months, then it means they took a big boatload of cash to do it, in exchange for a no getout clause.

What company would sign an exclusivity agreement, for free, with no way out.

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By SGD

posted Jan 5, 2008 - 11:33 PM

If there was only one format to start with the players would still be beyond most as far as price is concerned.

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By The-One

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 1:16 PM

Not true at all. The PS3 was the "value" player.

Prices of players always drop, DVD players were > $1000 at launch, I can get one now for $10 bucks. You need to rethink your argument, cause reality is, its not true.

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By SGD

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 7:31 PM

That may be true but not as fast as they have been dropping.

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 5, 2008 - 9:16 PM

"Sony and the BD camp are getting real desperate now, but I bet this latest trick cost them quite a bundle!"

no, sadly it is YOU that is getting desperate now...Sony is shaking in their boots because they control 70% of the market exclusively to themselves...they must be real worried right now....

Warner went blu because of better sales, period...argue your ideas that blu-ray is inferior, and costs too much all you want...nothing will change the fact that blu-ray was outselling hd-dvd handily without Warner exclusivity...now WITH the largest studio exclusive to blu...its only going to get worse...

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 5, 2008 - 10:18 PM

To be completely fair, there has been no proof of a Sony payoff. If it comes out there was, then you can say whatever you want.

I still say HD movies are a long long way from mass adoption and this could become the next LaserDisc, DVD Audio, SACD. What is keeping this from happening is anybody can rent standard DVD's and copy them. Netflix makes it so easy as you can have 3 new movies in two days.

All computers come with DVD burners as standard equipment and there are plenty of free programs to copy DVD's.

Do you think that people will honestly embrace a format they cant back up and copy easily and cheaply? I dont.

I may have to put my HD-DVD's and BD's next to my Divx (not DivX) movies, which I bought for $.49 each after the format tanked just for collecting purposes. I never owned a Divx player as I thought it was a really bad idea.

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By ShadowGod2

edited Jan 6, 2008 - 12:28 AM

No proof of a payoff??? Gimme a break! Of course there was a payoff!! A studio doesn't just flip it's support 180 degrees on a whim! Especially when they're supporting an inferior and *more expensive* format! And claiming that it "benefits the consumer"! LOL! Unbelieveable!

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 5:36 AM

who said they flipped on a whim?

Warner have said no payoffs were involved, it's very difficult to hide $500m in an annual report.

Warner went Blu, based on holiday sales, sensible long term strategies, and industry support.

The ONLY people claiming there was money involved, are those trying to justify the Paramount payoff.

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 6, 2008 - 6:57 AM

First of all, go check the other thread on this topic. I have posted a link to a direct quote from MS stating that there was no payoff to Paramount for their decision.

Given Paramounts statements to the press back in Nov. about maintaining their neutrality (and blatantly denying they were intending to pull this very move at CES), their credibility is tarnished. Is it possible that they're telling the truth this time? Sure...but it's going to take more than a hastily composed press release to make it a credible fact.

Maybe I'm just being suspicious, but it's obvious that there is more to this story, overall, than what has been released to the internet masses at this point. I'm curious to see how this whole thing plays out over the next few days.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 5, 2008 - 9:03 PM

Agreed.

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By nt300

edited Jan 5, 2008 - 7:52 PM

Warner made the wrong move. Now HDM is doomed unless they reconsider and continues support for HD DVD.

HD DVD is already primed for mass adoption. Why on earth would Warner support a Playstation driven format? $500 Million Blu money that is how.

Everybody planing on buying profile plauged Blu-Ray players, have fun. If HD DVD dies, SD DVD will rule for another 5+ years just until something else comes out that will beat it.

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By The-One

posted Jan 5, 2008 - 10:23 PM

Who cares what you think about HD DVD? Its DEAD, get over it and move on. Who cares if they were bought, they did it, and signalled the end of this stupid "format war". Hurray for them, now we can stop this stupid debates and everyone can enjoy HD movies if they want.

You knew there was a chance HD DVD would fail when you bought one, YOU LOST. It sucks, but whining like a baby doesn't help. You have no personal stake here, now move along.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 7, 2008 - 10:12 AM

What is so incredibly amusing about this post is the fervor with which someone can claim 1 of two formats that share a 7% market is "dead", and the fanaticism it shows.

I mean, can anyone really take someone who gets this bent out of shape over formats damn near no-one uses seriously? About anything? Ever?

Don't worry, "One". Even had you been spouting HD DVD fanaticism, I would have responded the same way. AS I said above, I don't give a damn.

I do, however, find it all very amusing.

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By Metfanant

edited Jan 5, 2008 - 8:09 PM

how was HD-DVD primed for mass adoption?? you mean by being outsold 2:1 EVERY week in the US...4:1 in Europe, and 9:1 in Japan??...sure sounds like a mass adoption?...do you mean the dirt cheap players that couldn't even output 1080p resolution??...yeah real brilliant...by the time HDTV's are ready for mass adoption (couple years at least) blu-ray prices (and profiles) will be more than sorted and acceptable to the average consumer...at this time neither format is ready for mass adoption...not even close...

Anyone who purchases HD-DVD or Blu-ray (or an HDTV) is still considered an early adopter at this point, and early adopters sadly have to be prepared to deal with changing standards and hardware...im not saying its right, but its the way to go...

Warner chose to support a "playstation driven format" because sales were better, A LOT better...week after week, month after month, blu out sold hd-dvd...its just simple math...Warner said they were paying close attention to Holiday sales...and guess what...not only did blu ray dominate the holiday sales across the board, but Warner specific titles sold better on blu-ray than hd-dvd...warner saw that the public was making its choice (you have to realize that just because YOU support HD-DVD does not mean that everyone else does)...blu ray was selling more movies, with no sign of slowing down...warner made a choice to go with the side that is winning, and by doing so it may force Universal, and Paramount's hand and end this war for good so that everyone knows what to buy for HDM, and the studios can get back to making all that money they like so much...

there is NO confirmation of money switching hands, Warner's execs say there was no compensation for the move...do i believe them? not sure....but if there was money, it is no worse than what Toshiba did to convince Paramount to go HD-DVD exclusive a few months back....

anyone refusing to buy blu-ray because its sony backed, or because it beat out their format of choice hd-dvd i say good luck to them....enjoy your compressed, non-hd picture...with your compressed, compressed, lossy audio...while the people who supported blu-ray from the start, and the people who are more interested in the best home theater experience enjoy their blu-ray movies, with uncompressed 1080p picture, and uncompressed audio exactly how the director intended it to be heard...

it is not Warner's fault that you chose to support the format that is looking shaky at best right now, and are too caught up in your personal pride to accept it...

VHS held on for awhile too...and so did cassette tapes...eventually HDM will take the mass market...

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