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Halo 3: Not Game Over, But Awful Close

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

September 25, 2007, 12:49 PM

Halo 3: Launch DayThe CE and tech media is billing Halo 3 as the "PS3 killer." While that may not be too far from the truth, it may also be a bit premature. Either way, time is running out.

PERSPECTIVE It's just what the doctor ordered. After a rough couple of months, the launch of Halo 3 is giving the Xbox franchise the good swift kick in the pants Microsoft needed to get itself back on track.

The company had just made its way through an embarrassing admission that as many as 30% of its consoles may have been defective. It also watched as Nintendo seemingly came out of nowhere and took the wind from both its and Sony's sails.

However, Halo 3 could mark Microsoft's comeback in the console space. The game is the Xbox 360's so-called "killer app:" that piece of software or feature that sells the product for you. The numbers for pre-orders were simply astronomical: 1.5 million plus, the highest for any game ever.

For those living under a rock for much of this decade, here's a quick rundown of what the Halo story is about. The game centers around the travails of Master Chief, who leads a band of marines on a quest to save humanity from an alien invasion.

The story is pretty much your classic first-person shooter game, allowing you to blast your way to rid the earth of these vile creatures. You can also choose to play in multiplayer mode with a group of friends to finish the 'campaign,' or choose to play against one another.

It's not too much to assume some of those pre-orders came from customers new to the console. Monday night, the manager of my local GameStop told me that, in her experience, games like BioShock were able to sell consoles on their own. She was almost sure that Halo's allure would be able do the same.

Believe me when I say the graphics are as good as the promotional pictures show: Even on a standard definition monitor they look as good as some of the high-definition shots of early 360 games. Better yet, the game is easy to pick up, even for the casual gamer, and the blood and gore is not too in-your-face -- making it more palatable to parents.

All of these factors add up to a game with mass appeal, and enough attraction to lure consumers into spending the $350 to 'finish the fight,' as Microsoft's PR team has asked gamers to do.

This now puts tremendous pressure on Sony to produce. The PS3 is still without that "killer app" spoke of earlier: too much longer without one, and it may be too late for the console to ever pose a credible threat to either the Wii or the 360.

Sony's only hope may come in the form of Final Fantasy, which in and of itself is as big a game for its platform as Halo is to Xbox. While some may argue that it wouldn't be fair to compare the two side by side, in actuality it is.

Let me ask those who may say that if FF is not enough for a gamer to pick up the PS3, what is? Blu-ray is certainly not selling the consoles either.

To some extent, Halo puts the squeeze on Nintendo as well. To date, there are really only two standout games on that platform: Zelda and Metroid. The console's price and haptic capabilities will only take it so far. Too many of the Wii's games are simply too simplistic right now to satisfy many.

Microsoft's next moves are very important. Since this Halo is billed as the last, the 360 will soon be without a standout franchise. What does Redmond do? Does it take the risk and try to create an all new one, or does it attempt to lure others to the platform, possibly even Final Fantasy?

Only time will tell. But the ball is in Microsoft's court, and they are amid a full-court press for next-generation console supremacy.

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By InsideGuy

edited Oct 2, 2007 - 8:00 PM

Sony Should just give up... Oh Wait they did.
http://www.xyhd.tv/2007/...r-halo-3-launch-success/

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By Hollywood__

posted Sep 30, 2007 - 10:33 PM

P.S.

Halo 3, 4.5 million copies sold. That's more than every PS3 game sold to date combined.

That is so sad.

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By Hollywood__

posted Sep 30, 2007 - 10:32 PM

The verdict is in: I bought Halo 3 on launch day and only had a fewminutes to try it out. Initially I was unhappy but once I got into some extremely intense levels I decided this game rocks.

BTW, I went to BB today to get a snap on keyboard for my controller and ALL XBOX Pro's were sold out, they had 4 Halo editions and a whole bunch of Elites.

When I was there on Halo launch day, they had a good 50 Halo editions and the same amound of pro's in stock.

I guess a good title does sell consoles.

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By Steve Austin

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 5:52 PM

Seems like Microsoft has been buying good reviews for Halo 3.

Sad they need to resort to that, the game must really suck.

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-70701.aspx

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Sep 28, 2007 - 4:07 AM

Only a 8 year old PS3 fangirl would say that.

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By Steve Austin

posted Sep 28, 2007 - 12:29 PM

Like only a total idiot would think Halo 3 looks great..

Nice Jaggelies. PS2 era all over again!!

http://i160.photobucket....s/Niketalk/IMG_4267.jpg

http://i160.photobucket....s/Niketalk/IMG_4269.jpg

Seems obvious why Microsoft had to pay all the review sites off with goodie bags..

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By Hocuspokus

edited Sep 27, 2007 - 2:42 PM

The best selling video game (ever) which has even managed to outsell the biggest grossing movie to date (amusingly that was that garbage Spiderman3)

From that well known Microsoft outlet, the BBC....

"The game sets the record for the most money earned in a day by an entertainment product, topping figures set by film Spiderman 3."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7015663.stm

.....and the best the Sony/PS3 zealots can manage is a childishly lame whine like a sad spoilt little b!tch & 'hope' that it doesn't emulate their beloved PS3's pathetic sales figures (which, btw, have now fallen off of a cliff twice).

This place gets funnier by the hour.

Keep it up Steve, Ray, Dave, Milkmaid, fernz..... or whoever you are going to be today.

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By Steve Austin

edited Sep 27, 2007 - 12:23 PM

Let's hope sales of Halo 3 don't "fall of a cliff" next week, as that has always made featured article news, when it pertains to other consoles..

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By yountmj

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 6:09 PM

I'll say it again...

As soon as Sony starts doing something positive worth mentioning, then I'm sure we'll all read about it here.

Until that actually happens, perhaps it's best that you stick with your Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanzine sites that tell you what you all want to hear.

When you keep clamoring for attention, you have to be prepared to accept the negative attention in the process.

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By Tech9ne

edited Sep 27, 2007 - 11:06 AM

ROTJONG

I'm not suprised the CC had copies being that most people put their orders in at a GS or other videogame store. Places like CC, Bestbuy, CompUSA normally have many left over copies after the rush. They just try to get in on the dibs. This is one reason that unless I'm going to be at a 12 am event, I don't even PRE-Order games from GS or game store anymore.

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By rotjong

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 1:11 AM

I was stunned to walk into my local CC yesterday after dinner on the 26th. I talked to a salesperson and in passing made a comment about Halo 3 and all the hoopla. She pointed me to the area where they have Halo 3 and I was shocked to see an enormously large quantity of the game left in stock. The salesperson said they had really not sold many of what they had in stock. There must have been 15 unsold sets that came in the helmet and far more of the other releases. After seeing the news stories about NYC, etc, I was utterly astounded.

I realize the game may sell better in some areas than others and this was expected to be _the_ game for the XBox 360. With Sony suffering the delay of GTA IV that gives Microsoft a bit of a boost for the holiday season.

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By timatl

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 1:29 PM

Rumor is Microsoft shipped over 4 million copies. I would imagine it is not hard to get the game at this point.

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By SGD

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 10:08 AM

1.5 million pre sells is not a bad number. Many games fail to sell that number period.

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By fernz33

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 9:13 PM

@ EOSWALD
"...but flat out insults are just ridiculous you know?"

Oh come now Ed Oswald. You knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote this piece. You know whom you serve here in Beta"News". The 360/anti-Sony fan base on this site is easily 20-1 and you cater to that. You writing 'PERSPECTIVE' actually proves that Ed Oswald = Microsoft Propagandist. These are your viewpoints and opinions about PS3v360. But I think you need to take it a step further and write 'PERSPECTIVE' on every piece you write. Maybe this site should just be called BetaPERSPECTIVES.

So now I ask you Ed Oswald, when's the last time you've written a non anti-Sony piece.
I know I’ve asked you and you’ve "answered" this before… So let me word it a little differently.

Do I really have to go as far back as E3 2 years ago to find a non anti-Sony piece from you? Surely you must have written something positive about the company since then.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 1:53 PM

"Ed Oswald = Microsoft Propagandist"

- This just shows how ludicrous & pathetic the Sony/PS3 zealots have become.

It's sheer laughable blinkered paranoid nonsense.

How dare Betanews write anything that's not slamming the biggest earning/selling video game in history, eh?
(it even outsold the biggest movie to date too)

What a scandal.

LMFAO.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 12:22 AM

How could Ed write a article thats negative on halo when quite clearly in public eyes thats not the case? If he WAS to he would be misleading.
It's very fair to say its up to sony now to produce something big to show the general gaming public they are in the game just as serious.
Seems Ed just cant win with you people

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By yountmj

edited Sep 27, 2007 - 12:50 AM

"Do I really have to go as far back as E3 2 years ago to find a non anti-Sony piece from you? Surely you must have written something positive about the company since then."

You would have to go back more than 2 years to find something positive that Sony has done worthy of mention.

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By SGD

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 10:22 AM

Agreed.

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By shicaca

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 9:21 AM

AMEN

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By ingram091

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 5:51 PM

ah PS3 was the PS3 killer... Consoles suck... with their subscriptions to play online and their lousy uncustomizable interfaces, and lack of mod-ability for user made expansions.

I have never seen the appeal of these appliances... Xbox, PS.. whoppty do. Now at least the Wii was original in concept, but still.. None of them are very impressive when you look at the over all cost and game selection. They just plain suck compared to a high end PC... I would rather put the $600 into a PC and get a better video card or something and play hundreds of games , then buy a console box and only have a few dozen to select from...

Least Sony was smart and made it backward compatible so their library was bigger at the get go, but really... if you had a PS2 why go to a PS3 until more is out there? Same can be said of Xbox, and Wii, really...

Least a PC can be truly multi functional in the end...

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:43 PM

Agreed the best experience comes from the old PC.

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By Adrian79

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 6:31 PM

TOTALLY AGREE!! but i just built a PC in march and it didnt come with PCI-E slot...so guess what? yup, buy a new MOBO and buy a new CARD, since my AGP is bottlenecking the rest of my hardware :-/

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By The_One

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 2:44 PM

Well the footage I saw looks very average, except for the bit about 0:50 with the troop ship landing, that looks awesome!

http://www.gametrailers..../usermovies/110735.html

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By nitramsen1

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 11:17 AM

I have all 3 3G consoles and I can only say that the PS3 was the most expensive and the least usefull of them.

Microsoft needs to do two things to put the last nail in Sony’s coffin.

Support divx natively.

Drop the exclusive support for HD-DVD and supply a combo Blue-ray/Hd-dvd drive both internally and optional external combo drive for existing xboxes.

If they did this Sony will be out of business tomorrow and have a stock price around 0.1$.
But Microsoft is no long what they were 5 years ago so they will probably stick to their current strategy and keep the PS3 in the marked just to make sure that there is competition and thereby avoiding a 2 billion bill from the communistic EU.

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By timatl

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 12:54 PM

what the #&!! is a 3G console.

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:45 PM

I think he is referring to 3rd gen.

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By yountmj

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 12:48 AM

The Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii would technically be considered 7th Generation, FYI.

Not meaning to nit-pick. :)

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By nitramsen1

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:53 PM

Actually I’m referring to 3 grade consoles as these console all have their own weaknesses.

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By SGD

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 3:21 PM

I can see that no system can do everything.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 12:39 PM

" communistic EU. "

- Hilarious.

Would that be "communistic" in the sense that the EU is a free and democratic voluntary collective of sovereign nation states who have the audacity to attempt to assert regulations and controls on the operation of 'the market' within their own territories (like every other sovereign nation state does) so as not to just stand by and allow an anti-consumer free-for-all?

In other words nothing actually "communistic" at all?

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By nitramsen1

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:49 PM

Or would it be communistic in the sence of:

Plan Economy
State run corporations
Democratic? Left-wing maybe
Limiting Consumers choice (Of cause to protect stupid consumers according to them)
Destructive subsidizing
Forcing stupid products on cosumers that no one wants
Spreading the wealth of (once) rich nations to everyone

Voluntary? How come no westen EU contries is holding election on memebership anymore. Maybe because EU would only consists of easten europe after that?

As for freedom I don't thing the west has alot of that these days.

I'm happy I left EU when there was still time...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 5:36 PM

"Or would it be communistic in the sence of:

Plan Economy"


- Forget the ridiculous 'tabloid' take on things.
There is not a single sovereign member state in the EU that has a 'planned' or 'command' economy.

.....and btw even the most 'free market' is really no such thing and has various constraints, human, legal and regulatory.

"State run corporations"

- So there are a few non-privatised companies left in the EU.

So what?
That is not a credible definition of a communist or "communistic" entity.

The UK is not a "communistic" state because we have had whole nationalised industries since the end of WW2 (and still have a handful of state enterprises).

"Democratic? Left-wing maybe"

- Oh yeah, how revealing, of course.
The only democracy that really counts is one that gives you a result you agree with, huh?

Europe as a whole is extremely democratic these days, from PR maximising the 'voice' of a wide variety of view and opinion to a hell of a lot of genuine power devolved down to the states/counties, cities, towns, regions and people it affects.

If you don't know this stuff then just stop commenting on it cos it's pretty clear you have little idea of what you're talking about.

The EU itself remains exactly as the sovereign nation states want it to be, being directed by the Presidents, Prime Ministers, Ministers and the appointees of the democratically elected Govs that compose the EU within an agreed framework of law.

"Limiting Consumers choice (Of cause to protect stupid consumers according to them)
Destructive subsidizing"


- That's just a flippant response to the fact that we in Europe will never agree to a so-called 'free market' free-for-all.

Get over it, we won't.

"Forcing stupid products on cosumers that no one wants"

- Er, you'll find that in our markets the products "no one wants" remain unsold as they would be everywhere else.

"Spreading the wealth of (once) rich nations to everyone"

- LMAO.

Go read about how it works, go look at how the once incredibly poor, undeveloped and extremely needy areas and citizens of Europe have been raised up.

From Ireland to Spain to Portugal etc etc those countries that were once recipients of aid are now strong healthy contributing members of the community.....a process that will continue in the new entrant countries.

That was the entire point and it has worked exceptionally well.

"Voluntary?"

- Yes.

The EU did not force a single member to join.

" How come no westen EU contries is holding election on memebership anymore."

- There's not one of them so ideologically insane as to want to leave.

But each and every one of the member states remain sovereign and fully able to do so under international law, actually.

Countries want in to join the EU, not to leave it - despite what a tiny unrepresentative nutter minority might claim.

" Maybe because EU would only consists of easten europe after that?"

- If you honestly think that then I am sorry to tell you that you are woefully misinformed.

Even in the UK (probably the most 'Euro-sceptic' of the member states) we won't touch our 'pull out' political parties with a barge-pole.

We had a serious attempt at pushing this claim when the British tory party committed suicide over Europe in 2001.
They made the 2001 election a 'save the £' election (which, given what the then tory leadership were saying was in effect an 'in or out' general election.
They lost by a landslide, utterly smashed out of sight.

Even with a supposedly large 'Euro-sceptic' element us Brits, when offered the chance, wanted nothing to do with such a patently irrational and self-harming course of action.

"As for freedom I don't thing the west has alot of that these days."

- ......and what?
You idea of 'freedom' is allowing international corporations and big businesses to do anything they like?
No thanks.
In the EU we at least have some kind of brake against all of that absurdity, thanks to the collective voice we gain by having the EU.

"I'm happy I left EU when there was still time... "

- Good for you.

I could care less what you think of the EU, but if you're going to comment on it at least try and stay within the bounds of reality.

"Communistic"

FFS, wake up.

Europe is a capitalist grouping.....but one where the demands of business and 'capital' are not the only priority listened to.

.....and the idea that there can only be one version of capitalism is a wholly false conceit.

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By khetos

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:55 AM

omfg, if microsoft did that, provided a bluray and hd combo drive, it would infact kill sonys sails for bluray players..

it would be ultimately unjust.. id say microsofts being kind by not doing this, and instead letting sonys playstation division kill itself...

id say though, sonys stock would drop a bit, but not much, sonys got players, dvds, tvs, car stereos, sound systems, and soo much more.. they will do ok, just close down the ps system.. wich is sad for me, ps2 was the s***!

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By nitramsen1

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 12:33 PM

Sony will not be able to recover if the PS3 fails as they have invested too heavily in the development of the PS3.
Okay they may survive but they will def be out of the Console business and have 3-5 billion hole in their pocket.

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By Metfanant

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:15 PM

they still make money on every PS2 sold...and the PS2 is still outselling everything other than the Wii....their gaming division is not in the hole...

remember Microsoft never made a penny of profit on the original xbox...

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By nitramsen1

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:24 PM

Remember Microsoft has 40 billion waiting to be used.

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By HoIIywood__

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 7:28 AM

LOL. Face it outside of hicksvilleUSA, nobody is interested in Halo 3.

http://www.reghardware.c.../09/26/halo_3_uk_launch/

Ed Oswald, to show you are not totally biased, please create this as a Featured Article, with all the accompanying photos.

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By KSzostek

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 2:14 PM

Right thats why 1.5 million were preordered, thats just preordered get a clue dude.

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By Steve Austin

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 12:26 PM

And who told you there were 1.5 million pre-orders? Where did the press release come from?

Basically here is how it works. Microsoft issue press releases saying anyhing they want, fanboys then all rush out to buy it, because the hype machine brainwashing, means they will feel inadequete if they don't have Halo.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 4:36 PM

You've never even played Halo (or even own a 360 for the matter). Talk about brainwashing. Your the fangirl; the fangirl of the PS3.

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By khetos

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 12:11 PM

many central London stores, including Virgin Megastore and Game in Oxford Street, were forced to hold fire until 8am this morning following a ban from Westminster Council on a midnight launch, possibly over fears of frozen gamers or fights over copies

um, it says it was too damn cold for the gamers to be out side waiting for the store to open at midnight, and it was a public ban for the stores..

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By terminalx

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:25 AM

Honestly, you need to start reading the articles, it stated most closed because of cold, second people do have jobs, third there was some areas were there were bigger crowds.

Why Halo 3 is a success is because ANYONE can pick it up and play it, and online is where Halo shines, the single mode is just a bonus.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't have the best graphics, (wii doesn't and its putting both systems to shame)

Now take a FPS on a pc and it takes time to get used to with a keyboard and mouse. Once you get used to it yeah it probably is better. Halo you can pick it up and within minutes pick up what you need to do.

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By yountmj

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:36 AM

I think this pretty much sums it up:

http://www.2xlrobot.com/sounds/mirror.wav

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By Setian^Stalker

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 7:40 AM

That page is the first i heard of 'no interest' outside usa
BBC reported thousands of people lining up and the tabloids say the same story.
I'd say you went out of your way to find a negative story to counter all the bleeding obvious positive news coming out. Noones that stupid, we can clearly see the game is doing well
Hate to break it to you, those pictures hardly look like midnight photos either. Been to the UK? guess not

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By HoIIywood__

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:06 AM

"Been to the UK? guess not"

Erm, considering I live there, yes...

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By Hocuspokus

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 10:22 AM

S'funny but I live in the UK & I know a lot of people interested in Halo3 (and some are buying it and a new XBox 360 together).

All the game shops in my town and the nearest large city I've just been to are plastered with posters and advertising for it etc etc.

To pretend it's hardly selling and no-one here is interested is as typical a lie as we have come to expect from fraud Hollywood
(who still remains - clearly - far too embarrassed to try and come in & comment under his own handle here).

What an idiot.

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By HoIIywood__

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 11:14 AM

"All the game shops in my town and the nearest large city I've just been to are plastered with posters and advertising for it etc etc."

I hate to break the news to you. But having posters in windows does not:

a) mean it's selling.
b) make it a great game.

It just means Microsoft spent alot of money buying people off. The fact so many people are saying it's not what it's cracked up to be, and fails to live up to the hype, is bad news for Microsoft.

What's even worse, is the bad news for Xbox360 owners. A full year has passed since Gears Of War was released, and you have Halo3 which fails to even meet that standard. If Microsoft/Bungie can't get any more out of the 360, don't expect anyone else to either.

LOL.

Expect a Xbox720 in a few months, to correct all the bad design decisions made in the 360. It will have Blu-Ray as standard, it will have a HDD as standard, I suspect Wifi and motion sense as standard, I expect it will also be black.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 12:30 PM

You're a lying moron, plain and simple.

From the BBC -

About 1,000 games shops around the country opened at the stroke of midnight so fanatical gamers could buy a copy and assume the role of Master Chief. First day sales may well have grossed more than any other game, film or album in history.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7013855.stm

....and ffs how desperate can you Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shills get, the next XBox to have a Blu-ray drive?
Yeah right.
Just after Universal & Paramount go format neutral on their movies I guess, hmmmmmm?

You really are a bunch of deluded fanboy oafs.

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By Steve Austin

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 12:34 PM

IS that the same BBC that showed Killzone 2 footage and labelled it Halo3?

very credible...

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By Hocuspokus

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 8:58 PM

"IS that the same BBC that showed Killzone 2 footage and labelled it Halo3?

very credible... "


- FFS you guys just can't help excelling yourselves can you?

The world doesn't revolve around your little game console(s) you know.

Just cos the Beeb may have mislabelled an illustrative screen shot.
Like anyone cares.

That minor error does not mean that the Beeb is now without credibility in the world as a news reporting organ and can't accurately say how many people have rushed for this product in the UK.

Obviously the fact that you claim to 'think' it might seriously be open to question on the basis of that kind of minor mislabelling is just another obvious indication as to how you Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shills are quite detached from reality in your paranoia and frankly a bit insane with your cretinous devotion to your 'beloved'.

Yeah, maybe Microsoft paid them off too, huh?

LMFAO.

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By SGD

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 11:38 AM

Like $ony's motion sense that the reviews say seems like an after thought. What is the big deal about Wifi? Xbox720 in a few months you really are ignorant Dave. You are so far off base its almost funny.

How about all the signs for the hot Lair game, didn't really suck. Looks amazing but plays like crap.

Answer the challange or move on.

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By yountmj

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:12 AM

A detect a slight hint of jealousy and bitterness... perhaps because Microsoft and Nintendo have been successfully doing what Sony should have been doing all along with the PS3:

Market it as a game console?

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:27 AM

He is right about one thing signs do not sell games example Lair. Lots of signs crap game.

He also fails to admit that the reviews have been stellar unlike his loved PS3 games. Funny he mentions Gears of War and fails to mention the huge hit called Bioshock. He is an other pathetic troll that is completely clueless. A new system in a couple of months what a joke.

You are right about him being jealous since his system has nothing new that is worth playing. All you here is coming the games are coming but nothing seems to materialize.

I also like the way these trolls fail to give examples like the article writer asked for instead all you get are their childish attacks, MS sucks, Halo sucks, and rest of the childish comments. If the system is so good why can no one truly answer his challange. Simple they do not have a defense at least not yet since there is nothing out to make the PS3 a good buy.

Like Ed stated all you wil see here is hate and nonsense no answer or challenge to his article. Dave needs to grow up and point reason to buy instead of attacking the competition. I guess he has no defense so the only reponse is stupid statements that are blatantly wrong and showing of ignorance.

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By Steve Austin

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 12:38 PM

I would guess Bioshock was not mentioned for good reason, it's sub-par game, with massive texture compression, and huge amounts of texture reuse. Technically a long way behind Halo 3 and Gears.

I was very disappointed with Bioshock.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 5:16 PM

Too bad you never played it. You don't even own a 360. You proved that by showing that picture of your 720p HDTV setup (which takes good use of your HDMI).

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By Steve Austin

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 5:26 PM

Are you thick or something? I am not DaveBG/Dave Peterson, or whoever you think I am.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 4:39 PM

"Are you thick or something?"

?!?!?

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:48 PM

Yeah ok that is why it got excellent reviews. Your ignorance is amazing.

Bad games do not get game of the month.

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By Steve Austin

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 2:37 PM

Erm, you do realise everyone in the industry is in each others pockets. Most of the gaming sites are US based, and all live in Microsoft's pockets.

They give free laptops, Vista PC's and other bribes for good reviews. Face it, most sites are paid off (Betanews/AMD/Microsoft), or cause controversy and rely on advertising to generate revenue.

Bioshock is a OK game, but it's certainly not as highly ranked as many rate it.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 7:24 PM

I guess they never paid the people reviewing lair very well then?

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:45 PM

Even PSM said it stuck so they must have missed the check as well.

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By mishihu

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 5:00 PM

Incredible... if something doesn't agree with your viewpoint, you call it a conspiracy. Are related to Mark Gillespie by chance? He stopped entertaining us with he comments on Betanews because he was convinced the Betanews staff was conspiring against him. As I recall, he said something to effect of "there is NO OTHER explaination" than a conspiracy against him. Hilarious.
If someone gives an XBOX game a good review, in your world, there can be NO OTHER explaination than a conspiracy. Every village needs...

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By yountmj

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 12:06 AM

Ah, but did Mark actually leave? Hmm? I get the impression his 'spirit' lives on in quite a few monikers around here...

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By SGD

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 4:28 PM

Wow is that the best you can do!

I bet if it was on the PS3 it would be game of the year material.

What ever you say.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:49 AM

Great then you know how oxford street looks late at night? not like that photo that says 5 minutes to launch...

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By HoIIywood__

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 9:22 AM

And if you came from the UK, you would know that hardly any stores bothered with midnight openings, they all went for the 8AM openings this morning (26th).

If you look at the EXIF data in these files, they were indeed all taken shortly before store opening.

I know it's hard to understand how your beloved Halo 3 has flopped outside HicksvilleUSA, but you only have to look at the product, which does not live up to the hype to understand why.

People are sick of more of the same Xbox FPS games, and want something different. The sales of the Wii show this.

Halo 3 offers nothing new, and is a rehash of Halo2. It's got a very narrow audience of 12-15yr old gamers.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 5:18 PM

"Halo 3 offers nothing new, and is a rehash of Halo2."

The PS3 is a rehash of the PS2. ;)

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 9:50 AM

mate, i dont own the game nor do I ever have a xbox 360. Its not my beloved game. But when people like you talk s*** I feel its somewhat important to inform other people of the bulls*** you dribble.
Halo3 flopped outside usa? i mean seriously stop making BULLs*** up and go back to cowering under your mum while your dad beats you up.... i assume thats whats happening because your still too p**** scared to use your own username here.
If people are so sick of the same xbox FPS games then you better tell people to stop buying them and start reducing the attachment rate.
Your about as detached from reality as anyone could be.
I feel dirty enough I even replied to you the way I did. Yes i lowered myself to your level, be happy

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By HoIIywood__

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 10:22 AM

Ohh, attach rates. Now I wonder who keeps talking attach rates around here..

Buddy, you just gave yourself away...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 1:39 PM

"I wonder who keeps talking attach rates around here.."

......any and everyone with a functioning brain when discussing the so-called high def format war?

(so that's the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray zealot drones out of the reckoning for a start)

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By yountmj

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 9:03 AM

Priceless... that's just good comedy.

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By PSXp-ONE

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 6:25 AM

Halo...pfft, PORQUERIA!!!

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By Metfanant

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 2:46 AM

this article is a little silly if you ask me...the PS3 has sold more than 5 million consoles to date...got some great games coming out...rumors circling of another price drop...blu-ray still out selling HD-DVD...

and while I'll wait to pass judgment on Halo 3 until i play it myself...the reviews im reading (especially outside the US where the Halo/360 hype is nowhere near what it is in the US) is that Halo 3 is a great game, but falls flat on the visuals...been hearing rumors of lots of jaggies and aliasing problems...but i have not yet played it so ill wait....

I'm still expecting Haze to be a shocker to many...its a PS3 exclusive FPS that is still flying under many people's radar....and god forbid if square ever actually announces a FF VII remake for the PS3...the Japanese will start selling their children to get PS3's...

we shall see how things go...but to say the PS3 is dead less than a year into its life cycle is a little much...Sony can afford to ride this one out for the time being because unlike MS their last gen console has a real life cycle, and is still making Sony buttloads of money

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By khetos

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 12:26 PM

price drops would piss me off, seriously, if i spent a grand on getting a ps3, the controllers and all that stuff, id be right pissed off... if somone else gets 200 dollers off from what i had to pay, id be soo mad...

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By TomeOne

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:03 AM

Soon, Only Not Yet

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By yountmj

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 8:14 AM

September? October? Next Year?

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By SGD

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 9:03 AM

I don't get how you find a couple of pictures on the web about a upcoming game like Haze and it is all in a sudden going to be game of the year. Those fanboys say this is coming out and is going to blow this and that away yet nothing happens. The same fanboys stated that when Lair comes out we will see the PS3 start selling. The game looks amazing, look at what the system can do. Well Lair is out and it looks amazing but the game is well, not fun. Why do these morons always base a games future by a couple of screen shots. Kill Zone 2 is an other example the game looks great but the previews are like the Ai is terrible making the game no fun. Once again looks great but game play is not there.

This is not at all directed to you just in addition to what you stated.

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By Metfanant

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:10 PM

huh? the game releases in November...they have gameplay footage out...and i never said it would be game of the year....

and Killzone 2...the only time gameplay has been shown was at E3...and nobody actually played it but GG themselves...the game is slated to be released for quite some time...it was according to the developers a "pre-alpha" build of the game...I would not expect proper AI at that point of a game's development...

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By SGD

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 2:05 PM

You really fail to get the point. You trolls say something is going to be excellent just by a couple of pictures. Didn't you fanboys say the same thing about Lair. That game looks so good and it is going to crush the competition, as the game sits on the stores selves not selling.

I'll say it again maybe you should read a little slower to understand, nice graphics do not make a game good. If that was the case the Wii would be in trouble.

By the way I hope it is better then the first Killzone. Then again it would be hard to be much worse. A lot of reviewers didn't even like it. It seems that any game that is an exclusive to Sony is awesome which is wrong.

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By yountmj

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 9:05 AM

The AI probably relies on the 8th disabled core...

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By khetos

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 12:29 PM

hahaa would not supprize me at all...

question though, does sony themselves know how to code games for the ps3..?

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By yountmj

posted Sep 27, 2007 - 12:41 AM

Probably not, as evidenced by the rather lackluster titles already published by Sony themselves.

I would expect the games to look good, as the GPU that Sony was forced to accept from NVIDIA (either this or nothing...) was based on last-gen technology that a lot of PC gamers have been using for the past 2 years. Of course developers know how to code the graphics properly... at least they should.

The rest of the architecture for the PS3 is a nightmare... too 'advanced' for its own good. There are numerous other consoles throughout history that have all had highly advanced cutting-edge hardware architectures for their time, but suffered a horrible fate because of it.

It was the same way with the Sega Saturn. About the only individuals who could properly and efficiently code for that platform were Yu Suzuki and Sega's own AM2 research and development team. Hardly anyone else either knew how to code for it or wanted to. The hardware deviations from 'the norm' were simply too extreme for its time, and other developers quickly lost interest.

I have no doubt that games for the PS3 will only get better as time goes on... they haven't much choice. However, to release a next-gen console without giving developers a chance to become intimately familiar with the hardware was just ridiculous, and I hope they will learn their lesson from it. The PS3 deserves 3rd place (or 4th, 5th, or possibly 6th, if you count the PS2 and Nintendo's portables).

Microsoft and Nintendo rightfully deserve the success they've enjoyed by offering platforms that are easy to work with that offer excellent rewards for the developers and consumers alike when the game is finished.

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By Hollywood__

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 3:35 AM

Sure Dave. Your jealousy is so obvious and posts stink of desperation.

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By doubleshot

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:49 AM

When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter who wins or looses, it all matters if you enjoy what you have. Right now the XBOX 360 is a more "valued" console than the PS3, however that may change, as does everything in this world. If you always based your life on maybes or what ifs, you'd have a pretty sad life.

Go have fun, stop being thuds and buy what you want to buy. :)

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By jbelkin

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:17 AM

Most analysts seem to barely understand how to operate their TV let along give insightfulness to this current console battle.

The bottom line is one that XBoxers don't want to hear - the XBox 360 shot its wad and is done. Yes, Xboxers will buy Halo in droves - even if EVERY Xbox minus the 30% defective ones or about 6 million current users all bought one, that is about 5% of US households. It's NOTHING. It's a fine game and a fine system but MS had illusions the 360 would sell like the PS2 - about 100 million - it it NOT going to happen.

Are there hardcore gamers who are absolutely committed to playing and paying for the newest and latest - yes, there are 25-35 million Americans who fall into that category and they will choose or buy both PS3 and or an Xbox - but that is all.

On the other hand, 80% of American households but are casual gamers who play flash games, poker online, etc ... and that is who Nintendo is correctly chasing.

The audience is now irrevocable and CLEANLY divided between hardcore gamers and casual gamers and casual gamers - while they have always been therea nd Nintendo has always been seen mostly as a casual gamer system (certainly post PS1) BUT the crucial difference is now the WII is something ANYONE can play in 2 minutes. You personally might sneer at that but the fact is that 75% of people interested in VG's are NOT that committed to practicing, going online and logging 1,000 hours. They don't measure the value of that - it would be like trying to convince people to run a marathon - they jsut don't care that much and Nintendo was smart enough to realize that. As long as Nintendo doesn't screw it up - they will win the "body count" race for this generation. It's over. Nintendo passed MS and is not looking back. Who will be second? Most likley PS3 ... especially if you count worldwide - that is why MS ahs pretty much lost. It might be a split in Europe between the two but in Japan, it will be like 15 to 1 so MS Xbox will defintely be third within 9-14 months.

This round is over. Maybe with the XBox 720.

http://2aday.wordpress.c...ey-stand-now-whats-next/

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By nitramsen1

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 11:58 AM

The Wii is only on the marked because of the price. The mashine is ridicules, and as soon as the price for the Xbox and PS3 drops the Wii will no long be talked about.

And you will probally see the control stick on both the Xbox and PS3 if they believe that this kind of control will be long lived.

Wii maybe charming right now but when it loses that it will die a fast death.

Sony thought they knew everything but lost everything.

Microsoft played it right and pretended to be the underdog but made a beast at the right price.

And yes Microsoft had quality issues, but the handled it correctly (After a little while:)) and when my box broke it was running again within two week. From what I hear it takes about 2-3 months for sony to fix their boxes when things go wrong.

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By yountmj

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 6:25 AM

Nice 'perspective' piece.

In all honestly, I enjoyed reading that link.

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By Steve Austin

edited Sep 25, 2007 - 7:26 PM

Major yawn, FFS get girlfriends, boyfriends, good p0rn, camels, whatever.

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By ritz_nair

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 1:18 AM

What we all need to understand is that the ps3 developers are still not using the maximum capacity of the system. i am thinking if it is used it can emulate an xbox 360 and run halo 3. well i still like the ps2 as its got games that is really using the system to the max.

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By yountmj

edited Sep 26, 2007 - 7:26 AM

I think that statement should go without saying. It is rather common knowledge that the PS3 was a poorly designed architecture from the developer's point of view.

It's not just that enough developers don't understand the architecture well enough... it's that it seems they don't want or care to, and that has been stated on several occasions (and as evidenced by most of the rather lackluster games available to date, and nothing too impressive on the horizon).

From what I have read, Sony has yet to release a decent toolkit to help developers along that path. Kutaragi-san's (PS3 creator and former President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment) dream seemed to fail to include all the people who would take what he and IBM designed and make proper use of it. Who knows... maybe upon stepping down he knew something the rest of us didn't, and wanted to make himself scarce when the inevitable backlash from angry customers and investors ensued.

...and surely your comment on emulating the 360 is a joke. :)

I agree completely on the PS2. To date it's still the console I use the most. I was completely surprised to see the explosion of color from Odin Sphere... that game sure pushed the limits of that console.

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By pitdingo

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 10:23 AM

"It is rather common knowledge that the PS3 was a poorly designed architecture from the developer's point of view."

Are you a developer? the hardware is different...it is a new take on how a "CPU" works. Sure the tools are not the best, however that can be said of any new hardware including the 360.

It takes time for developers to come up to speed on how a new architecture works. The Cell architecture in the PS3 offers considerably more horsepower than what is in the M$ 360. It is just going to take another generation or two of games to start really showing.

remember M$ rushed out the 360 over a year before the PS3 and Wii since the first XBox failed so badly. So you are seeing games which push the 360 for all its got now since developers have some experience.

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By terminalx

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:50 AM

Hardware ahead of its time

Jaguar- Dead
3do - Dead
Dreamcast - Dead
ps3 - Dead?

What I find amusing about your posts you state the ps3 is more powerful (on paper it is but has yet to show in real life) I am sure you can do a search and look for news articles that state the xbox360 is much easier to program for whereas the ps3 not so much.

Yet, you go on and on about the wii how its better then all systems, yet has the worst in graphics, Halo has always relied on gameplay and ease of use for any person looking to play a fps.

Xbox had more power then the ps2, yet did fairly well, they came late to the game, it would have been stupid for xbox to continue to develop for the xbox and not promote a new system when everyone else is. Nintendo doesn't develop for gamecube anymore, that must have been a failure too?

More power as has been demonstrated by the wii doesn't equate better games, if the control is terrible, which has been the case for ps3 games. Personally (IMO), I think the wii is going to become a novelty and lose some of its steam, but we'll see.

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By SGD

posted Sep 26, 2007 - 11:17 AM

Yawn, you have no idea what you are talking about once again. Many developers have stated that the great tools that MS (not M$) has made creating games is the easiest of any of the new systems. Every one here knows you are a Microsoft hater and usually don't know what you are talking about. When are you going to stop using windows since you hate MS so much? The cell on paper may be great but to bad the other supporting hardware is not so good. The memory design is old school and very limiting to the cell. This has been discussed here several times by the way.

I can not believe that you would even bring the Wii up in your comment. The Wii will never able to be compared to the 360 as far as power goes so give that up. The Wii is fun but seriously underpowered when compared to the 360 or the PS3. Rushed out and failed you truly are pathetic.

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By Hollywood__

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 7:52 PM

Steve, it's all around teh internets (to quote on of your PS3 fanboy links), Halo 3 rocks.

By the way hows the crappy system, the petition, and the girls at blu-ray.com doing?

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By Paul Skinner

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 6:51 PM

"Halo 3: Not Game Over, But Awful Close"

Awfully

I'll be deep in my cold, cold grave before I'll let you get away with that.

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By yountmj

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 7:21 PM

Thank goodness there are those on this here 'net that still insist on proper grammar.

Maybe that will be included in the next version of Firefox. :)

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By rsx508

edited Sep 25, 2007 - 6:21 PM

I may finally break down and buy an Xbox 360 just to get this. I laughed at my Linux-nut friends who bash MS all day long, only to go home and play on their XBox for hours every night. Funny that they call me a MS-nut and they own one of these and I don't.

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By GCoder

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 5:31 PM

HALO 3 is worthless.

Call of Duty 4 OWNS.

Thanks for playing.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 5:44 PM

HALO 3 is worthless.

Opinions are fine, and Halo 3 may be quite worthless to you; however, Halo 3 is worth quite a bit of money, being that it has had over 1.5 million copies in PRESALES.

In other words, that first statement is flat-out wrong.

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By dvferret

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 10:11 PM

Yah, you definitely have a point there!

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 25, 2007 - 8:58 PM

He's gotta be used to it by now. ;)

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By eoswald

edited Sep 25, 2007 - 3:57 PM