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House Republicans try once more to break the H-1B logjam

By Michael Hatamoto, BetaNews

April 21, 2008, 6:52 PM

A letter from US House Republicans to the Speaker and Majority Leader of the House of Representatives urges yet another serious look at the current H-1B visa situation that plagues tech companies each year, which they describe as a fiasco.

The letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D - Calif.) and Leader Steny Hoyer (D - Md.) was scribed by Jeb Hensarling (R - Texas) and signed by 30 members of his House Republican Study Committee, a leading conservative caucus. It requests new legislation "within the next few months of 2008" aimed at increasing the number of high-skilled, legal immigrants into the United States to fill high-tech job roles.

"Every year, American businesses tell us how they are unable to retain the qualified people that they want to retain because of the artificially low H-1B visas caps and related regulations that do not reflect market realities," Rep. Hensarling wrote. "This situation is ironic, since most of these unemployable people were educated in the United States. As a country, we are effectively handing these highly-educated, extremely desirable individuals a diploma and a plane ticket. The message we are sending is, 'You can learn here, but you have to work in another country.'"

Issues related to H-1B visas has been a thorn in the government's side for several years, though little has been done to resolve the issue. Originally believed to be an issue related to illegal immigration, the caucus members hope Congress will separate H-1B visas and illegal immigration by "moving temporary, high-skilled, legal immigration reform legislation to the floor in short order."

During the previous Congress, the Securing Knowledge, Innovation, and Leadership (SKIL) Act of 2007 was introduced in both houses to help alleviate some of the current H-1B visa cap issues, but was never brought to either floor for a vote. The SKIL Act of 2007 would increase the overall cap from 65,000 up to 115,000, with a 20% increase in the number of total H-1B visas issued if the previous year's quota was met.

Although the SKIL Act of 2007 is currently stalled, the Strengthening United States Technology and Innovation Now (SUSTAIN) Act of 2008 is a bill that would raise the annual cap all the way up to 195,000 in 2008 and 2009. Sponsored by Rep. Lamar Smith (R - Texas) with three co-sponsors, Smith hopes the "emergency fix" will provide Congress with a large enough time window to fix the problems permanently starting in 2010.

"The American economy thrives on high-tech companies that require high-tech workers to remain globally competitive. H-1B visas are necessary to ensure that these companies have the resources and workers required to succeed," Smith said in a statement when the SUSTAIN Act was announced.

"According to an annual survey by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, foreign-born students holding temporary visas received 33% of all research doctorates awarded by US universities in 2006 -- up from 25% in 2001. Foreign students comprised 44% of science and engineering doctorates in 2006," Rep. Hensarling's letter said. "Yet in the last five years, the 65,000 H-1B visa quota has been exhausted nearly as soon as the applications became available in April each year, leaving tens of thousands of well-educated, skilled professionals with no choice but to work in another country."

Technology companies in the United States have had a hard time hiring skilled foreign workers, as the quota for H-1B visas has been quickly met each year.

The current cap is 85,000 total visas -- 65,000 on general H-1B visas, and 20,000 for an exempted group with master's degrees or higher -- with the US Citizenship and Immigration Services receiving more than 163,000 H-1B visa petitions during a five-day window in early April. The USCIS chooses the exempted group first, with the applicants who do not get picked being put back into the general H-1B visa lottery.

During the early 1990s, the H-1B non-immigrant visa quota was rarely met, but that drastically changed around the year 2000. This year, the US Citizenship and Immigration Service reached its H-1B quota for 2008 after just the first week of petitions, and probably just the first day of that week. The year before, more than 150,000 people applied, though only 65,000 visas can be issued.

H-1B proponents claim it's asinine to educate many foreign-born students at universities in the United States only to turn them away to job markets overseas. Intel Chairman Craig Barrett, in a statement before Congress -- which was just as gridlocked then over the issue as it appears today -- said, "It's clear that the next Silicon Valley will not be in the United States."

Opponents of H-1B visa expansion believe the program allows companies to shun American workers while at the same time paying foreign-based workers a lower wage for the same work Americans would do for higher. Another common criticism is that the STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, math) are losing popularity among American students as foreign ones are perceived to be grabbing their degrees.

"We're looking here at home, but many of our graduates in key STEM fields are over here as foreign students," a Sun Microsystems spokesperson told BetaNews. "It makes no sense for the US to invest in educating these people, have US companies further invest in them with training, and then have to send them back to some other country to compete against us because of backlogs or arbitrary visa caps."

Tech companies are walking a fine line when trying to recruit foreign workers to come to the United States on an H-1B visa. For example, Microsoft last year announced plans to open a software center in Canada, which may have been aimed at avoiding H-1B visa issues. The expected 1,000 employees of the facility will be foreign-born and would likely work at Microsoft's Washington campus if they were able to receive visas.

More recently, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates spoke before Congress, warning it will be "infinitely more difficult to maintain its technological leadership if it shuts out the very people who are most able to help us compete."

"Companies can only affect change through appeals to the government, either directly, or by informing voters of the costs of maintaining these restrictions," Cal International business professor Sebastian Teunissen told BetaNews. "The end results could be less sales and less growth for the companies and, potentially, a less favorable balance of trade for the country," he added, if current H-1B visa issues linger on.

But not all science and tech companies operating in Silicon Valley are having a difficult time finding employees to fill their ranks.

"My group hires people for positions in facility operations, engineering, technical project management, glass washing and reagent preparation [laboratory support services]," said Rick Seegers, Novartis' vice president of engineering. "For positions within my group, we can generally find well trained staff locally although occasionally we will relocate someone for a senior position. Generally we have not had to hire people requiring visas."

Congress has heard bickering from politicians and tech workers alike, and the 65,000 quota cap will likely remain in place for the immediate future.

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By Cee

edited Apr 22, 2008 - 10:49 AM

Since so many reports indicate that H-1B visa holders are actually unemployed or underpaid, there should be an objective analysis of income reported to the IRS and taxes paid - income and FICA - against the labor certification and BLS data before any changes are made in the program. The level of illegal unemployment and underpayment needs to be determined.

Compliance of guest workers to the tax code should also be analyzed. There are numerous discussions about guest workers claiming visiting relatives as dependents for tax purposes - even during years in which the relative is not present in the US. A valid guest worker or linked dependent visa must be a requirement for the dependency claim for income tax purposes. In addition, there are also discussions of allocating true earned income to both income and per diem expense payments to avoid income tax on the full earned income of guest workers. Individuals not complying with the tax code must have their visas revoked with prejudice and be prohibited from entering the country in any other visa status.

Employer tax payments need to be audited to insure all visas active to these companies are actually being used and taxes remitted to the state and national treasuries for the payroll arising from these visas.

Discussions indicate visas have been countered in the quota but are not being used. Some H-1B visa holders delay entry into the country for months and even years. They often hold other visas (L-1 or B-1) which they are using to work in the USA. There should be the requirement that the visa holder enter the country to work within a very short period and work continuously or the visa is cancelled and reissued to a available and willing applicant.

A guest worker should be permitted to have only once available visa option to prevent the switching between H-1B, L-1 and B-1. Since L-1 visas are not limited, someone holding and using this visa while having an inactive but valid H-1B is depriving a willing worker and an employer a visa slot.

All visa holders should have their qualifications and education fully scrutinized. Visa recipients who are changing status within the US rather than receiving their visa at their country's consulate seem to have a greater problem obtaining and retaining jobs yet they are counted against the annual quota. Visa holders whose spouses are also guest workers will avoid problems with their status during unemployment by switching between H-4 and H-1B status. This practice contributes to the misuse of visas by marginally qualified individuals and deprives a fully qualified worker the visa slot.

Lastly, protections for American workers must be a part of any guest worker visa reform! It must be required that employers recruit and hire qualified citizens and permanent residents before offering these positions to guest workers. A national database of openings for which guest workers are being recruited must be created and monitored to insure American workers are not being displaced for foreign citizens.

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By TarrantM

edited Apr 22, 2008 - 9:21 AM

I don't understand what the big deal is, you either allow corporations to import labor to the US, or the corporations will export that labor to another country.

So if you want the additional taxes and benefits of importing degreed and qualified people into the US, it's really a no brainer to support this as it keeps jobs in the US and increases the pool of educated immigrants coming into the US. It's a win-win; we get the smart ones from other countries and get to keep jobs here.

As for our education system - well in the case of nurses, it's not education, it's pay not being equivalent to job stress and the like. In the case of doctors, it's a case of the AMA monopoly controling the number of doctors produced from US schools. Neither of which are affected negatively by the H1-b program - which in fact works to alleviate the issues by providing a stop gap measure of nurses and doctors for the field. If you really want to solve the nursing shortage, increase their salaries. Failing that, increase the supply of nurses by using something like the H1-b program which circumvents the pressures of a closed market system by opening only one avenue to release the pressure - it can't work forever, pretty soon nursing pay in other parts of the world will outstrip that of the US and fewer nurses will come in on the H1-b program, thus forcing the US to address the pay issue. As I said, the H1-b in the case of nursing is a stop gap measure. It will work in the short term.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 22, 2008 - 1:21 PM

The problem in the example of nursing is partly pay..ie... a nurse coming out with a B.A. in nursing will make more than a PH.D in nursing who chooses to teach but the problem is not enough spaces in our nursing programs. Every year more apply to nursing that are qualified than are accepted by a huge margin.
Also, places like India now have in place a 2 year program to teach health professional all about how the U.S. health care system works and to teach them English and how to pass the Exams.

Finally, the influx of nurses from other parts has actually depressed wages for nurses and doctors in certain parts of the country.

So the desire is here but we need to work on the education part and, if we do, there will be less need for importing labor.

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By TarrantM

posted Apr 23, 2008 - 10:14 AM

The wage depression only works until it dips below the wages in other countries - after which people will stop coming to the US as nurses. So if you're saying that nurses coming in are dropping nursing wages, it must mean that our current nursing wages are higher than what it is in the rest of the developed world - which is contrary to what I've read.
In addition, if we were to educate more nurses here as you want to do, the supply would increase, which would drop wages even more, which would mean you can build as many nursing education institutions as you want, but unless they're paid well, even fewer people will actually go into the profession to make use of all those nursing schools.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 22, 2008 - 9:06 AM

The question is why we need these visas in the first place. Could it possible because we, as a country are not opening the doors to our High Tech Universities to all out Kids. Could it be because we are not doing a good job of educating our young children in the excitement of science so that they want to major in the fields we need people?

There is more than enough young people in this country to fill these jobs if we did a better job of educating them when they are young and through high school. If we did then we wouldn't need these visas and take the chance of giving away sensitive information and knowledge.

Let me give you one example- Nursing. We have a shortage and more and more of these positions are being filled by people from overseas especially Indonesia. Why? because there is not enough seats in our own nursing programs. We need to pour money into our education system and do it right and then there will be no need for these visas except for someone to cut your grass.

editor's note- These comments don't reflect the views of BN especially since we can pay people from overseas a lot less than from the US.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 10:22 AM

I actually agree with the general point. The values of the US society are a mess and it roots deeply. The temple is either the shopping mall or extremist religions (without even realizing it). Fed money is pumped into destruction (military & surveillance) at the expense of creation (research & education). Alcoholic beverages and slipping nipples are the greatest evil so keep those kids locked up for their first 20 years and brain wash them with lobby controlled TV and commercials.

Ooops... just remembered we are on a Tech site...

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By The-One

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 12:10 AM

65K sounds a little higher than needed, actually. I think we should reduce it. Especially when we're moving into a recession and possibly even depression (the housing market already is there leading the way).

I think we should wait until 2010 to fix the problem, our economy hopefully will be back on track with McCain in office. But let's not add problems to our economy right now.

Word to Congressional Republicans - stupid crap like this is WHY you were pushed out! Wake up!

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By sjc001

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 5:55 AM

McCain's slogan: "4 more years!!!!" That's 4 more years of Bush's policies.

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By mowiesny

edited Apr 21, 2008 - 11:22 PM

First off, there are ways around being tied to one employer. If a temp (contract) company holds a Visa for the person, they can work for any number of clients even other temp companies and switch jobs. If the job dries up they are free to start looking for another position. The temp company will start marketing them.

Oh and the argument that they pay taxes and social security is not always accurate either. If they are employed by a company in another country they are paid there. No US taxes taken out of their pay. Here in the US one company only pays another for their services. Now if we can get a tax on that you'd see a lot less companies looking to hire cheaper labor to try to save a buck.

Next. There is big talk of a lot of companies cutting down their IT departments. Chrysler is letting go 2000 in Auburn hills. Doesn't look like there will be a shortage of IT people in Michigan. Yet there are tons of H1B visa holders here.

I was making a good salary 5 years ago. Not today. I can't say I am hurting but I took a huge pay cut just to get a full time position.

So in closing as I step off my soap box, in todays economy where people are trying to make ends meet and keep their houses I think the government should be doing more to educate us less talented Americans (as they are putting it) and fill these positions with our unemployed. Our ancestors came to this country in search of the American Dream not on H1B visas but applying for Green Cards, applying for citizenship and working their tail ends off to squeeze out a living for themselves. H1B Visas aren't fair to the American worker or the visa holder. 6 Years and thanks for the memories.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 10:05 AM

Relating to this rubbish: "Oh and the argument that they pay taxes and social security is not always accurate either."

The H1B is about employing people IN THE US. As a result they will pay US taxes... (sigh...)

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By mowiesny

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 11:57 AM

I am not sure the exact numbers but I believe a large amount of H1B visas went to companies in India last year. SO answer me this. Why would an Indian Company need an H1B visa for an employee. Of course to contract to an American company.

http://infotech.indiatim...articleshow/2935321.cms

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 1:51 PM

So you think when Apple opens a store or IBM offers services in London they don't have to pay local taxes?

Anyway, I am the last to defend India in this context, which produces way too much quantity over quality resources in my experience. Get me more Central and Eastern Europeans (geographically)!

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 3:12 PM

Get me more Central and Eastern Europeans (geographically)!

...or Korean, Japanese, Chinese...

Damned near any mid-to-upper latitude 1st world nation other than the US...

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 3:45 PM

Actually - for some reason I have not come across talented Japanese developers above firmware level. Not sure why considering their engineering skills otherwise. Chinese I have by the boat load (yeah, bad joke...) and for sure they make up a good portion of those H-1Bs. Anyway, for design & problem solving (and I don't mean fixing broken PCs) I'll stick to my 1st choice.

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By xyzcb1

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 11:55 PM

There is NEVER shortage of labor, it's always shortage of qualify person. A lot of people look great in paper, but can't do sh1t. I am sure many of us have had and currently work with few of these.

I honestly think if you are good at what you do, no layoff will affect you. Unless the company are closing down, they will always find you something to do.

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By tscar13

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 1:53 PM

"I honestly think if you are good at what you do, no layoff will affect you"

So all the people laid off say during the tech bubble weren't qualified or "good"?

And all the people laid off now aren't qualified or good?

Are you seriously going to make that argument?

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By Second Shadow

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 9:57 PM

There's this one little BIG detail I seldom see mentioned when H1-B visas are discussed: it is moderately-to-very hard for an employee granted an H1-B visa to change jobs. They are relatively tied to the employer who sponsored them for, in general, a number of years. This may seem fair to the sponsor (who wants to go to the trouble of sponsoring a foreign engineer only to see him start working for your competition the following month ..), but also opens the door to abuse in terms of salary negotiation and working conditions in general ("You can take what I offer or else ...")

Just my 2 rupees, I mean, cents ... :)

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By sjc001

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 5:52 AM

I've brought this sort of thing up before about the H-1B program as well. It would be nice if the program were actually used for what it was meant to, but Corporate America found a way to abuse it for their own ends instead. It is just that some idiots on here just don't want to see this, or they just don't care since they hate their fellow citizens so much and believe that buying cheap crap is good. In the end this cheap crap will cost them far more than they could possibly imagine.

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By bousozoku

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 9:29 PM

Funny that my friend, a permanent resident in the U.S.A. from India with a Masters in Engineering couldn't get an engineering job because of his education but a large corporation can't get enough H-1B visa holders to do sophisticated jobs paying much less.

It's just big corporation/government-justified migrant labour with a nice name.

Tie the H-1B visas to educational grants and see the need disappear.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 8:38 AM

*laughs*

Yeah, the term "over-qualified" wasn't coined until H1-B visas came into existence, right?

Did you know the lack of pirates (not the digital kind) is directly proportionate to the increased global temperature? Must be related, right?

Of course not, but hey, if it fits your world view, who needs logic?

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By bousozoku

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 4:35 PM

You always seem to have trouble with your reading comprehension. Are you only here to make the rest of us look better?

The point is that the corporations will bypass paying someone what they're worth because they get a federally-secure way to dismiss U.S. residents.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 24, 2008 - 8:46 AM

These US companies are global. They compete against other global organizations in a global economy.

Wake up and smell the roses, man. It's 2008.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 6:42 PM

So (aside from the whole point about talent) of the remaining options what do you prefer?
(a) Corps relocate production to a different country where it is more affordable to produce
(b) Corps stick around, pay premiums without getting more back, become uncompetitive and fail

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By lazarus98

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 10:16 PM

Holly Crapolla... Someone who really understands what is really going on and how it works. the H1B program is a joke...

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 7:15 PM

A quick note before our underskilled racist gang kicks in:
One point missing from the article is that good education is very expensive in the US. Even if those overseas students have "no choice but to work in another country" they are making significant contributions to financing the US higher educational system.

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By sjc001

edited Apr 21, 2008 - 8:42 PM

If only that were the truth but it is the big corps that are abusing this program and racism has nothing to do with it. That is just an excuse to shut people up. This is a case of insourcing. They're getting too many complaints about outsourcing so they're trying to move their overseas operations back to the States and the worker from there as well to make things look better.

Like with outsourcing insourcing is a way to save costs at the expense of quality. Remember those lead filled toys for children?

BTW, when they say that there are no qualified American workers they actually mean that there are none who will work for next to nothing in pay as these foreign workers will. When they are paid properly there are plenty of American applicants.

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By preinterpost

edited Apr 22, 2008 - 9:58 AM

Your statement is against the stance of the Rep house, which I pointedly ignored to comment upon.

However, since you bring it up:
(a) Wages as anything follow supply and demand - a corps products and services, which generate revenue to pay those wages follow the same principle.
(b) To stay competitive in a Global market corporations have to consider global supply and demand. I personally never understood the pride in Made in USA since many designs originating from the US are rather crude (bigger is better). Adding this up the US is producing inferior products with a work force feeling entitled to be treated better.
(c) While cost savings are important (and public companies get sued by shareholders when missing out taking opportunities) most of my overseas colleagues are actually paid more than average US salaries - because they are simply better at what they do, more efficient and with a better work ethic.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 10:33 AM

Adding this up the US is producing inferior products with a work force feeling entitled to be treated better.

Apparently that entitlement is spreading to Canada...

- because they are simply better at what they do, more efficient and with a better work ethic.

Ego goes with the entitlement. sjc001 will never believe that a foreign "low wage" worker could ever be better than him. All his "low quality" comments make that pretty clear.

He'd rather import the low-skilled, uneducated worker to do the work beneath him for peanuts so he can do next-to-nothing for all the wealth he feels entitled to because he's "special".

Well, he's "special", that's for sure.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 21, 2008 - 9:07 PM

Again, genius:

Welcome to the Global Economy. They somehow manage to live and work in our country getting by on what they are paid by their employer.

If you were simply too full of yourself to take the pay offered, who's fault is that.

Do you honestly think they wouldn't rather pay an American citizen to do the same? Of course they would. People like you want more with the same effort...entitled much? ...or do you just like to b****?

BTW, why the **** do you even give a s***? You don't even frigging *live* here.

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By sjc001

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 5:46 AM

Of course you would support the abuse of this program. Retard. Quality suffers, but that really isn't a concern of yours, is it? Enjoying your lead toys and contaminated food?

As for giving a s***. Someone has to. It is quite clear that you, and your ilk, would sell your mothers for a dollar if you could. Is it any wonder that the USA is in such a mess now with traitors like you around selling it out cheap. And BTW, its not global when its your own companies doing it to you.

In most 1st world nations the USA is ranked at, or near, the bottom in quality of life.

What a tool you are.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 8:35 AM

Enjoying your lead toys and contaminated food?

You're so full of s*** that you are confusing China with the US now?

Quality suffers,

Proof? Of course not.

Same s***, different day. You've got nothing but BS...as usual.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 22, 2008 - 9:44 AM

I feel disappointedly under-entertained if you guys quit putting any wit into these threads...

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