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IE7 Beta 2 Receives Mixed Reviews

By BetaNews Staff, BetaNews

April 27, 2006, 4:38 PM

With promises of security, stability and tabbed browsing, Web users have been eagerly anticipating Internet Explorer 7. Microsoft released Beta 2 this week with great fanfare and a new Web site, but does IE7 deliver a next-generation browsing experience?

Read on for a selection of reviews from BetaNews readers and tell us what you think.

"IE7 has some good things cookin' for it that make it a solid choice for casual and frequent Web surfers. For one it is SAFER, by far it is quite safe...why? Because it turns off Active X by default, and it doesn't suffer from the same security flaws that plague IE 6.0 at the moment.

"The interface while oddly designed has nice features. The antiphishing is streamlined and handy, tabs are nice, and opening and closing them is efficient. The quick bookmarks panel is excellent and saves from the clutter of Firefox's bookmark toolbar. The default 'no page' page is easier to understand and mimics that of Firefox 1.5. Its rendering engine is much faster to boot."
-- eclipsingdivinity

"Works well for me. Nice to see the previous issue with Dreamweaver 8 (FTP Remember Site Settings) has been fixed with this release. Installation is a breeze, as is un-installation via Add/Remove. Windows Live Messenger continues to work after this release – I have found no issues there."
-- pjb

"Nicely done. I'm a hard-core FF user, but this is exactly what was needed for IE to catch up. Why did it take so long? Seems a tad slower than the OLD IE on systems without much RAM, hope they fix that."
-- mjm01010101

"Hey, it's looking better. Much more stable and feature complete than the last time I tried it. Ignore the remarks about security made by inexperienced users. Even if you use brand F and brand O, you STILL need to use an AV, Anti-Spyware, and firewall to be completely safe. Right now MS needs to take a serious look at Maxthon. Their tabbed browsing leaves IE7 in the dust. Other than tabbed browsing features, IE7 is becoming first class."
-- bobad

"Overall, I don't like it. I would like to be able to have the classic view. Also, the amount of buttons offered for the main toolbar. Either give us more options are offer sites that allow you to add them. I always liked the what's related button which isn't in the newer versions of windows/IE. Also, a lot of clutter with the context menu when you right click."
-- Browser12

"Internet Explorer 7 is way better than 6. You can have google as your main search. Go to google.com and click on the arrow google made for IE7 visitors and add it. IE7 is still in beta and has improved alot since the last builds. Hat off to Microsoft and well done!"
-- yankie

"The one thing I don't yet like is how it handles tabs. It's the same with Firefox (before you add tab add-ons), and with Opera, the tabs are limited. With Firefox with the add-on and Maxthon, you can have a tab open doing many different things. With IE you can't, you have to open a new tab manualy. I'm hoping an add-on or the MS will add this funcion to the browser. Otherwise I'm plased with it, its quick."
-- Hellcat_M

"This release of IE7 is not bad, like anything new you have to get used to it. I think it still has a way to go, it has potential, if they listen to the users."
-- minklein

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By John W

edited Oct 7, 2006 - 4:35 AM

(RE earlier post)Hi 2000 may be "old" but it is popular - I for one will not go the XP way. Both my other machines run Redhat now (users decide the software not M$) Fed up of paying M$ to have them dictate to me what OS I should use they seem not to understand backword compatability, until recently I worked on a school network with 120 machines running, yes, win98 120 upgrades to XP NO they will turn to linux to save the expense. Looks like three Redhat Machines for me soon.

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By robbi

edited May 5, 2006 - 12:59 PM

yo thank you

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By kckrazybear

edited May 10, 2006 - 2:27 AM

I tried it and at first was very happy but them sometimes when i go to a page and then try to use the back button it dont wanna go back to the previous page....Also every now and then it wants to crash on me . I went to the old version. Guess i like old better....lol

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By Blackhole8746

posted May 9, 2006 - 9:11 AM

Great browser, a bit buggy, that's ok though it's a Beta release. But next gen? No I wouldn't say that

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By Terumo

posted May 9, 2006 - 7:09 AM

Venter med spenning til beta 3 kommer vist det da ikke blir ferdig versjonsom kommer først da.
Alle som liker IE6 vil like denne bedre, og har flere valg i IE7.
Kan anbefales, men husk det er en beta.

Terumo

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By eclipsingdivinity

posted May 7, 2006 - 10:11 PM

Seems to be 'kewl' to pick on Internet Explorer and while i'm not a big fan of IE6, IE7 is such a bold step in the RIGHT direction. It's sad when I read comments on here and notice people don't have anything more to say other than 'WOW THIS TEH SEXX0RZ, FF is hawt, yeah..w00t'. Yeah, it's exaggerated, but I bet almost every Betanews staff member who has sifted through these comments has shook their head at least once due to the biggotry and ignorance of some of the readers.

IE7 is great, it's going to put Mozilla on their toes, and perhaps fix a few things that bother me to DEATH. Which is 'increase SPEED' because IE7 is hellah fast, and I feel like i'm driving a Viper when surfing on this thing.

when Mozilla puts out Firefox 3.0 with a retuned gecko engine, then I might see IE7 matched (we're not including Opera on this). But for now, Mozilla is all about customization, and that is why i'll always embrace Firefox as well.

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By Morsel

posted May 7, 2006 - 6:33 PM

Overall, I think it's a step in the right direction. I am no entirely sure about the new menu. For a Beta, it is pretty stable, but compatibility is not quite there yet. Quote: 6.8/10.

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By Tom Ingram

edited May 6, 2006 - 1:11 PM

IE7 had a lot of hype. I, like most people, hoped that they would fix the problems. You know what we get? They completely screwed up the interface to make it look like something new in order to mask the fact that it's not. It's CSS support still leaves much to be desired. It is essentially an IE6 with tabs.

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By daduia

edited May 5, 2006 - 7:35 AM

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By soots

posted May 5, 2006 - 1:29 AM

ok ,so what we on about in 1e7, /...ie6,has more to offer,,so what m.s/someone closed the door before they started to think come on you can do better than this,liesten to the people of the world

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By RawGutts

posted May 4, 2006 - 7:00 AM

This is still a piece of crap program. I can't belive I gave M$ another shot..

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By TomA102210

posted May 4, 2006 - 9:57 AM

"This is still a piece of crap program. I can't belive I gave M$ another shot.."
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For Pete's sake, it's still beta. Don't like it? Don't use it and move on.

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By johannhauser

edited May 3, 2006 - 9:53 PM

MSHTML.DLL Crashes, IE7 and Google Desktop:

Disable index web history in Google desktop search.

Read here:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/...e/2006/03/22/87289.aspx

Good luck!

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By AlternateAthos

posted May 3, 2006 - 1:05 PM

I like it OK... but I missed the menu bar and tried to add it back by selecting the show menu bar option. The menu appears in the MIDDLE of the two icon toolbars and cannot be moved.

That makes it look b*tt ugly. So ugly that I stopped using it.

Needs more work boys.

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By Habenaro

posted May 10, 2006 - 8:19 AM

I agree, I'd also like to be able to put my links on the bar but I'm either missing something or they didn't add that feature.

I'm back to FF for now.

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By Floske Tuf

posted May 3, 2006 - 3:41 AM

I have been using the Beta2 since it came out.
So far so good - I have nothing to complain about.
It's a good browser that lets me do what I want to do.
It is going to stay on my machine, thanks MS !

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By bogascorp

posted May 2, 2006 - 3:10 PM

IE is the best Browser to see web content! They appear as they should be! IE also has ActiveX which it’s very useful. Personally I like IE7 very much and it actually loads pages quiet fast. I’m looking forward for the Final version.

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By Jose

posted May 8, 2006 - 5:24 AM

"IE is the best Browser to see web content! They appear as they should be!"

sorry dude, that's simply not true...
CSS support is not proper implemented yet.

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By Secret Agent Man

posted May 7, 2006 - 12:45 PM

Not the greatest for web content when it can't do things like process CSS properly.

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By deciphering

posted May 2, 2006 - 10:16 AM

I don't really like the looks in IE7.. It looks a bit wannebe to me. And I find Opera 9 Beta faster than IE7 Beta 2..

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By spear^se

edited May 2, 2006 - 8:53 AM

I like IE 7 because it do work and dont lock up like
Firefox does for me at anytime and it also shows most sites as i want it to be shown also easy to use compared to Opera that i think work in way to strange ways :) but i dont think i would be useing IE if Firefox just worked right after version 1.3 or something Firefox simply dont work good for me.

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By poedgirl

edited May 1, 2006 - 11:45 PM

IE7 is crap. It constantly asks you to allow it to run an ActiveX control. If you say yes once, STOP ASKING!

Also, if you turn off the asking, it puts a bar at the top that says "Your computer is at risk". NO IT ISN'T. This bar is also impossible to get rid of.

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By Ickypoopy

edited May 6, 2006 - 10:30 AM

It does that because they were threatened with a patent suit. The webpage can no longer start plug-ins that interact with the user automatically. So you either have to click them, or hit OK on a dialog (depending on how it is embedded into the page).

There is a good chance something similar will be added to all browsers in the near future. Aren't lawsuits great?

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By CyberDoc999

posted May 1, 2006 - 4:45 AM

IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!
maybe it will grow on you like mold. I went back to FireFox.

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By TomA102210

posted May 1, 2006 - 10:53 AM

"IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!"
--------------------------------------------
Why is it not all that great? Why do you not like it?

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By dramoth

posted May 1, 2006 - 3:40 AM

I gave it a run the other week to see what all the fuss about the eolas thing was... It is possibly the best MS browser that I have seen.

It is quite quick compared to the rest of the IE family and is slowly catching up with the rest of the crowd in features.

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By CyberDoc999

posted May 1, 2006 - 4:45 AM

IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!
maybe it will grow on you like mold. I went back to FireFox.

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By seanb6

posted Apr 30, 2006 - 4:58 PM

I decided to test IE7 the other day, and i was amazed at how well they fixed it. I could barly even run it when it was BETA 1. So I decided to give it a try....
At the moment everything runs well its interface takes a day of getting used to, which i think is going to hurt its popularity a bit. And also the security, is going to hurt its share its a bit to much. Which will get users pissed off, i knw i have but because most pages are made for ie i use it anyways.

ITs looking good, still no firefox but getting there.

Opera is the best out of all of them because how it css support(about 99.9% of the pages appear the way they should be), even though I love firefox and i am going to stick with it, because it saved me a couple of times.

I really think all the companies should come together and create one great internet browser... Because if you take all there good parts and put them togther you will create a really good browser, and with all there large teams, they could stop the security issues right away.

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By tscar12

edited Apr 30, 2006 - 2:16 PM

Iamsdawg- mshtml.dll is a modiule that contains HTml viwing capabilities. Odds are that there is a problem with your module. Go to microsoft and in the search box type mshtml.dll. This will bring up a patch that you can install. If that doesn't work, then look for the file to re-install and that should take care of the problem. If it doesn't, then you may have a conflict with some other program on your system.

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By niti

posted Apr 30, 2006 - 7:12 AM

IE 7 is my second browser. As you estimate, First is FF :).

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By elibi

edited Apr 29, 2006 - 9:11 PM

Now I can get rid of FireFox! Firefox is overrated.

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By iamsdawg

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 10:12 PM

Everytime I install IE7, I get an error message that IE crashed because of mshtml.dll. I cannot find anything on this error, but with both the preview versions and the beta, it crashes. Anyone else have this problem?

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By tscar12

edited Apr 29, 2006 - 3:05 PM

Gawd21- no need to attack anyone on a personal leval, that adds nothing to the discussiion. I happen to have a brain and anyone who has an ounce of common sense as a well as a brain, would be careful. There's always someone out there smarter than you and only a fool would think otherwise. I choose my sites carefully but sites can be compromised even this one.

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By tmosdell

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 10:32 AM

Internet Explorer 7 has taken a step in the right direction. I think that there sould have an option to have IE 7 change back to IE 6 with all the same features in IE7 - like a classic mode. And come on, please allow it to be back ported to at least Windows 2000. I know that Windows 95 98 and ME are old, but it is better to have it for the Windows 2000, that way users will not have to upgrade.
I like to see what they plan on doing for the next IE release due in 2H 2008.

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By MtDewCodeRedFreak

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 5:48 PM

Win 2K is old too as well. Anything pre-XP is considered old by Microsoft nowadays. Heck, they even stopped making further service packs for 2K, also. Why do you think MS won't make WMP 11 for Win 2K too?

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By John W

edited Oct 7, 2006 - 3:47 AM

Hi 2000 may be "old" but it is popular - I for one will not go the XP way. Both my other machines run Redhat now (users decide the software not M$) Fed up of paying M$ to have them dictate to me what OS I should use. Looks likt three Redhat Machines soon.

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By hugh750

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 6:37 AM

I've downloaded internet explorer 7 a few days ago and had no problems at all with it, They just need to include the web page reload button that's in previous versions of explorer.

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By paulm

posted Apr 30, 2006 - 7:14 PM

hugh750, Um, what's wrong with using the Refresh Current Page button next to the X (stop loading current page button)?

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By Skyfrog

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 6:17 PM

It has the ugliest most clunky interface I've ever seen.

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By tscar12

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:01 PM

I would have to say the following after using the new beta:
1) I like the fact that an anti-phishing tool is built in. It seems to work but then I also use another anti-phishing tool.
2) there does seem to still be some stability problems with the trying to go to a web site and the browser freezing up.
3) On a personal taste issue- I prefer the old "back buttons" as oppose to the arrow set-up. The reason is that you could right click on the buttons and then choose where to go. On the new versdion you have to go to view then go to and, for me. this is a hassle.
4)Sometimes, especiallly when after booting up the system, IE is slower loading.

For all,though, keep in mind this is still in beta and the true test will come with the final release. As far as Clear type, I have a DVI card and DVI capable flatscreen and this has not been a problem.

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By gawd21

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:41 PM

Yeah, I too use a different and better anti-phishing tool, it's called a brain. Not saying anything against you, just that most people would be able to avoid anything if they just gave it half a seconds worth or thought.

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By eflaten

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 11:20 AM

The CSS support are not good enough. Its a step in the direction of support W3C-standards instead of sabotaging, but to many features from css2.1 are not included and to many "bugs" are still there after many years partying in IE6. Still lot work to be done and still webdesigners ahve to use too many working houres to get around problems that exist because of MS lust of total domination on the web.

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By Sa33d

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 2:20 PM

I do hope Microsoft turns "use Clear Type" Off in final release. It's really annoying and makes fonts look blurry.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 2:02 PM

I highly doubt they will seeing as the vast majority of IE7 users will likeyl be using LCD panels instead of CRT at that point.

It only looks blurry on CRT....as it was designed for laptop displays.

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By rijp

posted May 9, 2006 - 4:30 PM

Ah! so that's it.. I hate clear type, AND flat panels, they aren't useful for gamers, at all..

I will keep my CRT for a couple more years, until they FINALLY get a good LCD panel.

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By Sa33d

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 2:29 PM

It looks blurry on LCD too. It's fixable by turnning "Use Clear Type" Off in Advanced settings though. (Under Mutimedia section)

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 4:38 PM

Interesting.

Been using cleartype on all my LCDs. Looks fine to me.

Migth be that either I'm used to the difference between LCD and CRT, or that you are not.

Do you switch between the two frequently?

Most folks I know who use laptops or LCD monitors exclusively prefer cleartype over the old standard.

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By Sa33d

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 6:03 PM

You might be right. I switch between two frequently and I don't find fonts sharp enough on laptop or LCD when ClearType in IE7 is enabled.

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By jshurst

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 3:18 PM

I agree. I had posted that a while back and got the same advice from someone else here on betanews. Cleared IE7 up on my laptop.

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By GroovyMojo.com

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 10:26 AM

I am impressed with IE7 and I like it, but it's not going to replace Firefox as my main browser. The main reason is that I've got so many cool and useful Firefox extensions ... and they're all free! Go to IE7's "Manage Add-ons" > "Find More Add-ons" and what do you get? People who want to sell you the equivalent of what you can get for free with Firefox. I saw some add-ons for $299 ... I mean, come on!

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By Habenaro

posted May 10, 2006 - 8:27 AM

Windows is all about the money, did you expect it to be free? I realize that this IS beta, so one would think they would at least let you get hooked before they soaked you for the money, but I guess not. LOL.

Again, as I've stated in other posts, I'll go back to my FF for now. I only have to use MS when I do Windows update ... imagine that! FF has worked for everything else up to this point.

I will say that IE7 is faster than their previous versions, but I'm not liking the interface they've given at this point in time.

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By rijp

posted May 9, 2006 - 4:31 PM

Those are SPONSORED partners.. of course they are going to charge. IE wasn't designed with add-ons in mind, but that will change.

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By Merkuri

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 5:04 PM

Me too. I agree with you. I use FF because I've added 27 nice extensions and Outlook 2003 theme. :)

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By jshurst

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 3:17 PM

I noticed the same thing. I was very disappointed. Is anyone really going to pay for that crap?

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By AqLumen

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 9:29 AM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the drop down menus being off turned off by default. And even when when you turn them on they are place *below* the navigation bar. I find this extremely awkward. Only Netscape (not FF) does this sort of thing and from the feedback that I've seen, most abhore it. Also, you can't remove the search bar on the top right (at least I haven't figured out a way yet. Plugins are very awkward to say the least.

No thanks, MS. I'll stick with FF.

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By Intrusive_Rogue

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 9:30 AM

The title of the article doesn't seem to portray the content accurately.

The Majority of the reviews (6 to 2,)the Author quotes are positive. I would lean more towards encouraging (not rave, not excellent, not Positive.) than "mixed."

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By flake

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 8:26 AM

I've tried it out and I think it's pretty great. The rendering may be faster by some peoples estimates but even if that's true it seems to be made up by even greater reasource hogging which makes the overall experience slower for me (2.8Ghz P4, 1GB Ram).

To me it is more polished than Mozilla/Seamonky/FF and noticably more stable WRT memory leaking and general futzyness that I experience somewhat frequently with the moz team's browsers.

The improved security--we'll just have to wait and see. I miss the draggable toobars from IE6.

Seamonky will remain my browser of choice for now. I just resign myself to having to restart it every few days. :(

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By gawd21

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 3:11 AM

It doesn't do ftp like IE 6 can. I am looking at it again, but I am about to uninstall it again and never look back.

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By klingon379

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 3:58 AM

IE 6 can't do FTP very well. When I'm downloading Linux 4GB DVD images or 700MB CD images from any FTP site the download consistently fails when it's about 50% complete. It doesn't matter if I use IE 6, Firefox 1.5 or IE 7 Beta 2. If I use Free Download Manager 1.9 or any other standalone FTP client I don't have this problem.

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By gawd21

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 10:12 AM

The point is that IE7 doesn't do ftp at all, atleast my install doesn't. I have never had a problem with IE6 ftp, I have IPSwitch, but I like the folder view.

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By Budgie29

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:25 AM

klingon379 use getright

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By WebWarp

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 2:17 AM

"but does IE7 deliver a next-generation browsing experience?" --> No and thats the problem, they stopped the development many years ago, only security changes since, the only thing they have done is to "borrow" som code from mozilla in order to get it a little up to date, but when vista arrives a garanti that the development once again will stop .. so why not just integreat a third part browser.. ?

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By 4421

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 7:51 AM

Fonts looked ver good in the first beta.
New Fonts? New rendering engine?

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By GroovyMojo.com

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 10:28 AM

I noticed that too. The fonts look great.

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By FmlyRnn

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 1:55 AM

For a Beta, I think it has done quite well for me. I was an occasional IE user until this came out. Now, I use it everyday with no problems. Remember, it is a Beta!

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By chaznet

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 1:26 AM

Much better than the 1st beta. Tabs are nice, but Netcaptor (www.netcaptor.com) is still better in this area. Wish it could be set to just open all clicks, shortcuts, typed url's, etc in a new tab -- never a new window, and never change the exisiting tab.

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By rijp

posted May 9, 2006 - 4:33 PM

Netcaptor and Maxthon are NOT browser replacements, they are front end's for IE. Remove IE from your system, and see what happens.. They won't work!

They work in conjunction with IE.

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By ribslayer

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 12:48 AM

my problem was after i installed it, i could not do adobe cs2 updates, it said that there was no internet connection.. (there is my 2 cents)

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By Stephen_hazen

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 11:27 PM

I tried to use the link in google.com I got this alert:Antivirus Alert
The page you are trying to reach contains a virus.

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The object located at http://www.google.com/op...setie7defaultsearch.exe has been detected by BitDefender as a possible source of infection. To maintain the safety of your computer, BitDefender for MS ISA Servers has blocked the access to the specified location. An alert has been send to the administrator of the Microsoft ISA Server.

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By rijp

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 10:32 PM

IE 7 sucks. Firefox is a piece of junk. Opera has broken links, no add-in support. Mozilla is bloated, ..

So let's try a different approach, is there some product we can ACTUALLY say nice thingsa about?

Why so damn negative all the time. You people are so hard to please!

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By mmatheny

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 11:50 AM

Try Maxthon - a wrapper for IE that is what IE7 should have been!

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By Eeyan

edited Apr 29, 2006 - 3:40 PM

Agreed. Maxthon has far more than IE7. Anyone who hasn't tried it should take a look.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 11:43 AM

I say nice things about Google products all the time.

Some people just won't listen to reason, though. ;)

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By denmast

edited Apr 27, 2006 - 10:04 PM

IE 7 sucks. It is SO buggy. I uninstalled it minutes after installing it. Perhaps it may have something to do with having Visual Studio 2005 and Atlas installed, but given this is all Microsoft stuff, not too impressed. Buggy buggy buggy.

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By rijp

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 10:35 PM

Beta, Beta, Beta.

IE has nothing to do with VS 2005, they aren't even related.

I suppose Firestone Tires have something to do with Ford SUV's too huh?

Granted, MS makes both products, but not really, they have a programming team for EACH product. They all carry the MS name, but each one has their OWN programming team.

IE 7 really doesn't suck, I use it, I like it, doesn't crash, but since its BETA, maybe it my be related to bugs, huh?

You are a damn genius, stud.

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By Intrusive_Rogue

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 9:23 AM

"I suppose Firestone Tires have something to do with Ford SUV's too huh?"

ROTFLMAO

That's the perfect comparison. User blames equipment to cover up their own inadequate abilities, and willingness to think objectivly about what realy happend.

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By photonboy

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 9:55 PM

I like it. Some people complaing about being able to configure it more. However, after working in a workplace environment I've learned that most businesses don't want the interfaces to look different.
Now that I've gotten used to the basic interface with minor tweaks (such as Wikipedia being my default Search) I'm quite happy with it.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted May 1, 2006 - 6:41 PM

Doesn't wikipedia use google's search engine?

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By zridling

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 9:29 PM

Been running IE7 for three days now without a single problem. It's no Maxthon (IE7 makes Maxthon better actually), but it's way better than FireFUD.

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By klingon379

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 4:03 AM

So what does IE 7 have that Firefox doesn't? IE 7 is certainly not more stable or more secure than Firefox.

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By 4421

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 7:53 AM

beta software is not for use, it is for testing and early adopters

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By klingon379

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 2:24 AM

You're right, beta software is not for production use. I was simply asking why zridling thought Firefox was so bad when compared to IE 7 or any other web browser for that matter.

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By cranbers

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 7:46 PM

IE7 is the bomb! Thank you Microsoft for being so kind to get off your lazy over paid rear end and actual do something. The browser is so amazing, thank you for inventing TABBED browsing! That is sooo handy. Also thank you for being so innovative and coming up with an antiphishing filter. I know as soon as it's released to the masses, security and stolen data will be a thing of the past! Then you can go dormant again until you see the call of the big blue E in the sky! When there needs to finally be an update to our code due to our rivals coming out of the woodwork and stealing share we will be there, whenever there is a feature others have innovative we will be there! We are MICROSOFT!!!

Thank god for open source, the Anti-Microsoft!

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By wincement

posted May 2, 2006 - 12:15 PM

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

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By yohimbe9

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 9:33 PM

Wow, you've got a real chip on your shoulders and yet you haven't really said anything. Did you know that IE was one of the first browsers to have tabs? Sure, it wasn't native, but IE has always been easy to extend/shell ala NetCaptor. And I believe Maxthon has had it for a while, too.

As for phishing, did you know Opera, Mozilla, Microsoft and Konqueror have all been working together to help stop this?
http://www.opera.com/security/toronto/

I'm writing this in FF, btw. I just wanted to get some facts straight.

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By rijp

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 10:39 PM

Umm.. no dude. IE was not the first to have TABS. Extending a product, isn't the same thing. Those other companies made IE better, or more enhanced, but they weren't first.

Netscape had TABS first bro.

I remember, because it was a selling feature, but since Netscape was adopted by AOL a few years ago, people basically ignored it.

As for phishing, the browser community actually has very little to do with stopping it, security sites have a huge input, they reported it and are trying to get the browser community to COOPERATE with each other, so they can develop a standard.

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By yohimbe9

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 7:14 AM

Really, NS had it first?
http://en.wikipedia.org/...rowsing#Tabbed_browsing

I 100% agree that implementing it is not the same thing as extending it. But to me, as a developer, IE is a rendering engine (Trident) as well as a shell. Its one of the programs that MS makes where they don't care if people use it as packaged or extend it, because its still IE. Maxthon, NetCaptor and even Outlook are all IE/Trident. In hindsight, I'll admit my statement that "IE was one of the first browsers to have tabs" could be misleading on its own but I think I covered myself right away saying that it was NetCaptor that extended it.

As for your last comment, I've got nothing to say except what I said before. The browser community is looking for a way to help show people "good" and "bad" sites, and they're hopefully still working together to make a consistent look. Sure security companies might be pushing, too, but the browser companies are working as well.

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By styxrtp

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 12:10 AM

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!
READ THIS: Tabbed Browsing has been around a long time. Netcaptor offered Tab Browsing back in 1997. Opera developed it back in 1995 and added it in Opera 4 in 2000. Other Popular Browsers such as Avant Browser and Maxthon also had these features.
http://www.firefoxmyths.com

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By rijp

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 10:35 AM

http://www.pcworld.com/n...cle/0,aid,118770,00.asp

NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE! NETSCAPE!

WAS the *FIRST* browser with TABS! 1994, dork.

Don't argue with me about computer technology, a** wipe.

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By Kamika007z

posted Apr 29, 2006 - 4:06 AM

STOP TOUCHING ME!

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By PC_Tool

posted May 1, 2006 - 8:45 AM

roflmao...

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By styxrtp

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 6:28 PM

hey dips*it, the article that you point is about version 8. dumba**. Besides, Tabbed browsing wasn't implemented until version 7.0, which came out in 2002. Read this directly from NETSCAPE (f-cktard)
http://wp.netscape.com/e.../relnotes/7pv1.html#new

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By SorenMD

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:12 PM

dont argue with RIJP he knows his stuff!

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By gawd21

posted Apr 30, 2006 - 8:11 PM

Once he said that he was 17 years old, but then, the other day, he said he had been working with computers for 25 years.

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By morriscox

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 12:31 PM

"Don't argue with me about computer technology, a** wipe."

Why not? Just how long have you been online? Tell us your credentials, so we can determine whether or not your statement has any value to it. Put up or shut up.

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By yohimbe9

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 11:48 AM

Whew, thought I was going crazy there. Didn't realize you were trolling. Thanks for making it more obvious.

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By canv15

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 11:34 AM

I thought the FF guys copied netscape. I saw an article in wired magazine about that.

http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/firefox.html?pg=1&topic=firefox&topic_set=

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By TomA102210

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 10:52 AM

WAS the *FIRST* browser with TABS! 1994, dork.

Don't argue with me about computer technology, *******
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Why not simply post your comment without all the emotion. Cite your source and make a statement that is not so vitriolic.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 11:40 AM

You new here?

This is classic rijp, man, No amount of cajoling, soothing, or sense will ever cause this man to waver from his chosen path of giving people as much sh1t as he possibly can.

He's like the post that way...

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By yohimbe9

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 11:49 AM

I generally don't remember the names of people online so I didn't realize he was trolling until his last post.

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By gawd21

edited Apr 28, 2006 - 4:15 PM

You would have to remember PC_Tools, Gawd21, fewt, rijp, and several others as we are the worst on here, but we do have points that are valid from time to time.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 4:39 PM

Yeah, just gotta catch us on the days we remember to take our lithium. ;)

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By gawd21

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 4:44 PM

LMAO, I thought it was Prozac or however it is spelled.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:10 PM

Amazingly...you spelled it right.

...I know...we're all stunned.

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By gawd21

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 5:47 PM

Thanks... *Bows head with smile trying to hide it*

LOL NO I use Spell check 90% of the time, I didn't that time I was in a hurry.

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By PC_Tool

posted May 1, 2006 - 8:45 AM

...and you see where *that* got you.

If it's worth doing, man...it's worth doing right, eh? ;)

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By klingon379

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 4:21 AM

Whoever created this "Firefox Myths" website you mentioned is obviously biased. IE 6 being faster than Firefox? Between Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, IE 6 and Firefox, IE 6 is by far the slowest in regards to rendering speed.

As for ActiveX not being a major security problem, by default IE 6 installs certain types of ActiveX controls without asking. What if one of these ActiveX controls contains malicious code?

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By 4421

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 7:54 AM

IE7 is fast

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By Frostek

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 8:31 AM

Did anyone read the guy's comments at all?

He was piling on the sarcasm and you all missed it.

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By Das mod

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 7:09 PM

relax people RELAX ...
It's all been said before, IE7 brings nothing innovative, is just copy-cating and including features from all the browsers out there ...
and just because some of you get all
"OPINIONATED" doesnt mean BN will make a new article to include the newer posts.
So if you have nothing "innovative" to say ....
just STFU

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By rijp

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 10:42 PM

Breathe in -sspppphhh-, breath out -wooosh-.

Calm breathes, relax, think about nice things (Eva Mendes in a bikini on a beach, PC_Tool quietly sipping coffee and keeping silent about google comments, driving my Cayenne Turbo on the autobahn, listening to some Tool blasting on my 1000 watt stereo, dual 12's, kicking back, crusing, making Vega's plans for the annual 4th outing)... Ah much better.

OK, *NOW* you all can STFU!!

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 28, 2006 - 11:38 AM

"PC_Tool quietly sipping coffee and keeping silent about google comments"

roflmao..

Dude...I *really* would rather *not* be in your dreams. mmmmKay?

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By dvferret

posted Apr 27, 2006 - 8:05 PM

yet your wrong, not to mention you said absolutily nothing innovative.

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