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Internet Explorer 7 Final Released

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

October 18, 2006, 11:00 PM

Microsoft late Wednesday released the much-anticipated final version of Internet Explorer 7, the first major update to the market-leading Web browser in five years. The company has high hopes for the release, which arrives amid growing competition from Firefox.

Microsoft plans to deliver IE7 to all Windows users via Automatic Updates beginning in November. IE product manager Gary Schare told BetaNews last week that the rollout would be staggered and start in about 3 weeks.

Windows users will see a dialog box asking them to choose whether or not to upgrade. Users can also uninstall IE7 and revert back to IE6 if they so desire. Schare said that IE7 is "friendly," noting that it won't take over as the default browser, and it will migrate current search settings, so Windows Live Search will not necessarily be the default search provider.

Enterprise customers will have until November 1 to block IE7 if they don't want their employees to see the available update. Because the new release introduces major changes to the browser, Microsoft acknowledges that some businesses may encounter problems and, thus, will not force an upgrade.

First announced over 20 months ago by Bill Gates, IE7 was built with security in mind. IE6 has largely proven to be Microsoft's Achilles' heel when it comes to security, as it was developed before the onslaught of online attacks that now delude consumers as they surf the Web.

In turn, IE7 includes a number of new features such as a built-in Phishing Filter and ActiveX controls that require manual activation to keep users protected. Under the hood, Microsoft has rewritten the networking architecture of the browser to stop URL spoofing attacks.

IE7 will also play a key role in bringing Windows into the so-called "Web 2.0" era, in which rich applications can reside on a server but feel as snappy as those on the desktop. The release natively supports asynchronous JavaScript and XML, better known as AJAX, along with including a slew of CSS bug fixes and improvements.

Microsoft has additionally built a new RSS feed platform directly into IE7. Not only will users be able to stay up to date by subscribing to Web sites, but application developers can also hook into the platform and easily make use of RSS APIs.

On the outside, IE7 has joined the 21st century with tabbed browsing and a customizable search box. Rivals Firefox and Opera have long offered such functionality, as have IE-based browsers including the popular Maxthon. The toolbar has also been compressed to give more space to Web sites.

Despite all the changes, Microsoft has made a concerted effort to ensure IE7 is compatible with the latest Web standards while leaving in "quirks mode" for older sites. This means users should come across few problems when browsing even those sites that were designed for legacy versions of IE. The company has worked closely with banks and e-commerce sites to make sure IE7 is fully supported.

In a blog posting, IE general manager Dean Hachamovitch thanked the beta testers that took part in the development of IE7. Five betas and a release candidate were made available to millions of users worldwide.

"With each release, your feedback helped us make IE7 better. Your contributions, ideas, and direct comments were crucial in helping us prioritize and focus our work," he said. "I can’t imagine delivering this product without the tremendous cooperation we enjoyed from so many of you as well as developers and partners."

For those who don't want to wait for the automatic update to arrive, IE7 is available for download now in English for Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows Server 2003 and x64 Editions of Windows.

In 2-3 weeks, Arabic, Finnish, French, German, Japanese, and Spanish language versions of IE7 will arrive. The remaining 17 languages will become available between November and January, Microsoft said.

To show how committed it is to the new release, Microsoft is offering free phone support to IE7 users for the next year. Users can call (866) 234-6020 regarding download or installations issues and receive assistance at no charge seven days a week.

Nonetheless, Microsoft's Hachamovitch says the IE team is not done yet. "Even as we put the finishing touches on Windows Vista and release all the remaining language versions of IE7, we have already started work on the next versions of Internet Explorer."

BetaNews would like to hear your thoughts on the new release, and ideas for features you would like to see in the next release of Internet Explorer so that we can pass them onto Microsoft. Post your comments below.

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By DanH20

edited Nov 3, 2007 - 11:44 PM

When explorer up dated 2 days ago, I now have no proper tool bar, and I can't do much with it anymore. I wish I could have the old one back.

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By zakksangyl

edited May 23, 2007 - 3:10 PM

IE 7 keeps freezing up on me.It says it isn't responding then locks up.Then i have to sign all the way back into where i am and get there again.

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By mt2228

edited Feb 21, 2007 - 9:27 PM

My Setup:
IBM Intellistation A Pro, two Opteron 250's
WinXPpro, ALL available updates installed.

Just installed IE7. Random crashes !!! Crashes EVERY TIME upon exit.
Uninstalled once, just to find out that the IE6 was still there. However, the IE6 was now crashing as well. Upgraded to IE7 again. No help.

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By tucsontruck

edited Jan 28, 2007 - 11:16 PM

I can't open pdf files using IE7 on any computer I have but can view with no problem using IE6 I kept on one computer.

This includes web sites I've built and other I've visited. This is a BIG problem.

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By jaydee153

edited Aug 28, 2007 - 12:56 PM

Same here with pdf files. Can't get them to open in IE7. What gives? What is the fix for this? Thought it had to do with current add-ons being disabled, but my Acrobat add-ons are all enabled! In "manage add-ons", there is no option other than enable or disable. Will try to get update to fix it.

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By 1telio

edited Dec 20, 2006 - 12:16 PM

Why do I get the GetProcessimagefile.ddl could not be located. Is there any way to fix it?

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By peterdw

edited Nov 30, 2006 - 9:20 AM

Since installing IE7 the spell checker in Outlook Express won't work. What has happened to 'print preview in IE7 and the file menu? Is it hidden? Also I have problems with http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ before with IE6 the grid reference of mouse cross hair on a map would show in the bottom left corner of the frame, but now it just says 'Done' which is not a lot of use. Anyone any idea what might be causing the problem?

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By 4d_05

edited Nov 23, 2006 - 12:06 AM

Has anyone loaded Vista RTM and had IE7 crash immediately. It basically opens and closes straight away. We have tried on 3 machines all being Dells with the same results, I assume it is a driver issue.

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By ac colquahoun

edited Nov 21, 2006 - 8:09 AM

I am totally frustrated by IE7. REPEATEDLY I get the message "IE has encountered a problem and must close..." This happens in particular, when I attempt to download a PDF. Would appreciate advice.

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By mark19401

edited Oct 24, 2007 - 4:36 PM

I had the same problem. If I uninstalled ie7 it still crashed. I then did a clean install of windows and stuck with ie6 and never had a problem. I heard nothing but bad things about ie7. Good luck with it.

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By Judylynn2

edited Nov 12, 2006 - 11:52 AM

I installed internet explorer on my system and everytime I start the computer I get an error message:The procedure entry point GetProcessImage file name W could not be located in the dynamic link library PSAPI.DLL
I tried uninstalling and re-installing and still have the same issue. Anyone have any suggestions? I have now uninstalled it again and back to using internet explorer 6.

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By fxer

posted Nov 2, 2006 - 5:41 PM

Hoo doggie, IE7 has broken explorer.exe on my work computer, have to run everything via ctrl-alt-del. At least on my home computer IE7 just crashes when I try to open it, leaving the rest of the machine intact!

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By deepakkrishnan

edited Oct 26, 2006 - 9:10 AM

I like the interface od new IE and the new cool features given. But the browsing speeds are low!!!

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By udz2002

posted Oct 25, 2006 - 6:39 AM

I like the feature in FireFox that allows you to search a page by typing. I would like to see a feature like that in IE 7+.

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By drumcat

posted Oct 24, 2006 - 3:55 PM

What do I think? Meh.

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By trapezeer

posted Oct 24, 2006 - 10:51 AM

One of the features I like best about Firefox is it's search capabilities. I can right-click on a word (or set of words) anywhere on a page and it searches whichever search engine I have selected in my search box. No such luck on IE. I do like the RSS features in IE 7 though, but I won't be switching back to IE. The search functions, configurability, and the extensions are just too valuable for me; however, for the average joe user, it's probably quite adequate.

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By Babayaga

posted Oct 24, 2006 - 10:23 AM

Good enough but I prefer to stay with Opera that is more light and quick, IMHO.

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By gfotion

posted Oct 23, 2006 - 7:12 PM

I just talked with Hewlett Packard and IE7 is still NOT compatible with HP Director (the program hundreds of thousands of people use with their HP all in one printer/scanners). Supposedly HP is working on this. I use my scanner too much to gravitate to IE7 at this time. IE6 is just fine for now

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By djbaker73

edited Jan 13, 2007 - 9:35 PM

I have just spent quite a bit of time at my parents trying to figure out why her HP Director and all in one is not working. Finally figured out that she recently updated to IE7 and have now found this web site thread cofirming that it is a software conflict. I will not be updating to IE7!

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By bugmenot

posted Oct 22, 2006 - 1:43 PM

"Microsoft has made a concerted effort to ensure IE7 is compatible with the latest Web standards ..."

maybe they should have focused on the first webstandards, first

I can't believe they "finished" this browser (and IE6, 5 years ago) and still haven't finished support for HTML -- that's right, IE doesn't support the most basic web standard. It has one element left out: the Q element.

If it had had that fixed, I would have recommended it -- oh, well ... back to persuading everyone to use standards-compliant browsers again.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Oct 23, 2006 - 3:57 PM

The deprecated one you mean?

If lack of support for the Q element is your biggest problem with IE7, man, you've got it made.

Of course, I am upset that it no longer supports Gopher :P

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By gawd21

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:13 PM

Did they ever fix the ftp folder view? It's point less as most clients don't want to buy another program to do FTP when IE6 does it great and in folder view. I won't use IE7 as it crashes to much and I don't think they fixed the FTP folder view. I like FF, but hate that it crashes on Yahoo some times.

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By randal2k

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 1:20 PM

took over as default on my machine, had to set Firefox back as default, but other then that, worked as advertised. The ability to close the first tab, (to blank it out) would be great.

[use and installed - cause i work for an ISP and need to know about it.]

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By gognus

edited Oct 20, 2006 - 10:41 AM

Iwant IE7

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By jbaltz69

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 11:45 AM

They sped it up quite a bit from RC1. I like it.

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By TomA102210

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 10:16 AM

Works as designed. Download and installation were without incident.

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By DaveBG

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 10:16 AM

2 days with IE7 - i am staying that way from now on :)
/adding to OS Ghost image :)

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By carstereos

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 4:52 AM

pwned goto www.ie7.com

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By The Man

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 8:38 AM

that's funny
:-D

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By HurricaneGame

edited Oct 20, 2006 - 3:32 AM

rofl @ ppl hating

if it was firefox they're like OMG BEST BROWSER.. bet most people didnt even try this.

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By deminicus

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 9:20 AM

thats cuz people love to have that elitist antimainstream mentality. i for one don't have any brand loyalty, makes it easier to switch to whatever the next best thing .
though ff 2.0 is almost complete, be fun playing with both to see which is nicer. also there is always opera

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By uberfly

posted Oct 23, 2006 - 7:05 PM

Reminds me of MAC types who claim to be "thinking different" then happily get led around by Apple in every aspect of computing. How "alternative" can you be when you're the infant and your daddy is Apple Inc.

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By utomo

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:40 PM

There is already bugs in the IE7 outlook express parts. It need to be fixed.
and I suggest that Microsoft Release new Windows XP which included IE 7.01 and some security patch.
it will make microsoft name better.

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By beatles1050

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 10:43 PM

On 10/18/06, I downloaded IE7, as prompted by my Yahoo web site. Everything worked fine, except when I went to Yahoo mail. The tool bar to use spell check, font size, happy faces etc, format, was not available. I called the 1-866-234-6020 number and told the person what I told you, and they insisted there would be a $35 charge. According to a SBC technician, Yahoo and Nicrosoft have not come together on this issue. So, I guess, install at your own risk. And, I can NOT find how to unistall IE7 as they say.

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By TomA102210

edited Oct 20, 2006 - 12:58 PM

"And, I can NOT find how to unistall IE7 as they say."
---------------------------------------
Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs. Setting a restore point before installation is also a good idea.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 1:25 AM

Wait until Yahoo fixes the site.

In the meanwhile, I recommend GMail. ;)

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 3:28 AM

Gmail is ok, but I like inbox.com better. 5gb space for both email and Storage (yes I said storage for mp3's, photo's or anything), no ad's, pop3, notepad and more. It's also free.

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By steevio

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 12:12 AM

To uninstall IE7 go to Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Add/Remove Windows Components. Good luck.

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By GhoS

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 9:40 PM

IE7 works fine here. The worst thing about it is the UI though. Since it tries to put Vista design into XP and personally I find it doesn't work.
Maybe if I use it a bit I might get used to it, but FF still has me won for the most part.
At least its an improvement from IE6 and finally has Tabs built-in.

What's amazing is the favicons seem to be working fine for me again. They haven't worked for quite awhile in IE but now they do. It may be a small feature but it helps in the overall presentation and being able to find bookmarks easier.

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By Arakiel

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 9:17 PM

Meh, its nice and all. Pages render a little better then IE6 for me. FF still has the one, free, perfectly executed extension which keeps me from using anything else extensivly...AdBlock. I haven't found anything else as effective or as easy to use in any other browser. Maxthon came close but Maxthon was flaky. Opera's adblocking wasnt as easy to use and IE has some really crappy addons that do a terrible job of it. So back to FF for me I guess.

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By Das mod

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 7:56 PM

ok people, move along already ....
choose a different article to post on
everything that needed to be said has been done so. ....

/feedup

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By fulger

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 5:41 PM

It does not open pdf pages. When I click on a link I just get an empty page - Acrobat does not open. I called the support line number and spoke to a customer rep. He said I would have to pay to get support on this issue! I challenged him, but he was immoveable. So as far as I am concerned, the 'free' support is worthless. So much for Microsoft standing behind their software!

And I think the new toolbars take up more real estate and are less customizable.

Ah well - back to FF.

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By txwizard

edited Nov 14, 2006 - 2:38 PM

The problem with PDF documents came to my attention immediately, and it won't go away. Although there are numerous posts about it, I have yet to see one that offers a definitive solution.

This problem won't go away, and Microsoft will _have_ to address it, soon.

Further research since I posted suggests that it is related to the tighter restrictions on the Internet zone. Following a suggestion posted at http://groups.google.com...cd67%23e7ea4165260fcd67, I was able to open PDF documents on a Web site by adding it to my Trusted Sites zone.

I am continuing to investigate.

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By LawMarkets.com

edited Nov 9, 2006 - 12:26 PM

I also found that PDF's will not open with IE7, nor is there any way to save or print them from the link even if you own the full pro version of Acrobat 7. This is extremely annoying when you've signed up on a site in order to access limited content, and when access is granted you find the docs are in PDF format and you can't see them because of IE's flaw. I'm a website developer and have to keep Firefox open all the time just because of this PDF flaw in IE7.
And I hate those stupid stars for "favorites" - they should be removable; you don't need them when you've elected to keep the file menu open.

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By niteinblue

edited Aug 15, 2007 - 2:21 PM

Guys, i just fix the pdf opening the blank page issue, you must add the site into the trusted group in security settings close ie and reopen always make sure pop up blocker is off any questions feel free to ask me, hope this helps

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By radiokrislee

edited Nov 9, 2006 - 1:00 PM

I found the same problem with Adobe here as well, I have the full version of Acrobat 6 and it worked just fine until the moment I installed IE7 now in order to open a pdf from a website I need to save the pdf file to my computer first then open it, if I just click the link IE7 just goes to a blank white page. I've reinstalled Acrobat 6.0 and still no luck. One other problem that start as soon as I installed IE7 is that it is now almost impossible to print from Word Perfect 10 if I'm lucky I can print once after that it just keeps freezing as soon as I click print even does that when restarting. I never had any issues like this until the very moment I installed IE7.

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By cleomail

edited Jan 23, 2007 - 12:42 PM

I can not print more than once with WordPerfect10 ever since I downloaded IE7 as well. I even got uninstalled IE7 and reinstalled WP10 but still no luck. Some remnants from IE7 are still there. HELP!

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By runawaylegalsec

posted Jan 29, 2007 - 10:20 PM

Cleo: Here's the link I used to fix the print problem with WordPerfect 10!! You may need to download another patch first - this is patch 4. Anyway, it worked for me!!! (= (= (=

http://www.corel.com/ser...t&pid=1153321379469

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By runawaylegalsec

posted Jan 25, 2007 - 11:54 PM

Hey, cleomail: I found a fix for this at work today! I don't think I have the link here at home, but I can give it to you on Monday if you want. It downloaded Service Pack 4, I believe, from the Corel website. The version of WP10 that I was running BEFORE installing the service pack was 10.0.0.718, I believe.

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By runawaylegalsec

edited Jan 25, 2007 - 9:16 AM

I have the same problem!!! It's driving me crazy!! I use WP for work and don't have time for this annoyance. Do I need to uninstall IE and go back to the old one? Someone please help! Thanks.

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By THZGryphon

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 6:17 PM

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf

Opens within the browser for me just fine.

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By LawMarkets.com

posted Nov 9, 2006 - 12:41 PM

I uninstalled Acrobat and reinstalled the latest version of Acrobat 7 Professional and IE7 still does not display PDF's. I am positive the PDF's are valid because I can access them with Firefox. I think IE7's failure to display PDF'S may be an OS integration issue - I'm using XP Business Edition, which also had some display problems with IE6, although not with PDF's.

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 7:27 PM

Works for me too, I don't think the problem is with IE. Have you tried reinstalling Adobe Reader?

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 1:26 AM

That would be my second reaction to seeing a problem like this as well. (My first would be trying a PDF file I knew for sure was valid and worked .)

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By zridling

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 6:05 PM

I love the new UI of IE7, but since Microsoft did such a poor job updating its CSS support, they took one step forward and two back in this regard. Both Opera and Firefox are the de facto standards for viewing websites properly now.

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By jbrick

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 5:21 PM

Installed IE7. Thank god I was able to uninstall it. excite.com and other web sites did not function, screen buttons did not function, pictures did not display.

Buttons are all over the place. the top take up to much screen space and there is no way to make it smaller. Wanted to get rid of Live search..cant get rid of it...Dont download this until they put a LOT of fixes in this.

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By THZGryphon

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 6:11 PM

excite.com looks fine to me, looks the same in both IE7 and FF. The top bar on mine is about 4 pixles bigger than FF. Live search removes for me.

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By zeeZee

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 4:03 PM

i already found bugs. the history does not refresh unless you change and switch back the type of history view. also i organize my tabs in a set order. i expect them to open exactly as i left them. ie7 fails to do this. firefox rc 3 is winning me over so far.....

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By Nottofar

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 3:34 PM

Great product , but it stops my hp manager desk top icon from working , and used to stop norton antispam as well , hope these are fixed because its easy to use , Terry

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 3:54 PM

its because hp manager and norton antispam are badly written programs. i cant tell you how many conflicts ive had with them on my users machines.

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By GrannySmith

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 12:30 PM

It's just a Firefox wannabe... just like Vista is a Mac OS X wannabe. IE7 may be competent (it's just a browser), but Vista is just the same junk with a new glassy interface (or old in terms of Apple)

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By The MAZZTer

edited Oct 20, 2006 - 1:47 AM

How could Microsoft afford to NOT give IE tabs? All the other major browsers have them. Firefox is just a wannabe as IE is as far as tabs go (I'm positive IE wasn't the first... but who was? Netscape? Opera? A non-Windows browser? Not sure. I think Opera might have been.)

And I have been using Vista, and I must say it is quite different. Unfortunately there are bad experiences as well as good... most problems come from UAC conflicting with older programs, but I except as more programs are written to be Vista-aware we will see such hindrances minimized.

I had a long rant here, but for the sake of your sanity I snipped all 6-7 long paragraphs out. I'll just say if you think all MS did is add glass, you're going to be kicking yourself when everyone is talking about how awesome amnd convenient the new search bars are, the per application volume sliders kick arse, wow look videos have awesome thumbnails, the start menu doesn't barf all over the screen anymore when you open it, etc etc etc.

I won't buy Vista when it comes out, if only because XP suits me fine and I don't spend $400 to fix what isn't broken. But when I get a new PC with Vista I'm going to shell out a few extra $$$ to upgrade that package to Vista Ultimate.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 4:55 AM

I'm pretty sure it was Opera. I read it somewhere a long time ago.

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By Ian C.

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 3:12 PM

Good game MS. See this BetaNews story:

IE7 Final Vulnerable to Old Exploit
http://www.betanews.com/..._Old_Exploit/1161275418

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By Jill_y

edited Oct 20, 2006 - 10:57 AM

These reports are technically inaccurate: the issue concerned in these reports is not in Internet Explorer 7 (or any other version) at all. Rather, it is in a different Windows component, specifically a component in Outlook Express
IE7 in Windows Vista is NOT affected by this bug

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie...rity-vulnerability.aspx

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By deminicus

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 1:31 PM

may give it a try till i get bored then spin the wheel again to see which browser is next.

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By JSchwage

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 1:05 PM

I knew I shouldn't have upgraded to 7.0. Now IE crashes every 10 minutes.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 1:48 AM

Do a System Restore, IE7's installer should have created one automatically.

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By baysail

edited Nov 5, 2006 - 7:46 PM

If you are using Norton Internet Security, restore WILL NOT work unless you turn off Symantec Protection in the Miscellaneous tab. Only then can you restore back to IE6.

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By 9i08

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 1:05 PM

i dont really understand it all, i have used all manner of browsers for a long time, purchased online with them, and still no spyware or viruses, i dont even use an AV or firewall, at all. My PC hasn't been reformatted in at least 6 months.
However I do have nearly every tracking cookie in existence blocked, and ads and the like.
Sometimes, there is annoying problems like IE not playing flash videos. However, justifies my use of 2 or more browsers, my belief it's good to have another browser as a measure because, quite frankly no browser works 100% error free, all the time.

So all in all I like IE7, this final version seemed to have fixed a previous prob for me -- re-opening new tab took an annoying 2 seconds.[i didnt count, honest] Now it is more or less instantaneous. :P

I just think it would be good if microsoft could justify some skin development, although i dont have any niggles with the current interface

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By THZGryphon

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 12:18 PM

I love IE7. I hate FF.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:27 PM

Thanks for the nugget.

Not that anyone actually cares, but any particular reason, or is it just a fanboy thing?

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By THZGryphon

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:36 PM

Everyone is giving their opinion...should they not? I love IE7, think it is great and have had no problems with it. I hate Firefox.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 1:49 AM

An opinion is worthless if there's no good facts backing it.

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:50 PM

what's to hate about firefox?
not pretty enough for you?

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By THZGryphon

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 1:59 PM

Hate the minor graphical differences in the way it displays elements on a web page (not standards interpretations, just graphically). I use it regularly to make sure sites I work on are compatible but I can't make it my primary browser. It is slow to open, and I hate the way the system menus navigate. I also prefer the IE7 implementation of tabs with the close button on the tab, and the small blank tab for simply creating a new tab. I do really like the implementation of it's addons, however they do not overshadow the main use of the browser, the displaying of web pages. It has not been denied it's fair share of use at my hand, it just can't convince me to switch.

Every site I visit works perfect for me in IE. I also enjoy good ActiveX implementations and do not fear it. I often visit the shadiest of sites in my exploration of the net without ever having a security issue.

I don't have any problems with IE, why should I switch? Just to jump on the band wagon so I can stick it to MS...er wait..M$?

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:07 AM

1) Firefox is closer to the standard than IE is. Microsoft is not the standard, no matter how much they say they are.
2) If Firefox is slow to open, consider uninstalling or disabling some extensions. Firefox is only as fast and stable as the slowest and least stable extension. Firefox opens in 3-4 seconds on Vista for me, partly thanks to Vista's SuperFetch, and that's with a number of extensions I could part with if needed.
3) Firefox 2 includes close buttons on each tab. Extensions such as Tab Mix Plus allow for customization of this functionality, and backporting to 1.5
4) Double click on a blank space on Firefox's tab bar to make a new tab. Alternatively, find an extension to place an Add Tab button on the tabbar.
5) You should fear ActiveX. You know Windows Update? ActiveX is allowed to modify CRITICAL SYSTEM FILES. This alone is enough to make me limit my IE use to ONLY Windows Update and no other sites. Now if Microsoft more strongly something like Java, which is purposefully sandboxed against programs gaining access to outside resources.

Oh look, Vista no longer uses an in-browser ActiveX control for Windows Update... related to my concerns? We'll see. I certainty can't think of a reason why other than security.
6) Every site works perfect in IE because every site was BUILT for IE. It can't ignored with it's large market share. But now Firefox is starting to get a good chunk too, and web developers are being forced to think about standards unless they want to lose 10-15% of their visitors.
7) Then you are either a) lucky or b) net-savvy enough not to click Yes to every dialog you see. Most users are not like you. It's also possible you decided to enforce stricter security settings in IE as I have.
8) You should switch because IE6 has been out for how many years? And how many vulnerabilities have been patched in it... RECENTLY? Too many. Hopefully with IE7 MS' new focus on security will help with this, but many users still run pre-XP OSs, and can't use IE7. As for you personally, Firefox is the most customizable browser out there, especially considering extensions.

I challenge you to install Firefox 2 RC3 and visit Mozilla Update and browse through the extensions. Search for a feature you've wished you could have while browsing, like say, a yahoo or google mail counter in your status bar...
- or an automatic ad blocker from heaven (AdBlock is pure awesome)
- or an extension to automatically update your ad filters (Filterset.G),
- or the ability to download multiple links at once with only a couple of clicks (DownThemAll!),
- or how about an extension that supports ~30 download managers and can redirect your downloads to your favorite one (FlashGot)?
- Don't like the idea of malicious JavaScript? Use a whitelist to filter out all except scripts you trust (NoScript).
- How about the ability to write scripts to change the appearance or behavior of any webpage on the fly? They can even alter the browser itself if you wish (Stylish + Greasemonkey)!
- Hate error pages when a website times out? Get TryAgain and Firefox will refresh it for you automatically!
- Do you work on webpages? The included DOM Inspector will greatly help with your CSS and HTML debugging... Console^2 is great for CSS and JavaScript debugging, and Web Developer Toolbar is pretty much the tool to end all tools for Web Development.

And here's one last one for you: Want to bring a piece of IE with you to Firefox? IETab can switch between Firefox and IE rendering engines on demand, have filters specified to automatically switch to IE for certain pages, etc. You don't have to trade anything away if you don't want to.

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 1:26 PM

"I also prefer the IE7 implementation of tabs with the close button on the tab, and the small blank tab for simply creating a new tab."

i agree, maybe firefox will adopt that feature soon.
i have nothing against IE7 except that it's not compatible with windows 2000.

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By huttman

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 2:11 PM

both of you are on crack. Firefox DOES have tha toption.

ctrl+T makes a new *blank* tab, and there IS a close button on the tab. its the one with the X on it :P

the only thing i dislike about tabs is if i hit the "home" button it opens up two tabs if i have two homepages set up to open when i run the browser, thats with either.

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By THZGryphon

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 2:44 PM

I don't know the FF keyboard shortcuts, and don't need to learn them with IE7, which it seems ctrl+T works also; so still not a reason to switch for me. With FF 1.5, the X is all the way across the screen opposite the tabs.

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By SuperFurryPhil

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 6:05 PM

Try middle-clicking on a tab to close it.

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By THZGryphon

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 6:15 PM

Yup, does that in IE7 too, still no reason to switch.

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By InShadows

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 3:44 PM

In Firefox 2.0, the close functionality will be contained within the tab just like it is currently in IE 7, instead of being on the far right as it is currently in FF 1.5. This has been implemented in Firefox in the early beta versions of 2.0.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 3:58 PM

i dont know what the big fuss is about, i love them both and would not be happy without both of them on my computer. the thing is about most ie exploits, they require user interaction or stupidity. therefor they arent so bad for me. Practice safe browsing and use a combination of web browsers and you can only enhance your web experiance.

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By mfaccone

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 12:28 AM

THE most irritating annoyance of Firefox is the multimedia aspect of it. It requires you to download and install Quicktime. I hate quicktime.. it takes over everything. If I go back to IE, it uses quicktime now instead of the media player.
Firefox alone is fine... with most of the addins it becomes one of the biggest spyware programs on the market today.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:13 AM

When I install QuickTime it doesn't take over everything. It tries, but you can stop it easy enough.

Windows Media Player doesn't either, but it tries as well. :)

Firefox doesn't require Quicktime. You choose to install it if you want multimedia content.

Also, you seem to not know what spyware is. Spyware watches you and sends back information you don't want known (in worst cases, usernames, passwords, credit card numbers, SSNs, etc) to someone with malicious purposes.

Quicktime doesn't fit that category. It's a freaking media player. You don't need to ever run the Quicktime Player if you don't want to. The browser plugin can actually handle a decent array of file formats. The WMP plugin Microsoft provides can only handle Microsoft formats.

If you expect another multimedia player for Firefox, you will have to make one. Because MS certainty isn't going to give Firefox a full WMP plugin. And the only other alternative is Apple. It's not Mozilla's fault, they're a browser company, not a multimedia player company.

Oh, unless you use Firefox on Linux, then there ARE alternatives to Quicktime I believe. :)

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By Secret Agent Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:20 PM

Heh, brace yourself. :)

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By THZGryphon

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 12:24 PM

Fanboys going to change my mind? :p

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:28 AM

what?
no support for windows 2000?
guess i'm staying with firefox.
doesn't make sense for MS not to support their own OS. unless they're trying to force users of legacy OS's to upgrade.

sucks, i almost liked IE7.
:-(

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By wincement

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 4:33 PM

Ummm... MS doesn't support Win 3.11, 95, 98, or ME anymore either.

What's hard to understand?

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By T3chDad

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 1:08 PM

uh....isn't it 2006? :D

It makes since because maybe they're trying to coax hold-outs like you to upgrade.

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 1:29 PM

"maybe they're trying to coax hold-outs like you to upgrade"

s'ok
firefox isn't

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 7:29 PM

Why would Mozilla care what OS you use?

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 9:54 PM

i guess that's the point eh.

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By DaveBG

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:34 AM

2000?
Vista RTM is out in 9 days from now.
Then we forget about all IE alternates :)

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:13 AM

Why? I use Firefox on Vista.

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By The Man

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:54 AM

Vista?
bad enough i have to put up with the crap in xp, you couldn't pay me to use vista.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 4:00 PM

no but microsoft can, and will, pay other companies to make products that dont work on legacy systems, just like they did with xp. which i guess isnt a big deal to some, but others get all bent out of shape with it.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:06 PM

...but we're welcome to try, right?

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By huttman

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:18 AM

another reason to stay with firefox. no thanks

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 11:27 AM

What's another reason? You didn't give any at all.

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By huttman

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:00 PM

because there IS NO reason to go to IE. PERIOD

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:22 PM

lol, then there's no reason to go to Firefox either. In fact there's no reason to do anything! I'm going back to bed.

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By huttman

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 12:41 PM

if you compare the track record of IE and firefox, it explains it all pretty much. Understanding that IE has been around for a lot longer, but after so much time and still my colander I use to strain my pasta has less holes than IE, I will stay with firefox because of the LACK of security issues it has have in the past compared to even the most recent of IE.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:16 AM

Lol, nice analogy, but calm down. IE7 has had a security overhaul from what I understand. I tried about ~28 exploits for IE6 on it... Only 2 worked on IE7! :P A noticeable improvement.

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By THZGryphon

edited Oct 19, 2006 - 2:49 PM

While IE has a track record globally, it doesn't have one for me, I never have had any security issues. What are you doing that jeopardizes your security in any browser?

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 4:01 PM

clicks on the "click me!" ads

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 19, 2006 - 7:30 PM

It's not IE's fault if the user is a moron.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Oct 20, 2006 - 2:15 AM

I agree, except Firefox users don't have these problems that IE users seem to have. :^)

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