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Internet Explorer 7 Now Available to Pirates

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

October 4, 2007, 6:14 PM

Microsoft has released a minor update to Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP, removing the requirement for users to be validated through the company's Windows Genuine Advantage program. This means those with non-legitimate or pirated copies of Windows can now upgrade their browser.

IE7 was released to the public nearly a year ago, but has yet to overtake its predecessor as the most used Web browser. The removal of the WGA requirement is sure to boost install numbers over IE6, and -- as Microsoft notes -- in turn protect more users from security threats on the Web.

Although it continues to update IE6 for Windows XP with security fixes, the aging operating system is nearing the end of its mainstream support. In addition, IE7 includes a phishing filter that Microsoft says protects consumers at a rate of 900,000 times per week, along with native support for Extended Validation SSL Certificates to prevent fraud.

While the carrot-and-stick approach with WGA has been used to reduce piracy and catch unscrupulous resellers, Microsoft likely decided that those willing to validate their OS in order to upgrade to IE7 would have already done so in the past year, and those that have not would never do so.

Microsoft has made a number of minor changes to IE7 for Windows XP users as well. The menu bar is now enabled by default, and the "first run" experience and product tour have been expanded. An MSI installation is also now available to IT administrators.

Windows XP users can download the new IE7 release via FileForum, or wait for it to be delivered via Automatic Updates.

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By siacono

posted Oct 8, 2007 - 8:39 AM

Wow, this looks more like a personal opinion collection than anything. Remember alot of people out there are just "end users" and use what is supplied to them and what "Windows Update" provides them. There are people out there who have pirated versions of windows and don't even know it. I would rather see them use an updated version of IE than some old crappy version. Yes granted not all is perfect, but you know alot has been fixed and or updated.

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By pitdingo

posted Oct 7, 2007 - 4:02 PM

Been running Firefox on both Windoze and Ubuntu Linux. Got the same plug-ins running on both platforms. Don't have to worry about the browser crashing the entire OS, don't have to worry about all the insecurities by integrating the OS and browser.

Just converted another one of my friends over to firefox after i had to disinfect/clean his machine for the third time from all the spyware IE picks up.

Firefox is faster than IE too. So not only do I get the rich plug-in community around the open Firefox, i get better security. Win / win situation.

If you are using IE you are playing with fire and will get burned. http://www.firefox.com for best browser out there. Free yourself from the bugware that is M$ IE.

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By sturgess

edited Oct 6, 2007 - 1:52 PM

Been running it for three days, it's faster than my default Opera, it hasn't crashed once unlike Firefox. It loads faster, all the pages look better. Opera was my default, now it's I.E.7, my backup was Firefox now it's Opera.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 8, 2007 - 9:41 AM

I've noticed that Firefox seems to be crashing a *lot* lately.

Uninstalled all my add-ons, themes, etc... Still crashing 3-4 times a day.

I am seriously considering moving off of Firefox. Sucks, but they really need to work on stability some more. Seems like it's been going downhill since 2.0.5.

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By Mystiqq

posted Oct 6, 2007 - 1:41 PM

Anyways, who the hell would "pirate" this piece ****? IE goes nicely with their "image editing software" bundled with Windows, MSpaint.

What a joke.

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By Straspey

posted Oct 6, 2007 - 1:47 PM

Aaaarrrgghhh....!!

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By sacaripasa

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 4:46 PM

IE, never again.

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By Avion Airplane

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 10:12 AM

No thanks

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By Paul Skinner

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 7:57 AM

Where the heck is the MSI build?

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By dizzy_davidh

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 10:24 AM

The .msi version needs to be created for install using the also just updated updated IEAK for IE7.

When you create a build (customised or not) you get an .msi now as well as an .exe

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By Mystiqq

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 6:57 AM

No thanks.

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By DoHickey

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 5:26 AM

Is I.E.7 totally safe? no
Will anything keep you totally safe? no
Do all browsers have security risks? yes
So it's all up to personal preferences? yes
So what's to discuss? nothing
Rants only make you look as stupid as the comments above? yes

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By pitdingo

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 8:05 AM

Do some browsers have more security risks than others? yes
Are some browsers "integrated" into the OS increasing their security risks even more? yes
Are some browsers only available for a single platform? yes
Do some browsers have a history of major security problems? yes
Are some browsers more standards compliant than others? yes
Do some browsers push proprietary, non-standards on you? yes

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By sn1p34

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 12:49 PM

I don't know were you have been but IE7 is no longer integrated into windows...

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By Limulus

edited Oct 6, 2007 - 6:30 PM

Once installed it is; otherwise you have integrated IE6. Just try to remove IE completely from XP or Vista to see how 'not integrated' it is...

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By computershack

edited Oct 5, 2007 - 4:44 AM

[quote 'Registered'] "I.E. is coming a long way, but the fact is, as long as IE is integrated into windows creates a potential hole for attacks, "

IE7 isn't and runs in a seperate enclosed "sandbox". Please try to keep up.

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By ingram091

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 8:17 AM

Thatsnot really true. just try to uninstall it from Vista or XP... it is just not possibile... IE is never uninstalled from teh OS. it will revert to an old unsecure version if you wish but then you are really asking for it...

I just want it gone. No internet browser at all on a machine is ultimately the most secure... Especially on things like file and domain servers which need Nothing for web browsing typically... But because IE is forced on the OS those machine are at all times vulnerable to attack if not continually updated... That is a problem for some. others just think its their right to always be connected to a vulnerability so they can exploit others...

IE7 is OK, it does the job of securing the hole better then the predecessor, but it is not perfect either. Nor for that matter is Firefox, I will concede that. But I want that choice... and if there is a bug in IE I don't want to have to worry about it being up to date if I am not planning on making use of it.

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By Registered

edited Oct 5, 2007 - 3:48 PM

look i knew some people would think this, as i said before, IE is desktop, desktop is IE, if you take IE away then there would be no windows desktop, granted the desktop module is a different part of code of IE,

there is no way of taking IE out without destroying your windows, with vista IE7 has to stay,

with XP, IE7 does not have be used used, but IE6 does,

so, why don't you try keeping up,

as i said, there are many people who just believe that IE is just a WWW browser, and doesn't fully appreciate how integrated IE actually is in the OS,

which is why IE only uses a small footprint, but in fact actually uses a large footprint of memory, because as soon as the desktop is loaded, 85% approx of IE is now loaded,

and this is why MS has to rethink there design, IE gets damaged, windows gets damaged,

and that is a fact, MS is thinking if IE is so strong then it won't get damaged, but come on, IE will always have flaws, everything has flaws of some kind, (don't get me wrong, flaws can actually be good sometimes, or leads to something that is good), but having IE power the desktop, and also manage WWW browsing is just not logical,

this link should be cut,

windows XP, granted IE7 does run separate, but is still linked to IE6, the design of this app is actually designed from the ground up to be linked to windows, yes it does appear to be in a separate shell, but the shell is tightly linked to windows, if the shell is attacked then windows will be attacked aswell,

a 3rd party browser is the most recommended way for browsing the net, because you can guarantee that that browser has no link to windows what so ever, unless of course the browser has some bad API programming or holes, then this could lead to a potential problem, but only a minor problem, as anything through a 3rd party browser will only get so far in windows, then windows will block most attacks, because that browser does not have permission to alter any reg keys or other modules in windows,

but windows will allow IE to do this because IE does have permission to do anything pretty much because the OS has been designed to acknowledge IE.

the desktop needs to be powered by something that is separate to IE altogether, but this will cause many problems with application sharing, also windows would be unaware of what is going on from the browser side,

VISTA should of corrected this problem, but if anything MS has made IE even more integrated,

a bit like DirectX really, removing DirectX is out of the question,

well it's possible to a certain extent, but not 100%, it can't be, because if you loose OpenGL, and direct3D how will the graphics card talk to windows,

and if these don't talk, then how will you get a screen on your monitor,

and if you still don't believe this then just do this simple thing!!!!!.

BRING UP TAKS MANAGER, END TASK ON "Explorer.EXE", and see what happens, you will loose all desktop, and all context menu functions,

to get desktop back, just go file menu, run command,
and type explorer.exe

desktop will reinitialize,

so remember this,

Explorer.exe, is the main windows shell, IE.exe is just explorer.exe but with the Added Internet module running,
they are one of the same thing, just separate processes, so if Internet explorer gets attacked, this intern attacks Explorer.exe (registry, activX, .Dll files, or many other things that Explorer.exe needs to run), and this then attacks windows because windows can't function without Explorer.exe running correctly,

what i'm sating is, internet explorer should have no connection to Explorer.exe what so ever, but this would mean a complete rewrite of a OS, and also would mean MS would have to change there entire thought process, and there goals, and all there appz would need patches, and compatibility would no longer be there with the next version of that OS,

would be the 1st time in history MS would fully break compatibility from previous OS's,

but as Mac OS does this with nearly every series, i don't think it would hurt too much if MS just did it once,

after all, i can still run a windows 95 program on windows XP, that is a great achievement, but at what cost i ask,

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By Bugeyes

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 12:23 PM

File and Domain servers don't need the GUI install, you can install the stripped down server with 2008.

So you'll get your wish.

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By Terumo

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 3:49 AM

I have use IE7 now for as long it have been out, and no problem her.
So I stik to IE7, and I am happy whit that browser.
Fast secure dependable and show all website the right way.

Norway

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By ladylust

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:57 AM

Oh no!! The Pirates! Man I havent heard a true pirate since the atari 8bit and commodore days.. give me a break..

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By ingram091

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:17 AM

How about a tool to allow windows users to Completely and totally REMOVE IE of any flavor? Thats what we REALLY want. IE is to date still the biggest security whole on a windows PC. Even if you switch to Firefox your still vulnerable to IE bugs and exploits cause its still there.

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By Tenoq

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:06 AM

Interesting justification, but one has to wonder if they're worried about the increasing threat from alternative browsers like FF, Opera and Safari? None of those require WGA either - and are obviously the ideal option for those looking for a secure browser with a pirated version of Windows.

Release IE7 publicly might be a way to stem the tide... but when you consider how high FF usage is already (particularly in Europe) one has to wonder if the horse has long bolted. :P

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By Registered

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 11:50 PM

I.E. is coming a long way, but the fact is, as long as IE is integrated into windows creates a potential hole for attacks, if IE gets attacked then windows gets taken out, which usually means a non boot up windows, no IE, means no DESKTOP,

where as a add-on browser (Netscape, Firefox, or any other one for that matter) isn't integrated into windows, so a attack on the browser would not make it to windows it self,

i don't and never will think it's wise to make an important part of the operating system should also be responsible for browsing the WWW, this logic is flawed and clearly shows the idiocy currently still working at MS, internet explorer should be completely separated (isolated), and the desktop should run on a different system all together,

or the easiest thing MS can do, is design 2 IE's, one for windows desktop, and one for the WWW browsing, and isolate them completely (block all API sharing),

but unfortunately this is not going to happen for a long time, in fact, MS is actually going the other way, there actually integrating these modules even more, what with windows vista live search system which again depends on IE,

perhaps one day MS will learn but at the moment all there thinking of is application sharing,

no matter how strong they make the front door (IE security) someone will always find a key, or a hidden back-door

since IE 7 has come out, 6 security patches have been released for it so far, 6 !!!!

that is a message to say to everyone IE 7 is going to be like IE 6, security update... security update.... security update.... security update.... security update...

on and on and on,

5 more years of constant security updates just for one application alone, a operating system i can understand as a OS is huge, but 5 years of updates just for IE alone is a joke, and a simple message that IE should never be integrated into the OS directly or indirectly, IE should be a APPLICATION, so if IE fails or corrupts, fine not a problem, uninstall (preferably using a special uninstaller utility like Norton has) and reinstall,

and just in case some stupid people are reading and think IE is separate to windows, try uninstalling IE 7 on vista, or try uninstalling IE 7 & 6 on XP,.... oops, (sorry had to put this in, because believe it or not, on many forums, some people actually think this)

the one true fact that is indisputable, and that is a browser that is not IE will last a lot longer no matter what sites you visit, yes that browser will break, stop working, and infested with spywar and adware, but all the user has to do is uninstall the browser, delete the folder where it was installed, and reinstall, done, and that would be done in 3 minutes perhaps a bit longer depending on specs of machine in question,

easy peasy, try reinstalling IE when IE has become broke, in fact try navigating the desktop when IE is broke, all you will get is crash after crash after crash, and even if you do reinstall IE some how, the problems will still be there.... why you ask? because IE uses hundreds of registry keys to function, and these registry keys are not deleted, and used again when IE is reinstalled, and you guest it, that where many of the problems affecting IE are hiding anyway, so IE will still not work right after doing a reinstall,

i'm one of those people that like this simple concept

you have a car, and you want to protect your car, so you get a very expensive car alarm, and it work great, but for some reason the computer of that alarm gets installed into the bonnet????
why??? oh, that's right so the thieves can slide underneath the bonnet and start hacking the computer to disable the alarm,........

yeah.....

i knew some of you were thinking the same as me......

put the computer of that alarm inside the car behind the defences..... well done to you people who thought of that>>>>>> so to get to the computer you would have to get behind the defences first, but to get crack the defences you need to get to the computer,

nothing like the chicken and the egg story,

simple, but that is me, and i feel MS should follow the same path with IE and windows,

if IE is separate, then IE can not break windows, and vica versa of course,

sorry to go on, but no one ever talks about reliability with these browsers, always %%%%%%%, very annoying, reliability is the key issue with IE at the moment hence why this long post,

respect.

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By caronn

edited Oct 5, 2007 - 5:09 AM

then also in Linux you have Konqueror browser integrated with the OS and shell.
In Mac OS X you have Safari browser integrated with the OS and shell.
Firefox has serious flaws in its FirefoxURI handler protocol that makes Windows users vulnerable in the same way:
http://secunia.com/advisories/25984/

IE is not "integrated" with OS, but it uses shared libraries just like Konqueror, Safari, Mozilla & Thunderbird & Sunbird (Thunderbird and Sunbird also share Firefox's libraries in the same way and so a flaw in Mozilla libraries hits all Mozilla products). IE runs with user privileges like Firefox.
Windows (like Linux and Mac) needs HTML/XML libraries in order to show links and documents in the OS and so it's normal there're shared libraries for all Internet applications, there's nothing wrong in IE.

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By GS5

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 1:28 PM

"IE is not "integrated" with OS, but it uses shared libraries just like Konqueror, Safari, Mozilla & Thunderbird & Sunbird (Thunderbird and Sunbird also share Firefox's libraries in the same way and so a flaw in Mozilla libraries hits all Mozilla products)."

Here's the difference with Konqueror, Firefox and even Safari. When Konqueror, Firefox or Safari crash they don't take the OS with them. Unlike IE6, I can't speak for IE7 or Vista because I don't use them. But I never had Firefox for Windows or Linux crash and take down the OS. But all the way up to XP a IE crash meant a OS crash.

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By GS5

edited Oct 5, 2007 - 12:47 AM

NEW FORUM RULE

No post will exceed the word count of the article thats being commented on.

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By Alex Stevens

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 12:38 AM

You do know that IE7 is not integrated into the Vista shell, right? They've already fixed that problem.

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By Niro

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 9:14 AM

Ha...you gotta love people that spend 3 hours posting a 20 page ramble...and in the end their whole point is not even factually correct...on top of being logically flawed. :)

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By NULLedge

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 10:30 PM

i dont know what sites they're looking at but on mine IE7 has 58% market share for IE browsers and IE6 has 41% with the rest going to the seldom used 5.5 and 5 releases. just a google analytics stat

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By Paul Skinner

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 5:10 AM

http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

I'm trusting this comparison personally.
So it's more like:
IE6: 46%
IE7: 20%

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:25 AM

there's a ton of people still on ie6. check out this one: http://marketshare.hitsl...imeframe=M&qpsp=104

it backs up what's stated in the article. whether it's 41% or 58% that's still way to many people using something with s*** standards support. the more people going over to ie7, the better.

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By cranbers

edited Oct 4, 2007 - 10:11 PM

I never understood the point of denying a non legit version of the os ie7 in the first place. I mean like they said its supposed to help security, although if you do a quick google search there were hundreds of thousands of ways to get around their little wga thing.

This is what happens whena single company has free reign over the multi billion dollar computer industry, they can do whatever they want and nothing can be done. IE7 was what, 5 years in the making? They were so far behind even that barely brought it up to date. I guess they are waiting for firefox 3.0 before they can start on ie8 right, haha. Another oh 2 years, and it will be a 20 dollar addon to vista right ?

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By GS5

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 11:24 PM

"I never understood the point of denying a non legit version of the os ie7 in the first place."

Umm... because it's STOLEN?!!

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:27 AM

regardless it forces microsoft to continue making updates to ie6 when they clearly would rather move on. in essence it costs them more money to support ie6 by delaying it's eventual death.

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By GS5

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 1:12 PM

My only windows machine is my old laptop with 2000 pro. Which was and still is in my opinion M$' best OS. And the only time I need to use IE6 is for windows update. IE7 won't even install on 2000 not that it matters as long as I have Firefox.

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By Denier

posted Oct 6, 2007 - 9:19 AM

GS5,
Your comments noted with due respect, however the finest MS OS, is the one put together by eXperience, XP gaming interface (it can be modded), running on the Server 2003 kernel.
MS knows how good it is, every time I upload the links to RS, takes about 10 days before they are removed.
Have a Google!

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 9:19 AM

They will support IE6 to the EOL of Windows XP regardless of piracy issues.

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By Niro

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 10:22 PM

"This is what happens whena single company has free reign over the multi billion dollar computer industry, they can do whatever they want and nothing can be done"

Like...the company can deny support and updates to someone that stole their product?! OMG that's inasnity!!!

"Another oh 2 years, and it will be a 20 dollar addon to vista right ? "

Maybe...if the EU gets their way and forces MS not to supply anything with their OS's....

This has been by far one of the most rediculous posts I have ever read on here...and that's saying alot.

I mean c'mon...saying that a company is abusing its power because it's not supplying people that stole its product with updates...that's great stuff!

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By cupsdell

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 9:55 PM

Microsoft's IE site says that SP2 is required for Windows XP, and I have found that SP2 cannot be installed without WGA. So IE7 is still unavailable to a flock of XP users.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 10:11 PM

As said below, pirates have had no problems installing IE7, regardless of WGA.

I figure most folks who've decided IE6 was no longer a valid browser have already switched to Firefox or Opera, and are perfectly happy with them. The rest simply don't care.

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By cooldude7273

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 9:10 PM

I really hate to say this, but pirates have actually been using IE7 for a long time now...

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By Ian C.

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 12:42 AM

Yeah but the point of WGA wasn't really to stop hackers from using illegal copies, it was mainly to aid in them catching companies that are selling pirated copies to people and trying to pass them off as legit. And it worked well, over the last year or two they've made several major busts, confiscating millions of dollars worth of pirated inventory. Although despite that I can't say I'm completely for it since it does cause complications for some users with legitimate copies.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 9:24 PM

++ Truth

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By xyzcb1

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 9:02 PM

I just love headline like this. They are so convincing. Like say, if you are not supporting Bush, you are supporting terrorist.

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By sjc001

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 8:23 PM

This is like saying that they're going to now give out free bottles of cod liver oil....

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 9:24 PM

What's wrong with cod liver oil? It's actually quite good for you. :p

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By GS5

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 7:14 PM

Maybe M$ wants IE7 exploits to affect pirates as well;-)LOL

FIREFOX RULEZ!!!

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 2:12 AM

as a firefox user i urge you to never utter the phrase "FIREFOX RULEZ!!!" again.

ever.

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By GS5

posted Oct 6, 2007 - 10:48 PM

LOL I'm not promising anything:-)

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 1:11 PM

*laughing* damn, we really are getting old, ain't we? ;-)

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By Scary Guy

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 6:48 PM

I don't know why anyone cares. It's not that great anyhow and currently carries a 3.5 rating here on BN.

Still it's pretty big of Microsoft I think to allow this and admit most of their user base pirates their product.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 7:25 PM

I care because I'm a web developer and IE7 is less of a headache to code for than its blasted predecessors.

The quicker people move to it (or Firefox/Opera/Safari/anything else) the better.

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Oct 5, 2007 - 1:12 PM

Truth++;

I have a much easier time getting things to work in IE7 than any IE version before (and our company is a die-hard IE shop... go figure)

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 7:11 PM

and admit most of their user base pirates their product.

Wow.

And where, exactly, did you hear that whopper?

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 11:22 PM

He didn't... he just made it up.

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By Scary Guy

posted Oct 7, 2007 - 10:07 AM

Like 90% of all other statistics.

Anyhow I'm basing this mostly on personal observation. The only time I ever see them sell a legal copy is when it's bundled with a prebuilt computer system.

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By arossetti

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 6:36 PM

Good Lord, what a title for an article...

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By Paul Skinner

edited Oct 4, 2007 - 6:46 PM

I hope it's implying that it's now open to eye-patch wearing, parrot-friendly uni-peds.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 6:56 PM

It's a good thing. Microsoft is making the world a better place for pirates, thus, hopefully, growing their numbers.

Take that, Global Warming.

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By Paul Skinner

edited Oct 4, 2007 - 7:23 PM

I'm afraid I only have one thing to say to that, and that be:

YARRRRRR!

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 4, 2007 - 8:08 PM

I can feel it getting cooler already. I'm positive it has nothing to do with the fact that it is now October.

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By Denier

posted Oct 6, 2007 - 9:26 AM

PC_Tool,
It must be apparent to many here the weather is changing, your humor is quite a relief from the usual pedantries.
LOL

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By Alex Stevens

edited Oct 4, 2007 - 6:23 PM

As if it wasn't before. They probably had it before anyone.

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