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Interview: Universal EVP Ken Graffeo says HD DVD is here to stay

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

January 21, 2008, 4:40 PM

Ken GraffeoIn an exclusive interview with BetaNews, Ken Graffeo, executive vice president for Universal Studios and also the co-president of HD DVD, provided a behind-the-scenes look at the high-def industry and said that, despite the rumors, HD DVD is here to stay. But he does leave the door open to ending the format war by coming to some sort of an agreement with Blu-ray.

Nate Mook: Let's start with a little background. You work for Universal, but you are also the co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group. Does this create a conflict of interest?

Ken Graffeo: I am the executive vice president of high-def strategic marketing. So my role at Universal is in the high-def format, and being that we're in HD DVD exclusively, that's where I'm concentrated. We setup the Promotional Group in the early summer of 2006, and board members include Microsoft, Toshiba, HP, Intel, Paramount, Universal and Warner Bros. It's very similar to the Blu-ray Disc Association -- we have committees and our goal is to work together educating the consumer and our retailers on the format.

Nate Mook: How does it change things in the Promotional Group now that Warner Bros. has stated its intention to go Blu-ray exclusive once its contract obligations end?

Ken Graffeo: Well, we heard about the whole move when everyone else did -- when a lot of us were on planes flying to CES in Las Vegas. To be very honest with you, we have not addressed that yet -- Warner is still releasing HD DVD titles up until May. Warner has always been in two formats, and prior to Paramount's switch, they had been in two formats, so now that Warner is exclusive... we just haven't addressed it yet.

NM: There was a lot of surprise when you canceled the CES press conference and meetings after Warner jumped ship. It appeared to many that you were simply giving up. Two weeks after the fact, do you regret canceling everything?

KG: It's very easy to look back and say "I could have" because you always know the result. But at the time... imagine the orchestration of a press event with the presenters, the scripts, the entire presentation, videos that were produced -- everything. The crew was already setting up and we were on a plane on Friday, so not being able to get back to everyone to say "how do we make a change for Sunday" was very difficult. And what are the answers? We had no idea because we were reading and hearing about Warner's move the same time everyone else was.

If we had our press event on Monday, it would have been different, but because it was right there on Sunday and we heard Friday afternoon we couldn't even get to everybody. If I had to go back, it was probably the right thing to do. The entire flow of the presentation would have had to been changed. When we found out at the last minute, we had to regroup and say "Toshiba, what are you doing?" and we didn't have any answers. I hate to stand in front of someone and say I don't have an answer, I don't know what's going on.

At that time, not knowing and being so last minute, we had to make some changes. I will say that Toshiba went forward with their press event, which I applaud them for.

NM: After Warner essentially stabbed you in the back, speculation was rampant that Universal and Paramount would do the same, effectively killing HD DVD. There was also a lot of talk about the phrase "current" being used in the statements. Where does Universal stand on this -- are you willing to say you have an ongoing, future commitment?

KG: First of all, I want to say that none of those rumors were substantiated. Nobody ever talked to us. I know nobody talked to Paramount because Brenda, their PR person, sent out a statement immediately. This is business as usual for us and there are no plans to make any changes. We just made an announcement of our new HD DVD titles yesterday, with American Gangster. We also have a lot of other things planned. It's business as usual.

NM: Sony claims that the PS3 has given Blu-ray the market lead -- is this just posturing so Blu-ray can tout higher sales numbers? Is the PS3 really seen in Hollywood as a device that sells movies?

KG: I'll go back to what we've said over and over: the set-top player is the primary movie device. If you look at the attach rate of how many movies are bought for dedicated HD DVD players versus how many movies were sold for the PS3 and the Blu-ray set-top players combined, it's a 4 to 1 gap. Which says that people who own game machines are not buying at the same rate as someone who owns a set-top. And on the DVD side, your primary player is a set-top.

If you go to a store -- let's say a Best Buy or a Circuit City -- and buy an HDTV and then you want to get your movies to look better, you go to the DVD section -- you don't go to the game section. We have always been believers, not only historically but looking at a lot of recent research that has been done, that for the consumer their preference is a set-top.

The one thing that's different now compared with VHS is that when you bought a DVD player, you could not play your VHS on it. People didn't really have libraries in the days of VHS, because movies were really rented -- 80% of the business was rental. Today it's different because both Blu-ray and HD DVD are backwards compatible, so you have to take that into consideration. In turn, people want a set-top player that lets them play their current movies just as they do now, not on a game console.

NM: Price seems to be the major leverage HD DVD has, even with less studios than Blu-ray. Do you still believe other studios will come around if you sell enough players? This was the belief when we spoke to Microsoft's Kevin Collins 8 months ago.

KG: I can't speak for the other studios, because I don't know how they are thinking. But what was very encouraging is that when we were at CES we met with a lot of retailers. And the retailers openly said, that as much as they hate having two formats they are not making any changes, because they want to wait for what the consumer does. We've always said we want to follow the consumer.

Consumers right now are buying upconverting players -- they are outselling the next-gen players combined by 10 to 1 every month. They are affordable because they are under $200 -- the average price is $85 -- and consumers want to see their movies better. So pricing is very important. We saw that on DVD: as soon as price point went under $200 and as soon as it started getting close to $100 players really started taking off because you're hitting very consumer-friendly prices. If you want to hit the mass market, you have to be consumer-friendly in price. If you want to be a niche electronic, you're going to be high priced.

NM: From a strictly consumer standpoint, HD DVD seems to make the most sense: players are cheaper, combination discs are possible, which enables a smooth transition. Blu-ray players are still in flux and current models except the PS3 won't be upgradable to Profile 2.0. Blu-ray is pitching players that will be obsolete in a year, and discs that lack the interactivity found on HD DVD. Why hasn't there been more of a marketing message on this from HD DVD?

KG: The consumer today is very confused about HD. Only 12% of all households are getting HD programming, but 35% of households have HDTVs. We have spent a lot of time, and will continue to try to educate the consumer because there's a lot of confusion on what this means. When you're watching a TV show and the logo says in high definition and you don't have your source for high definition, it further adds to the confusion. People don't understand this.

People have a library of DVDs, people understand HD and know it looks better. But they're not thinking about it from a format perspective, they are thinking "I want my movies in high-def."

I think education has been very important and is something we have to continue doing. In Toshiba's recent press release, they said they will have an aggressive marketing campaign that will be launched very soon that will complement their new pricing strategy.

Next: Steve Jobs says the future is in digital delivery, but will people give up their physical discs? And Ken talks about the potential for unifying the dueling HD formats.

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By sabbath420

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 6:17 PM

Why are there so many childish PS3/bluray fans here? You should stay in the bluray forum eh. Seems like almost all bluray fans are actually playstation fanboys scared of loosing, and tired of waiting for the games sony promised them would be the real next gen games. Myselfe I think the war is far from over. Sony seems to put a lot $$ into tv commercials lately and that has helped them for sure. Toshiba and the rest of the HD-DVD camp really need to step up in this area. That will make a big difference. Education is key!

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By Mattstorm

posted Jan 29, 2008 - 3:34 AM

Oh My god, is this still going on, Hocuspokus, face it HD DVD is dead for heavens sake and even if sub $100 machines come out some of us dont buy tat and the big boys like pioneer will not start producing tat to please the HD DVD market fans. Do you know that the bst DVD players are pioneeer and denon and they still cost even today £1000 which as a direct conversion to your currency would be $2000 so stop it with the cheap cr*p talk. Go and play GTA IV on your XBOX and when you have to keep getting up to change the DVD to drive into the next part of the city think about buying a PS3.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 30, 2008 - 3:01 AM

Oppo's line of universal DVD players are quite simply some of the best around, gathering rave reviews and critical acclaim the world over... for ¼ the price of most Denon models.

I'll never understand people who choose to pay outrageous sums for equipment based solely on a brand name, when far less expensive products of equal or better reliability, performance, features, and format support exist.

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By Mattstorm

posted Jan 30, 2008 - 4:55 AM

Go and read every home cinema mag and look at reviews by people like HDTV.com and come back and say Denon is just a brand. You get what you pay for, by cheap you get cheap, I know you Americans like cheap crap but we in England like proper stuff and we buy the likes of Denon and Pioneer thank you very much. I suppose your an XBOX fan and think Windows Vista is a good opperating system.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 1:44 PM

The Blu-ray fans can go f*ck themselves.

Blu-ray only has well under 1% of the total movie disc market.

Just cos some of the obviously self-interested a$$holes within 'the industry' imagine (wrongly) that 1 high def format will get their snouts back in the sort of deep trough they once had when DVD first began is no reason for HD DVD to give up at all.

F*ck Circuit City too (bet they were bought).

They'll be back.

LMAO too @ Woolworths, like anyone buys anything much there anymore.

This is just the Blu-ray side doing their best to shout up as much 'momentum' as they can before the HD DVD moves start.

HD DVD China starts march and when it does the same manufacturers that make the sub $100 SD DVD that outsell everything on the DVD market now will be replaced by their new lines of sub $100 SD DVD players that also happen to be very nice HD DVD players.

Game over game console format.

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By Mattstorm

posted Jan 29, 2008 - 3:53 AM

This reminds me of a child who has had its toy taken away and will now pretend to hate its parents untill the situation is forgotten. HD DVD = Dead, and DVD sales are flatening and Blu-ray sales are increasing in momentum to the extent toshiba could only dream of with reference to their fire sale. Plus your forgetting Blu-ray cant fail, its the format for future games for the PS3 and it gives the possibiliy for games that microsoft can only dream about, I suppose the XBOX 720 is in development, I wonder what format it will use, obviousy not HD DVD

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 28, 2008 - 2:19 PM

"HD DVD China starts march and when it does the same manufacturers that make the sub $100 SD DVD that outsell everything on the DVD"

Another Hocuspokus prediction. Remeber where you heard it first folks!!, just like the Warner going HD DVD exclusive right???

LOL, I can't believe there are idiots still in their little fairy world, where HD DVD still had a chance. It never stood a chance....

Even Microsoft are now talking Blu it seems...

http://www.eurogamer.net...le.php?article_id=91500

Looks like rabid fanbots like Hocuspokus have alienated another studio.

http://formatwarcentral....dvd-for-future-releases/

Looks like BDA don't need to do anything, the HD DVD idiots are destorying their format on their own...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 4:48 PM

"Another Hocuspokus prediction. Remeber where you heard it first folks!!, just like the Warner going HD DVD exclusive right???"

- Read Ken Graffeo's interview idiot.

By any sane reading of it I was correct; right up until the very last moment the only truth anyone could have known was that Warner were going HD DVD exclusive.

They switched (thanks to the WB Blu-ray supporting CEO & a handful on the board) at the very last moment.

So anyone claiming they knew they were going Blu is either a liar or guessing - probably both.

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By pridewalker

edited Jan 28, 2008 - 2:36 PM

Your first link: Not really a secret. MS announced, over a year ago, that if BR won the format war, they would consider a BR add-on.

Second link: LMAO. This guy (who creates movies that are a niche genre, within a niche market) gets his feelings hurt on a forum, so he's not going to release in a certain format? Jesus...even with your multiple accounts, you're a bit manlier than this. Regardless of how much abuse you take, you keep coming back for more.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 12:54 PM

HD DVD sales have gone from bad to worse. This week will be the 3rd week in a row that HD DVD player and media sales have plummeted since all those studios dumped HD DVD.

Even the industry is calling for Toshiba/Paramount/Universal to give it up.

http://www.dvdfile.com/i...p;task=view&id=6496

http://www.dvdreview.com/coffee/pages/524.html

Hell, even retailers are dumping you, first Target, now Woolworths.

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=32482

And Circuit City..

http://www.1080living.co...file=article&sid=17

I give BestBuy a few more weeks personally...

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By Austin814

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 9:58 AM

The numbers dont Lie...

Pro HD-DVD: 30,169
http://www.petitiononlin...m/SAVEHDD/petition.html

Pro Blu-Ray: 10,583
http://www.petitiononlin.../HDVDeath/petition.html

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 28, 2008 - 2:07 PM

And please tell us how long each petition has been running...

Yep, thats right, the Pro HD DVD one has been running since Jan 4th (24 days), the HDVDeath one has been running a week.

Oh, and it's not Pro Blu-ray, it's just asking for HD DVD to die, so we can move on...

So it seems more people want an end to the war and let HD DVD die...

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By Austin814

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 1:56 PM

And neither got any press until last week.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 28, 2008 - 2:10 PM

Another HD DVD fanbot lie. I heard about the HD DVD one on Jan4th, when all the HD DVD fanbots posted the link on every forum on the planet, in the hope it would make a difference...

So tell us, how many times you signed it then? For example:

27679. Judy The Look and Sound of Desperation
27675. Judy The Look and Sound of Failure
27673. Judy The Look and Sound of (Please Insert Disc 2)

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By kashin

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 2:08 AM

I believe this format war is far from over.

I believe history repeats itself.

I believe a greedy corporation run by arrogant execs can't buy victory no matter how many billions of dollars they pour into forcing one.

I believe trying to Trojan horse a media format by marrying it to a console will alienate your fans.

I believe if HD-DVD loses, we all lose and BD will never ever gain wide acceptance, no matter how many studios Sony buys off.

Believe in believing and your beliefs will believe in you! The unbelievable becomes believable. This summer, coming to a theater near you.

I believe.

Oh Lord, I believe!

Hallelujah!

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 10:15 AM

if there is any reason we all lose out on HD Media it is because of people like you, and Toshiba....

I don't see what the problem really is here...the consumer has spoken, and blu-ray has outsold HD-DVD EVERY week in 2007...thats EVERY WEEK people...there is really no difference in either format except for your blind hatred of Sony...Sony is not buying off studios anymore than Toshiba did when they paid Paramount to go HD-DVD exclusive...

rootkit fiasco, mini-disc, umb etc aside, they have NOTHING to do with blu-ray and are therefore a non-issue...

blu-ray offers higher storage capacity (don't even bring up the TL 51GB HD-DVD's because they have still not even produced ONE of them and proved it will run on older players

it has more content, more backing studios, a higher install base...yadda yadda yadda...its over for HD-DVD and the right thing to do is support that winning format, not throw a temper tantrum because you spent money on the wrong format...you SHOULD have known what you were getting into when you decided to become an early adopter...

even the profile problem does not have ANY affect on you...because you don't have a BD player...so you can wait a couple months and get a 2.0 player, or pick up a 40GB PS3 and have a player now that can be updated later

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 2:55 PM

I don't believe that consumer has spoken, at all. What we're seeing here, is a case of the studios deciding for the consumer.

Had we seen neutrality from all of the studios (in much the same way that video game publishers are 'multi-platform'), and we arrived at this point, then I'd agree that the consumer had spoken.

But alas, it's not a perfect world, and that's not the case. The various studios picked their sides, for whatever reason (DRM, a dislike of other companies involved, whatever...), and have been trying to lead the consumer one way or the other, ever since.

It's rare that companies jump ship, without some form of financial incentive, these days. A pay-off doesn't have to be cash trading hands directly (which is what I believe all of the parties are denying); it could be any number of incentives and subsidies (advertising, lower licensing costs, etc). And for the record, I believe that both sides of this war are guilty of this.

The rootkit, failed formats, etc. may not have anything to do with blu-ray, but they have everything to do with Sony...one of the most vocal and well known members of the BDA (in regards to BR). Sony's actions as a company (regardless of division) have left a bad taste in many peoples' mouths, and it's understandable that people are hesitant to trust them at this point. The bad press that Sony has recieved over the last year or so, means that they have to do a lot of work to regain the consumers trust.

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By Ruin

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 11:17 AM

The consumer has not spoken. The early adopters and some studio's have spoken. The mass market hasn't even been tapped yet. They are still with DVD and will be for a while until pricess of the players and media come down in price just like Toshiba did with their players.

IF blu wins they will need to drop the price of the players down to the same price that the A3 is at now it will be a long, long time before blu will drop their prices. Most people don't want to spend that much money for a player of either format and most people don't want to buy a gaming console to play movies on. They want a stand alone unit and it will be a long time before blu can get one that low.

As for supporting your "winning format" I'm in the same boat as most people. I don't want to buy a PS3 and I'm not going to wait a few months to buy a $500-$700 profile 2.0 player. Even if they came out at $300 I wouldn't buy one because it's still over priced for me. Price is a HUGE factor and it doesn't matter how many studio's are backing the format. If the prices don't come down it will never take off.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 3:23 AM

Do you copy everything in life.. I think you do... Think for yourself for a change...

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By yountmj

posted Jan 28, 2008 - 8:25 AM

And yours? Not one misspelled word or grammatical error, and no edits... so out of character for you. I suppose you're going to claim that yours was original?

I cannot begin to describe how hypocritical that statement was.

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By FUHNAHTIK

posted Jan 27, 2008 - 1:07 AM

Thanks Ken, We still support you, and my dollars continue to support Universal, Paramount & HD DVD every week.

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By Metfanant

edited Jan 27, 2008 - 1:22 AM

must be getting tougher and tougher to spend that money considering nobody makes HD-DVD players other than Toshiba, and they are loosing movie studios by the second....

you should be asking Ken why he and his buddies are still trying to convince you that HD-DVD has a snow ball's chance in hell of surviving this format war....people say blu ray fans blindly support that format....i say anyone who supports HD-DVD when only 2 studios even release in that format anymore are blindly supporting a dead format....HD-DVD is killing the High Def market be refusing to concede defeat!

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By sabbath420

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 3:49 PM

What about when sony refused defeat when the beta vs vhs war was on? What about now with that stupid umd format they are still trying to push?

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By SlapShot

posted Jan 27, 2008 - 8:01 AM

don't you ever get a silly feeling over the fact you are crazy over a "war" that the "winner" will win a niche market ?

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 27, 2008 - 12:44 PM

please....the only reason HD Media might become a niche market is if HD-DVD continues to try and fool consumers into believing that HD-DVD has a future.....

DVD did not start to outsell VHS untill 2003!! it was almost something like 7 years before units sold were equal between the two...to assess HDM vs DVD sales at this point is of no use....because if you have done the same to DVD you would have concluded DVD was dead in the water....but that is obviously not the case....as late as 2003 there were still people that did not think DVD would ever totally replace VHS, and that VHS would still be around in some form or another....

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By RonBaker1111

edited Jan 25, 2008 - 2:55 PM

For me, it's the movies that are available. Neither format has issued classic movies that I want...I'm not going to rebuy the few they have issued. I want a better selection.

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By ObedMarsh

edited Jan 24, 2008 - 4:58 AM

man, I'm really surprised this guy hasn't been asked by Universal to retire yet

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By rbrown84

posted Jan 24, 2008 - 7:16 PM

oh please spare me. HD-DVD owners knew what they were getting into, as did blu ray owners. Both knew that one of these formats was going to die, and blu-ray happened to win this format war. Since high def movies/players is considered more of a luxury type item, everyone buying into it COULD afford it, or could afford to lose it. I don't have any sympathy. If blu ray had just lost, i'd be pissed but i'd probably go out the next day and buy hd-dvd player. People need to stop being such f***ing babies and get over this

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By deminicus

posted Jan 24, 2008 - 5:35 PM

i nominate this bd/hdvd thing as the most worthless thing to argue about for the last 2 years. the hype to penetration ratio is rediculous.

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By Austin814

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 3:05 PM

Show your support. Sign the HD-DVD Petition (19000+ and counting)

http://www.petitiononlin...m/SAVEHDD/petition.html

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By Joey Deacon

posted Jan 25, 2008 - 3:03 AM

Or let HD DVD die..

http://www.petitiononlin.../HDVDeath/petition.html

10,000+ and counting, and has only been running a week, not a month like the Save HD DVD petition.

To quote HD DVD fanbot nonsense. "Consumers have spoken".

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 8:52 PM

What is it with people and these petitions?
God sakes people lets have some integrity!

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By yountmj

posted Jan 24, 2008 - 12:09 AM

So, for us to have integrity, we need turn a blind eye to the possibility that the corporations we are petitioning against have none?

Granted, petitions rarely serve their intended purposes, but it allows those who wish to become part of a larger voice against a higher power to be heard, no matter how futile the efforts or bleak the eventual outcome may be. So be it. Let those who wish to participate take part. At least when all is said and done, it will let them feel like they at least tried instead of feeling as though there was nothing they could do about it. The consumer should always have a voice in the matter.

Once in a while though, petitions actually work.

HD DVD owners have invested in a format that they do not wish to see die off, and most likely purchased their players for one reason only... HD movies. It's understandable that they do not wish to see their investment wasted because of possible shady dealings at the corporate level.

Forgive my rambling, please. :)

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By Setian^Stalker

edited Jan 24, 2008 - 7:06 AM

Theres petitioning and then theres (this kind of) petitioning. This achieves absolutly nothing more than someone starting a poll on his/her blog.
For these sorts of things you are far better off contacting the company thats offended you and letting them have it.
Because anyone can sign this with absolute ease it doesnt hold any weight. In fact, its just outright whinging.

I'd be happy to see some examples where this kind of stuff has worked on a large scale though. I recall some game developer years ago perhaps...

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By fewt

posted Jan 24, 2008 - 6:42 PM

I prefixed my comment with ZOMFGLOL for a reason (it was a funny counter), but you are right. These petitions are pretty meaningless.

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By yountmj

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 6:16 PM

I signed it earlier this morning, being 17,858.

Checked it just now, and it's up to 20,570.

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By Gormless

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 10:02 AM

You can get a Toshiba HD-EP30 in the UK from Play.com for under £120 delivered now, it is a no brainer to buy one at that price, it is only £20 more than a Sony upscaling DVD player.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Jan 23, 2008 - 8:39 AM

Great to see the HD DVD players still selling so well.

Amazon USA (only the world's 2nd largest retailer) have the HD A3 at number 1 best selling DVD player (and the HD A30 at 3 & the HD A35 at 10).
http://www.amazon.com/gp.../172514/ref=pd_ts_e_nav

The HD A3 is also the 10th best selling electrical item in the entire Amazon USA inventory (the only Blu-ray player in that list is at 81).
http://www.amazon.com/gp...s_pg_4?ie=UTF8&pg=4

So much for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-lying f*ckwits campaign to talk-up their 'it's all over' sh!te.

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By Ruin

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 11:12 AM

Yes, they have been. I've been watching them for the last week or so and the A3, A30, and A35 were 1, 2, and 3 in the best sellers for DVD Players.

I saw the A3 get as low as number 3 in All Electronics and the Blu-ray player drop out of the top 100. The A3 has been in the top 10 for about a week solid or at least when I've looked since it's updated hourly.

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By reptile168

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 11:21 PM

I'll remember HD DVD for giving us everything and best picture quality from day one (though sacrificing space for price). I'll always laugh at fanboys saying bluray is superior.

Thanks to HD DVD, we've got very affordable price. (excluding combo disks, which are 5$ more expensive than blu ray disks).

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By xxredshiftxx

edited Jan 23, 2008 - 2:01 AM

No doubt HD DVD is a much better engineered format.Anyone who has a GENUINE interest in watching movies(NOT GAMES)looks at the specs in regards to audio(DTS MASTER AUDIO)and visual(MPEG4)knows it's gonna sound and look sweet on their system.Anyone who applies some logic sees the internet capabilities/interactive features and then the price--it's a NO BRAINER.
Bluray people need to get their HEAD OUT OF SONY'S ARSE and have a look around and smell the roses
By the way,please sign the petition and pass it on to make your voice heard.This list is growing fast and never mind if it has an effect or not,it shows our determination to the studios to wake up and sell HD DVD's to us
http://www.petitiononlin...perl/signed.cgi?SAVEHDD
Cheers and thanks

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By yountmj

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 8:24 AM

Signed. Thanks.

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By Bladeforce

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 9:44 PM

Benjamin oh Benjamin i posted the rootkit thing plain and simply because I have been reading these comments for a while now and i mentioned the anti Sony comment for one thing only...facts! YOUR HYPOCRISY IS PRICELESS AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT! I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED DENIAL!!

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By renindy

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 8:00 PM

Combo disks - good idea!
Glad to finally hear an executive differentiate between the set top player and the gaming device! Sony has murked those waters enough.
Planning to get blu ray at some point anyway, but dang, does it have to be at 2x or 3x the price of my A30?
Trying to understand the BD pricing, has been like trying to understand the price of oil.
: )

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By fewt

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 8:03 PM

Almost all my HD-DVDs are combo disks. HD on one side, and DVD on the other.

They just need to get the price down, and advertise it more.

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By nate

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 8:51 PM

This is key. If they can get the HD DVD prices down to near that of DVD (or heck, even replace DVDs), the Promotional Group will be in a much better position market-wise. The Combo discs are the only thing that makes the investment worthwhile (for standard consumers, not high-def enthusiasts) in any HD format.

I've pinged them on this, and should receive a response in the next day or two.

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By renindy

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 8:26 PM

You are right!
yep - saw the "shrek" HD-DVD TV ad a few days ago.
The HD DVD forum should pool resources and do a Superbowl Ad!

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By yountmj

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 8:49 PM

A nice thought, if only Samsung (who released the first Blu-ray console) wasn't the "official HDTV of the NFL" (according to their commercials).

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By Metfanant

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 7:50 PM

what do you expect this guy to say honestly? He would be fired on the spot if he said something like "well we really took it in the rear when Warner jumped ship....things are looking pretty bad on the sales front...right now..." i mean honestly people...

i just don't get you people....yes Sony had the rootkit fiasco, but thats in the past, and has nothing to do with blu-ray....you guys bring up the possibility of discs being locked to players , and not being able to play them elsewhere...but you also champion the idea of digital distribution....let me know when the average person starts carrying around external hard drives to transport their movies around a couple at a time....

if you want to continue to blindly support HD-DVD and refuse to buy blu-ray then so be it....i will enjoy the last two Harry Potter movies....i will continue to enjoy my POTC movies...i will enjoy the LOTR movies, and Star Wars (distributed by Fox) when they are released on blu-ray...at least Hollywood realizes that while he may have supported hd-dvd that blu-ray looks to be a solid winner, and that he will be buying fims on blu-ray....

give it up about the players...early adopters sometimes get screwed....it happens...did HD-DVD have a more finished, and prepared product at launch? absolutely....but regardless the consumer has spoken every single week this year and BD has outsold HD-DVD every week....the older players will still play the movies...and thats what REALLY matters...all of your digital distribution and "on-demand" nonsense doesnt have any special features anyways....so give it up....

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By nate

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 8:56 PM

This is true -- Sony BMG the record label was involved in the rootkit, not Sony Pictures or Sony Electronics. However, what it did was give people a bad taste in their mouth against Sony. That's life, and Sony can't really do anything about that except work hard to repair their image.

I don't think those that support HD DVD are doing it blindly -- they have very specific reasons why: combo format, lower prices, and players that won't become obsolete.

Obviously a lot of people support and are buying Blu-ray, but the market is still way too new for either side to "give up." The fat lady has not yet sung, and there's no reason people should stop supporting the format they like.

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By dangerous

edited Jan 23, 2008 - 11:32 AM

Sony BMG's rootkit fiasco didn't put a bad taste in the consumer's mouths. That's silly. Last year they were rated the number one most trusted company in the world according to Forrester Research.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 24, 2008 - 6:58 PM

Sure it did.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 9:21 PM

That was for the US I'm certain and was early last year that research was conducted.

In comparison truste rated them somewhat low in trust in the same region.

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By yountmj

edited Jan 24, 2008 - 12:13 AM

Really? I'm fairly certain that the number one most trusted brand was Bose. But at least Sony was on the list... I'll give you that.

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By Bladeforce

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 5:54 PM

To Sony: Please trust your customers
To Sony: Please treat your customers with the respect they deserve
To Sony: Please be truthful at an earlier stage about Blue Ray players that will not be compatible within 12 months
To Sony: Please Do not infest your customers with rootkits
To Sont: Please Do not advertise as if the customer has no brain
To Sony: Please take your products off the market we will not miss you
TO ALL: DO NOT BUY SONY

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 5:59 PM

Nice. None of these are true actually.

If anyone screwed over consumers in the ways mentioned, it was Microsoft by lauching a known faulty and feature incomplete console on 10 million consumers, just to beat Sony to launch. (hmm they did it with Vista too..)

Sony of course waited until ther PS3 was complete and reliable..

So tell us again who are the bad guys, who don't care about consumers, just marketshare... So next time Microsoft screws you over remember why. Because you reward them for screwing you over, by buying their products.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 5:59 PM

None?

Yeah, everyone made up the rootkit thing just to make Sony look bad and Profile 1 players will work with all content on profile 2.0 discs?

Really???

Wow....

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 6:03 PM

WGA ring any bells? I suggest you actually be informed about the rootkit, it was vastly blown out of all proportion by rabid journlelists (like Nate Mook)...

And yes, Profile 1.0 players will play Blu-ray movies just fine... That can't be said for HD DUD TL51GB discs, which will only play on G3 players (hence the vaporware status)

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By kashin

edited Jan 25, 2008 - 3:31 AM

WGA ring any bells? I suggest you actually be informed about the rootkit, it was vastly blown out of all proportion by rabid journlelists (like Nate Mook)...

Who said anything about Microsoft or WGA? God, you brain dead Sony fanatics piss me off sometimes. You said none of the above mentioned was true. Then when questioned about it, you go off on a tangent and completely avoid answering what was asked. You must be working for Sony or something, because you pull the same idiotic tricks, shifting the conversation to something else.

There's a typical Sony retard's conversation with someone on here.

Random poster: Sony did this. Sony did that.
Sony tard: No they didn't. It never happened. By they way, Microsoft did this, Microsoft did that.
Random poster: Everyone knows Sony did this and that. Here's proof. Now what do you have to say?
Sony tard: Microsoft sucks. Sony's product is a great value for the money.
Random poster: What's that got to do with anything?
Sony tard: Microsoft did this. Microsoft did that. Did I mention Microsoft sucks?

You think the Sony rootkit fiasco was "vastly blown out of all proportion" ? Oh really? That's the reason Sony got slapped by MULTIPLE class action lawsuits in MULTIPLE states, LOST those lawsuits and had to pay MILLIONS of dollars to settle. Typical Sony attitude. First, ignore the problem and hope nobody notices the BS you pulled. Second, if someone notices it, downplay it and hope it goes away. Third, deny, deny, deny. Then finally, lose YET ANOTHER MAJOR LAWSUIT and pay up. Then, even though you were found GUILTY, still pretend you did nothing wrong. I bet if you took one of those arrogant Sony execs and skinned him alive, he STILL wouldn't admit any wrongdoing.

The rootkit issue was most definitely not blown out of proportion. I happen to own one of those infected CDs. It auto-runs the crap on your computer as soon as you insert the disc (luckily I have autorun disabled) and then it asks you if you want to install it. No matter what you choose, it gets installed. Even if you don't agree to the EULA, it STILL installs the rootkit on your computer.

Oh and that's not even getting started on the exploding battery fiasco. Sony is such a wonderful company, isn't it?

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By yountmj

posted Jan 25, 2008 - 8:03 AM

*applauds*

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By fewt

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 6:23 PM

Are you implying that it didn't insert itself into Window s so deep that it didn't show up in a process list?

Sorry, Sony is an evil company that doesn't deserve to continue existence.

Yes, I vote with my money.

Until you have movies that run longer than 7 hours at 1080P 51GB will be just fine, but thanks for the FUD.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 6:27 PM

"Are you implying that it didn't insert itself into Window s so deep that it didn't show up in a process list?"

No, but tell me what harm it did...

Lets also get some perspective. 20,000 harmless (but arguably dishonest) $15 Audio CD's, or 10 million knowingly faulty $400 Xbox 360s...

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By kashin

edited Jan 25, 2008 - 3:40 AM

"Lets also get some perspective. 20,000 harmless (but arguably dishonest) $15 Audio CD's, or 10 million knowingly faulty $400 Xbox 360s..."

More retarded Sony logic. It's hard not to get a headache just reading these. First, there were a LOT more than 20,000 "harmless" *cough* audio CDs. Second, what does the Xbox have to do with Sony or their "dishonest" audio CDs?

You're implying that it's okay for Sony to secretly and KNOWINGLY install a rootkit on your computer, even if you DECLINE their EULA, because a bunch of Xbox's happen to be faulty? Do you even stop to think before you make a post? You're not only comparing oranges, but you're also saying that Sony is the lesser of two evils and that makes it okay.

"10 million knowingly faulty $400 Xbox 360s"

That's another issue you Sony fanboys have. Always talking in enormous numbers, not even remotely close to the real number. You guys do it when talking about Xboxs that failed, and when talking about how many PS3s were sold. You always add several million to make it look bigger. And to say that Microsoft KNOWINGLY sold faulty Xbox, that's just outright absurd. That would make absolutely no sense, because they would have to pay for it in the end. Let's not forget that Microsoft WILLINGLY extended the Xbox360's warranty for everyone. Something Sony would NEVER do, unless ordered by a COURT after losing yet another CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.

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By fewt

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:25 PM

Oh, so it's ok for a company to root your computer because it didn't do any damage?

WOW, that's just unbelievable.

"The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs, opening security holes that allow viruses to break in, and causing other problems. It is widely described as spyware."

http://en.wikipedia.org/...copy_protection_scandal

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:31 PM

a Wikipedia article edited by rabid fanboys. very credible..

Here is something from the same source...

"Anti-virus firm F-Secure asserted, "Although the software isn't directly malicious, the used rootkit hiding techniques are exactly the same used by malicious software to hide themselves."

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By fewt

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:37 PM

More credible than a single post of yours so far.

Thanks.

More:
http://www.eff.org/cases/sony-bmg-litigation-info

From your very post "used rootkit hiding techniques are exactly the same used by malicious software to hide themselves"

Yep, evil company.

Thanks.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:53 PM

yep, used hiding techniques, but is not malicious..

Are you having trouble understanding or something...

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By SGD

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 9:43 PM

Not to mention the fact that virus writers and other malicious apps found a way to connect to the rootkit to do more PC damage. Kind of forgot about that part I see.

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By fewt

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 7:00 PM

Hiding your process from view is malicious.

Thanks.

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By nate

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 7:07 PM

The rootkit opened the door for other malicious software to latch onto and hide from Windows. There were examples of this.

In addition, the software reported back your listening habits, which is arguably an invasion of piracy.

That's like saying it's okay for someone to break into your house and hide in your closet, even if they don't take anything. I'm pretty sure you'd call the police if someone broke into your house, whether or not they caused problems, because there is the possibility of something bad happening.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 1:22 AM

"In addition, the software reported back your listening habits, which is arguably an invasion of piracy."

Sorry, this is untrue, please provide links that prove this...

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By yountmj

edited Jan 23, 2008 - 1:53 PM

CDs’ Embedded Content Protection Software Posed Security Risks, Limited CD Use, and Monitored Users’ Listening Habits on their Computers, Without Consumer Consent

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/01/sony.shtm

I know it may be a stretch, but it would probably be a good idea to perform a quick search next time to see if a comment may be true before stating that it is not.

I suppose you'll suggest that the FTC is biased against Sony? Perhaps they are, but they probably have sufficient reason to be by now.

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By fewt

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 7:04 PM

It is ok for Sony to break into his house and hide in his closet, he's already said so.

As long as he doesn't steal any socks he's not doing anything wrong.

Honest.

Me, well that would be the last time he hid in a closet (or anywhere else for that matter).

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By SlapShot

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:20 PM

"HD-DUD"

grow up, oh wait your only 12 dave

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:16 PM

ROFLMAO!

You bring up WGA (apparently its a Bad Thing™) to respond?

So, even if one accepts the assumption that WGA is Bad...how the hell does that make any difference regarding how bad rootkits are?

Don't be an idiot.
Rootkits are Bad...mmkay?

Installing them without notice is Bad....mmmmkay?

Trying to argue that something is not Bad by giving an example of something that is questionably bad? Well...that's priceless.

As for profile...

I said "all content". Your response totally ignores that bit. How convenient...

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:19 PM

So tell us all what is automatically makes a rookit bad...

Yes, most rookits are malicious, but that does not mean all rootkits are malicious.

Sony were protecting their content (Audio CD), in the same way WGA and AACS, BD+ protects othet content, the fact it installed itself without prompting, and hid itself is what annoyed people, it did not actually do ANYTHING bad to your system...

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 1:16 PM

Any rootkit can be used by any virus writer to hide code.

*ANY* rootkit.

Rootkits=bad. They exist to hide files form the operating system, dimwit.

Gawd, are you really that stupid?

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By kashin

posted Jan 25, 2008 - 3:43 AM

"Gawd, are you really that stupid?"

I assume that was a rhetorical question, because we ALL know the answer already.

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By pridewalker

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 10:33 PM

Steve, the Sony rootkit reported back on a user's listening habits/preferences, thereby creating an invasion of privacy. This is called spying; and as we all know, spying is bad, mmkay.

The rootkit interfered with the way that Windows operated, so that it could spy on the user. Again...spying is bad, mmkay.

In most cases, the rootkit's process could not be terminated by standard means. This allowed other pieces of spyware to attach themselves to users machines. This too is bad, mmkay.

To claim that it didn't do anything bad to your system is ridiculous. If it was so benign, why did it take extraordinary measures for someone infected with it, to get rid of it? Why did its existence cause people to file lawsuits against Sony?

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By fewt

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:25 PM

"The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs, opening security holes that allow viruses to break in, and causing other problems. It is widely described as spyware."

http://en.wikipedia.org/...copy_protection_scandal

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 10:13 PM

Seems he was not around at that time :)

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By nate

posted Jan 22, 2008 - 6:10 PM

Picutre-in-picture is a valuable feature for movies (viewing commentaries and special features atop the playing movie), which is not on Profile 1.0 players.

Having 51GB on a disc is unnecessary. There hasn't been one movie that hasn't fit on 30GB, with all the extras. Having an extra 20GB of space really serves no purpose, except to include uncompressed audio, which is silly when perfectly good lossless codecs exist (compression without quality loss).

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By Banquo

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 7:01 PM

Aruging with a Sony zealots pointless.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jan 22, 2008 - 6:21 PM

Again, you talk nonsense. There are already several Profile 1.0 discs with PiP.

OK, it was done by duplicating the PiP encode, but who cares, it's possible, and Blu-ray has an extra 20GB to play with anwyay...

Not than much of this matters anyway, as there is already a very large Profile 1.1 userbase, (I would guess 90% of Blu-ray players are Profile 1.1 ready, including the PS3).

The funniest nonsense here, is the Unfinished spec nonsense. Profile 1.1 and Profile 2.0 live in parallel, just like different levels of funcionality in other consumer goods. Contary to what the numbskulls here say, Profile 2.0 will not superceed Profile 1.1.

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By rmatt12

posted Jan 23, 2008 - 12:41 PM

the main point of old blu ray players is that they dont have the hardware to support the new specs in profile 2 the players dont have a second video decoder so pip is not exactly what you getting. you can stop the movie and go to that content than be put back into the scene where you left off. and the old players dont have ethernet ports so no internet activity. but dont worry sony a business and they already know of this fiasco and made a clever remark in the article from this site when they interviewed them at ces they are going to put stickers on movies to say profile 1 or 2 i am one to say good marketing move because early adopters who want features need to buy new players and the ones who dont wont be left out because that they main focus of getting hd dvd out of the picture because they know if they had a competitor and they implement this strategy many people will be piss so if they dont have hd dvd to fall back on there will be no choice than to take the blu pill yea a matrix reference my vote for being the best hi def release so far