i just wanted to say im really enjoying my 360 halo experience on the big screen and once i figure out why the sony surround sound system i bought to run the hdmi through is sabotaging my game play and dvd playback with 5-10 second black screen hickups, i'll be loving it even more.

For reference, the wireless controllers for the 360 give my hands cramps and one of them was randomly shutting off when vibration happened, and another wont allow me to use my headset to talk. GET IT TOGETHER MICROSOFT! STOP SHIPPING BROKEN PRODUCT! I hate em both, but i do love the games, and since ms has em, that's where i sit. if sony had all the games, it might have been a different story.

Dude, thats why we don't slam are controllers on the ground when we are mad!

Just for the record, I never said that PS3 had better video resolution than Xbox 360. I said both PS3 and 360 have much better resolution than the Wii.

Not according to the story.

Nice to see some sources on here correcting misquotes :)

I find it hard to believe that its him and if it was, I would believe he is just trying to change his opinion now.

Agreed. If he actually had an issue with misquoted comments, the responsible action would be to contact the BetaNews staff and have the author edit it where appropriate.

Joey: "Whilst I can't comment on Mass Effect"

Steve: "Whilst Microsoft rushed the 360 release"

Hollywood: Whilst we all notice you do the same things with different usernames, using the word "Whilst" is by far the dumbest thing you have ever done. Why don't you just give up? I obviously have a couple hundred IQ points on you.

According to your profile at cnet.com, you own all these products:

http://www.cnet.com/5270...0-2.html?userID=1150478

And that gets me wondering as to why he would own three bluray players.

Because maybe one of them will play the Liars Dice game on Pirates of the Caribean in under 30 mins.

Maybe so, good point! lol

Haha... I love his review of the Panasonic BD player.

Pros: ...unseen PQ

That sounds more like a negative to me. :)

If I was him I'd start placing ads on the references you post. He'd soon make some cash from the free publicity...

I do wonder where this obsession is originating from. Why do you not just ignore this guy?

"Why do you not just ignore this guy?"

Where would the fun be in that??? Honestly...

My bet would be on disk read errors.

"Cai also pointed to some advantages of the PS3 over the Xbox 360. "The video resolution on the PS3 is much better," he said."

This guy is apparently smoking some over-the-counter grade stuff. That is a ridiculous statement from someone who is supposed to be in-the-know.

"But the PC platforms are much easier to upgrade," Cai observed. "It doesn't take long for a game console to get outdated."

Remind me to ignore anything with the name Michael Cai attached to it... This is essentially why I've given up on PC gaming. With the PC developers basically force end-users to upgrade their systems to play games. With consoles it is the developers that are forced to get the game working on it.

An Xbox 360 purchased back in November 2005 will run Call of Duty 4 just the same as an Xbox 360 purchased this month. You can't say that of PCs.

"But the PC platforms are much easier to upgrade," Cai observed. "It doesn't take long for a game console to get outdated."

Remind me to ignore anything with the name Michael Cai attached to it... This is essentially why I've given up on PC gaming. With the PC developers basically force end-users to upgrade their systems to play games. With consoles it is the developers that are forced to get the game working on it.

An Xbox 360 purchased back in November 2005 will run Call of Duty 4 just the same as an Xbox 360 purchased this month. You can't say that of PCs.

"But the PC platforms are much easier to upgrade," Cai observed. "It doesn't take long for a game console to get outdated."

Remind me to ignore anything with the name Michael Cai attached to it... This is essentially why I've given up on PC gaming. With the PC developers basically force end-users to upgrade their systems to play games. With consoles it is the developers that are forced to get the game working on it.

An Xbox 360 purchased back in November 2005 will run Call of Duty 4 just the same as an Xbox 360 purchased this month. You can't say that of PCs.

You're probably right.

The additional posts were just for fun... couldn't help it.

Seriously though, for the versatility of customization, fluid frame rates, much higher resolution and image quality, and sheer availability of titles... that is exactly why I will never give up on PC gaming.

Plus, with higher spec laptops becoming more commonplace, it is easier now to get high-powered gaming on the go without having to suffer eyestrain.

It's a timeless debate. Consoles aren't perfect for everyone. For the record, my 2 year old PC hardware runs CoD 4 fluidly (and at higher resolution and detail than a PS3 with less of a performance hit).

You're probably right.

You're probab... whoa, deja vu?

What?

Are there still Xboxes out there manufacturered in Nov 2005, surely they must have all failed by now.

you are totally correct here b/c most of the games on 360 looks better and have much better framerates.

Another user we haven't seen in some time...Dave's fake Hollywood screenname...

Our local Wal-mart sold out of everything except 3 360 Arcades and 1 360. No Wii's, no PS3. To be fair, they received more 360's than Wii's and PS3's combined - but I'd say the game list for PS3 has gotten compelling enough to drive sales - rather than the hardware having to be compelling to drive early adopters.

There are certainly the gems in the PS3/360 libraries collection to make you pause. There are some crazy bundles for both.

A quick trip on Friday evening to 4 of the Wal-Marts in the Jackson, MS area (was there during the holidays) showed no 360 or Wii consoles in any of them. All of them had at least 1 PS3... one had 3 (2 80GB, 1 40GB). I saw quite a few PS2 consoles also, which was surprising.

I like to go back to stores later in the evening on Black Fridays to survey the damage. :)

"Is Sony finally getting its PlayStation 3 act together?"

No.

I bet myself that there would be a comment saying that.
Didn't expect it to be the top one.

It would seem I owe myself some money.

Actually they are.

Whilst Microsoft rushed the 360 release, cut back on features, had hideous reliability issues, Sony played the waiting game, stuck by the original designs, deployed well tested reliable hardware.

In the first 12 month of the 360 release, Microsoft managed to sell 6 million consoles in a market to themselves. In the first 12 months of the PS3 release, Sony have sold 6 million consoles whilst up against 360 and Wii.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

Despire having a year's less time in the hands of developers, multi-platform games are now starting to emerge, that look better on the PS3 hardware, COD4 for example, first party titles like Ratchet & Clank, Unchartered Drakes Fortune, as showing stuff that simply can't be done on the other consoles.

The list of PS3 exclusives is looking sweet for the next 6 months. Unreal Tournement 3, Haze, MGS4, Final Fantasy, The Agency.

Even the much delayed GTA IV, is supposed to be running far better on the Playstation hardware, thanks to Blu-ray and standard HDD.

As far as I can tell, Sony did the absolutely right thing by waiting til the PS3 was ready, and Microsoft shafted consumers with a half-arsed feature-cut, unreliable console..

Yes it sucks you can't afford to buy any game or movie for any console or player that comes out ......... well it sucks for you.

Dave's back with "Steve", Yay!

You did say feature-cut console right? You mean like an unfinished spec on the built in substandard Blu-Ray player? Or no rumble support, which they are now going to sell for $60 per controller with the DualShock 3 because they were too cheap to pay the license fees to begin with?

What about the PSN? A half assed attempt at on online gaming experience that people would rather pay MS for the privilege as opposed to a bad free service?

And lastly, a bad selection of games that studios admit the console is a pain to program for?

You mean those features? The PS3 is a joke compared to the 360, but you would only know that if you owned them both.

Any more petitions or fake reviews on cnet lately Mr factory worker?

"The list of PS3 exclusives is looking sweet for the next 6 months. Unreal Tournement 3, Haze, MGS4, Final Fantasy, The Agency."

In other words they are coming Soon ... Only Not Yet. September ... October .... Next Year

Pick one, they both fit Sony perfectly.

You seem like a very angry guy, is it because you can't afford a PS3?

Let's be fair here...

The 360 was every bit as rushed as the PS3, as is evidenced by the hardware failures. We'll see how Sony fares in comparison, now that their library has started to give people a reason to play on a more regular basis.

Developers still say that creating games for the PS3 is a b****, and tend to develop for the 360 first...porting to the PS3 later into the life cycle (EA and their sports games are a prime example of this).

Ratchet and Clank does look great, but Drake's Fortune suffers from a serious case of the jaggies (and trust me...every console is capable of this).

The next 6 months don't mean a damn thing, until they come to pass. I didn't buy my console for its potential gaming experience...I bought them to play NOW. (BTW...there was a news item recently that Square Enix halted development on the 'white engine', and that this may delay FF13 even longer).

Both Sony and MS made some big mistakes this generation. It's nice to see that each of them is, at least, taking steps to correct them.

Yes it's because I can't afford a PS3, what's your excuse for being such a lame a** fanboy who reviews products he doesnt even own to make Blu-Ray look good?

Pathetic desperate lying unimportant insignificant nobody pretty much sums you up.

You see Dave, I bought this console / HD movie player, and to make myself feel better and try to sway others to follow me, I start petitions and spead disinformation about the competition because my life is boring and I work a sh!tty job in a factory.

:D I said it to rile Steve up. It looks like it worked.

Yeah, I'm suprised no one else said it already either.

"Unreal Tournement 3,"
Nope.

"Haze,"
Nope.

"MGS4,"
Maybe.

"Final Fantasy,"
Maybe.

"The Agency"
Who cares?

That pretty much sums up that idiot. Sony a finished product, hum how many firmware updates are there now? When is that 1.1 profile update coming, oh yeah sometime in the future, like never.

"As far as I can tell, Sony did the absolutely right thing by waiting til the PS3 was ready..."

What in the world are you talking about? The PS3 (as well as the 5 million people who foolishly bought one) has been ready for over a year now. It's the developers who aren't ready, and most are still showing no serious signs of interest in the platform.

"...showing stuff that simply can't be done on the other consoles."

Such as?

By the way, you have a curious definition of what the word 'exclusive' means.

"Whilst Microsoft rushed the 360 release, cut back on features, had hideous reliability issues, Sony played the waiting game, stuck by the original designs, deployed well tested reliable hardware."

I guess you're omitting the Emotion Engine from the "original designs" they "stuck by"!

agreed,
bad move imo.

Oh I thought it. Just didn't say it lol. Mainly because I knew I didn't haft too. =p

Sorry, but he brings up very valid points... ones which you simply choose to pretend do not exist.

Thank you for clarifying that!

Angry? Its called stating the facts!

Nice one! 5 typed characters, a copy-paste and a torrent of upset responses.

:D That was my intent, but I didn't expect that many responses. Thanks Steve for the entertainment!

Your very welcome!

Why don't you own an Xbox 360? Can't afford one?

"Go suck on that, idiot." -Steve

They're now bleeding heavy on each unit, hoping to make it up in game sales.

What a horrible job-- what a waste of such an advanced processor.

I would've packaged it as a gaming console CUM Über-advanced computer system-- w/ ported Linux flavor, virtual software, the shuttered Sony Connect software, ddr3, hybrid flash/solid state hard disk, etc.

OR, cum entertainment center... partnered with Tivo, somebody....

dualshock 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just bought a ps3, but now in feb i have to spend another 60bucks inorder to rumble!! thats' BS!!! :-(

And people say MS is the only company that does that kind fo thing.

It should have been there in the first place but the arrogant $ony didn't want to pay the law suit that they failed. Sales are in the tank so they gave in. Sony blows.

I hear ya loud and clear... I just wish Sony did for everyone's sake.

It's yet another feature that should have been included with the console from the start.

Blu-ray suffers from the same poor launch design decisions.

Hey look, MinuteMaid (who hasn't made an "appearance" in weeks) just happened to post just minutes after Joey Deacons top post edit.

By Joey Deacon edited Nov 22, 2007 - 3:04 PM

By MinuteMaid posted Nov 23, 2007 - 3:09 AM

What a surprise!

And what do you know, MinuteMaid posts pictures to imageshack with ............. a Sony Cybershot.

Isn't that the same camera Joey, Steve and Dave all use?

I don't recall posting any pictures to ImageShack, please remind me... (URL)

You probably don't remember because you have linked pictures of pallettes of 360's and HD-DVD movie shelves from here under so many different usernames.

In Summary, 12 months in, it's coming together, the same way it did for Microsoft after 12 months, the same way it did for Sony with the PS1/PS2 after 12 months...

I Fail to see what people cry about, Sony have sold over 6 million PS3's in a year, about the same as Microsoft did with the 360. The obvious difference of course, is Microsoft had the market themselves in their first year.

As for games, the first year on 360 was also pretty dire, and I actually think the PS3 had better games than 360 had in it's first year (which only actually stepped up a gear, when Gears was released, something which the system still has yet to better).

Again, explain to me how Sony is catching up to Nintendo and Microsoft when the Wii and Xbox360 both outsell the PS3 month after month. I even doubt Sony sold 6 million units. It's probably closer to 5 million. Not much to brag about. The Dreamcast sold some 7 million units before Sega decided to pull out of the hardware business. Now I'm not suggesting Sony is going to pull out of the console hardware sector. We all know they're willing to bleed a few billion more in losses, if that's what it takes to get the PS3 back on track. But to assume that the PS3 is going to be a serious competitor to either the Wii or the Xbox360 any time soon is just idiotic.

"The worst time has passed. Now, Sony is going to do better."

Once you hit rock bottom, the only way is up.

"[...] make both developers and users aware that it's no longer treating its competition so lightly."

Playing catch up is not so fun, is it? What happened to all that arrogance? Did Sony become humble? Has hell frozen over?

The answer to all these questions and more, early next year, when sales number will show the PS3 is still in a rut!

Sorry, sales numbers are already showing turnarounds.

Despite Mario Galaxy, PS3 is outselling the Wii 2:1 in Japan for the last couple of weeks.

In Europe, PS3 has been consistantly outselling the 360 for months now, some weeks by a large 3:1 margin.

In the US, the 40GB model / 60GB/80GB price drop has trippled sales.

Blu-ray is killing HD DVD 70/30 these days, and hardware count, there are 10x as many Blu-ray players out there, than HD DVD.

You fail to see because your defending it. You can only see the positives.
As for ps3 having better games, may I suggest you look at a list and tell me how many blockbusters ps3 had in its first year compaired to 360. The 360 indeed had a better first year.

"trippled"

Links for all that crap.

"The obvious difference of course, is Microsoft had the market themselves in their first year."

How ironic, so did the PS2 for a while...

You fail to see that history repeats itself. The same thing that happened with the original xbox will happen with the PS3. Scrath that, it is happening as we speak.

Same old bull sh!t, and still no links to justify any of it... how sad.

Japan...Europe...

How they holding out in the world's largest economy (aka: The USA)?

Oh, yeah...doesn't look so good for you anymore.

The USA enconomy is doing crap, and I believe it's no longer the biggest. In the world markets, the dollar is near worthless these days. You can thank your clueless idiot of a president for that..

It is still the worlds biggest.

"Sorry, sales numbers are already showing turnarounds."

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!

Just keep telling yourself what you want to hear Joey / Dave. All weak minded spineless people do that. How's that factory job? Repetative? Unfulfilling? Demoralizing?

I would bet all of the above.

I believe it's no longer the biggest.

Then you believe wrong.

MinbuteMaid, wait - you think our economy is crap and no longer the "biggest" in the world?

Okay, presidential politics aside - the US economy is still THE economic superpower of the world. The closest GDP candidate is still Japan, however we index (via the World Bank, look it up) FOUR TIMES as much GDP.

The dollar is near worthless? You obviously don't understand foreign exchange. The dollar flexes and contracts according to the desires of the banking industry. When the dollar is "weak" it's because exporters want a boost and the administration wants to create jobs. When it bounces back, the analysts complain about the trade deficits and the cost of the American wage.

Dude, you need to seriously reconsider dropping your uneducated opinion around like that. People are arguing with you here because you constantly spew BS on this forum.

The PS3 "better" in Europe and Japan, but they don't spend nearly as much on gaming entertainment as we do. This means our market defines the gaming industry. We set the pace.

I still think the PS3's long-term feasibility is slim thanks to major miscues with gamers; namely backwards compatibility issues and developer struggles.

hahahahha, funniest thing ive heard all day!

The dollar value is so low for a reason, it's to drive exports and the economy. As much as '68 neo-commies Democrats supporters can try to spread lies worldwide, the US economy is in a very good condition nowadays thanks to the Bush administration, way better than during the infamous Clinton years with the fake new-economy hype and this despite the wars and terrorism.

Mark this one down I agree with you.

SGD,

He's responding to one of his own posts.

You think that the 360 hasn't had a game that trumps Gears of War, yet?

IMO, Bioshock and Mass Effect easily tie GoW, if not top it.

As I posted further down this thread, here are the numbers for PS3 vs. Wii in Japan:

PS3: 53,000
Wii: 36,000

That's about 9,000 units shy of a 2 to 1 margin.

"Blu-ray is killing HD DVD 70/30 these days, and hardware count, there are 10x as many Blu-ray players out there, than HD DVD. "

And now for the big question: How many of those players are stand-alone (you know...the ones that actually count), and how many are tacked onto the back of a games console?

YOu must be joking of course.. Whilst I can't comment on Mass Effect, Bioshock is a crappy looking game, low quality textures, masses of texture reuse, lots of dark dingy corners with nothing in them... All the signs of a system creaking at the seams...

This is insane!!! So do I!!! lol

Since I'm not a professional reviewer, I decided to take a look and get a few quotes on Bioshock's graphics, from those who are:

"The credit to how good BioShock is has to be put on Ken Levine, the creative director for the dev studio. Levine' main talent is knowing that gameplay design and graphics have to be great but that storyline, characters and originality also have to come into play."

From gamepro.com: Graphics 5.00 (out of 5)

cNet reviews: "It certainly helps that the environments you find throughout the game look amazing and practically beg to be explored."

And that's just the tip of the (almost 100% positive) iceberg.

If the game isn't your cup of tea, that's fine; ultimately it comes down to opinion. It's just too bad that your loyalty causes you to throw out technical terms to support a patently false claim ('...a system creaking at the seams.')

Tell me about it. I never agree with this guy.

...and then he posts that. Almost gotta wonder if he's stating his actual opinion or if he's just playin'...

Nah, we do however, thank you and the rest of the clueless idiots for falling for the media and liberal BS.

Our economy is doing quite well, regardless of what all you yammering idiots want to believe.

"a system creaking at the seams..."

Oh? You must be mistaken... you're probably hearing the creaking coming from your seriously outdated 256MB GeForce 7800 GPU that is filling in as the so-called 'bleeding-edge' next-gen graphics processor in the PS3.

No wonder most games on the PS3 suffer from jaggies...

Interesting there's no comment on gameplay...

You've never played it. You still don't have a 360. You can't comment on any 360 game until you own it.

For the record, my original response was meant to include both graphics and gameplay.

Joey/Dave/Steve/Minutemaid have a tendency to ignore things like that. Their blind devotion to Sony (both the PS3 and Blu-ray in general) won't allow them to even acknowledge the strengths of competing systems and formats.

That sure blows Joey/Dave/Steve/Minutemaid away!

Same here! lol

joey, this is after a price drop.

are you saying the PS3 will be the #1 selling console for the next 6 months? with developers jumping off the ps3 band-wagon.

you think mircrosoft will not drop the price of the 360 if this gets out of hand. if you could purchase 360 premium for $299 the sales would skyrocket instantly.

this has to most retarded thing i have ever heard for 2007.

the dollar is down
the housing market terrible
gas/oil prices are thru the roof
the job market sucks
the deficiet is up
exports are down
imports are up
the country is less secure
we have less rights
crime is up
soldiers are dying in a war with no cause or exit strategy and costing us billions $'s that we don't have.

if this is a better economy, give me the bad

+5 Truth

I still can't stomach that much money for a console. If it was $300-350, I could see it (for the cheaper ver) but $400 is past my upper limit for this unit. I mean, yeah, it does play blu-ray, unlike the 360 and its inability to play hd-dvd natively, but that's kind of a "woopdie doo" type thing for me, because I personally prefer the hd-dvd format ... mostly b/c it doesn't have ties to sony.

I would like a ps3 for a few games, but for $400 I can wait til they go down a bit in price, honestly.

kinda funny, thats why i prefer hd-dvd!

That's just a bonus.

I prefer it, because it's interactivity isn't half-assed. This is something that BR has been playing catch-up with since day one.

Yes, thats true too!

Good. I'm glad to see Sony actually marketing the PS3 properly, showing games, and not just some stupid animation.

Hey Joey / Dave,

I was wondering why you are reviewing products on cnet you don't even own? You gave every HD-DVD player a score of 1 but all BD players a 10 out of 10.

Are you that big of a loser? I guess you are.

If anyone is bored Google "cnet DaveBG"

ROFL! What a tool!

What a loser. More like an A-hole.

Wow, now thats just sad and pathetic Joey/Dave.

:p

...jerk.

That's hilarious! Thanks.

"The last month has brought a bewildering array of announcements from Sony, [...] whose intended effect seems to be to make both developers and users aware that it's no longer treating its competition so lightly."

No s**t, eh? What ever happened to 'next generation gaming begins when we say it begins' ? Sony is not so c*cky now. Even their ads for the PS3 are utter crap. I keep seeing the same 'clip show' style ad over and over. The one where they show a bunch of 2 second clips for several different games, topping it off with 5 second clip from Heavenly Sword (gag!) that looks like it's running at 12 fps. Recently I noticed this ad has been updated to say "Starting at $399" at the end. Yeah, like that's gonna move more units.

"The worst time has passed. Now, Sony is going to do better. Demand for the PS3 is picking up. That should be true in Japan as well as in Europe and the US,"

Say what? More like.. the guys who could afford the PS3 in the first place already bought one. The others who couldn't afford it, bought an Xbox360 instead. The rest, the real cheap skates and low income people, bought a Wii.

"Cai doesn't regard Nintendo's Wii as belonging in the same product category as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3."

I smell a Sony shill. Only a hardcore Sony shill would make such a statement. Using the same logic, we could argue that the PS3 doesn't belong in the same product category as the Xbox 360 either. It's for yuppies and rich kids with money to throw out the window. Seriously, no matter how you look at it, a gaming console should NOT cost $500 and up. I remember back when I got my SNES for Christmas, it was $189 and came with Super Mario World. Now THAT was a good deal. The average kid wants a cheap gaming system with good games, not a super computer that costs his parents a whole week's pay.

Enderle is a Microsoft shill. This is a well known fact in the investor community. It is why no one takes him seriously. He has been saying that Apple is dead for 6 years now.

Dial back his comments about 50% and they would be close - but his hyperbole makes him useless and that is why he is not employed/self-employed.

"But the PC platforms are much easier to upgrade," Cai observed. "It doesn't take long for a game console to get outdated."

wrong!! PC's get outdated yearly!! I JUST built a PC in march played all my games and newer games PERFECT....then, crysis, gears of war, quakewars, etc. come out in october/november and Bamm!!! I have to buy a new mobo inorder to have dx10!!

so i bought a ps3 last night after 5 years of PC gaming :-( ps3 will play great games for the next few years and i dont have to update anything!!!

Can you upgrade your ps3?

Didnt think so :)

New mobo: $100

New PS4: $1500

Watching people totally fail at logic? Priceless.

If you bought in March this year then your story is bulls***, or you didn't buy a gaming machine originally. If you're talking March 2006... maybe. Even then, you could still play all the current games on your 7900 - I know I am (COD4 runs in the 40-50fps range at 1600x1200). Sure I don't have DX10, but DX10 isn't much better anyway (yet). It's also bulls*** you need a new motherboard - anything purchased in March this year or last would be PCI-E, so you just need a new graphics card.

But hey, if you bought a PS3 last year, it still wouldn't be playing DX10. And won't. Ever.

So how about you get your facts straight next time? Or was it March 2005? :p

hate to tell you but if you just built your pc in march, you obviously bought P.O.S. parts.

Yes yes, very nice. lol

people... my PC rocks! it just plays Gears of war, crysis like sh1t!! thats the sign its become outdated..

yes, i bought a crappy mobo w/ AGP.. thats my issue, then i would have to update my mobo, new memmory, etc.

blah..

now my ps3 is part of my PC i have it networked to share media files... :-)

An AGP board in March of 2007!??!?!?!?! Wow. Who makes those still? Let me guess, you are trying to game on Intel integrated graphics?

I'm using a 2 year old Asus A8N32-SLI board, a Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 3800+, 2 GB DDR400, and a GeForce 7900 GT.

Crysis runs fine... and you do not need DirectX 10 to enjoy it. The game supports DirectX 9 also.

PC platforms are much easier to upgrade if you put more long-term forethought into your initial hardware purchases.

It's probably better than your Apple Mac$.

Off Topic:

Everyone have a happy and safe Thanksgiving.

Thanks. To you and yours as well. :)

Thank you and you and yours do the same.

Mine went well. Hope everyone else's did too.

Wow... Jacqueline Emigh.... I'm at a lose for words. I think I love you. (kidding… and welcome to Beta”News”).

Good story. This is what I'm talking about. This is in no way a positive spin story or a bash story for Sony. It's facts, annalist’s opinions, and predictions from both sides. Some say its too late, some say its just getting started. It’s neutral.

Now why can't other "journalists" do this?

In the end I'm sure the PS3 will hold up to it's name. All it needs is good, exclusive content, which is on the way.

Sony's PS3 price reductions have come at a cost. The new hardware lacks backwards compatibility as well as the ability to play Super Audio CDs. Most people might not care about these, but I'm glad I purchased my 60GB model a while back.

It's highly unlikely you'll see any exclusives that would be very big. Unless Sony pays you a boatload of money to make the game exclusive, it just makes no business sense to put out an exclusive based on how small Sony's market share is.

I can see Sony keeping up in the end, but that wont be until next year when their big hit exclusives are released. I just hope I can still find a 60 gig PS3, otherwise I think I'm completely out with Sony for this generation.

http://vgstrategies.abou...s/a/PS3HDDDriveSwap.htm

enjoy!!

that what i'll be doing with my new $399 40gig

160gig beats 60 lol

Um.. I could have 20 gigs on the PS3, I can care less about the storage space. My concern is the lack of backwards compatibility.

Cai also pointed to some advantages of the PS3 over the Xbox 360. "The video resolution on the PS3 is much better," he said.

Hmm thats funny last time I checked 1080p=1080p. Must be nice to be an analyst. You don't even haft to have a clue what you are talking about and you still get paid.

The numbers from last week do not look too good for Sony...

http://www.vgchartz.com/

The Wii is _way_ ahead of both M$ and Sony.

OMG look...you replaced the S in MS with a $!! That's so creative and original, and at the same time doesn't show any bias!!!! You're a genius!

I know right. I have never seen that before!!! It is insane how clever he is at times.

What gets me is that he doesn't write $ony, because as we all know Sony doesn't care about making a profit. Only Microsoft does.

Either way it's really old and automatically marks him as being retarded.

The PC market is _way_ ahead of people that own Mac$. Things arn't looking too good for Apple.

Sony wishes they made profits like Microsoft.

Like the $8Billion Xbox loss..

Hands up who has never made a cent from gaming division.. (OK Microsoft, you can put your lone hand back down now).

The facts say different. Apple is making record profits. The iPhone, iPod, and Mac lines are selling in record numbers. Take a look at Apple stock lately? lol.

Sony loses how much money each time they sell a PS3? And Sony can not make money unless they sell software. Developers are not going to make software for the 3rd place console. The PS3 is still in 3rd place in worldwide hardware sales, and _way_ back in software sales

Sorry PS3 fanboi...the PS3 is _way_ behind in the console competition.

The PS3 continues to outsell the Wii and 360 in Japan and Europe.

Man you are incredibly stupid.

But pitdingo, sales=quality, so obviously, the Mac sucks. ;)

Unless you're trying to tell us that no-one buys it because it's not marketed well....that would just be silly.

Don't you love having your own flawed logic thrown back at you?

And worldwide, the Wii is outselling both consoles.

your post makes zero sense. i am trying to follow you here...

.....??????!!!!!

How much does a PS3 cost in parts vs how much they sell them for? Last I heard, Sony was in the hole just as bad.

PS- $8bil is a new one ... where'd you get that figure from? (Honest question)

The Wii and 360 continue to outsell the PS3 worldwide so what is your point?

He is using the same logic that you have been using. Guess you are saying your own logic doesn't make sense.

Thank you for chiming in but most of do not really care that the Wii is outselling. I know you have a job to do and that is pormote your product so please move along.

I am impressed you had a post with no M$ in it.

The only one that fails to see the broken logic is pit himself.

Where did you get 8 billion loss? last I heard it was 1 billion vs 4 billion gain for the gaming division.

i think you drank too much today or something. You are posting under multiple accounts and talking about Apple. What does Apple have to do with this conversation?

By pitdingo:

No one buys the M$ Zune in any flavor...why would you when you can get the better package in the iPod?

That help break it down for you, imbecile?

Sorry, no-one's going to take a damn thing you post here seriously. Ever.

It's quite simple:

To you:

No one buys the M$ Zune in any flavor...why would you when you can get the better package in the iPod?

...makes sense. (More sales = better product)

To the rest of us, it just proves what we've really known all along. You're a complete idiot. :)

The rest of us know it never really quite works out that way. If it did, your favorite OS would be Windows.

Have a nice Holiday.

It simply, from the quote above, proves your complete and utter lack of anything resembling credibility.

You're asinine insistence in the previous threads that "Sales=Quality" without exception, is probably the absolute dumbest thing anyone barring zridling has ever posted in this forum.

As for multiple accounts... Sorry. Only need the one to point out your annoyingly consistent stupidity.

You are from America? Black and White? Pointless generalizations? Apples to Oranges comparisons?

PC_Tool, you make zero sense. Everyone laughs at your posts and no one takes you seriously. How many times are you made a complete fool of, just like now?

"Everyone laughs at your posts and no one takes you seriously."

OMG!!! I haven't laughed that hard at one of your post in a LONG time!!! Where you talking to yourself when you said that?

Hmm that is funny I didn't mention Apple anywhere in my post. Oh and I have better things to do than create multiple accounts to support a company that I have no binding to what so ever.

Gotta love a guy like that. Criticisms, insults, all roll off without the slightest effort.

This is actually a good thing in his case, though not in quite the way most folks would want it to be: in his case, massive Ego + massive stupidity = pure comic gold.

Hey, man:

You're the one who made the "pointless generalization". I'm just reveling in the stupidity of it. :)

Don't whine to me about it...Joey brought it up in the first place.

You obviously do not even understand what those two words mean.

Everyone is laughing at you! Including me. LOL! Which username are you going to reply under this time?

Huh? Again...you take one point i made and have generalized it to apply to everything. Dude, you really do not have a clue.

But you are a troll, so what would anyone expect?

Eveyone is laughing at you btw!

...'continues to outsell the Wii and 360 in Japan..."

For the record, the PS3 has outsold the Wii for exactly 2 weeks in a row (with the 40gb helping the cause).

From ripten.com (via ps3scene.com):
PS3: 53,000
Wii: 36,000

When this has happened for a month straight, the word 'continues' will be appropriate. Until then, it's just 'for 2 weeks in a row'.

I think he was talking about himself. Its so funny!!!!

And your not a TROLL????

LOL, I relized that awhile ago!

"Everyone is laughing at you!"

How ironic!

Hate to break it to you pit, but you are the one everyone is laughing at LMAO!!!

*grins*

The point you made was invalid...and you so vehemently defended it. Honestly, everyone here knows you're a troll, what did you expect?

This is great.

Dingo posts an example of absurd logic, gets called on it, and is now trying to diminish the focus on his stupidity by pitifully accusing me of posting with multiple accounts.

Sorry, bud. You can assume I have 300 of them, if you wish. All that makes me is a guy with a lot of alts, but you? You're still an idiot.

Boy you sure got that right!