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Journalist Shield Law Passes US House, President Threatens Veto

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

October 17, 2007, 10:56 AM

A bill intended to grant journalists the right to protect the identity of their sources when questioned in court passed the US House of Representatives yesterday, by a vote of 398 to 21. The version as passed contained much clarified language, closing a legal loophole that might have enabled courts to compel journalists to divulge their sources anyway.

But another late addition to the House version of the Free Flow of Information Act altered the extent of its coverage to professional journalists only - specifically, those who make money. Specifically, it narrowed the scope of protection to "a person who, for financial gain or livelihood, is engaged in journalism and includes a supervisor, employer, parent, subsidiary, or affiliate of such covered person."

Thus a blogger who is a non-professional and happens to have gathered information that may be of the public interest may be compelled to disclose her sources without a judge needing to provide a compelling reason. The concession may have been granted in response to requests from the Bush administration for fine-tuning. Another such concession included an exception to persons covered by this protection, involving foreign agents or individuals associated with known terrorists.

The clearest, and perhaps most welcome, clarification came as a rewording of the test a judge would have to consider when deciding whether a journalist can be compelled to divulge information. As it stands now, the FFI bill does not grant complete privilege between journalists and their sources, as currently exists in the law between attorneys and their clients or defendants and their spouses. A judge may decide whether the public interest of the country outweighs the private interest of the journalist witness.

That rewording comes in the final criterion of the bill's list, so it now states that a court cannot compel a journalist to divulge sources unless the judge decides "that the public interest in compelling disclosure of the information or document involved outweighs the public interest in gathering or disseminating news or information." An earlier draft would have allowed a judge to declare that non-disclosure was against the public interest, which is a far easier legal test; here, the weight of competing interests is clearly specified, forcing a judge to address them both in his or her decision.

The Senate version of the FFI bill passed the Judiciary Committee two weeks ago, and has yet to come up for a floor vote.

But President Bush may still be urged to veto the legislation if and when it emerges from conference committee and passes both houses of Congress. As reported late yesterday in Broadcasting & Cable, Rep. Lamar Smith (R - Texas) told reporters he had been in contact with senior administration officials, who say Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell is among those who remain critical of the legislation, along with Justice Dept. officials who say the bill still would restrict their ability to carry out federal prosecutions.

While the extremely lopsided vote in the House suggests enough support there to override a presidential veto, a huge hurdle may remain in the Senate, where 66 votes or more would need to be assembled. Though Republicans there have voiced support for the bill, they may still be unwilling to side against the President, regardless of his recent record low approval ratings.

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By tomfromblink1822

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 12:13 PM

BUCK FUSH. I agree, US needs Universal Health Care

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 22, 2007 - 9:35 AM

Bull.

America develops most of the drugs the rest of the world uses. Guess what? Who's going to do that when there is no longer any money in it for them? When it's all run by the government?

You want a global medical catastrophe? Bring the US under socialized healthcare. In 10 years, I'd wager half of the current world population would be dead.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 12:59 PM

Yes we all want to pay to keep classy guys like you healthy.

How did we get from immunity for journalists to Socialism?

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 23, 2007 - 2:21 PM

sjc001.

He throws his socialist BS around like monkeys throw **it.

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By sjc001

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 3:19 PM

Its just like the Bush admin to want to limit everyone's rights and freedoms. He just recently took health care away from children to save money while wasting billions on a lost war.

When the democrats are in people get more rights and freedoms, while the republicans take them away when they get into power.....

Bush had the nerve to say that the democrat congress hasn't passed anything important since they took over. There is a good reason for that, Bush abuses his veto power to stop everything they want to pass, even when other republicans agree with them.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 3:41 PM

Durrrr....

The Congress is majority Dem now, bud. Bush had little to do with this.

He just recently took health care away from children to save money while wasting billions on a lost war.

He offered to raise it, but the dems wanted more, and they wanted to raise the cap so people making over $87,000 could get into it. If you don't see it as de-facto socialized healthcare, you're blind.

Bush had the nerve to say that the democrat congress hasn't passed anything important since they took over. There is a good reason for that, Bush abuses his veto power to stop everything they want to pass, even when other republicans agree with them.

...and what's congress tried to do? Oh yeah, unconstitutionally attempt control military actions (solely the power of the executive branch, not the legislative), malign the general (and then accuse Rush of maligning the troops), put together asinine funding bills with a bunch of crap they *know* will get it vetoed (so they can say it's all Bush's fault)...and oh yeah, they raised the minimum wage.

Whoopie! One doesn't have to wonder why they have an 11% approval rating. They have used almost an entire year in office to do nothing but smear the current administration and attempt to ensure utter failure of it's policies.

As for abusing veto power, there's no such thing. Congress, if they actually wanted to, could ram it through after veto. That's the point, though, isn't it? They don't want any of it to actually pass. Why should they? They can stymie the entire country and blame it all on Bush.

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By sjc001

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 4:13 PM

Actually, Bush's incompetence had everything to do with congress going democrat.

ALL children should be covered the same no matter their social level. In fact the US should adopt a UHC plan just like up here in Canada. It works and costs far less per capita than the current failure of a profit motive system in America does. America is the ONLY Western nation NOT to have it and thus America also ranks the lowest in many aspects that have to do with quality of life as well. But I don't expect a libertopian to understand this.

Bush has abused his veto power more than ANY president in history.

I think that the Bush admin is doing a fine job of ruining themselves without any help from the democrats.

They need a super majority to bypass a presidential veto.

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By horsecharles

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 9:55 PM

Sorry, i've seen the quality & promptness of your healthcare... and i pass. And a lot of your compatriots feel likewise, taking 'medical vacations' to the States for serious treatment.

And make sure you thank us for developing the drugs that you patent-infinge upon up there, under the guise of affordability.

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By SGD

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 9:38 AM

Very well said.

I was going to comment on the health vacations. I will also pass on the high tax too.

His words are spoken like your typical dem-socialist. If they have there way I will go to work to pay my taxes then if I am lucky a little something extra for myself. Opps I need to give away more money if I can buy myself something extra!

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 4:40 PM

Actually, Bush's incompetence had everything to do with congress going democrat.

No, that was the media. It's also not relevant to your claim that Bush is responsible for the Shield Law. Nice straw-man.

ALL children should be covered the same no matter their social level. In fact the US should adopt a UHC plan just like up here in Canada.

Sorry. Quality of Life != Healthcare. The two are only loosely related. American Healthcare is the reason people come here from nearly every other country in the world when confronted with catastrophic illness.

Bush has abused his veto power more than ANY president in history.[/u]

Using a power granted by Constitution != abuse. Quit lying.

[i]I think that the Bush admin is doing a fine job of ruining themselves without any help from the democrats.


Of course. You get all your information from MSNBC and the liberal rags. I wouldn't expect any less from someone who claimed the Shield Law was something Bush did.

They need a super majority to bypass a presidential veto.

2/3rds is hardly "super". If so many republicans, as you yourself state are voting for this stuff, it shouldn't be a problem, should it?

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By SGD

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 9:41 AM

The media has been really pushing free speech when they report news that is a false. A person has to defend himself or herself from false reports but hey its the media so it has to be true. Ethics in journalism is thing of the past sad but true.

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By sjc001

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 4:56 PM

What Shield Law?

"Sorry. Quality of Life != Healthcare. The two are only loosely related."

Actually they are very closely related.

"American Healthcare is the reason people come here from nearly every other country in the world when confronted with catastrophic illness."

America has the best healthcare that money can buy. That's the problem, no one can afford it anymore. The leading cause of bankruptcy in America are medical bills. This adversely affects a majority of all Americans and is growing fast.

And as to your comment, that is a myth. Any truly serious and life threatening condition gets treated right away.

Is it any wonder that every libertopian that I've ever come across has also been an economic sociopath. [rolleyes]

"Using a power granted by Constitution != abuse. Quit lying."

But never meant to be used like this. Hence the abuse. It is meant to be used sparingly. I wonder how many stamps he;s worn out so far. As for lying I leave that up to those like you.

"Of course. You get all your information from MSNBC and the liberal rags."

Nope. I don't watch any such thing. Though, they would be far more honest than FauxNews and that drug addict hypocrite Rush Limpburger.

"I wouldn't expect any less from someone who claimed the Shield Law was something Bush did."

Where did I say that? You off too lala land again?

"2/3rds is hardly "super"."

51% is a simple majority, 2/3rds is a super majority.

"If so many republicans, as you yourself state are voting for this stuff, it shouldn't be a problem, should it?"

There are, but not enough.

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By PC_Tool

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 5:12 PM

What Shield Law?

Proof you didn't even read the article.

Title of article (since you missed it)

Journalist Shield Law Passes US House, President Threatens Veto

You read 'US House, President threatens Veto' and just jumped right on the Liberal Anti-Bush train. I can't believe I fell for it.

Pretty much makes everything else you have to say pointless. I didn't realize it was just a flat out troll.

See ya.

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By sjc001

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 5:44 PM

You know, its because of people like you that I feel sorry for America. In fact an increasing number around the world are feeling sorry for America more than anything else. All because America is being crippled by your way of thinking.

Which do you think is worse? Being hated, or being pitied?

I still didn't say that Bush was responsible for this Shield Law. I did say that he wants to block it. Republicans take away rights and freedoms when they get enough power. [rolleyes]

Did you know that the USA ranks around the mid 30's in providing of health care? Just slightly better than Cuba. Though, Cuba IS a third world country and thus can't afford the latest treatments, nor the most modern medical equipment, but they still provide better care for the average Cuban than the average American can get.

Whats America's excuse for being ranked so poorly?

From all of your posts on here it turns out that you have more than proven that you are actually the troll.

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By PC_Tool

edited Oct 23, 2007 - 12:12 PM

General healthcare is a rating slanted to social healthcare because it depends largely on the number of visits...necessary or not, not on the general health of the populace.

...and how are we ranked in terms of care for the catastrophic injuries or illnesses?

How do we rate in the creation and production of new equipment, new drugs, and new techniques for the treating of these illnesses and injuries?

I'll give you a hint: #1 in both.

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By SGD

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 9:46 AM

You are right America is hated that is why so many people want to able to live here. I don' see people flooding the boarders of Canada wanting citizenship. What do you have to offer there let me see, socialism, crazy tax rates that is enough for me.

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By PC_Tool

edited Oct 17, 2007 - 7:12 PM

What Shield Law?

lmao...

and then you respond with:

I still didn't say that Bush was responsible for this Shield Law. I did say that he wants to block it.

Of course you didn't say he was responsible, you didn't even know it was the topic of the article.

You're so full of it that even I am amazed...

Keep digging, man. It's fun to watch people like you defend themselves after they've been busted for being absolutely clueless about the actual topic of the forum.

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By horsecharles

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 10:01 PM

She needs a couple of things:

A. To enroll in charm school.

B. To request some psychiatric sessions... they will be 'free' after all-- although the long wait list may mean the treatment won't arrive until way too late.

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By justinian5732

edited Oct 18, 2007 - 1:50 PM

You know, I'm no Bush defender, but I will say this whole bit about him abusing his veto power is bull; please direct your attention to: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html

You'll notice that GWB has used his veto power a total of 4 times so far in two terms; the beloved Bill Clinton (of continuing infamy) used his a total of 37 times in two terms. Abuse of veto power? No.

GWB and the Neocons being idiots, OK. Bad American foreign policy? I'll give you. But this is a basic fact, and cannot be argued. Four is less than thirty-seven, and comes no where close to FDR (another democrat!) and his 635.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 12:59 PM

It shouldn't matter what your job is or what you call yourself, if you have knowledge of a crime and refuse to testify that is obstruction of justice.

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By morriscox

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 8:08 PM

Incorrect. I used to relay calls for the deaf and hard of hearing. Anything that we learned during a call was strictly confidential. As long as we didn't say anything, we were protected under the law and could not be subpoenaed, questioned, etc. However, if we did say anything, we would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. By the way, all this was setup by Congress.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 9:53 PM

Do you have a personal limit? If you knew the deaf mafia was going to kill someone and you could prevent it would you choose to save a life or hide behind the law?

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By streryan

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 11:28 AM

What does this have to do with Betanews?

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By horsecharles

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 12:01 PM

betaNEWS....JOURNALIST shield law-- couldn't be any more obvious...

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By SMFulton3

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 11:55 AM

Well, that's always a good question. I'll explain: The FFI bill concerns the extent to which legal protection applies to all forms of journalists, including digital journalists. As you'll find by perusing the history of this story (always be sure to click the links), the legal status of bloggers has been called into question. And bloggers are a huge part of the digital information industry. So it has everything to do with BetaNews.

-SF3

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